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>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 11:37:23 2019 No.14329576 File: 697 KB, 1023x767, Jessica.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] first for hot moms

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 11:39:23 2019 No.14329587 Second for sanderfag a HACK.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 11:46:57 2019 No.14329630 >>14329450 Again I'd suggest visual novels. That would combine a lot of the things you liked, but in a different medium. Stories like a book, but in a "game" and with art and music.

Anonymous Wed Dec 11 11:50:20 2019 No.14329645

>>14329450
>I used to be a movie nut, but they are just rehashing everything for the past decade. Plus they are trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator with jokes and pop culture.
Are you just watching mainstream theatre cinema? This year has been great for films if you're paying attention to film festivals and whatnot.
If you're having this problem with movies, then I have trouble believing you've genuinely explored the other mediums that bore you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 11:53:52 2019 No.14329657 >>14329450 You could "play" a grand strategy and write a journal over the events and what it inspires. Once/if Stellaris ever gets fixed, it could definitely be used for such.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 11:55:15 2019 No.14329664 File: 147 KB, 564x924, e7891e16e7b6bfd703c6fe56392399c4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What does /lit/ think of Quantum Thief?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 11:57:35 2019 No.14329673 My ebook reader melted so i'm pretty sad annoyed rn, getting a new one for christmas though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 12:02:16 2019 No.14329698 >>14329664 It's shit. But most seem to like it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 12:10:58 2019 No.14329746 >>14329673 >melted How?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 12:31:51 2019 No.14329863 >>14329664 It's a worse version of The Golden Age.

Anonymous Wed Dec 11 13:01:05 2019 No.14329998
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I need informed help /sffg/.
I'm nearing the end of Chapterhouse: Dune.
Now, I want to complete the complete the current plot, with the honored matres which clearly isn't going to wrap up by the end of this book. But I don't want to miss any essential books in between.

So my question is: Which book exactly finishes the plot? And does that book tie in with all the side stories? Should I read the side stories? Or is it safe to jump to the concluding book?

I tried looking up this information before, but some sites start giving away too much information.(spoilers), or they only list the books in release order or timeline order, without explaining plot progression between them. Ultimately, I'm confused. I believe there are "conclusion books"? Are those the ones I want?

Anonymous Wed Dec 11 13:03:18 2019 No.14330010

>tfw you realize you can salvage a boring, nun-like character whose presence infantalizes the cast by turning her into a bossy, religious fundamentalist loli and putting a better character in her old spot
>tfw you now have the perfect vehicle for foreshadowing

life is good /sffg/

>>14329673
>melted
how?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 13:06:36 2019 No.14330024 >>14329998 Hunters of Dune followed by Sandworms are the conclusion to the ending of Chapterhouse. Be warned, the drop off in quality is dramatic. I bought both and didn't make it past chapter 3 of Hunters. Maybe I will when I get really bored.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 13:07:49 2019 No.14330029 >>14330010 why does this religion allow little girls to be nuns? sounds pretty cute desu

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 13:09:05 2019 No.14330041 >>14329746 Accidentally left it overnight on the heating pad I use to keep my cumsock warm.

Anonymous Wed Dec 11 13:12:44 2019 No.14330068

>>14330024
How bad can it be? Dune isn't exactly the best written story. I'm in it to see how far its ideas get pushed, and the wacky powers Frank Herbert comes up with. I mean really, the entire concept of the honored matres is fucking silly. It's like a hentai plot. And each book gets progressively more pedophilic.

Anonymous Wed Dec 11 13:16:19 2019 No.14330093

>>14330068
Well it's written by his son and has a very different voice as a result. Like you think something cool is going to happen as a result of what happens at the end of Chapterhouse and chapter 1 of hunters works to nullify most of it. I may be wrong since I didn't read that much, but it was really jarring to just drop what his father started completely.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 13:29:46 2019 No.14330146 >>14329658 I'm 35% in and it PISSES me off. the dude sees things miles away, or is it dream sequences, or is it that everything happens in seconds? pisses me off the way its written holy shit I hate it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 13:31:32 2019 No.14330155 >>14330146 >Reading books written by women Hope you learned your lesson

Anonymous Wed Dec 11 13:32:48 2019 No.14330161

>>14330093
I can imagine what you mean. I'll have to see it for myself though.
I'm willing to give it a chance. I have a lot of time to fill, so I'll probably get further than chapter 3 at least.

