Philosophy

[Anonymous No.14366400]

I would like to get into Philosophy, so I was wondering if anyone here had a concise timeline / roadmap for me to follow, start with the greeks to present day, with 1-3 books per period/idea
Or something like that?

[Anonymous No.14366420]

Just read Plato. Everything's there.

[Anonymous No.14366425]

>no deleuze and whitehead on chart

Into the trash it goes

[Anonymous No.14366428]

>>14366400
Find an university's Philosophy curriculum and class syllabus then read the required books. Ideally you should begin with Plato since he is very heavily referenced. If you are doing it for personal enjoyment and not for academic reasons you don't need to constrain to a linear or historical pathway. Forcing yourself to read things you don't want to or are not ready to read is a good way to wind up reviling philosophy.
You could also listen to the History of Philosophy podcast from the very start and read the referenced works if they pique your interest.

Hope that helps!

[Anonymous No.14366431]

>>14366425
give me a better one

[Anonymous No.14366455]

>>14366428
>If you are doing it for personal enjoyment and not for academic reasons you don't need to constrain to a linear or historical pathway. Forcing yourself to read things you don't want to or are not ready to read is a good way to wind up reviling philosophy.

that's a fair point, i was just hoping to see how the ideas develop and to have some historic context for everything etc

[Anonymous No.14366475]

>>14366425
sorry sweetheart, but nobody outside of the contrarians on /lit/ actually takes either of them seriously

[Anonymous No.14366489]

https://docs.google.com/document/u/1/d/1y8_RRaZW5X3xwztjZ4p0XeRplqebYwpmuNNpaN_TkgM/pub

This is what you're looking for

[Anonymous No.14366499]

>>14366489
this is almost exactly what i'm looking for, except for one small detail:
>concise

[Anonymous No.14366522]

>>14366400
Philosophy for the Greeks (and Roman) had a different meaning than it did for philosophers in later periods.

[Anonymous No.14366531]

>>14366522
my willy gets big when thinking about wisdow does that count??

[Anonymous No.14366697]

You could try History of Western Philosophy by Russell, to get a taste, and proceed from there to what piques your interest.

[Anonymous No.14366713]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9GwT4_YRZdBf9nIUHs0zjrnUVl-KBNSM

[Anonymous No.14366846]

>>14366697
That book is largely shat on by philosophers, a very poor place to start

[Anonymous No.14366891]

>>14366425
It's a really really bad chart. It's been posted before. It leaves out a lot of philosophers who are more relevant than a lot of philosophers and 'philosophers' included in the chart. In fairness though, Deleuze is on the chart.
>>14366431
There isn't one. Someone like me would have to make it but I couldn't do it justice.
>>14366400
I'll try. Note I haven't read everything on this fully myself but I know about most of the remaining stuff by secondary literature or lessons from professors who know this stuff well.
I. Antiquity
1. Presocratics Reader (Curd, second edition)
2. Plato: The Complete Works (Cooper), read AT LEAST the following dialogues in full: Euthyphro, Apology, Crito, Phaedo, Meno. Then the Republic.
3. The Basic Works of Aristotle (unless you want the two volume Complete Works). At the very least read the Organon, Physics, Metaphysics, Ethics. Secondary but still strongly suggested: On the Heavens, On Generation and Corruption, On the Soul. The Basic Works of Aristotle leaves out some bits though it has most main works complete. Honestly you'll be fine but make your choice.
4. Epicurus, Letters (and probably the rest of what's available in fragment form)
5. Optional: The Hellenistic Philosophers Vol. 1 (Long/Sedley). You can learn some of the metaphysics (and other ideas) of the Stoics, Epicureans, Skeptics here. But it's mostly fragments (and Epicurus appears here in scattered topical form).
6. Epictetus, Enchiridion and Marcus Aurelius, Meditations (Stoic philosophy of life)
7. Sextus Empiricus, Outlines of Pyrrhonism
8. Now go back to Plato and meditate on Republic VI 509b. Then read the Parmenides, Sophist, Timaeus. This is the later Plato, and we read him here because it's the setup to Neoplatonism and best placed here.
9. Plotinus, The Enneads (if you're brave)
10. Optional: Proclus, Elements of Theology
II. Christian/Medieval
1. Augustine, The Confessions and City of God
2. Optional: Pseudo-Dionysus, Mystical Theology (helps as a continuation of Neoplatonism apophatic theology)
3. Optional: Boethius, The Consolation of Philosophy
4. Anselm, Proslogion (at least know the ontological argument, and maybe also know Gaunilo's response to it)
5. Aquinas, Summa Theologica (if you're brave)
6. Optional: Scotus, Ordinatio
III. Early Modern
1. Descartes, Meditations (optional: Discourse on Method)
2. Spinoza, Ethics
3. Leibniz, Monadology
4. Locke, Essay Concerning Human Understanding
5. Berkeley, Treatise Concerning the Principles of Human Knowledge
6. Hume, either Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding (introductory, short), or Treatise of Human Nature (long but better; recommended read eventually)
7. Kant, either Prolegomenna and Groundwork (introductory and short), or Critique of Pure Reason (recommended) and Critique of Practical Reason (optional). I recommend First Critique (if you're brave) + Groundwork combo.
8. Polphil: Hobbes, Leviathan, then Locke's Two Treatises, Rousseau, The Social Contract.
[TBC]

