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I would be a Christian if it wasn't for this fucker. This fucker right here. He remains unrefuted and that fact alone drives me to Nietzschean philosophy. How is it possible to be a Thomist when Kantianism still remains unrefuted? Kant literally ripped Thomism inside out and no one is addressing this. I cannot find a single refutation of Kantianism from a Thomistic point of view! There is no truth! Nietzsche is right, there is no truth! Kant demonstrates this for me. There is no truth. Philosophy is a paganistic power ritual where each philosophy tries to become the top dog. There is no truth. Kant proves this. It's over.

>> No.14365521

There is a whole tradition of "transcendental Thomists."

>> No.14365527

>>14365461
>there is no truth
is that true?

>> No.14365531

>>14365461
Ok hylic

>> No.14365539
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14365539

I mean, we do reach the things in themselves according to Kant's moral framework. So there is truth in that sense.

What's the difference in believing in God according to a pure reason hardcore deductive proof and believing in God because your practical reason postulates it?

>> No.14365546

>>14365539
because the first vatican counsel says that god can be known through pure reason alone and catholicism is the only correct christian denom

>> No.14365572

>>14365461
Just be a gnostic

>> No.14365833

>>14365461
Nietzsche literally accused Kant of having "theologian's blood" and being a crypto-Christian

>> No.14365862

>>14365833
I know. My point is that he destroyed rationality to shill his lutheran and fideist autism. My point here is that since lutheran and fideism are clearly retarded, there is no point to be a Christian. Catholic rationality is the only reason, and he killed it. Lutheranism is german niggery.

>> No.14365895

>>14365461
You can escape this by literally fusing together, appreciating both Aquinas AND Kantian metaphysics. It is called Transcendental Thomism.
Karl Rahner is famous for this. To start with him, read Content of Faith. It is collected works.

>> No.14365916

>>14365461
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/131768.Foundations_of_Christian_Faith
This is his introduction, aka magnum opus(same story as Summa theologica and The Epistle to the Romans by Karl Barth) of his philosophy, so you should be prepared for substantial knowledge related to a book, especially Heidegger's existentialism.

>> No.14365941

>>14365461
If you want to see the biggest appropriation, see this Catholic theology :
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/moth.12463
This guy is Karl Rahner's friend BTW

>> No.14366021

>>14365461
>There is no truth. Kant proves this.
Try actually reading him, brainlet.

>> No.14366186

>>14365461
He didn't even address thomism he just attacked strawmen untill he mercifully di

>> No.14366649

>>14365461
Why must the human mind constantly search for the ultimate truth in science, literature, philosophy, politics, splitting the world apart only to put it back togethor in shambles.
That which made us whole we shall never forget, that which made man, clothed him, fed him. The truth of simplictiy in heart and mind.

>> No.14366683

>>14365461
Read Chesterton. Try Orthodoxy for Essays, Ball and Cross for fiction to start.

>> No.14366690

>>14365461
LOL your are decades behind buddy.
Kant has long been debunked by modern neuro science and Wilfrid Sellars eliminativism And its even worse not just the whole religous bullshit but also most of psychology and idenity is nothing but hot air.

>> No.14366699

>>14365546
>god can be known through pure reason alone
*the existence of *a* God
huge difference

>> No.14366706

>>14366690
>Kant has long been debunked by modern neuro science
citation needed

>> No.14366714

>>14365527
we can't be sure lol

>> No.14366725

>>14366714
are you sure about that?

>> No.14366784

>>14365895
>>14365862
Is this satire or actual christcuck cope?

>> No.14366790

>>14366690
>>14366706
Yeah i'm actually interested in this claim, where did you get this from?

>> No.14366819

>>14366790
https://books.google.de/books?id=4DkWDAAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=nihil+unbound&hl=de&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiW4qy1lb3mAhXsy6YKHfaNB8MQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=nihil%20unbound&f=false

>> No.14367174

Aaaaaand that's why rational theologies are debunked.

>> No.14367249

>>14366819
>>14366790
each claim about either strictly material realism or idealist realism hits its head against the unfalsifiable character of the supposed prime mover, metaphyiscal cause or lack of those.
Idealists follow the axiom of non-material inception whereas materialists are a bit more nuanced. The latter either accept a 'material' prime mover like Aristotle or if they don't, they try to sweep under the rug the infinite regression.
The more logical person follows Idealism. The modern take "dude neuroscience and quantum shit prove that we're totally unconscious puppets; like the spacetime fabric totally and randomly, while only being able to support exactly 1 possible course of events, came out to be exactly that one in which certain spacetime sub-structures (humans, for example) are capable of making complex statements about that very fabric of which they're part of, while also possesing a remarkable false sense of identity and consciousness" is flat-earth level in terms of retardation.

