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[Anonymous No.14347281]

it's important that you all understand that Western society is based on the fallacy-ridden ramblings of an idiot. Read this, understand that he is not joking, and understand that Plato is well and truly fucked in the head.

Every single one of his works goes like this:

SOCRATES: "Hello, I will now prove this theory!"
STRAWMAN: "Surely you are wrong!"
SOCRATES: "Nonsense. Listen, Strawman: can we agree to the following wildly presumptive statement that is at the core of my argument?" {Insert wildly presumptive statement here— this time, it's "There is such a thing as Perfect Justice" and "There is such a thing as Perfect Beauty", among others.}
STRAWMAN: "Yes, of course, that is obvious."
SOCRATES: "Good! Now that we have conveniently skipped over all of the logically-necessary debate, because my off-the-wall crazy ideas surely wouldn't stand up to any real scrutiny, let me tell you an intolerably long hypothetical story."
{Insert intolerably long hypothetical story.}
STRAWMAN: "My God, Socrates! You have completely won me over! That is brilliant! Your woefully simplistic theories should become the basis for future Western civilization! That would be great!"
SOCRATES: "Ha ha! My simple rhetorical device has duped them all! I will now go celebrate by drinking hemlock and scoring a cameo in Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure!"

The moral of the story is: Plato is stupid

[Anonymous No.14347327]

>>14347281
Plato is actually a brilliant writer and the subtleties of his word craft gets lost in translation same with the references getting lost in a historical vacuum. Also Platonism is something invented by his followers. In the seventh letter he states clearly that he does not think the public would be able to make any real use of his writings

[Anonymous No.14347344]

>>14347281
You made this thread yesterday

[Anonymous No.14347359]

>>14347281
The Republic is tricky. The Timaeus is supposedly the day after the Republic and ‘Socrates’ comments on his utopia, it’s interesting

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !Lq27kg2JNE No.14347448]

I'm thinking you haven't read most of Plato

[Anonymous No.14347554]

Can't whistle , clap or tap my fingers to a beat even one as simple as "Marry had a little lamb". Totally and utterly beat deaf.
What the fuck is a note what is 1234 what does rythm feel like ?

[Anonymous No.14348432]

>>14347281
Did you even read it? There are multiple passages where Socrates says "lol I'm actually jk, but imagine?"

[Anonymous No.14348445]

>>14347281

>Insert wildly presumptive statement here

If there such degenerates as you appear to be who didn't believe in God or morality running about all over ancient Greece, Socrates would have argued from different premises instead. Thankfully there were very few of them.

[Anonymous No.14348452]

goodreads thread?

[Anonymous No.14349212]

Disclaimer: I'm an idiot

I've started reading Confucius. Is Plato the western version of Confucius? I'm thinking in terms of influence and practical philosophy. I have read any Plato, I'm just going off of memes. And is there a Roman philosopher who is equivalent to Plato and Confucius, or was Rome heavily influenced by Greeks(and I should just start with the Greeks to understand Rome)?
I want to learn what where the philosophical drive behind the Greek, Romans and Chinese because they were great civilizations with large achievements and I'm hoping that if I learn and understand those philosophies, it will help me do things aswell cause I am a confused person.

[Anonymous No.14349221]

>>14349212
Homer , Hesiod, Plato, Herodotus

[Anonymous No.14349254]

>>14349221
thanks

[Anonymous No.14349382]

>>14349254
The main line is good. You'll understand an enormous amount of Greek ideas and philosophy. I'm on Plato

[Anonymous No.14349765]

>>14347281
>Complains about "strawman"
>Proceeds to make whole strawman post himself
God, please smite this fucking retard. Go read your Friedbitch Copezche and fuck off.