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[Anonymous No.14343131]

What books should I read to understand her? What's her angle?

[Anonymous No.14343143]

>>14343131
Jannies

[Anonymous No.14343151]

>>14343131
i want to dick her bros

[Anonymous No.14343157]

Her only point is that "this is serious, we must put climate first". Which isn't wrong. It's one of the few things that's not flaky like the random popular opinion and fashion of the time.
But then again, you'd have to get China, India and all the other rising countries on board, so I don't see how anyone would be hopeful

[Anonymous No.14343161]

>>14343131
Books on climatology. All she is saying is: pay attention to what the scientists are saying.

[Anonymous No.14343170]

>>14343157
>you'd have to get China, India and all the other rising countries on board
Those are literally the countries that make all the manufactured goods consumed in the West.

[Anonymous No.14343172]

>>14343131
Climate Change is a real and serious threat, but the masses are too stupid and short term thinking to do anything about it. The governments are even worse

[Anonymous No.14343263]

>>14343131
Gretas mom loved two things in life, opera singing and being a climate activist. The mother had two daughters. Both daughters share an identical appearance. The first is an opera singer. The second is Greta Thunberg.

[DoctorGreen !DRgReeNusk No.14343266]

>>14343131
Lolita

[Anonymous No.14343290]

>>14343161
>After all, the climate crisis is not just about the environment. It is a crisis of human rights, of justice, and of political will. Colonial, racist, and patriarchal systems of oppression have created and fueled it. We need to dismantle them all. Our political leaders can no longer shirk their responsibilities.

[Anonymous No.14343392]

>>14343161

This would be the same so-called "scientific community" that supports child transgenderism.

No climate-change believer can get out of the fact that northern England was hot enough to grow vineyards in in the mediaeval era, and cold enough to ice-skate on the Thames in during the Industrial Revolution.

[Anonymous No.14343399]

>>14343161

This would be the same so-called "scientific community" that supports child transgenderism.

No climate-change believer can get out of the fact that England was hot enough to grow vineyards in in the northern part of the country during the mediaeval era, and cold enough to ice-skate on the Thames in during the Industrial Revolution.

[Anonymous No.14343404]

>>14343392
>NO BRO listen to our mathematical models which in every case have totally failed to be accurate since the 70's
>We're a SCIENCE ok not like those fucking history or lit nerds I'm STEM
>BTW please donate to my reparations fund

[Anonymous No.14343412]

>>14343131
The IPCC reports.
Alternatively, The Uninhabitable Earth by David Wallace-Wells.

[Anonymous No.14343415]

>>14343131
her diary desu

[Anonymous No.14343421]

>>14343399
>>14343404
Haha what the fuck your response number changed between the first page and the thread.

[Anonymous No.14343433]

>>14343421

Had to delete the post to re-write it a little. I originally began it with "Northern England was hot enough to grow vineyards" and so the clause that talked about the Thames implied the river was in the north of England.

[Anonymous No.14343439]

>>14343151
Why? She looks prepubescent and ugly, I think the usual revulsion by normalfags to attraction to 16 year olds is stupid but most 16 year olds don’t look like foetal alcohol syndrome addled downy 10 year olds, most 16 year olds look like adults

[a_poor_sinner !!eiHxl4pZe1i No.14343442]

>>14343131
Laudato Si.

http://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/encyclicals/documents/papa-francesco_20150524_enciclica-laudato-si.html

I really don't approve of children being used as political tools, and she *is* a yacht-riding hypocrite, but the kid is entirely right. Climate change is a bad and vague term imo. It's a moral problem as much as it is economic and legislative. Consumption is out of control and the brakes are off. The planet will be fine. Humans could easily go exitinct, however.

[Anonymous No.14343451]

>>14343161
I hate scientists theyre dumb faggots that are wrong all the time and cant replicate shit
If I ever see a labcoat faggot I will throw a big fucking rock at him

[Anonymous No.14343455]

>>14343399
>No climate-change believer can get out of the fact that England was hot enough to grow vineyards in in the northern part of the country during the mediaeval era, and cold enough to ice-skate on the Thames in during the Industrial Revolution.
Are you literally retarded?