>> No.14367655

>>14367249
>Idealism
what kind of idealism
the Kant or the Kastrup kind (some strange kind of self referential materialism in the end?

>> No.14367877

>>14366690
This isn't true, I dont understand why anons post shit like this

>> No.14367902

>>14365461
And he himself was devoutly religious. Why, OP?

>> No.14367938

>>14367877
>This isn't true
LOL some refutation

>> No.14368003

>>14367938
first, there has to be something to refute. an assertion isn't an argument you fucking sped

>> No.14368023

>>14366725
Define "sure" and the domain of "that"

>> No.14368032

>actually believing a priori concepts have priority over pre-mediate aesthesis

jej

>> No.14368036

>>14368003
you peabrains don't even know what eliminativism is

>> No.14368037

>>14367877
It's retards pretending to hold the opposite view, then constructing a bad post in the hopes that other retards sharing their genuine views take the bait and beat up the strawman.

>> No.14368040

>>14368023
definitions will avail you nothing in the fiery place you are headed after death. accept Christ's saving grace NOW. with only five small payments of $139.99 you can have that saving grace, guaranteed. subscribe now by dialing the toll free number on your screen

>> No.14368062

>>14368036
>ill just throw out made up words with no context and laugh at YOU for my total lack of communication
>this is how i maintain my self esteem and stave off suicide for just a little longer
npc niggers

>> No.14368079

>>14365461
>there is no truth
>doesn't even try to explain what truth is
>what is DNA
this is just special ed kindergarten level retardation

don't you suppose that patterns in reality that are objectively recorded and objectively replicated in every life form might be worth considering as TRUE?

>> No.14368083

>>14368062
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/materialism-eliminative/
read up on it little girl

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14368114

What? Literally read critique of pure reason, hes retarded. his only argument is "i-it's trivial so it's not a proof!". He equates the Cosmological argument with the ontological argument and fails to understand both.

As soon as you realize concepts have an objective existence, you appreciate the beauty of mathematics, logic, theology, and philosophy.Once you realize god is real, you can look back at Kant and see that, in the hegelian sense, he was at a more primitive understanding of what conceptual reasoning is.

>> No.14368245

>>14368114
you do know Kant believed in God, right?

>> No.14368268

Lonergan

>> No.14368292

>>14368083
Automatically falsified by the fact that computation is the ultimate reality, and that all of physics is a subcategory of computation.
So long as there exists a computation of anything, it "exists", meaning it is "objectively real"

>> No.14368310

>>14368292
That is to say, EVEN IF you try to predicate the "Mental categories" of pain, love, ideas, etc. on a materialist foundation and then try to argue that they are therefor "not real", you are falsified, because the computation of anything is a constructive proof of it's objective existence.
Therefor, pain is real, as it is a computation, in the same way fusing hydrogen together to make helium is real, as it is also a computation.

>> No.14368431

>>14368245
that has nothing to do with validity of reason

>> No.14368529

>>14368292
>computation is the ultimate reality
what computes what ? reality itself ?
Like this crackpot Tegmark claims ?

>> No.14368615

>>14366714
Then you just defeated nihilism. Good job.

>> No.14368628

>>14365461
Has anyone refuted Dostoevsky? He’s the only reason why I LARP as a Christian and not a Nietzsche Ubermensch. Please show me who refutes him

>> No.14368629

>>14365461
>Kant literally ripped Thomism inside out
citation needed

>> No.14369765

>>14368628
This

>> No.14369817

>>14368628
He was retroactively refuted by Parmenides.

>> No.14370489

>>14365461
Kant nowhere says or implies that there is no truth, what he is criticizing is grand philosophical systems that purport to go beyond experience and prove the existence of god, the immortality of the soul and stuff like that. I don't know why you are confusing Kant with Nietzschean perspectivism. I want the shit you are smoking.

>> No.14370498

>>14368628
Give me your best Dostoevskian argument and I will tear it a new one just for you

>> No.14370507

>>14370498
belief not in God but in the meaning of His creation and His goodness cannot be reached through reason alone

>> No.14370519

>>14370507
I have no idea what is that supposed to mean, please drop the internevangelist larp and elaborate

>> No.14370579

>>14370519
read the Brothers Karamazov, specifically the Grand Inquisitor section and it will make sense

>> No.14370704

>>14368628
Jesus, who always emphasizes social inequality of roman society

>> No.14370848

>>14365539
>we do reach the things in themselves according to Kant's moral framework
no. a priori synthetic knowledge is still PHENOMENAL in his framework.