/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.14348883]

Are there any modern books that deal with an "incel"-type character?

The whole phenomenon really fascinates me, and although I'm not an incel myself (I have a girlfriend, etc), I'm actually writing a novel right now which is partly told through the eyes of an incel. So I want to make sure I get the character just right.

[Anonymous No.14348889]

houellebecq

[Anonymous No.14348890]

>>14348883
Houellebecq - Whatever.

[Anonymous No.14348897]

>>14348883
Reminder to ignore all pseudointellectual rhetoriticians and instead go and read the complete works of Homer, Pindar, Plato, Aristotle, Sophocles, Euripedes, Hesiod, Aristophones, Herodotus, Sappho, Plutarch, Ovid, Virgil, Lucretius, Arisoto, Horace, St. Augustine, Marcus Aurelius, Rabelais, Dante, Petrarch, Boccaccio, Leopardi, Machiavelli, Luther, Cervantes, Chaucer, the Beowulf poet, Chretien de Troyes, Marie de France, Sterne, Burton, Browne, Wyatt, Sidney, Percy Shelley, Tennyson, Donne, Pope, Dryden, Bacon, Novalis, Schelling, Schlegel, Hegel, Pascal, Lichtenberg, Dickinson, Shakespeare, Ibsen, Dickens, Marlowe, Diderot, Jonson, Goethe, Bunyan, Gibbon, Addison, Smollett, Milton, Johnson, Boswell, Emerson, Quincey, Burke, Spinoza, Leibniz, Hume, Kant, Mary Shelley, Wollstonecraft, Racine, Baudelaire, Valery, Rimbaud, Verlaine, Moliere, Montaigne, Browning, Gray, Holderlin, Schiller, Shaw, Voltaire, Hugo, Balzac, Zola, Colette, Duras, Dumas, Stendhal, Nerval, Flaubert, Mallarme, Malraux, Chateaubriand, Artaud, Poe, Wordsworth, Coleridge, Blake, Byron, Keats, Arnold, Pater, Walter Scott, Swinburne, Rossetti, Carroll, William James, Henry James, Hawthorne, Twain, Melville, Dewey, Bergson, Whitehead, George Eliot, Williams, Frost, Cummings, Crane, Stevens, Whitman, Plath, Trakl, Rilke, Celan, Montale, Neruda, Lorca, Tagore, Manzoni, Peake, Murdoch, Wharton, Wilde, Updike, Faulkner, O'Connor, Passos, Nietzsche, Marx, Adorno, Bloch, Lukacs, Bakhtin, Hamsun, Pushkin, Gogol, Tolstoy, Turgenev, Chekhov, Andreyev, Bely, Bulgakov, Gonchorov, Camoes, Pessoa, Queiroz, Saramago, Paz, Borges, Bloy, Pirandello, Huysmans, Lautreamont, Schwob, Casares, Bolano, Cortazar, Lima, Donoso, de Assis, Carpentjier, Celine, Marquez, Unamuno, Gracq, Gide, Jarry, Camus, Conrad, Wells, Hardy, Salinger, Lawrence, Forster, Hrabal, Swift, Bronte, Woolf, Bachelard, Roussel, Beckett, Proust, Nabokov, Joyce, O'Brien, Yeats, Waugh, Heaney, Auden, Hofmannsthal, Mann, Musil, Broch, Zweig, Bachmann, Jelinek, Lessing, Laxness, Simenon,Svevo, Levi, Buzzati, Quasimodo, Llosa, Walser, Kafka, Babel, Schulz, Transtromer, Kertesz, Pavic, Andric, Grossmann,Sillanpää, Linna, Mahfouz, Boll, Grass, Canetti, Pavese, Robbe-Grillet, Blanchot, Perec, Queneau, Calvino, Bernhard, Gass, Barth, Gaddis, Vollmann, Vidal, Hawkes, DeLillo, Pynchon, McCarthy, McElroy, Soseki, Murasaki, Shonagon, Kawabata, Mishima, Akutagawa, Tanizaki, Dazai, Oe, Xingjian, Yan, Kosztolanyi, Gombrowicz, Ishiguro, Eco, Coetzee, Auerbach, Benjamin, Barthes, Pasternak, Derrida, de Man, Kristeva, Deleuze, Bateson, Foucault, Lyotard, Mcluhan, Eichenbaum, Steiner, Munro, Carson, Handke, Theroux, Patrick White, Alfau, Marias, Enard, Claude Simon, Elizabeth Bishop, Markson, Lowry, Bellow, Dara.

[Anonymous No.14348923]

>>14348889
>>14348890
Thank you!