[Anonymous No.14343467]

>>14343399
I think you overestimate how hot it needs to be to have vineyards, there are vineyards in the north of England today, there was one about a mile from where I grew up in England and it was not very hot, it was just dryer than average because of bizarre topography in the area

[Anonymous No.14343479]

>>14343161
"science''

[Anonymous No.14343482]

>>14343455

Justify yourself, don't just make an insipid adhom.

>>14343467

The point is the contrast between the two. You get the very warm period when there were no man-made emissions, and the exceedingly cold one when they were getting off the ground.

[Anonymous No.14343486]

Just google climate change and take your pick of articles

[Anonymous No.14343494]

>>14343157

China's already somewhat on board. They passed some very strict environmental protection legislation in 2011, and considering they're authoritarian, rather than making a bunch of laws nobody enforces, it's likely they are actually making headway.

[Anonymous No.14343558]

>>14343482
>Justify yourself, don't just make an insipid adhom.
Thinking climatologists don't know about the Little Ice Age is like thinking physicists don't know about inclined planes.

[Anonymous No.14343561]

Alright here’s my take on this whole climate change thing, it definitely might be fake news and I can think of lots of reasons why governments would want people to stop consuming oil, just to end their dependence on oil producing countries for one. There’s no reason to believe all that science about CO2 isn’t just fabricated nonsense, I have no ability to know via my own senses that CO2 traps more heat in the atmosphere. What I do know is that it’s getting warmer and weirder, i live in a place where ten years ago winters were noticeably colder and more consistent, and we’ve had several once in a century storms in the last 5 years, but I have no way of knowing wether or not this is caused by humans. Because of that I’m hedging my bets and acting as if global warming is real, I’m consuming less shit in general, paying close attention to where the goods and food I do buy come from, trying to buy local, driving an efficient car when I can’t use my motorcycle, walking or biking when I can. This has not proved very expensive, I spend slightly more for food, but I save as much on gas my clothes wear out much less often and also feel and look better. In general the most environmentally damaging and wasteful products/services I was using were of a worse quality than the less impactful things I have replaced them with, the food I eat now tastes better and makes me feel better, the clothes look better and are more comfortable. Most of the shit I was doing before, using the mall, ordering things I didn’t really need off Amazon, in retrospect were mostly consumerist/globalist crap that wasn’t making me any happier. It does take quite a bit of effort to learn to distinguish quality items (especially this Is true of clothing; two garments simply labeled 100% cotton can be quite different depending on things like staple length and one may be much more durable than the other, even if they feel almost exactly the same when their new, it took a lot of time to be able to tell the difference myself) and to determine their origins. I have found this effort to be worth it both because I am more satisfied with the things I buy but it also has revealed a lot of globalist trickery and dehumanizing bullshit which was not apparent to me before. So Manmade Global warming definitely might be a globalist sci-op, but at least in my case it has backfired and made me more aware and able to resist the process of consumerism and globalization.

[Anonymous No.14343565]

>>14343558

Putting a label on the phenomenon I just described is not a way to excuse it away.

[Anonymous No.14343569]

>>14343561
TL:DR: Global Warming might be a globalist sci-op, but we have no way of knowing so it might be worth hedging your bets and trying to reduce your impact just in case it’s real, and this has benefits of its own

[Anonymous No.14343571]

>>14343565
They don't "excuse it away", asshat. They understand it quite well. Read a book some time.

[Anonymous No.14343578]

>>14343131
Has she ever completed a book in her life ?

[Anonymous No.14343600]

>>14343571

"They" (since you are now deceitfully shifting the subject whom I'm addressing from yourself to scientists in general) don't address it convincingly, which is exactly the point. Virtually every graph you will find which is intended to convince you of man-made climate-change misleadingly starts at the year 1900, instead of 1000 or earlier, from which point the weather-patterns appear completely normal. That is, perhaps, unless a steep fantastical line is drawn which makes projections about the future.

[Anonymous No.14343643]

>>14343600

Your skepticism is misapplied. They all start at 1900 because they only started documenting weather patterns across the globe at that point. If you're looking at data from 1000, chances are they're completely made up (likely) or projected backwards with mathematical modelling (less likely).

You can do some broad strokes of ancient weather pattern analysis by analyzing tree rings, but really nothing is like the actual documentation.

