>W-wait! You're an intellectual AND a right-winger?! What books should I read to elicit this response and pic related's expression?

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>W-wait! You're an intellectual AND a right-winger?!
What books should I read to elicit this response and pic related's expression?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 02:15:42 2019 No.14339989 >>14339979 My diary desu.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 02:18:03 2019 No.14340001 >>14339979 >2019 >Still clinging to political ideologies Grow up kids

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 02:18:55 2019 No.14340005 >>14339979 >W-wait! You're an intellectual AND a right-winger?! Said no one ever in the history of the planet. Neck yourself, bigot.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 02:21:24 2019 No.14340015 File: 214 KB, 1600x2416, right side of history.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This one is sure to drive libshits crazy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 02:21:56 2019 No.14340017 >>14339979 the Bible

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 02:23:02 2019 No.14340022 >>14339979 Your suicide note.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 02:34:55 2019 No.14340056 >>14339979 Carl Schmitt This thread sucks though

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 03:25:55 2019 No.14340229 >>14339979 not possible nearly every right wing ‘intellectual’ is bought and paid for by the koch brothers

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 03:29:55 2019 No.14340241 >>14339979 Right wing/capitalism, by definition, is anti-intellectual.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 03:41:03 2019 No.14340280 >>14340241 In a way that's true, because "right wing" is just kinda natural, it's the default state of any reasonable person. OTOH, being "left wing" means going against nature, and that requires elaborate mental gymnastics.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 03:55:38 2019 No.14340311 File: 106 KB, 647x1084, 1570994846628.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >calling yourself an intellectual Why are right wingers like this

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 03:57:06 2019 No.14340313 >>14340311 No right winger actually does that. Personally, intellectuals get the bullet first.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 03:57:39 2019 No.14340316 >>14340241 >implying liberalism is not in bed with consumerism and capitalism

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 04:00:47 2019 No.14340321 File: 209 KB, 786x1113, Jacques_Ellul _1990_(cropped).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14340241 And that's a good thing.

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 04:07:48 2019 No.14340337

>>14339979
Being an intellectual requires you to do a lot of mental gymnastics to reach counter intuitive (and false) claims and to defend them.
See, Communism, Anarchism, anti-natalism and so on, all of these are idiotic and even if implemented will lead to disastrous outcomes, but they are very much "Intellectual" and highly popular with people in academia who are totally disconnected from reality, which is a basic requirement to believe in these things.

Right wingers really can't do the same. For example, it's obvious why borders exist and what the consequences of not having them are, a person with an IQ of 80 can figure this out, but it takes a person with an IQ of at least 120 to figure out a complex system of beliefs to circumvent reality.

Intellectuals, when strictly confined to academic spheres, can be useful to society, but their ideas must never be taken serious.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 04:08:45 2019 No.14340340 File: 50 KB, 683x449, images (16).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14340241 >nooo you can't just appeal to animal instinct to steamroll over my learned weltanschauung

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 04:09:21 2019 No.14340342 File: 40 KB, 647x659, 87f.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14340241 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 04:09:57 2019 No.14340346 >>14339979 Jordan Peterson

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 04:11:39 2019 No.14340349 >>14339979 >Deciding in advance on a position, then crowdsourcing suggestions from 4chan in support of it Truly intellectual

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 04:32:23 2019 No.14340392 File: 140 KB, 800x400, Jessica-Taylor-Fox-Conservative-Squad.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14340241 We have a weapon to finally stop you commies

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 04:37:17 2019 No.14340402 >>14339979 12 Rules For Life, duh.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 04:44:47 2019 No.14340424 >>14340392 OH SHIT BROS, THEY JUST DEFEATED COMMUNISM

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 04:45:50 2019 No.14340425 >>14340392 By "Conservative" they really mean Neoliberal Zionists

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 04:47:53 2019 No.14340434

>>14339979
If you want to evoke this response, as extremely unlikely as that may be, you'll need to lay a foundation of scientific knowledge, as this is what the materialist pretends to concern himself with in the pursuit of his political agenda. For this, start with Nicholas Wade's "A Troublesome Inheritance" and Jonathan Haidt's "The Righteous Mind." Both are on smaller side and should be easily read quickly. The first will give you a decent overview of the biological reality of race and its impact on human history. The second will educate you on the manner by which people determine their moral and political positions, "facts don't care about your feelings," etc.
Afterward, Murray's "The Bell Curve" will cover demographic inequality in America and its relation to IQ, and Pinker's "The Blank Slate" will cover the modern denial of the effect of genetics and sex on the mind. Last one I'll recommend in this category is E. O. Wilson's "Sociobiology" will examine human social behavior as instinctual and inborn, basically applying ethology to humans as they are animals.
I also recommend "Albion's Seed" for an overview of the origins of American culture and folkways.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 04:50:37 2019 No.14340441 >>14340241 absolute state of commies

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 04:56:43 2019 No.14340456 It's all so tiresome

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 04:58:11 2019 No.14340460 >>14340392 Slightly offtopic, but why is America, especially white America, so unaesthetic?

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 04:59:18 2019 No.14340462
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>>14339979
>political beliefs that can be easily defined in left or right
Never gonna make it
>>14340316
>implying that true liberalism is not modern right wing

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 05:01:00 2019 No.14340470 >>14340346 >Juden Peterson >right wing

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 05:12:19 2019 No.14340508 >>14339979 The Controversy of Zion

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 05:15:01 2019 No.14340515 >>14340337 go back to Russia

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 05:17:37 2019 No.14340519

>>14339979
One real answer is to follow the development of "Darwinism" as an intellectual tradition. It arose in the 19th century and inspired the proto-libertarian thought of Herbert Spencer, which led more or less to the entire concept of anarcho-capitalism amongst other things. Darwinism in general has turned out to be a very "right wing" thing, in part because of how the intellectual fad of eugenics was adopted by Hitler as an organizing principle of Nazi Germany, but also because evolution resonates with market mechanisms and industrial society - it abides by the virtue of Progress but also concedes that natural hierarchies exist which are implicit in "what survives", "what grows", and so on.

With this in mind, it's interesting to note that there's a strange phenomenon among the fluffiest of left wing academics and activists - where they actively deny evolution (often confusing it for social darwinism), and biology. One reason they do this is that it is in the interests of humanities and social science academics (and activists) to treat everything as a "social problem" (when you have a hammer, everything is a nail). When everything is a social problem, you can endlessly prescribe your preferred social engineering solutions.

It's more of a stretch - but I also like to consider it in light of the idea that Marxism is a secularised Christian heresy. Just as Christians have a worldview that denies evolution for expediency (actually, God created us, bible literalism, blah blah), so do the critical theorists and marxists have reasons to avoid the inconvenient aspects of evolution by pushing all problems into the social domain (everything is explained by "nurture", and we are therefore so socially powerful that top-down/centralised social intervention such as EDUCATION is the solution to every problem (it can also be the converse... failure of education or failure to appreciate unconscious biases in our social environment is an always-reachable explanation for almost all social problems) - therefore, give us more power and money to execute our social programs).