I've actually read Whatever / Extension, Platform, Submission, Elementary Particles, The Art of Struggle, Against The World Against Life. Might check out his other books too!

[Anonymous No.14348946]

>>14348923
Actually Notes from Underground protag falls pretty close to being incel.

[Anonymous No.14348971]

>>14348946
Thank you, and great recommendation! I have also read this already unfortunately. A really great read.

[Anonymous No.14349032]

whatever you do, don’t be fooled into thinking that the joker character is a true depiction of what it’s like to be an undesirable. the movie was written by wealthy, normal people to extract money from undesirables and the people who, like you, find them intriguing. that you see a movie like this one and resolve to build your own character after joaquin’s superficial hollywoodized “loser”, a character which itself exists as a link in a long chain of normies and “reporters” trying to tell a story to the normal public about why there are people who don’t belong and how psychologically corrupted they must be. how dark, tragic, romantic/repelling this character is, how ideal for my tragic hero! and so people who have no experience really not existing will continue to write story after story where the isolated anti-hero continually drifts into the realm of socially-useful cautionary trope, and further away from reflecting anything true or genuinely broken about our culture, or the people who are isolated within it.

write what you know.

[Anonymous No.14349043]

>>14348883
The stand by Stephen king has a character in it who is like an incel

[Anonymous No.14349058]

>>14348883
Loner =/= incel

[Anonymous No.14349059]

>>14349043
Thank you!

>>14349032
Okay thanks!

[Anonymous No.14349081]

>>14349043
>not Rage by Bachman
shame on you

[Anonymous No.14349088]

>>14348883
Keep the Aspidistra Flying

[Anonymous No.14349103]

>>14348883
Pic rel

[Anonymous No.14349104]

>>14349088
Thanks!

>>14349081
Have read this one, but thank you!

[Anonymous No.14349113]

>>14349032
You might want to watch the movie before you write an op-ed about it

[Anonymous No.14349118]

>>14349103
Thanks, have read this! Apparently it's out of print because of fears it would cause further school shootings after a school shooter was found to have read it.

[Anonymous No.14349132]

>>14348883
The Catcher in the Rye
The Sun Also Rises
Ham on Rye
Out Backward (or, if you're European, it's published as In God's Own Country)
Any of the various post-mo novels that fall under Tao Lin's banner of influence. Being honest, I don't find the "incel" movement interesting in the slightest. People whose lot in life is defined by their inability to partake in life doesn't yield confidence in their ability to write anything worthwhile. Great literature has often come from great spirits. Hope you find what you're looking for, OP.

[Anonymous No.14349135]

>>14349118
Yea but only in America. I was able to find online a new copy in Spanish! You should read The Tunnel by Ernesto Sabato. It's a short read. Not sure if the MC is an incel but he's def not fine in the head.

[Anonymous No.14349138]

>>14348883
>I'm actually writing a novel right now which is partly told through the eyes of an incel
What exactly do you mean by this?

[Anonymous No.14349142]

>>14349132
>The Catcher in the Rye
Holden literally rejects a prostitute. Incel =/= angsty teenager

[Anonymous No.14349154]

>>14349132
Thanks! Have been meaning to get around to The Sun Also Rises and I'll check out In God's Own Country.

>>14349135
I'll check out The Tunnel too, thank you!

>>14349138
I'm writing a novel right now which switches between a handful of characters, and of them is an incel!

[Anonymous No.14349166]

>>14349154
>I'm writing a novel right now which switches between a handful of characters, and of them is an incel!
That's not the part I didn't get
What I'm asking is: what exactly does "incel" mean to you?

[Anonymous No.14349186]

What do you mean "phenomenon"? As though long-term virgins never existed prior to the meme? As though some men never felt resentment towards women due to such a situation?

I'm confused.

[Anonymous No.14349195]

>>14349142
Incel is whatever the present speaker wishes for it to be, so far as I've seen, and though the term is coined primarily for its relation to sexual gratification, the mindset of 'incels,' marked supposedly by constant disaffection, resentment, anger against society and 'normies,' etc., is easily recognizable within the books I listed, Catcher included, even if the books don't deal exclusively in the topic. As I said and stand by above: the focus upon 'incels' seems driven by a monetary desire to hop on a trend rather than genuine interest. If it was the latter, I don't think anybody would ask for characters spefically meeting that criteria, because the manners and attitudes they evinced are easily witnessed in other works of literature. This isn't a slight against OP, btw; I just find the recent obsession over the topic to be driven by a desire to identify a new niche of humankind on which articles can written, ads marketed, products and novels sold, etc. It's nauseating.