[Anonymous No.14343649]

>>14343600
The Little Ice Age (and Medieval Warm Period) is explained by solar variation alone. What distinguishes the post 1900 period is that non-man-made factors like solar variation cannot account for the change in global temperatures. Instead, the warming trend correlates with greenhouse gas emissions. This is all basic stuff.

[Anonymous No.14343655]

>>14343161
All she is saying is : pay attention to me.

[Anonymous No.14343664]

>>14343655
Nope, that's literally the opposite of what she is saying.

[Anonymous No.14343674]

>>14343157
>China, India and all the other rising countries on board

A lot of Western countries industrialize there, not to mention per capita USA is still the highest in carbon emissions. Doesn't exclude India and China however.

Not to mention if you were to bring most industrialization back domestically, prices on products such as iPhones would raise by 10 fold. Not that I would mind, I would even sacrifice, indoor plumbing, the internet, even the computer I'm typing this on to live on a pastoral community. But most wouldn't which just persists the problem.

[Anonymous No.14343704]

>>14343674
>I would even sacrifice, indoor plumbing, the internet, even the computer I'm typing this on to live on a pastoral community.
Why don't you go do that?

[Anonymous No.14343729]

Culture of Narcissism

[Anonymous No.14343742]

>>14343643

The reconstructions from climate proxies, so far as I am aware, show that the Mediaeval Warm Period was not any hotter than the weather is today, and perhaps even a little more so. And even if they did, as you say, the whole thing is conjectural. It certainly is misleading to give graphs of weather-patterns both to children and to the general public when you omit information about the Mediaeval Warm and Little Ice Age periods, as is far more common than not.

>>14343649

Solar activity is not the only way in which the Mediaeval Warm Period is attempted to be excused. Decreased volcanic activity and changes to the circulation of the ocean are other fanciful explanations. But climate-change sceptics point out at any rate that solar activity was at an extremely high level from the mid-twentieth-century to the early 2000s, accounting for a corresponding increase in temperatures; so that the solar excuse fails to accomplish anything.

I will go back to the point I made originally. The "scientific community," in the main, supports the barbaric and degenerate practice of child transgenderism. Most scientific papers can't be replicated, the system is endemically corrupt, and those who support Climate Change have been found wrong in their predictions, or even lied to the public on innumerable occasions. It is also obvious to see what the dogma of Climate Change has to gain, namely greater control by governments over the people. So why do you place such blind and implicit faith in both them and it?

[Anonymous No.14343743]

>>14343704
I actually searched around. All communes seem to be religious. There's Amish but I doubt they take outsiders. I considered going Hasidic. It's not so much pastoral and it too suffers from an unemployment problem however.

[Anonymous No.14343754]

>>14343643

The reconstructions from climate proxies, so far as I am aware, show that the Mediaeval Warm Period was not any cooler than the weather is today, and perhaps even a little hotter. And even if they did, as you say, the whole thing is conjectural. It certainly is misleading to give graphs of weather-patterns both to children and to the general public when you omit information about the Mediaeval Warm and Little Ice Age periods, as is far more common than not.

>>14343649

Solar activity is not the only way in which the Mediaeval Warm Period is attempted to be excused. Decreased volcanic activity and changes to the circulation of the ocean are other fanciful explanations. But climate-change sceptics point out at any rate that solar activity was at an extremely high level from the mid-twentieth-century to the early 2000s, accounting for a corresponding increase in temperatures; so that the solar excuse fails to accomplish anything.

I will go back to the point I made originally. The "scientific community," in the main, supports the barbaric and degenerate practice of child transgenderism. Most scientific papers can't be replicated, the system is endemically corrupt, and those who support Climate Change have been found wrong in their predictions, or have even lied to the public, on innumerable occasions. It is also obvious to see what the dogma of Climate Change has to gain, namely greater control by governments over the people. So why do you place such blind and implicit faith in both them and it?