Personally, I've felt cheated throughout all of Dune so far. By the end of every book, there are interesting characters and plot threads that always get cut at the start of the new book. Either characters disappear, or the time jump changes them into something different. Or the time jump is so long that they are no longer alive. All the strong female characters suffer this. Not to sound too SJW, but it's just a pattern I noticed as an autat.
Jessica changes drastically between books. From caring to conniving. Alia is this little ball of potential when she's first introduced. Seemingly courteous and reserved while being headstrong. And then in the next book she egomaniacal.
Hwi: gone
Siona: Gone
Ghanima: Considered the weaker twin and disappears in between time gaps.
Who was that woman Leto foresaw loving in Children of Dune? I forgot her name, but I thought she was going to be someone important. Then nope, not even important to leto's character in the next book. Just a blip in his past.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 13:36:14 2019 No.14330177 >>14330146 >reading books deserved it

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 13:50:16 2019 No.14330246 >>14329556 >that pic what are are some books with laser swords/lightsabers? i only know about "Gather, Darkness" and the Star of the Guardians series

Anonymous Wed Dec 11 13:57:01 2019 No.14330284

>>14330029
she was nun-like, not a nun. she's not nun-like either anymore, she's more like Hermione was in the first book, complete with the accent. or rather, like Hermione in that weird, christianized version of the first book that one concerned pastor made which may or may not have been a trollfic on the level My Immortal.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 14:08:22 2019 No.14330349 >>14329556 This picture summarizes all that is bad about sci-fi today.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 14:09:20 2019 No.14330357 >>14330349 You're welcome!

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 14:10:07 2019 No.14330363 >>14329664 I liked it. But then i like quantum physics too and i could appreciate the book's scientific background.

Anonymous Wed Dec 11 14:14:10 2019 No.14330380

>>14330357
No problem mate.
>girl hero
No problem with that
>edgy non functional haircut with edgy color
checked
>non functional edgy leftist scarf
checked
>sexualized non functional outfit
checked
>huge firearm on one hand and light saber on the other
double checked
In summary, it's cancer.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 14:25:46 2019 No.14330467 >>14330380 If you were just here to rant to yourself you should have just started with the post, instead of waiting for someone to validate your existence first.

Anonymous Wed Dec 11 14:29:31 2019 No.14330489

I'm an aspiring fantasy writer looking for a bit of assistance. My background is entirely casual, mostly small vignettes and scraps of scenes, but I'm trying to write something more professionally.

To wit, I'm looking fantasy novels that deal primarily with themes of selfishness and I'd like some recommendations so I can hone in on how to present my themes, the sticky has proved less than helpful

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 14:30:09 2019 No.14330491 >>14330467 >blah blah blah i better than you the post If you actually had a disagreement with my thoughts you should have written them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 14:31:11 2019 No.14330499 What are you currently reading?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 14:31:37 2019 No.14330501 File: 75 KB, 421x418, [Yokoyama Lynch] The Mothers - 017 edit.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14329576 fpbp

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 14:33:40 2019 No.14330515 >>14330489 First piece of advice is don't ask on 4ch. This place is a shithole.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 14:34:19 2019 No.14330519 >>14330515 If I weren't desperate I wouldn't be here, obviously

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 14:47:32 2019 No.14330590 >>14330499 Interstellar Caveman. Its alright so far but nothing spectacular. Its basically schlock that is kinda funny.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 15:25:18 2019 No.14330804 File: 2.95 MB, 2532x1078, loton.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] good adventure for a novice reader? Sorry for shitting up your board, but I dont want to reach my thirties still trying to use vidya as a means to escape my miserable life

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>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 15:27:54 2019 No.14330814 >>14330804 What kind of gaems do you play

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 15:32:35 2019 No.14330837 >>14330814 action rpg mostly games where I can run around doing my own thing, "building" my character, spend more time travelling to quest markers than actually playing the quest etc

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 15:34:56 2019 No.14330850 >>14330837 Play the new Poe patch then lol