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 05:17:37 2019 No.14340520 >>14339979 Confucious The term you are looking for is mandarins, apologists for arbitrary power Your kind was already wiped out once, and we will do it again and again and again

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 05:21:14 2019 No.14340531 >>14340460 Read Eco

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 07:20:03 2019 No.14340942 >>14339979 You're not an intellectual if you still use such terms. Unless you use them in a very specific way, like how Evola defines rightwing for example.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 07:23:33 2019 No.14340953 >>14339979 One on how to cultivate a tulpa.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 07:24:14 2019 No.14340955 >>14340241 Fascism is, but I don't see how capitalism is.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 07:35:14 2019 No.14340993 >>14340955 All capitalism is Fascism in disguise. Dont try coming up with shit like "Anarcho Capitalism" or "Libertarian Capitalism" They are meme ideologies and they dont exist

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 07:37:19 2019 No.14341000 >>14339979 Talmud, but only if you've a got shiksa for a mother.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 07:38:16 2019 No.14341003 >>14340993 Is Singapore fascist? Authoritarian yes, but fascist?

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 07:55:13 2019 No.14341064

>anti-intellectual
>not anti-humanist
As I understand it, Fascism and Marxism are both anti. And while Marxism prevailed over Fascism in Europe, in the wake of WWII, the US remains in a slight tension with t still. This is the reason species of posthuman thought are emerging.

Basically, this anti-intellectualism thread is quaint because it's intractable whether neo-fascists or neo-marxists, defined loosely here, have grown more "anti-intellectual" since WWII. Very masturbatory as a topic, indeed, almost as if by design.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 08:06:42 2019 No.14341088 >>14340241 And why almost every Nobel economist is right wing?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 08:27:02 2019 No.14341150 >>14340993 Shit Basic commies say. At least provide hot takes not this recycled Twitter shit

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 09:36:04 2019 No.14341423

>>14339979
Cringe. What do you even mean by right wing? The only logical conclusion of reactionary politics is a return to ethno-nationalism and theocratic monarchy with state run capitalism. That's been the system for most of civilization. To be right wing is to be a reactionary, and to be a reactionary is to desire a return to the natural order. Things like free trade and libertarianism aren't right wing, they're just fake and gay. Like you OP

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 09:45:27 2019 No.14341455 Hegel, Nietzsche, Heidegger, Schmitt Gentile, Evola, Plato, and de Maistre to name a few.

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 09:50:12 2019 No.14341475
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>>14339979
if you're "right-wing" you don't want to be an intellectual. that being said, the catholicism is the only right wing group with a tradition of scholasticism and literature. so go read the summa.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 09:51:17 2019 No.14341480 File: 1.43 MB, 834x1028, 1574382261954.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14340460 >unaesthetic what do you mean?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 09:54:52 2019 No.14341498 >>14340953 what are some good books about tulpamancy

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 09:58:41 2019 No.14341519

>>14340460
To a degree, it was intended to be that way and also because it’s completely subject to the short term whims of individuals and their ideological parties that change every 4 years so nothing gets preserved to any meaningful degree. What you get is a place where the only lasting structures are the ones that are constructed behind the scenes as a means of control, various forms of fences, walls, prison cells or the ones designed to propagate continued addiction to consumer society, the market, the factory, logistics networks, etc. Everything else falls into disintegration for lack of orientation and/or upkeep.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 10:11:58 2019 No.14341581 >>14340280 All ideology

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 10:15:57 2019 No.14341605 Chateaubriand, Thomas Carlyle, Carl Schmitt

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>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 10:23:35 2019 No.14341640 File: 129 KB, 364x293, 1576016244742.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >spoonfeed me things that will create my snowflake fantasy persona Why are right winger always this pathetic?

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 10:23:49 2019 No.14341642

Wondering when “reactionary” started being a buzzword, did Zizek say this at a debate or something? Do people really not think there’s any depth to the entirety of right wing thinking? I would agree it’s not as deep as left wing analysis and there’s a kind of return to the past (that’s always shifting) but only in relation to a progress that’s supposedly always progressing and also reacting. Aren’t all politics reactions against something? It just feels like another empty buzzword and a way to not deal with points or feelings that people of any kind would use to detract from the left wing narrative. It’s Tiring to see smears touted as some intellectual pursuit when it’s all an effort to get away from substantive conversation (while saying so-called reactionaries have no substance). Someone please explain this to me, I’m not even right wing it just makes no sense reading it to me and feels like a playground insult. If there’s something I’m missing please educate me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 10:29:03 2019 No.14341669 >>14340229 The Koch brothers were libertarian you fucking faggot. One of them was on the board at PBS for Christsake. When will you people learn there isn’t a big bad Soros/Jews/Koch/Patriarchy keeping you down and that you’re just gay?

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 10:30:01 2019 No.14341675

>>14341642
all political force is either revolutionary or reactionary and in a system obsessed with progress, reaction is the ultimate no-no. this is the true dichotomy of politics, and if yo extend it to its furthest end you realize when you become more reactionary that you're reacting to sin against God ultimately. its the story of man straying further and further from God, trying to "liberate" himself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 10:31:30 2019 No.14341681 >>14340460 Do you view our aesthetic nature purely through a video screen? If so, shall I judge yours in the same fashion?

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 10:34:47 2019 No.14341702

>>14341675
>all force in the world is reactionary/progressive
>le god is awesome
Ok grandpa this still makes absolutely no sense. Again, just feels like literally a black and white world of reductionism and anti-intellectual. I know you aren’t the standard progressive lobbing the term “reactionary” at someone as an insult but you’re still a god faggot, just one that uses what appears to me to be Marxist lingo. Congrats, you’re a fag!

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 10:37:24 2019 No.14341718 >>14341675 >a system obsessed with progress Whether the progress is positive or negative, the system demands constant change.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 10:39:09 2019 No.14341728 File: 606 KB, 1024x1024, 1571596498430.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14341702 okay sinner

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 10:46:10 2019 No.14341765 >>14339979 In reality OP is probably too much of a sperg to make convincing arguments. Might get a few disgusted reactions from Stacy though when hes stuttering out drivel.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 10:49:17 2019 No.14341780 >>14341702 >progressivism institutes atheism >reaction against atheism is a reaction against progress >progressvism is godliness >reaction against atheism is therefore a sin against God >religion is sin Godfag ultimately BTFOs himself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 10:51:57 2019 No.14341798 >talking to normoids about politics of all things. Kek remember when some streetshitter at my job would talk about his stupid anarchist bs to the the other normans at work what a cringelord

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 10:53:49 2019 No.14341807 If you're asking, you will never be an intellectual.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 10:57:20 2019 No.14341823 >>14339979 every post evangelizing right wing views radicalizes me as an antiautharian leftist. someone should tell pol to fuck off from all the blue boards.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 11:17:10 2019 No.14341903 >>14341823 >someone should tell pol to fuck off Be the change that you want to see.