[Anonymous No.14349197]

>>14349166
Basically I'm trying to tap into the whole "sexless millenials" thing that's going on, and developing a character who is a real lonely young white guy who basically obsesses over this girl he's never met, and who has never had sex or been in a romantic relationship. I feel like this type of person is becoming more prevalant in Western society, so I'm looking to get "inside the mind" of an incel in a way by doing some research and reading books about similar types of guys.

[Anonymous No.14349219]

>>14348883
Pic unrelated right? Joker is not an incel, he's a mentally ill person dealing with a shitty life perpetuated by a mentally ill parent and a uncaring society, but he's not some woman-hating incel

>>14349135
I read The Tunnel back in High School and it fucked me for life. Good recommendation.

[Anonymous No.14349230]

>>14349219
>Joker is not an incel
>he's a mentally ill person dealing with a shitty life perpetuated by a mentally ill parent and a uncaring society
uhhh? lol

[Anonymous No.14349233]

>>14349197
I advise against all of this. Using your abilities of imagination and empathy, create the character as you see him; base his own loneliness on loneliness you've felt in your own life. You'r writing as though people who fit that criteria are subject species and not human. It's how the 'incel' movement has been presented and it's false. They're lonely people, like you and me, unfortunately suffering a far more prolonged version of it. I also have a girlfriend, a good life, and friends to rely on. You implied that you do, as well. Don't you still have nights of longing and regret? Tap into that. Use the blood of your own humanity for inspiration, otherwise you'll pen yet another lame caricature. Good luck on your novel either way.

[Anonymous No.14349255]

>>14349230
Yeah, do you even know what incel is? Do you need an explanation? I'm not trying to be a smart-ass or an asshole here, just saying. being a sexless man is not the same as being an incel

[Anonymous No.14349257]

>>14349186
The trend of young white males being unable to find a sexual or romantic partner is growing rapidly however, so this type of character is more relatable than ever.

[Anonymous No.14349261]

>>14349255
>being a sexless man is not the same as being an incel
That's literally what an incel is.

[Anonymous No.14349273]

>>14349257
>white
Whites have pretty much the easiest time on the dating market

[Anonymous No.14349274]

>>14349233
Thank you, and yes I do have occasional nights like that and for a few months during my teenage years I remember a distinctly lonely period, which I still draw on when brainstorming things this character might say or do. I guess having a loving girlfriend does make it harder to "tap into" the incel mindset, so I'm having to rely on other books just to make sure I don't get it wrong. I've written a few pages of his opening chapter already so I may post them in another thread some day for critique!

[Anonymous No.14349280]

>>14348883
what does the joker have to do with inceldom?

[Anonymous No.14349285]

>>14349274
Why not post them now? Even if it's rough, you're anonymous, and there are already people in the thread debating what 'incel' even means. Just keep in mind: the same mindset that says whites can't write black characters or males write females is what will eventually transpire when self-appointed incels demand to be represented accurately in literature. It's a group of young men that has been identified, marketed toward, successfully galvanized, and given an identity on which to later profit. So be careful about "getting it wrong." It doesn't matter. Just write a good character.

If you'd like to post anything I'm happy to give some feedback.

[Anonymous No.14349290]

>>14349261
Not necessarily. Incel is wanting sex and not getting it, thus becoming "involuntary celibate" (which is an oxymoron because all celibacy is voluntary, but who cares).

[Anonymous No.14349292]

>>14349261
No, you're taking the definition of incel from the literal expansion of the word. "Involuntary Celibate" is not the whole meaning. Incels are very specific group of people, who blame society but more specifically women for their lack of sex life. Just take a look at r/incel or something (if that's subreddit is still alive)

[Anonymous No.14349297]

>>14349285
Incels aren't like those though. Most normies can realistically imagine what it's like to be black, female, etc. Nobody besides the sexless can even begin to comprehend what it's like to be a man in his late mid 20s and beyond who has never had a woman acknowledge him, let alone hold his hand. It's incomprehensible to normal people, which is why they're so frightened by it.

[Anonymous No.14349310]

>>14349292
No, you're the one using the definition that normies have been pushing. "Incel" was and is still used as a term for men who can't get sex. It's like a more aggressive and shameful form of virgin. It has nothing to do with ideology. There are violent and peaceful incels, Women hating and women worshipping incels exist as well.

[Anonymous No.14349312]

>>14349297
I'm going to respond to you by quoting what I just wrote to the OP.
>self-appointed incels demand to be represented accurately in literature. It's a group of young men that has been identified, marketed toward, successfully galvanized, and given an identity on which to later profit. So be careful about "getting it wrong.