[Anonymous No.14343767]

>>14343494
Oh yeah and they are going to stop mining rare earths? No they won't and they won't try to make a clean process either. If they could then we would have it in the US already but we don't so they can't copy us. I don't hate China but a lot of innovation is going to come from NA and Europe. What we really need is a major push towards fission reactors until we actually have a long term viable solution such as a fusion reactor. ITER will be fully constructed in 2025 and by 2035 it will produce electricity, supposedly. Thankfully though there are a bunch of private companies working on fusion reactors. Solar panels suck and so do wind turbines.
>>14343482
>>14343467
In Canada they are able to grow vineyards and ski during the winter. They couldn't grow vines for wine making before but now they can.
>>14343600
Anon can we both agree that the sun is extremely powerful? I am sure you said yes. Well that energy is hitting the earth and it causes heating. Due to the high presence of carbon in the atmosphere more of this energy is trapped into the atmosphere because this energy comes in the form of waves. You know like light, infrared and microwaves, etc. If you've ever observed light going through a prism then you will know that it can be diffracted, that is it will change direction. Carbon causes a diffraction of the waves and these waves, instead of going back out of the atmosphere, are directed back into it releasing more energy. It's a bit like putting a blanket over you. I should also precise that, as you know, warm objects try to get colder and do so by rejecting heat through the form of infrared waves. These infrared are shot back towards the atmosphere but they are diffracted back.

[Anonymous No.14343797]

>>14343442
False. And that is the gross part. You and most of the General I’ll treat it like a moral problem and that’s the part I hate. We have no humanistic (the only moral basis that hold any water are egoism and humanism) to care about biological nature. There is no epistemological difference between it and fucking rocks. If it was tackled more as a measure of human convienience instead of moral grandstanding I’d be more onboard.

[Anonymous No.14343816]

>>14343754
>gravity doesn't exist because something something trannies
Wew lad

[Anonymous No.14343829]

>>14343816

You're showing up your own inability to understand an argument; it's no reproof of me.

[Anonymous No.14343832]

Don't worry bros, stem-fag engineers like me will revamp cars and fossiel fuel plants so we can continue to burn carbon emissions at not only the current, but an accelerated one. This way nobody has to give up their hedonistic lifestyles and fossil fuel corporations, as well as every politician in Washington, can keep their pockets stuffed with our tax monies.
Well, that is to say if defense contractors don't offer me more monies before then.

[Anonymous No.14343834]

>>14343743

You can become Amish. . . It just doesn't happen very often.

[Anonymous No.14343842]

>>14343479
(((science)))

[Anonymous No.14343876]

Grifting for dummies

[a_poor_sinner !!eiHxl4pZe1i No.14343907]

>>14343797
>If it was tackled more as a measure of human convienience
You unwittingly embody the notion of practical relativism described in Laudato Si, that unquenchable demand for convenience that drives pollution in the first place. Look it up.

>We have no humanistic (the only moral basis that hold any water are egoism and humanism) to care about biological nature.
I agree it is silly to give "rights" to things like biomes and mountains, especially if we know they're only going to be trampled on anyway. But you're mistaken thinking we are separate from "biological nature." We aren't. It is our food supply, our water supply, and our health.

[Anonymous No.14343945]

>>14343151

[Anonymous No.14344010]

>don't build modern fifth generation reactors just eat the bugs

[Anonymous No.14344034]

>>14343131
She is an autistic pawn, and her veganism is stunting her growth. Poor kid.

[Anonymous No.14344045]

>>14343161
Naomi Klein, for all the hate she gets (sure, some of it is deserved), has a pretty decent distillation of climate science and the various pathetic liberal climate change "solutions" and why they're ineffectual. This Changes Everything from a few years back. I also read her new book about Green New Deal stuff which was simply a cash grab, some essays thrown together and not nearly as coherent as that prior book on climate change.

[Anonymous No.14344055]

>>14343172
This is what scientists say.

[Anonymous No.14344058]

>>14344045
This Changes Everything is much more academic and sober than the approach street activism takes, though Klein in her own right is an activist and has repeatedly praised Thunberg.

[Anonymous No.14344065]

>>14343131
>What's her angle?
Obtuse.

[Anonymous No.14344100]

You can see how the IPCC is misleading people... This is about political control and destroying sovereignty.

[Anonymous No.14344102]

>>14343451
Based grug

[Anonymous No.14344130]

Poor semi retarded kid. And that vegan diet îs making her hair fall out. Exploiting the mental subnormies is so wrong. :-(

[Anonymous No.14344144]

>>14344130