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 11:17:22 2019 No.14341904

The only chance to be a right wing intellectual is to be a propagandists cynically doing the right-wing grift that just happens to have intellectual hobbies. Sure some sincere right wingers are smart but their intellect is broken in some way or another. Of course you could be a normie acedemic with unexamined right wing views but you aren't an intellectual if you don't live the life of mind and you aren't a genuine right-winger until you drink the koolaid

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 11:20:28 2019 No.14341917 >>14341669 Explain why the wage gap exists then

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 11:20:49 2019 No.14341919 >>14340460 Anglo genes

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 11:27:52 2019 No.14341946

>>14341669
It's real but mega doners aren't the puppet masters, they just invest in the propaganda industry for influence. Besides the kochs are small fries compared to corporations, who have direct access to the state apparatus and dislike getting involved in AstroTurf'd democratic movements, they only need propaganda as a last resort to crush their enemies.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 11:29:14 2019 No.14341956 File: 108 KB, 800x640, 1529426195194.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14339979 >implying being intellectual AND apolitical isn't the truly most subversive thing you can be

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 11:31:37 2019 No.14341961 >>14339979 holy shit you're stupid

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 11:38:10 2019 No.14341988 >>14341917 What wage gap

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 11:54:45 2019 No.14342064 >>14341988 Between men and femoids, duh

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>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:01:35 2019 No.14342407 >>14339979 Ben shapiro :^)

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:03:56 2019 No.14342417

>>14341917
If you’re talking about the gap between rich and poor which is the only one that matters then all I have to point to is that the rich and powerful under every system always have their money poop at the top. Any financial analysis beyond that is pure pageantry.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:04:03 2019 No.14342418 >>14341480 that guy's outfit in the first two panels is actually quite aesthetic

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:04:58 2019 No.14342423 >>14341946 I agree with that

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:06:17 2019 No.14342430 >>14342225 God this meme is the most cringe shit ever. >MOMMY MOMMY THE BAD MAN WONT SAY AND DO WHAT I WANT HIM TO >WHY ISNT HE ALL CONSUMED BY POLITICS LIKE THE GOOD PEOPLE ON FOX AND CNN kys fag

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:07:01 2019 No.14342434 >>14341669 peabrain analysis here

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:08:27 2019 No.14342440 File: 377 KB, 2000x2000, virgin centrist.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14340001 >Instead of taking a stand on anything, I am le enlightened centrist

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Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:16:40 2019 No.14342475

Very few people on the right would call anyone who reads any books— other than claiming to read the bible but actually just skimming books written by televangelists, and maybe glancing at a couple of self help books about investment— actually right wing. Even if you’re right-leaning, if you read books, according to most of the right, you’re a leftie faggot. You need to drink lots of beer, beat up some women, collect guns, and then move into a low-rent white trash slum, get super fat, and watch reality tv. Then you’ll be the truest right wing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:19:40 2019 No.14342489 >>14342475 cope

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:20:30 2019 No.14342494

>>14342434
Yeah because the explanation couldn’t just be that human beings follow their most basic impulses and the world is chaotic and disorderly. The 2008 financial crisis was planned! Does it help you sleep at night when you slip on your pjs and curl up in bed with your latest copy of The Bell Jar to think that the word is run by some semblance of order and there are puppet masters pulling the strings on everything we do? Obviously power pools at the top but it’s funny you think my analysis is a reduction when I’m sure you’ll either chortle in about how capitalism or communism are pure evil like some godfather, embrace the universe as chaos. It’s actually much more complex of a worldview to have, and just because you don’t get to turn every person into a monolith of good/bad or reaction/progression makes you behave like a baby losing its BABA. Now you have to take the time and energy to judge people and events on their merit and individually rather than as a giant horde. Get raped.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:21:32 2019 No.14342497 >>14342463 Hillary lost get over it

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:21:58 2019 No.14342500 >>14340229 lol the rich (more than 10 million) support democrats overwhelmingly. and libertarians arent conservative.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:24:18 2019 No.14342510 Guys, how do we wipe out all right- wingers? They are just so pathetic and boring we should put them out of their misery.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:26:53 2019 No.14342516 >>14342489 Hey. I’m right-leaning, but all the other right wingers I’ve met in person (and am related to) would never read anything like Evola or Nietzsche or Ezra Pound because the words are too big and there isn’t enough Jesus in them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:27:33 2019 No.14342520 >>14342440 >Thinking I give a shit about politics at all Sorry pal, I serve a higher purpose

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:30:34 2019 No.14342531 >>14340015 >Shapiro Into the gas chamber you go, Israel Firster.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:31:38 2019 No.14342535 >>14340456 Amen

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:33:42 2019 No.14342549

>>14342510
Through education
Right wing ideology is unfortunately close to every knee jerk reaction an uninformed person could have on important issues, so if someone is anti intellectual there's not much you can do to help them
They are best just marginalized and ignored, which is why you find so many of them in this flophouse for societal dropouts
/v/ was absolutely seething yesterday when an indie developer won game of the year and thanked Marx for educating her on politics
There were multiple 600 reply threads of them coping, it is still going

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:35:38 2019 No.14342558

>>14341904
Maybe, but I just think that most right wingers don’t understand the depth of their own thought (they haven’t boiled it down to first principles.) for example, if we accept that the object-subject distinction is not as clean as metaphysics up to Heidegger imply, we are left with the question of whether a flat ontology (OOO) is a valid understanding of being. The leftist instinct is to validate a flat ontology, as it doesn’t privilege the anthropocentrisme that is supposedly at the cause of our woes. The right believes in a hierarchical ontology (privileging sacred over profane spaces, as well as reconstructing such spaces after the death of god) and this informs most political differences between leftists and rightists. Open to criticism, but I just think that the right doesn’t engage with academia beyond “muh markets” “muh classical virtues” and for this reason is seen as intellectually bankrupt

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:35:53 2019 No.14342559 >>14342549 >le EPIC culture war

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>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:38:44 2019 No.14342575 >>14342549 >an indie developer won game of the year and thanked Marx for educating her on politics Did this actually take place? Hue, pathetic.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:39:59 2019 No.14342582 >>14342567 the problem with bukowski is that he's a faggot jew and not a poet

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:40:10 2019 No.14342584 >>14340460 >especially white America Yeah because Chinatown and Skid Row are so beautiful

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:41:01 2019 No.14342588 >>14342571 wtf is this off-brand wojak? the fuck?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:41:19 2019 No.14342590 >>14340519 Extremely low IQ post

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:45:50 2019 No.14342611 Funny since all the best authors are right wing. SAVE US FROM THE COMMIE FAGGOTS BORGES RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEE

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:46:35 2019 No.14342613

>>14341475
Unfortunately this. The Catholic tradition and Vatican political structure is the proper conclusion of right wing traditionalism. It is unfortunate because catholicism has become extremely gay and it would take an entirely new, organic spirituality to develop to replace it

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:47:59 2019 No.14342621 >>14342516 >former right winger here Why is lefty/pol/ the most retarded group to have ever exist?

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>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:50:18 2019 No.14342631 >>14342575 Yeah cause it was a game about politics

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:50:40 2019 No.14342632 >>14342516 Those sound like leftists to me. And Christianity is leftist too.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:50:51 2019 No.14342633 >>14342516 Why would a self respecting right winger bother with Nietzsche?

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:51:19 2019 No.14342635

>>14342558
Your post describes exactly whats wrong the left. Loteral jackshit that has anything to do with the woes of actual proles and more retarded self masturbatory jargon that is nowhere near applicable in reality. For fuck sake, the right's argument of NATURE>>>> hurrr nurture is more valid and scientific than anything that is sprung from leftard ideology especially that retard Marx.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:52:08 2019 No.14342637 >>14342633 Never read Only react It's what God designed you for

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:53:40 2019 No.14342644 Itt:leftard virgins projects on right winger chads.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:55:56 2019 No.14342651 >>14342571 Based, politics is just WWE for people that think they're smart

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 14:00:01 2019 No.14342664 >>14342651 >politics is just WWE for people that think they're smart That's what democracy ultimately degenerates into. Especially if you give every retard the right to vote.