[Anonymous No.14366901]

>>14366891
WHERE HEGEL

[Anonymous No.14366963]

IV. Post-Kantianism and German Idealism
1. Optional: Between Kant and Hegel (di Giovanni/Harris)
2. Optional: Holderlin, Judgment and Being (it's 2 pages)
3. Fichte, Science of Knowledge (optional: Foundations of Natural Right)
4. Optional: Go back to Kant and now read the Third Critique.
5. Schelling, System of Transcendental Idealism, and the 'Freedom' Essay
6. Hegel, Phenomenology of Spirit (if you're brave). Optional: Science of Logic (recommended, if you're brave), Philosophy of Right
7. Schopenhauer, World as Will and Representation (optional: Fourfold Root of the principle of Sufficient Reason)
V. Young Hegelians and Marxism
1. Stirner, Ego and Its Own
2. Marx, at least read the Communist Manifesto as introduction. For real meat, go as follows: Philosophic and Economic Manuscripts of 1844, then German Ideology, then Capital vol. 1 (for the brave), then Critique of the Gotha Program.
3. Engels, Socialism Utopian and Scientific
VI. 19th Century Philosophy of Life and Ethics
1. Mill, Utilitarianism and On Liberty
2. Emerson, Nature, and probably the Essays.
3. Kierkegaard, Either/Or, Fear and Trembling
4. Nietzsche, Gay Science, Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Beyond Good and Evil, Genealogy of Morals, probably other stuff

[Anonymous No.14366982]

This should go without saying, but read a shitload of secondary literature when tackling a new philosopher, and reread when you don't understand.

[Anonymous No.14366993]

Pier Hadot's What Is Ancient Philosophy? and Philosophy as a Way of Life are a good place to start.

[Anonymous No.14367688]

>>14366400
who tf has got time for that shit? just read what you want

[Anonymous No.14367726]

>>14366400
Go to your local college and talk to someone who's worked in the field for over a decade. This place is not real and you can't survive it.

[Anonymous No.14367887]

>>14366982
>read a shitload of secondary literature
Only if you're a brainlet

[Anonymous No.14367970]

>>14366891
>>14366963
thank you for your effort anon, I will definitely check these out

[Anonymous No.14368857]

>>14367970
I'll give you the extra easy basics rundown: skip anything tagged as "if you're brave," skip anything that's optional, pick short versions over long versions when you can, and skip I.8 and maybe all of IV as well. The remainder is easy enough. Then go back and explore what you missed, if you feel interested and ready. This is just so you don't feel like you need to give up. You'll learn a lot even with those omissions.

[Anonymous No.14368866]

>>14367970
>>14368857
Also, there's a Marx and Engels Reader so you can use it to read just the parts of 1844, German Ideology, and Capital in there + read Gotha. I'm sure there are similar readers on other philosophers. For example, If you can find one on German Idealism (Fichte, Schelling, mainly Hegel) that could be easier than diving into them right away. You can always read the full works when you're ready/if you're interested.