You're wrong. It can be imagined, and already has been; the writer credited with pegging the movement prior to its acceleration in the mainstream is himself a guy who has sex.

[Anonymous No.14349327]

>>14349132
>The Sun Also Rises
I've just started reading this. Which character is incel?

[Anonymous No.14349339]

>>14349312
>the writer credited with pegging the movement prior to its acceleration in the mainstream is himself a guy who has sex
It started off with guys on the misc using it, some of who were incels themselves. It then spread to virgin communities on r*ddit and made its way over to 4chin. Some faggot writer didn't popularize the term.

[Anonymous No.14349343]

>>14349310
No, your definition is the original meaning, but it evolved into what I just described. This is not something to argue about, because hating women is literally all the r/incel community did. They may have started as a support group for suffering male virgins, but soon devolved into "womyn are trash" circlejerk, and anyone that joined that community would end up either leaving in disgust or being converted into their ideology, as you said. This wasn't exclusive to the subreddit, literally every other incel community turned into an ogre cave. No one that's an actual "Involuntary Celibate" would call himself incel these days, that's the bottom line.

[Anonymous No.14349348]

>>14349310
Nah, the term started online and obviously refers to the negative people. "Involuntary celibate" doesn't even make sens. It's an oxymoron. All celibacy is voluntary like definition. Think priesthood and nunhood.

[Anonymous No.14349357]

>>14349343
Again, you're just trying to stuff it into a neat little box created by normies so they can demonize people with it. Hating women is not all the r/incel community did. It's a large component of being an incel for many, but it's not the defining feature. The thing that makes an incel an incel is NO SEX. If you hate women and get sex, you cannot be an incel. It is not defined by hating women.

>No one that's an actual "Involuntary Celibate" would call himself incel these days, that's the bottom line.
Plenty do.

[Anonymous No.14349364]

>>14349348
It started online as a joke on the misc and then made its way onto other spaces as I said above. It refers to the "negative" people because that's how most normies use it today. Originally, and for most of its usage online until it became normie slang, it was just another virgin insult.

[Anonymous No.14349368]

>>14349280
Granted he doesn't fit the category perfectly, but his unrequited longing for a girl, her rejection of him, his seething with anger in isolation etc, all remind me of the "incel" character type.

>>14349285
Thank you, I appreciate your insight and advice. I'll consider posting an excerpt a little later in the thread, if that's okay. Kind of nervous haha!

[Anonymous No.14349374]

>>14349343
this is kind of Orwellian especially for a term that is so clear in its literal meaning

[Anonymous No.14349375]

>>14349327
the reader

[Anonymous No.14349446]

>>14349357
Let's agree to disagree then. However you can at least concede the original point of this conversation, which is that Joker isn't about an incel. The guy isn't suffering for his lack of sex, we don't even know if he's a virgin (well, he probably is), his quarrel with society is not because he can't get laid.
Spoilers for the movie in case people haven't seen it, but the guy is mentally ill, the government cut the medical funding that allowed him to function normally, society in general didn't give a shit about him, his father figures turned out to be assholes (in his eyes at least) and his mother was a cunt that allowed his step father to beat him to the point of mental retardation. None of that is related to celibacy. Joker doesn't deal with incelibacy or whatever, it deals with a guy finding freedom in detaching himself from society's rules and morals.

[Anonymous No.14349478]

>>14349446
Well he literally hallucinates a gf so being romantically alone is a part of his alienation, which is normal for very mentally ill people.
>a guy finding freedom in detaching himself from society's rules and morals.
He's a psychotic villain lol. We can sympathize with him because we saw how he suffered but he's still a literal comic book villain

[Anonymous No.14349501]

>>14349446
If he had a gf and sex, he would not be the psycho he becomes.

[Anonymous No.14349517]

>>14349501
Pretty sure he's fucked in the head because his mother traumatized him which resulted in him being insane and inadequate for society, including relating to women, and later the gvt cut the budget of the programs which gave him the meds necessary to stay stable. Sex isn't the root cause. You didn't see the movie.

[Anonymous No.14349518]

How can a guy by a virgin by the age of 30 unless he's like a monk or in a wheelchair or something?

It must be a conscious choice at that point

[Anonymous No.14349521]

>>14349478
I mean yeah, the movie is about a comic book villain, but it does a good job on explaining why someone would just say "fuck it" and start killing people. The guy is psychotic, but he didn't get there until he realized he owed nothing to society. At the end of the movie the guy is literally detached from everything and everyone, no family, no friends, no morals. It's still a far cry from the complete chaos that is the comic book Joker, but it's close.