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 14:00:23 2019 No.14342666
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>>14340993
>a system run almost entirely by Jews to the benefit of Jews, it is almost entirely based around usury
>a system that frequently marginalises Jews and infamously killed them by the millions
>heheh they are le same

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 14:01:46 2019 No.14342675 >>14340993 >All capitalism is Fascism in disguise >everything I don't like is capitalism Imagine living in such a simple world.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 14:06:01 2019 No.14342693 >>14340001 Based

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 14:07:03 2019 No.14342702 >>14340241 Based

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 14:07:37 2019 No.14342707

>>14339979
the people who have that kind of reaction don't read and would never concede that you do because opposite group bad, just ignore the retards and start learning for yourself
don't take literature advice from internet right wingers either, they're brainlets that never read their nonsensical "approved" lists

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 14:09:47 2019 No.14342717 >>14341605 The first two are a joy to read, Carl Schmitt of course is a must read

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 14:11:30 2019 No.14342728 >>14340337 >counter intuitive (and false) claims based and redpilled

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 14:12:05 2019 No.14342733 >>14339979 Kierkegaard is a must edgyboi atheists think he's on their side when in reality he's a full on ascetic monk

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 14:12:18 2019 No.14342735 >>14340001 baste

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 14:15:53 2019 No.14342755 File: 1.14 MB, 480x270, giphy[1].gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >intellectual >chantard seethe tho

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 14:16:14 2019 No.14342758

>>14341917
Which wage gap are you talking about? Are you talking about the survey which showed a gap in average net earnings for full time working men and women when summed across all industries? That's a pretty easy one to answer, women when given the choice, make different choices than men.

If you're talking about another gap, let me know, and it will probably be just as easy to answer.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 14:17:02 2019 No.14342764 >>14342225 centrist =/= apolitical boomer

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 14:17:20 2019 No.14342766 >>14340056 >>14341605 The reason why schmitt is even known today is because of Giorgio Agamben and Foucault

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 14:23:15 2019 No.14342791

>>14339979
I mean, it's not quite that simple as "Right-wing" vs left-wing. There are plenty of right-wing political philosophers and professors worth reading, and plenty that are not right wing that are important to understanding the world from a right-wing perspective (including many post-modernists and leftists).

A good start would be getting a decent understanding of history, mythology and basic philosophy. Starting from the goal of reaching a "right-wing" perspective is just going to prevent you from actually being able to develop the ability to critically understand what you are reading that is necessary to actually have anything of value to say regardless of your intended political alignment.

A couple of simple modern social issues books that could point you in the right direction are "Why Liberalism Failed" by Patrick J Deneen, and "Ship of Fools" by Tucker Carlson, but those are fairly surface level and really more about understanding a perspective than something "intellectual."
I would consider it fairly equivalent to a progressive reading Stephen Pinker or Noam Chomsky. Not really "intellectual" per se, but a surface level understanding of the positions and basic motivations for those positions.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 14:24:47 2019 No.14342797 >>14340001 cringe

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 14:25:14 2019 No.14342800 Why do people seek labels so much? Lefties and righties are the same fucking bullshit base, shallow people looking for social points

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 14:27:25 2019 No.14342805 File: 403 KB, 640x360, file_35.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14340005 Weve got a live one!

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 14:29:57 2019 No.14342817

>>14342475
I'm sorry but what? That was some pretty anti-proletariat nonsense coming from someone who pretends to be interested in representing the working class. There's plenty of right-wing support for intellectual scholarship, if anything it's the academy itself that intends to exclude right-wingers not the other way around.

There's certainly a base of low-IQ bottom of the barrel right leaning white workers, just as there is a base of low-IQ racially ambiguous welfare queens supporting the left. This worker class isn't exactly who is worth talking to for any movement (which is ironically one of the main reasons contemporary right wingers tend to be anti-democratic and anti-capitalist because of how vulnerable the population of uninformed and uninterested parties to manipulation by those with the kind of power the modern progressive technocapitalist regime has).

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 14:55:31 2019 No.14342919

>>14342758
Sure. And now, we may ask, what is the reason that women don't often make the choice to go into the sciences or engineering? Is it because women have an inherent biological lack of interest in these fields? Or is it because society largely considers certain jobs more fitting for males (or females) which discourages women from entering in certain fields?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 14:58:38 2019 No.14342932 >>14342919 Who in society is pullung these leverz? WHO is it stopping femoids from being stembugs? Be specific. Do you think people actually care if some femoid wants to stare at beakers all day? Who is this evil society?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 15:00:20 2019 No.14342942 >>14342932 Who is phone?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 15:04:50 2019 No.14342965 File: 143 KB, 620x523, F665A03E-8A04-4B89-88D7-E63BCD5B6B11.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14342919 Hahaha

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 15:19:24 2019 No.14343034 >>14340425 yeah p much

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 15:22:05 2019 No.14343053 >>14341610 >Binyamin Israel Shapirostein on the same level as Evola whoever made this picture needs to fucking neck themselves

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 15:23:22 2019 No.14343057 >>14342571 nice

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 15:26:13 2019 No.14343068 >>14342621 >Why is lefty/pol/ the most retarded group to have ever exist? *To ever exist / to have ever existed

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 15:27:11 2019 No.14343074 File: 493 KB, 1838x2850, Hazony-The-Virtue-1556745615.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14339979

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 15:28:10 2019 No.14343080 >>14341610 This is funny because Dugin is like, the most Deleuzian thinker the right's got.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 15:38:16 2019 No.14343125 File: 28 KB, 766x950, 1564963921755.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14339979 >three threads in a row asking the same question are rightards more desperate today or is it just one baiting autist?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 15:39:05 2019 No.14343130 >>14342766 So?

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 15:43:01 2019 No.14343144

>>14342932
What do you mean who is pulling the levers, that's not how social pressure works. Society as a whole has certain expectations associated with gender (and many other things really) which are then internalized and influence our behaviour. This seems obvious.

Also, you didn't answer my question. Why do women not choose to go into sciences and engineering? Does the femoid brain feel an instinctive distrust towards these fields? Or are the societal expectations influencing their behavior? Or do you have a third alternative?
>>14342965
Damn son, libtard destroyed. Except that no one said that this homeless guy is oppressing anybody. Why don't you attack the actual argument instead of a shitty strawman?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 15:49:18 2019 No.14343184 >>14343144 Homeless people oppress by being danger prone.

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 15:53:35 2019 No.14343204

>>14343144
Yes but if you asked society if theyre against women doing these things they would most likely say no, whats really holding them back? Is the pandering towards this happening not working? Its up to women if they truly give a shit about these pursuits, we can chant WE NEED MORE GIRLS IN STEM all day but if its not working as quickly as you wish than thats it. I dont know the exact reason why women tend to not do it but being dichatomous about it is silly. Like biology might have an effect it certainly does for why women are very rare in trades and combat positions generally, its much harder to say in intellectual jobs

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 15:56:31 2019 No.14343218 >>14343144 >it's a strawman when it makes us look ridiculous Sorry but you can't gaslight away our lived experience of you people.

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 15:57:04 2019 No.14343220

>>14343144
Ok. Let's say men don't choose to be kindergarten teachers because of social pressure/prejudice. It's a silly assumption, but let's go with it.
1. Why is that a relevant problem that we need to address (before tons of other apparently more serious problems)?
2. What's the ultimate goal? Should every job have 50/50 representation?

I just don't understand the utter lack of compassion of people who whine about this, when people are literally dying because they can't afford medication or something.
What kind of psychopath obsesses over irrelevant shit like this?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 15:59:14 2019 No.14343234 >>14343144 No one is discouraging women from going in to STEM,

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 15:59:28 2019 No.14343236

>>14342558
Interesting. you familiar with Peirce's semieotic ontology? "Everything is a sign", "signs are living things", "objective/subjective is a useless distinction".
Consider the remark about objective idealism, "matter is effete Mind, inveterate habits becoming physical law" Peirce's principle of synechism, that a mind is not a discrete entity but living thing whose Life is only realized as a continuous existence within a Commind that gives it a finite Universality. It's not a coincidence that pragmaticist epistemology is justified to be finitely certain by a COMMUNITY (Peirce uses all caps). I feel that 'Community' ex vi termini melds flat and hierarchal approaches to ontology into a rhizomatous assemblage. I'm not intimately familiar with Heidegger or OOO and I don't usually think about partisan politics in terms of ontology but I am very interested in biocentric ontologies that work with all ideas and using pragmatism to mend hostile ideologies into Communities. I love my kind of biosemiotic animism, and Im not willing to jump on flat ontologies because it seems like de-ecologized(aka DEAD) biocentrism, life can't be separated from relation and remain in the realm of the living. But you might be onto something about leftists being flaties, that's pretty much the reason why I'm post-left, I occupy the rhizomatous center as a pragmatist I want the entire map to be my territory.
>>14342635
No fuck you. I was very pleased to see someone reply to my bad faith shitpost with ontology. Vitriolic assholes like you are the problem with politics in general.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 16:02:18 2019 No.14343246 >>14342664 God, and just think, some people want a direct democracy instead of the flimsy stop gate that is a republic.

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 16:19:36 2019 No.14343318

>>14343220
>What's the ultimate goal? Should every job have 50/50 representation?
I think these people don't really have a goal. They just need an excuse to whine and keep their academic SJW careers.
Even if they're wrong in their assumptions (and who can prove it really?), they don't have skin in the game, so they get to keep their jobs.

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 16:32:01 2019 No.14343382

>>14343236
>""I define a Sign as anything which is so determined by something else, called its Object, and so determines an effect upon a person, which effect I call its Interpretant, that the latter is thereby mediately determined by the former."
>"My insertion of "upon a person" is a sop to Cerberus, because I despair of making my own broader conception understood."
(A Letter to Lady Welby, SS 80-81, 1908)"
Peirce was truly centuries ahead of his age, and is still beyond our time. It's an unspeakable tragedy that the world wasn't ready for Peirce when he was an embodied agent.

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 16:59:04 2019 No.14343506

>>14343204
I am not saying that people are explicitly against women going into these fields, but rather that certain jobs are sometimes associated with the male or female sex. To take an uncontroversial example, few people would disagree that a lot more boys than girls view playing football as an attractive career. That doesn't mean that people think that women shouldn't play football, it's a more complex phenomenon related to the presence of certain role models, certain jobs being viewed as traditionally masculine or feminine etc. This seems a more likely explanation for lack of female representation in stem than women inherently not liking math. And we have studies which confirm that societal expectations may influence career decisions: https://www.aauw.org/research/why-so-few/
>>14343220
>1. Why is that a relevant problem that we need to address (before tons of other apparently more serious problems)?
Because societal pressures infringe on the individual's ability to make choices. If we believe in Equality of Opportunity, it would make sense to pursue, or at least not oppose, attempts to make these pressures less strong, especially if they are based on arbitrary presuppositions like being good at math being a boy thing. I think you would probably agree that ideally it would be a good thing (or at least neutral) if people would be able to pursue careers based on their own desires and skills instead of what society expects of them, no? And if you think there is nothing wrong with societal expectations of women not pursuing certain jobs, you would surely agree that there is nothing wrong with these pressures being lessened either. As for why pursue these goals when there are more important issues, I don't see them as mutually exclusive. There is no reason why we should stop pursuing less critical issues until we solve all the more important ones.
>2. What's the ultimate goal? Should every job have 50/50 representation?

The goal is to remove as many social pressures that discourage people from choosing their careers. This should be a matter that people consider free from societal biases. Absolute perfect equality of opportunity in this sense is probably impossible, but we can try to approach it as much as we can assuming we consider it a worthy goal.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 17:03:05 2019 No.14343533 how do we rid ourselves of post2016 /lit/?

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 17:05:23 2019 No.14343550

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Anonymous Fri Dec 13 17:05:52 2019 No.14343554

>>14343506
>As for why pursue these goals when there are more important issues, I don't see them as mutually exclusive. There is no reason why we should stop pursuing less critical issues until we solve all the more important ones.
I disagree. You're absolutely stealing attention and money from people who need it. I will vote for the most dumb fuck populist hack if I have to, to get rid of sociopathic parasites like you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 17:21:50 2019 No.14343645 >>14343554 ...Trump 2020?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 17:22:56 2019 No.14343652 >>14343554 #Trump2020?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 17:27:35 2019 No.14343681 >>14343506 >being viewed as >implying its arbitrary

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 17:46:43 2019 No.14343772 >>14342590 >Shit, I've been found out... >Better call him low IQ!!!

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 17:59:31 2019 No.14343847 >>14340001 /thread

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 18:01:43 2019 No.14343857

>>14342919
>Sure. And now, we may ask, what is the reason that women don't often make the choice to go into the sciences or engineering? Is it because women have an inherent biological lack of interest in these fields? Or is it because society largely considers certain jobs more fitting for males (or females) which discourages women from entering in certain fields?
It's because they're a combination of lazy and retarded.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 18:05:36 2019 No.14343877 >>14341610 Is there a single person on this board who can tell the rest of us who every single one of these people is without googling to find out?

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 18:09:31 2019 No.14343890

>>14343144
You're only half correct.
There is almost a 100% overlap with theoretical high-paying degrees and male dominance in colleges. It's simply because men feel a need to make as much money as possible whereas women do not. I went into stem because I believed it would make me enough money to subsidize the things I genuinely care about, whereas every women I know majored in the thing that was essentially their hobby. Women do this because they're women and they know that they will never necessarily need to be financially independent, and they would rather marry a high earner rather than be one. Nobody takes the high road purely out of an intrinsic desire.
Also ask any academic behind close doors what they think about male vs female problem solving skills and they will tell you women have worse analytical skills.

tl;dr
>>14343857

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 19:27:56 2019 No.14344275 >>14342516 Ease them in by recommending Joseph de Maistre and Rene Guenon. If the people you hang around with are protestants, I feel sorry for you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 19:31:02 2019 No.14344291 >>14344275 Why did Guenon hate Protestantism so much?

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 19:33:54 2019 No.14344305

>>14339979
The future will be post-Liberal after post-capitalism is formulated. The minorities, homosexuals, women and so forth will be pitilessly crushed. Reaction will be a memory. There's no room for left or right. The debate itself is a foolish interregnum.

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 19:35:25 2019 No.14344314

>>14342919
Science and engineering require intelligence and abstract reasoning skills that are beyond those of the average person. If we limit the discussion to math, physics and their immediate periphery, then the necessary skills are significantly beyond the average person's.