>>14349501
Or if he had taken his meds

[Anonymous No.14349551]

>>14349518
most people who are khhv on here never leave the house

[Anonymous No.14349569]

>>14349517
I'm just saying that if he had a girlfriend and sex, he would not turn out the way he did.

[Anonymous No.14349577]

>>14349551
How can anyone even afford to do that?

[Anonymous No.14349612]

>>14349577
their parents fund them or they only leave the house for work and other bare necessities like groceries

[Anonymous No.14349626]

>>14349518
By being (1) physically unattractive and (2) living in an area with an abundance of men, in particular large cities.

[Anonymous No.14349642]

>>14349518
It's easy
Just go outside as little as possible and when you have to go out, scowl at anyone who looks at you.
works great for me

[Anonymous No.14349651]

>>14349569
And you are wrong and not seeing the issue. Congrats.

[Anonymous No.14349660]

>>14349651
No, it's why we need state mandated mental institutions and girlfriends.

[Anonymous No.14349677]

>>14349660
Girlfriends are not the issue. The Christchurch mosque shooter had a girlfriend. The issue is mental health.

[Anonymous No.14349679]

>>14349677
Who is talking about mass shootings?

[Anonymous No.14349694]

>>14349677
Was Tarrant even insane? I mean beyond the obvious abnormality needed to shoot up a mosque, I don't remember him saying anything about that. His manifesto was just a bunch of /pol/ talking points(JQ conspicuously absent). Breivik doesn't seem insane to me either. Or McVeigh

[Anonymous No.14349696]

>>14349679
Pretty sure you talked about how the Joker became a psycho and then tried to sold "sex & girlfriends" as the solution. You brought up the psycho angle.

[Anonymous No.14349700]

>>14349677
>>14349660
it can not be boiled down to just "mental health" or "lack of sex"
It's not that simple, it's a complex dynamic process of disintegrating meaning and purpose in the postmodern world.

[Anonymous No.14349707]

>>14349694
I don't know. Is the Joker truly insane? Does it matter? All it matters is they killed people and did irreparable damage. Mental health deals with this.

[Anonymous No.14349712]

>>14349696
Joker's descent is different from someone like Tarrant or any other generic mass shooter. Tarrant was just a retard, there's nothing complex about him. Elliot would be a good comparable example though.

[Anonymous No.14349718]

>>14349707
Joker was completely insane he was hallucinating entire people and had all sorts of delusions.

[Anonymous No.14349732]

>>14349712
Elliot was also a retard with misguided intentions (killed his Asian roommates for no reason at all). He's even less deep than Tarrant.

[Anonymous No.14349737]

>>14349718
Torrant believed in the muh white replacement theory, so.

[Anonymous No.14349742]

>>14349732
He may be a retard, but Tarrant is just a generic normie who swallowed some /pol/ shit. Tarrant is about as deep as Butterfly's non-existent vagina.

[Anonymous No.14349768]

>>14349737
That's not being insane, that's having a fringe belief. White societies are quite literally becoming less white because of low birth rates and nonwhite immigration. That is not delusion and nobody actually disputes that. Now saying that this is some kind of plan is another matter, but it's a statement about complex historical processes about which there is no clear answer. I think the other side of the culture, who see white supremacy ingrained in institutions are delusional, but I would never call them insane for that belief, it is perfectly plausible given the uncertainty.

It's simply not comparable to hallucinations

[Anonymous No.14349792]

>>14349768
>White societies are quite literally becoming less white because of low birth rates and nonwhite immigration.
White replacement theory deals with Jews or elites being behind all of this. Not with proven facts. Eitherway, mental health wouldn't hurt.

[Anonymous No.14349807]

>>14349792
I don't believe someone is orchestrating it, but white replacement is very real.

[Anonymous No.14349810]

>>14349742
Elliot is also not deep. "Waaa white girls won't fuck me therefore I must kill random people waaa!" Where's the depth in that? Nowhere to be seen.

[Anonymous No.14349815]

>>14349792
It's still not insanity. It's comparable to Marxists saying that capitalists are coordinating behind the scenes. Powerful people who have certain views conspiring and influencing policy and society is not an insane belief, it's just fringe.

In the US the progressive elite at the Ivies, NYT, DNC etc. often literally praise the diversity they see as inevitable in the country's next few decades. All these extremely powerful people cheering something makes it not unreasonable to suggest they have a hand in it coming to fruition.

[Anonymous No.14349816]

>>14349810
>not appreciating aesthetics

[Anonymous No.14349820]

>>14349700
So what do we do in this reality? Move in the woods?

[Anonymous No.14349829]

>>14349820
>It's kind of rolling country, not flat, and when you get to the edge of it you find these ravines that cut very steeply in to cliff-like drop-offs and there was even a waterfall there. It was about a two days' hike from my cabin. That was the best spot until the summer of 1983. That summer there were too many people around my cabin so I decided I needed some peace. I went back to the plateau and when I got there I found they had put a road right through the middle of it ... You just can't imagine how upset I was. It was from that point on I decided that, rather than trying to acquire further wilderness skills, I would work on getting back at the system. Revenge.

[Anonymous No.14349839]

>>14349816
What aesthetics? His entire work is nothing but a misguided, inconsistent, impulsive tantrum of nonsense coming from an autistic, capricious and spoiled brat. His cringy videos scream "I need mental healthcare". His pathetic writing cries "I need therapy." Anyone who admires him is a grade A loser.

[Anonymous No.14349842]

>>14349820
That's an option.
but that's the thing, there's no longer a good answer to "what do we do".
Justifying anything is an exercise in futility. There are no obvious solutions, and one should expect that many people won't be able cope with this reality.

[Anonymous No.14349853]

>>14348883
Having a girlfriend does not excluding you from being an "incel", and can we abolish usage of the word, it’s design is not of holy usage

[Anonymous No.14349854]

>>14349810
Elliot himself had the depth of a 10 year old, the guy literally identified with Anakin Skywalker from the star wars prequels. The sheer scope of his dysfunction had a sort of depth to it though. The combination of what Im guessing were NPD, ASPD, and autism and the way they manifested in his particular environment is really something to behold. He is possibly the single least self-aware person I've ever read, almost everything he writes reads like intentional comedy.

[Anonymous No.14349863]

>>14349854
>>14349842
that is what makes it aesthetic

[Anonymous No.14349869]

>>14349853
>Having a girlfriend does not excluding you from being an "incel"
Absolute state of normies.

[Anonymous No.14349889]

>>14349869
I’m right, if you take an examination into the psychological mind of who you get involved in a relationship with, I care for no use of internet generalised terminology

[Anonymous No.14349903]

>>14349142
Most incels would absolutely reject a prostitute, because they're so stupidly delusional they think they deserve a "higher class" of woman.

[Anonymous No.14349907]

>>14349903
>how dare you not like a strong and independent prostitute

[Anonymous No.14350276]

read Shakespeare

>Since I cannot prove a lover
>To entertain these fair well-spoken days,
>I am determinèd to prove a villain.

[Anonymous No.14350331]

>>14348883
This guy looks like an uglier version of Roger Federer and it's really annoying me

[Anonymous No.14350342]

>>14348883
>Fiction
Sorrows of Young Werther
Whatever
Atomised
Notes from the Underground
Hunchback of Notre Dame
Frankenstein
Book of Disquiet
White Nights
Pleasant Hell
Phantom of the Opera
Hunger
Hungover Square
Doctor Glass
The Collector
Temple of the Golden Pavilion

>Non-Fiction
My Twisted World
Sex and Character

>Poetry
Petrarch's Canzoniere
Canti by Leopardi
Orlando Furioso
Lovesong of J Alfred Prufrock
Collected Poems of WB Yeats
Collected Poems of Phillip Larkin

>Theatre
Harlequinade (Pierrot)
Cyrano De Bergerac
Uncle Vanya

>Films/TV
Taxi Driver
Lars and the real Girl
Blade Runner 2049
Drive
Joker
The Double
Swiss Army Man
The Last American Virgin
A Short Film About Love
Welcome to the Dollhouse
The Inbetweeners

>Music
Schubert's Wintereise and Die Schone Mullerin
Fur Elise/ Moonlight Sonata
Symphony Fantistique
The Queen is Dead
Weezer: Blue Album
Loveless
Five Leaves Left
Works of Daniel Johnston
Blank Monk Time
Violent Femmes
In the Wee Small Hours
Frank Sinatra Sings for Only the Lonley
Works of Roy Orbison


>Comics
Peanuts
Jimmy Corrigan


>manga/anime
NHK
Strong Man Kurosawa
Neon Genesis Evangelion

[Anonymous No.14350344]

>>14349853
>it's
Never try to sound smart again.

[Anonymous No.14350356]

>>14350344
Autocorrect on, sorry buddy

[Anonymous No.14351010]

>>14348883

[Anonymous No.14351024]

FROGGONEWILD

read books nigga

[Anonymous No.14351026]

>>14350331
Your mum looks like an uglier version of Roger Federed but it never annoyed me when I fucked her.