The average woman is as smart as the average man, but they cluster around the mean more than men do. There just aren't enough women who have what it takes for there to be parity in those fields.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 19:37:09 2019 No.14344323 >>14343847 Ideology cares about you if you don't care about it. Ideology is a blind god and doesn't realize it it's in the cattle car of technique along with everything else.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 19:39:10 2019 No.14344337 >>14340001 Truth

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 19:43:45 2019 No.14344367 File: 27 KB, 600x418, 1564990698417.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw im right wing and have to share my ideology with morons and pseuds like this Iit's still better than liberals, but barely

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 19:45:09 2019 No.14344374 >>14340460 >especially white america white america is one of the few parts of america that could actually be somewhat aesthetic

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 19:48:33 2019 No.14344389

>>14344314
I haven't seen any data that supports the view that people with exceptional skill at abstract thinking have a higher chance of being male, link me the studies if you have them handy. That said there is already evidence of women being discouraged from certain jobs due to social pressures, so even if you could prove that there is a biological basis for *some* of the lack of female representation, there is definitely also a cultural/social aspect to it, so I could still make the argument that we should try to get rid of the societal pressures that discourage people from pursuing certain careers, women, men or whatever.

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 19:52:41 2019 No.14344415

>>14344389
>I could still make the argument that we should try to get rid of the societal pressures that discourage people from pursuing certain careers, women, men or whatever.
Anything less than a 50% split across the board in everything irritates you tremendously? Why?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 19:54:12 2019 No.14344424 >>14344389 Do you think the studies supporting the 'socially conditioned' argument are more rigorous, reproducible, and predictive than IQ studies?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 19:55:52 2019 No.14344432 >>14342590 epick rebuttal

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 20:06:04 2019 No.14344473 >>14344389 Is there any other thing that's stopping them than "muh social pressure"? You could always just not cave into that pressure.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 20:10:19 2019 No.14344496 >>14342520 Only the fully indoctrinated see things as "normal" and non-political.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 20:10:31 2019 No.14344497 >>14344323 Man can't escape ideology, but it doesn't mean it needs to be a political one. I try to be a good Christian and that's all that matters, as said in the principle of subsidiarity.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 20:16:57 2019 No.14344524 File: 110 KB, 385x249, 63B8409B-B557-4018-A60A-50C00003B2EC.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Every single poster in this thread should be shot dead for the good of humanity

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 20:19:08 2019 No.14344537 >>14339979 If you are asking such questions you are clearly not an intellectual and are not going to be one, ever

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 20:23:03 2019 No.14344565 File: 96 KB, 625x680, e09.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14342440 >Instead of taking a stand on anything, I am le enlightened centrist Yes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 20:24:01 2019 No.14344573 >>14344524 You should be shot dead just because of the filename.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 20:25:17 2019 No.14344584 >>14344524 you especially dumb frogposter

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 20:30:19 2019 No.14344604 File: 1.26 MB, 432x498, tenor2.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14344524

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 21:39:20 2019 No.14344839

>>14344415
The percentage itself doesn't matter, if women want to make the choice of not being at certain jobs at all and have 0% representation that's fine in principle. The problem is when people are discouraged from certain jobs not because of personal considerations but because of societal biases being internalized by them. And by that I don't mean that men are keeping the femoids down, I am saying that society as a whole, both men and women, tend to associate certain jobs with femininity or masculinity, because of certain historical and cultural developments etc, you know the drill.
>>14344424
You would have to be more specific about what IQ studies are we talking about.
>>14344473
In principle yes, and there are people who defy societal expectations, but in practice it is not always that easy. Social pressure can absolutely influence the way people think, often subconsciously. So if a woman has the impression that being good at math is boy nerd thing maybe she will get discouraged from pursuing that career, because she doesn't want to be seen as a tomboy etc. You can point to individual examples of individuals defying society, but the majority is always going to care about what society thinks of them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 21:42:29 2019 No.14344852 >>14340229 Every single right winger that isn't a lolbertarian hates those spiritual Jews but sure whatever.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 21:43:45 2019 No.14344860 File: 26 KB, 438x436, 1575381451539.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14340241 Not necessarily, but then again Pol Pot did nothing wrong.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 21:45:21 2019 No.14344867 >>14342520 >Sorry pal, I serve a higher purpose Cope

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 21:49:06 2019 No.14344881

>>14340015
I delectate in how utterly swirled and nonsensical our contemporary political constellation is. Both Zionists and neo-nazis embrace Trump. You have Jews being labeled white supremacists and white supremacists saying Jews are not white . The left is censorious and ideologically close-minded, while promoting openness and tolerance. The right is confused with itself, locked in a suspended qubit like state of undecidability between nascent fascism and traditional values conservatism that teaches that fascism is a great evil. None of it add up. None of it makes sense, and in some ways that is a blessing. Politics is for fools and the powerful. The fact it is so confused and clouded means none of its factors can assemble into truly destructive arrangements.

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 21:56:49 2019 No.14344900

Woah there you posted a lot of cringe takes and they spared him no expense. Retardless, pointing out Darwinism is a decent observation.
Herbert Spencer is a big influence for right wingers huh? That's perfect! An unlearned man who became massively popular with a plebian audience who gained a folk understanding of evolution through his unscientific conjectures and second rate theory of evolution that was NOT inspired by Darwin beyond the 'survival of the fittest' appropriation, was never taken as serious evolutionary science, and was commonly dabbed on by every intellectual under the sun. It's interesting that you mention the social sciences and humanities denying Darwinism, when people like Veblen applying Darwinism to socioeconomic theories helped to originate social determinism, Dawkins, E.O Wilson, Pinker, etc all apply Darwinism to social theories, like Spencer their popularity comes from a lay audience and hacks and not so much. It's funny that you mention Marxism, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about, see The Dialectical Biologist by Richard Levins and Richard Lewontin, as for Christianity I vehemently agree with cs Peirce that agape as in the gospel expresses an evolutionary process of the highest variety, and that adaptation by fortuitous chance as in (neo)Darwinism fails to describe evolution sufficiently.
So yes, right wingers have a folk understanding of the adaptionist program that they haphazardly suppose to describe social life when it confirms their ideology.
EDUCATION is incredibly important. you seem like a very smart person, yet you post obviously wrong cringe like a retard. This could be fixed with pedagogy, and if you don't accept that assertion, you must accept that you are biologically determined to be a retard and there is nothing you can do about it. I do not believe that, if you bothered to learn about what you are talking about before you jerk yourself off on /lit/ you wouldn't be such an idiot.