[Anonymous No.14351060]

>>14350342
>Sorrows of Young Werther
Werther is literally a handsome guy who attracts many women. He just fell in love with the wrong one (a woman who's about to get married).
>Atomised
Literally no one here is an incel. One brother fucks any time he wants, and the other is asexual and only interested in science. Not an incel in sight.
>Hunchback of Notre Dame
Not an incel in this one. Quasimodo is a minor character. The main character is the cathedral in the original title "Our Lady of Paris".

[Anonymous No.14351084]

Lolita

[Anonymous No.14351144]

>>14351060
>Werther is literally a handsome guy who attracts many women.
Leonora isn't loads of women. Besides, the book is perhaps the best portrayal of unrequited oneitis in literature so it definitely counts
>Literally no one here is an incel.
Bruno was involuntary celibate for huge stretches of his life. He struggles to get laid at a fucking orgy for fuck's sake.
>Not an incel in this one. Quasimodo is a minor character. The main character is the cathedral in the original title "Our Lady of Paris".
Quasimodo is not a minor character and even if he is, he's still an incel and not even the only one in the book.

[Anonymous No.14351154]

>>14351144
So, incel = any loner I don't like?

[Anonymous No.14351171]

>>14351154
Why are you being willfully dense?

[Anonymous No.14351178]

>>14351171
It's a rather simple question, nothing complex or dense about it.

[Anonymous No.14351192]

>>14351178
And the answer is quite obvious to those who aren't being dense

[Anonymous No.14351195]

>>14351171
He's just being a nlgger

[Anonymous No.14351198]

>>14349197

Why a white guy? Ethics are highly over represented among incels

[Anonymous No.14351203]

>>14351192
Are you using "dense" in some American zoomer way? Just answer the question, lad. Anyone loner I don't like = incel?

[Anonymous No.14351215]

>>14351203
>Are you using "dense" in some American zoomer way
Christ, I'm talking to a fucking ESL 'tard aren't I.
> Anyone loner I don't like = incel?
What the fuck do you think my answer is going to be?

[Anonymous No.14351229]

>>14351215
>What the fuck do you think my answer is going to be?
I wouldn't be asking if I knew the answer, numbnuts.

[Anonymous No.14351233]

>>14351229
Then you're fucking dense

[Anonymous No.14351238]

>>14351233
Who's she? Hot name.

[Anonymous No.14351244]

>>14351238
weak anon

[Anonymous No.14351280]

>>14351144
Werther is not an incel.
Bruno is not an incel.
Quasimodo is not even the MC.

[Anonymous No.14351448]

>>14351280
Werther is an incel
Bruno was an incel
Quasimodo is a central character of the book and is an incel along with Frollo and, to a lesser extent, Gringoire.

[Anonymous No.14351482]

>>14351448
Werther is a chad who fell in love with the wrong woman.
Bruno married, ffs. If anything he's a sex addict and is disatisfied with his life. Sex or otherwise.
Frollo is a priest or something? I don't remember much about this book but I rememebr Quasi being mostly irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.14351499]

>>14351482
Werther is not a chad
Bruno was an incel until he got married.
Quasimodo is not irrelevant.

Stop making up shit about books you clearly haven't fucking read.

[Anonymous No.14351502]

https://voca.ro/azDiuhwwpsX

:3

[Anonymous No.14351529]

>>14351499
I have read all three, the only one I don't quite remember is Notre-Dame since I read it way back. But Bruno was definitely not an incel and Werther was a chad who simply faced unrequited loved like many people.

[Anonymous No.14351541]

https://youtu.be/n1flcGrb81M
not really a book but good vid nonetheless

[Anonymous No.14351561]

>>14351529
You obviously haven't read them. Saying Bruno wasn't an incel when he spends the bulk of his early life wanting sex and being unable to get it and saying Werther was a chad when he spends the bulk of his time being the king of the betas is retarded. You can keep typing these lies over and over, that doesn't make them true.

[Anonymous No.14351588]

>>14351561
Bruno was just an angsty teenager. He fucked afterwards. Anyone who doesn't have sex all the time is an incel now? Come on. And Werther just went crazy for an engaged woman. It was in the Romantic soul to be intense and go all in.

[Anonymous No.14351611]

>>14351588
>Anyone who doesn't have sex all the time is an incel now?
For a protracted period of time due to ugliness to the point of total obsession, yes.
>And Werther just went crazy for an engaged woman
Which comes under the bracket of both beta and involuntary celibacy

[Anonymous No.14351616]

>>14351541
This is already sophomoric 2 minutes in. Clearly never read Hegel, only 20th century appropriations of Hegel by people steeped in generations worth of Heideggerian hermeneutics. Intersubjectivity and historically contingent construction of notions of subjectivity etc. are all fine and good, but Hegel does indeed have a conception of the subject in its "ownness," away from the world. Yes, this is a deficient state, or an empty state, but it is still a state. This guy leaps right to a kind of milquetoast post-French postmodernism hermeneuticized Hegel, mostly elaborated under neoliberalism. More Habermas than Hegel.

This is why you should never trust "read theory" faggots. By theory they mean the digest version of an epitome version of a real philosophy that they were spoonfed in some college class like "Dividualities in Postcolonial Narratives of Self" by a rootless nigger who drives a beemer and hasn't been to his home country in 30 years except to give conferences to its wealthy business elites.

[Anonymous No.14351635]

>>14351611
>For a protracted period of time due to ugliness to the point of total obsession, yes.
I don't quite remember him being ugly. I remeber him sabotaging his chances with women early in life.
>Which comes under the bracket of both beta and involuntary celibacy
Using revisionist meme sensibility to older works is cringe. Incels want sex, hencd the oxymoronic name. Werther wanted love.

[Anonymous No.14351636]

haven't read a lot of the thread, but i think that 'incel-dom' as a point of interest will fade away from interest in the next few years. it's something a media-constructed identity with a community latching onto its label as a result--doesn't mean that label will stick. plus, i think reading a so-called "incel novel" would be too narrow of an experience unless done really well satirically.

[Anonymous No.14351661]

>>14349059
Lol he just goes “Okay thanks!” to that wall of text.. a masterstroke.

[Anonymous No.14351690]

>>14351635
>I don't quite remember him being ugly.
Then you can't have read the book since this is emphasized time and time again
>Incels want sex, hencd the oxymoronic name. Werther wanted love.
Incels also want love. And Werther definitely wants sex, he spends entire paragraphs talking about "touching" Lotte - he's not talking about holding her fucking hand.

[Anonymous No.14351708]

>>14351636
I'd agree that the term incel will not stick. I'd suggest anyone writing about these matters to avoid using the term and about about the community or any of their memes. Partially because copying shit you read on an internet forum full of autists is beneath the imaginative capabilities of a good writer but also because it will date terribly. Invent your own language to describe what you see happening. For example, most of what we think of as the Jazz Age was an invention of people like Fitzgerald

[Anonymous No.14351709]

>>14351690
>Then you can't have read the book since this is emphasized time and time again
Do you have an example? I remember him being described as average. Average penis, face, etc. I don't remember the word "ugly." Maybe "unattractive" which isn't necessarily ugly.
>Incels also want love
So incels are whatever is convenient for you? The name simply implies they want sex but can't get it.

[Anonymous No.14351766]

>>14351709
>Do you have an example?
Not to hand, it's at home.
>So incels are whatever is convenient for you?
No, incels are a group of people with certain behaviours and characteristic than can be easily observed
>The name simply implies they want sex but can't get it.
And the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is neither democratic nor a republic. Sometimes names don't mean shit

[Anonymous No.14351798]

>>14351766
Aren't you the faggot who said incels are not the negative people online but just these loners who can't get laid? Or am I mistaking you for some other faggot from above? Either way it seems like you're expanding the term to include as many people as you dislike. Next thing Brad Pitt would be an incel as well.

[Anonymous No.14352099]

>>14349518
it's easy when you have no friends and never talk to anyone

[Anonymous No.14352242]

>>14349478
>>14349501
>>14349569
The desire for the girlfriend was not a desire for sex, it was a desire for acceptance by a healthy human being. The girl being nice to him one time was such a rare occurance for him that she imprinted deeply on him, which is why he has all of those delusions about dating her.
The movie never explicitly nor implicitly suggests a sexual basis for the relationship. All of the hallucinated scenes involving the girlfriend involve the two of them just talking, and her comforting and being nice to him.

[Anonymous No.14352255]

>>14349807
Just as real as asian, black, brown, etc replacement, yeah.
It takes two to mix a race.

[Anonymous No.14352262]

>>14350356
>Autocorrect
Never try to sound smart again.

[Anonymous No.14352302]

>>14351798
Either way it seems like you're expanding the term to include as many people as you dislike. Next thing Brad Pitt would be an incel as well.
You're being fucking dense again. Stop projecting

[Anonymous No.14352309]

>>14352242
tfwnogf is identical to incels in a morose mood.

[Anonymous No.14352757]

>>14351060
cope