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 22:09:39 2019 No.14344960

>>14340519
Woah there you posted a lot of cringe takes and they spared him no expense. Retardless, pointing out Darwinism is a decent observation.
Herbert Spencer is a big influence for right wingers huh? That's perfect! An unlearned man who became massively popular with a plebian audience who gained a folk understanding of evolution through his unscientific conjectures and second rate theory of evolution that was NOT inspired by Darwin beyond the 'survival of the fittest' appropriation, was never taken as serious evolutionary science, and was commonly dabbed on by every intellectual under the sun. It's interesting that you mention the social sciences and humanities denying Darwinism, when people like Veblen applying Darwinism to socioeconomic theories helped to originate social determinism, Dawkins, E.O Wilson, Pinker, etc all apply Darwinism to social theories, like Spencer their popularity comes from a lay audience and hacks and not s
so much from intellectuals. It's funny that you mention Marxism, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about, see The Dialectical Biologist by Richard Levins and Richard Lewontin, as for Christianity I vehemently agree with cs Peirce that agape as in the gospel expresses an evolutionary process of the highest variety, and that adaptation by fortuitous chance as in (neo)Darwinism fails to describe evolution sufficiently.
So yes, right wingers have a folk understanding of the adaptionist program that they haphazardly suppose to describe social life when it confirms their ideology.
EDUCATION is incredibly important. you seem like a very smart person, yet you post obviously wrong cringe like a retard. This could be fixed with pedagogy, and if you don't accept that assertion, you must accept that you are biologically determined to be a retard and there is nothing you can do about it. I do not believe that, if you bothered to learn about what you are talking about before you jerk yourself off on /lit/ you wouldn't be such an idiot.
Here listen to Will Durant tell you a story about Spencer's life, he is a cringe worthy pleb turned dilettante just like the very best "right wing intellectuals that post here. It really is glorious, Spencer is brutally BTFO just by his own biography. The fact that ancaps and Nazis love him is very telling.
https://youtu.be/7Gf1qbuSp_I

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 22:52:03 2019 No.14345143

>>14344900
>Herbert Spencer is a big influence for right wingers huh? That's perfect! An unlearned man who became massively popular with a plebian audience who gained a folk understanding of evolution through his unscientific conjectures and second rate theory of evolution that was NOT inspired by Darwin beyond the 'survival of the fittest' appropriation, was never taken as serious evolutionary science, and was commonly dabbed on by every intellectual under the sun.
It's revealing that you immediately try to delegitimize Spencer and attack his credibility on the subject of evolution instead of engaging with the manifest reality of his influence and his clear and early expression of ideas that still permeate right wing politics.
>It's interesting that you mention the social sciences and humanities denying Darwinism, when people like Veblen applying Darwinism to socioeconomic theories helped to originate social determinism, Dawkins, E.O Wilson, Pinker, etc all apply Darwinism to social theories, like Spencer their popularity comes from a lay audience and hacks and not so much.
I'm not sure what point you are even making here. Social determinism having its origins in Darwinism is a digression that doesn't even undermine anything I said. It's evident that this sort of thinking is dominant in certain sections of academia and political activism where it has become an obstacle to thinking and to multi-disciplinary approaches to problem solving which may provide more options, different ways of framing or thinking about problems, and better ideas for resolving issues. Maligning a handful of popular authors is also irrelevant, and is juicy as hell because amidst your wanky diatribes against Spencer you have inadvertently stumbled on using Veblen as an example (Veblen was himself influenced by Spencer).
>It's funny that you mention Marxism, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about
I have first-hand experience of English professors (a self-professed Marxist and a self-professed Feminist) misapprehending the theory of evolution and making stunningly naive claims about topics they clearly didn't understand. Additionally, popular activism (the bottom-up phenomenon, not the "name some marxist academics who believe what you say" schtick) does not have the same nuanced ideas about evolution and biology that others may have articulated, nor a valid critique of it. The overriding incentives and ideas are to presuppose social phenomena and social intervention is more powerful than it really is. The most obvious reason that these social determinist attitudes are naive is that "evolution" operates on longer timescales than a single lifetime, and therefore the capacity to use social change to overturn the effects of the behaviour of past generations is necessarily limited.

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 22:55:59 2019 No.14345156

>>14344960
>Spencer’s reputation has never fully recovered from Moore and Hofstadter’s interpretative caricatures, thus marginalizing him to the hinterlands of intellectual history, though recent scholarship has begun restoring and repairing his legacy. Happily, in rehabilitating him, some moral philosophers have begun to appreciate just how fundamentally utilitarian his practical reasoning was. And some sociologists have likewise begun reassessing Spencer.
>Intellectual history is forever being rewritten as we necessarily reinterpret its canonical texts and occasionally renominate marginalized thinkers for canonical consideration. Changing philosophical fashions and ideological agendas invariably doom us to reconstructing incessantly our intellectual heritage regardless the discipline.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/spencer/

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 22:58:37 2019 No.14345169

>>14344900
>>14344960
Framing everything as a social problem is often a dishonest way to accrue power to academic disciplines and people that don't actually contribute value or have a practical method to resolve the problems they identify. The whole psychopathic "a crisis is an opportunity" mindset. It's mere rent-seeking faggotry.
>EDUCATION is incredibly important. you seem like a very smart person, yet you post obviously wrong cringe like a retard. This could be fixed with pedagogy, and if you don't accept that assertion, you must accept that you are biologically determined to be a retard and there is nothing you can do about it.
You claim that if I don't accept social determinism 100% I must accept biological determinism 100%. Yet I'm the retard?
>I do not believe that, if you bothered to learn about what you are talking about before you jerk yourself off on /lit/ you wouldn't be such an idiot.
Nevertheless, mine is probably one of the best answers to the actual OP though, so I can at least take comfort in being the king of the jerkoffs.

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 23:05:36 2019 No.14345197

>>14343506
>that doesn't mean that people think that women shouldn't play football
That's exactly what it means, and it has nothing to do with gender roles, have you seen a woman play football? They're just awful at it and it's painful to watch, and the same could be said for women in STEM

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 23:07:43 2019 No.14345203 >>14340015 Shapiro is a slack jawed faggot pussy Jew who’s too scared to debate non college students his fanboys are probably the same. Pretentious basedboys

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 23:40:56 2019 No.14345339 >>14339979 No one thinks you’re an intellectual if you are a right winger, no matter what you read.

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 23:43:17 2019 No.14345348

>>14345143
>It's revealing that you immediately try to delegitimize Spencer and attack his credibility on the subject of evolution instead of engaging with the manifest reality of his influence
The only thing it reveals is that you struggle to relate my response to the portion of your original post I was responding to without the aid of greentext. Quick reminder; that portion of my response was referring to this,
>follow the development of "Darwinism" as an intellectual tradition. It arose in the 19th century and inspired the proto-libertarian thought of Herbert Spencer
I am justified in pointing out that Spencer's evolutionary theories are not Darwinian, were developed independently of Darwinism, and we're definitely NOT part of the '"intellectual tradition" of Darwinism. You did not say follow the "intellectual tradition" of Spencerianism, you said Darwinism, Spencer is not a darwinist, so using Spencer's influence as evidence for your claim
>Darwinism in general has turned out to be a very "right wing" thing
Is absurd, your claim that Darwinism is applied to markets is closer to true, but that's not very right wing because the most prominent people who did that are as liberal as can be or even left leaning like Veblen.
>engaging with the manifest reality of his influence and his clear and early expression of ideas that still permeate right wing politics.
That is exactly what I did in pointing out that Spencer's popularity was given by lay people and not an "intellectual tradition", hence it's not acceptable to claim that Spencer's popularity with right wingers is a product of intellectualism.
>I'm not sure what point you are even making here. Social determinism having its origins in Darwinism is a digression that doesn't even undermine anything I said.
You said
>they actively deny evolution, and biology. One reason they do this is that it is in the interests of humanities and social science academics
to treat everything as a "social problem"
Not only do social theorist NOT deny evolutionary, they are applying Darwinism in their theories.
> handful of popular authors is also irrelevant
The point is they are darwinists that are not right wingers
> you have inadvertently stumbled on using Veblen as an example.
There is nothing inadvertent about that, I intentionally mentioned Veblen BECAUSE he is influenced by Spencer and not only is he not a right winger, he also theorized social ills from an evolutionary perspective, and like the right wingers influenced by Spencer, HE IS A SOCIAL ENGINEER.
>When everything is a social problem, you can endlessly prescribe your preferred social engineering solutions.
Do you have any idea how ridiculous this is when you are siding these people against Spencer?
>I have first-hand experience of English professors (a self-professed Marxist and a self-professed Feminist)
>not the "name some marxist academics" schtick
Hypocrisy

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 23:46:34 2019 No.14345366 >>14344881 Good post >>14344900 Cringe post

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 23:47:41 2019 No.14345376

>>14345143
>The most obvious reason that these social determinist attitudes are naive is that "evolution" operates on longer timescales than a single lifetime
>"Evolution"
I could deal with your dumb opinions, but your idiotic use of scare quotes and parentheses, and cringeworthy stilted language is too much for me. you obvious autistic teenager, IM DONE

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 00:02:02 2019 No.14345451 >>14340316 Liberals think they're rebels but they hold the exact same views as Burger King and Raytheon.

Anonymous Sat Dec 14 01:51:27 2019 No.14345920
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>>14343236
Sorry for replying so late, just got back to /lit/ and hope you can see

I agree very much on “Community” as mending the flat and hierarchical approaches to ontology. I will definitely check out Peirce, but are there any readings you can recommend about biocentric ontologies? I’m unfamiliar with the concept. For me, Heidegger didn’t make sense until I watched Mark Blitz’s interview with Bill Kristol about Heidegger. Harman Graham’s “Tool-Being: Heidegger and the Metaphysics of Objects.” is also really good for both heidegger and OOO. Also, fuck>>14342635
t. Communitarian monarchist

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 01:55:25 2019 No.14345934 >>14344496 >Implying I haven't ascended beyond the political Pssh, nothing personal kiddo

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 02:21:13 2019 No.14346037 >>14342440 That's not what he said

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 02:25:25 2019 No.14346046 >what books can I read that will make people see me as an intellectual? I hope you're still in high school

Anonymous Sat Dec 14 05:11:14 2019 No.14346481

>>14342919
I work in engineering and the honest answer is that the work sucks and the companies treat you like shit (despite the high pay you are often "on the clock" 24 hrs a day waiting for some shitty call that something went wrong that you need to figure out how to fix despite your department having nothing do to with how it went wrong etc.). Most women who go into engineering who make it through undergrad (with the ~80% drop out/major switch rate electrical engineering has) end up leaving within 5 years because they can make just as much if not more money consulting somewhere in business management with nearly the same skills they got doing engineering. The job sucks and the pay isn't worth it, and women don't have the same pressures to "be the man" put on them so they don't stick through that shit where as men do.

This also doesn't consider that many of these women marry men who make as much if not more money than them and then they find their income unnecessary to live a good life. My cousin is a good example, she's incredibly intelligent and did her Ph.D in Chemical engineering from a very good school in the states, but her husband did his Ph.D in Materials Science and makes enough money that she is able to raise their children while being a part time manager at an exercise center (which she does because she was bored sitting around the house, not because they need the money). She wasn't forced out of sciences because some bro culture, she saw the juice wasn't worth the squeeze and left (just like 60% of women and 25% of men do within 5 years of graduation with an Engineering degree).

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 05:15:09 2019 No.14346490 >>14345934 Yes, you with your anime and consumerism have "transcended the political" (as if that phrase even means anything). Go on back to playing with your toys Timmy and let the adults do the talking.

Anonymous Sat Dec 14 05:23:16 2019 No.14346516

>>14340001
>Grow up Kids
What you are essentially saying is that you value your hobby of reading sci-fi books about lizard girls more than the adult conversations about how to solve the problems (and even properly recognize them) of today and tomorrow. This is a stance for someone who has no hope of contributing anything valuable to the world besides being a mouth to shovel McDonalds into.

Anonymous Sat Dec 14 08:14:34 2019 No.14347001

don't worry kid just read mein kampf and tell yourself that they aren't making that face because they're worried about you shooting up the school. If you were an intellectual you wouldn't use that fucking reddit image to express yourself on a board geared toward writing and creative expression.

Anonymous Sat Dec 14 08:24:03 2019 No.14347035

>>14344881
it all tracks though. Democrats have to keep digging for woke points because they supported their selective brand of "open-mindedness" for the past 40 years and are now become authoritarian in their implementation.
Right wing conservativism used to be co-opted by the American churches to imply that their "family values" have them the moral superiority in protecting family structure and traditional sexual views. Then the Republican party had a mediocre candidate lineup and trump hijacked the American media system by being a ratings whale which led him to win an election. Now the most morally bankrupt politician to ever take the oath of office is the face of the previously morally value laden American right.

tl:dr both of the biggest worldwide political idealogies are experiencing an authoritarian shift that coincides with the gradual demographic-ideological shift of boomers/gen x/millennials.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 08:32:10 2019 No.14347071 >>14344881 >neo-nazis embrace Trump wrong

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 09:41:57 2019 No.14347390 >>14347071 right

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 09:44:26 2019 No.14347398 >>14347390 >Neo nazis embrace the most pro-Israel president in the past century who gave his daughter to a jewish husband stop lying to obfuscate the issue

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 09:48:26 2019 No.14347406 >>14347390 >Yeah man gas the dirty kikes now let's go campaign for president shlomo

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 09:51:24 2019 No.14347417 File: 34 KB, 571x334, polfags btfo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14347398 yeah Neo Nazis are pretty stupid

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 10:03:57 2019 No.14347479 >>14346516 >What you are essentially saying is that you value your hobby of reading sci-fi books about lizard girls more than the adult conversations about how to solve the problems (and even properly recognize them) of today and tomorrow. Yes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 10:06:46 2019 No.14347494 File: 206 KB, 1631x1571, 1475700620008.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14347479 >he reads genreshit man, /lit/ really is dead

Anonymous Sat Dec 14 10:12:49 2019 No.14347516

>>14339979
Out woke them or drag them to your level. Mostly black, female, or a mix of both leftist, so this will get diversity points, hate "I wore a 'fuck white men' t-shirt so Im super woke" type liberals. The writers Im going to mention hate and deconstruct liberal arguments such as "I don't see race", "trump ruined America!", and are sometimes against many remnants of femenism. Most of the writers once they're done deconstructing acusse all of these writers of being racist for having these ideals.
>White fragility (mostly the chapter on white feminists)
>Female chauvinist pigs (hates body acceptance culture)
>pic related
>Slavok zizek (PC culture)

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 10:13:52 2019 No.14347523 File: 25 KB, 333x499, 41B7xTAQ9lL._SX331_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14347516 Woops dropped pic

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 10:24:07 2019 No.14347582 >>14340316 >the only other political belief that exists besides being a right winger is being a liberal Amerifat detected.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 12:02:43 2019 No.14348087 >>14346490 >>14346516 >Insult /pol/tards >Y-you're a consumerist soiboi who reads genrefiction Cope harder nigger. Politics is a fools game.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 14:03:41 2019 No.14348708 >>14339979 Just read Hobbes then stop trying so hard, you pseud

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 14:11:17 2019 No.14348761 >>14340001 /thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 14 14:42:59 2019 No.14348980 >>14339979 soiboi projection and cope, the leftard tries to spread their mental illness on all fronts, disgusting taks your meds

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