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 15:40:52 2019 No.14330882 >>14330804 >>14330837 Riftwar, Dragonlance and Fafhrd & the Gray Mouser are pretty reader friendly and have that rpg vibe

Anonymous Wed Dec 11 15:48:41 2019 No.14330933

@BOTNS

why was Abia and their Ascian pawns attempting to preven the coming of the new sun? or were they not, and merely instead seeking to dominate the commonwealth.

also surely as sea-dwellers, Abia etc would benefit from the new sun more than anyone else so it is their victory, no?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 15:53:13 2019 No.14330962 >>14330837 The way of the Shaman series

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 16:22:50 2019 No.14331152 File: 23 KB, 200x335, 200px-Toll_The_Hounds_Tor_Cover.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What a fucking slog. The ending was 10/10 tho

Anonymous Wed Dec 11 16:37:11 2019 No.14331245

What is the best edition of Dune under 100? I'd like to have something that is not paperback and doesn't turn yellow after a few years. Something similar to Everyman library or Harper Collins quality wise would be nice. I looked at the folio society edition but that shit is too expensive.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 16:45:47 2019 No.14331299 >>14330146 >being literate You had it coming

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 17:04:44 2019 No.14331385 >>14330882 >>14330962 ty i really hope th

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 17:12:30 2019 No.14331421 >>14331245 > I'd like to have something that is not paperback and doesn't turn yellow after a few years. Try a kindle.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 17:39:50 2019 No.14331547 >>14328774 Face in the Frost, comfy wizards doing comfy wizard things

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 17:46:30 2019 No.14331575 File: 504 KB, 600x859, kantbot.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is he right???

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 17:48:18 2019 No.14331587 >>14330041 sorry for having asked

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 17:49:53 2019 No.14331593 >>14330041 no pasaran

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 17:51:50 2019 No.14331606 >>14331575 Those wizards used to summon sexy elves and keep them in dungeons Now it’s all female empowerment stuff

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 17:52:13 2019 No.14331609 >>14331575 >elf titties bad >boring poetry good cringe

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 17:57:06 2019 No.14331632 >>14331575 a twitter user has never been correct about anything

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 17:59:30 2019 No.14331643 >>14331575 No because you should read Hodgson instead of Morris.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 18:03:34 2019 No.14331658 >>14329556 Fuck female authors Fuck Chinese shit Fuck litrpg autism Fuck grimdark Fuck trilogies Fuck series Fuck politics Fuck elves Fuck detailed magic systems

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 18:07:55 2019 No.14331680 >>14331575 He's right, but there's nothing wrong about elf titties. Poul anderson loved them and he wrote dinofantasy

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 18:09:29 2019 No.14331691 File: 2.07 MB, 2300x1900, 1569473458623.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14331658 >Fuck elves If only I could.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 18:19:32 2019 No.14331733 >>14331658 what is left

Anonymous Wed Dec 11 18:19:36 2019 No.14331734

So I was reading Dune and I got to the shield practice part. The whole "only slow objects can pass through the shield" was so dumb that I had to look up a visual representation of a Dune fight (I watched the one in the tv show) and it was even more stupid. You're supposed to fake a fast attack while slowly moving your other hand in the hopes that your enemy doesn't notice, as if he's not fully aware that his shield will reflect the fake fast attack anyways. Apparently they get rid of shields in Arrakis so why the fuck did Herbert waste a whole chapter describing all of this stupid bullshit?

Anonymous Wed Dec 11 18:22:19 2019 No.14331744

>>14331734
Because Dune is retarded. He just wanted high fantasy elements in a sci-fi setting so needed to justify why high tech couldn't be used to easily evaporate people, which would have negated any kind of interesting battles that could take place.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 18:22:36 2019 No.14331747 >>14331734 probably to justify the lack of gunfights and emphasize hand to hand combat

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 18:40:40 2019 No.14331835 is lotr much better appreciated if preceded by a read of the hobbit? i want to read lotr first but im not sure if ill miss on many references. or will i get them once i read the hobbit?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 18:42:13 2019 No.14331848 >>14330804 nothing wrong with using vidya for that

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 18:49:45 2019 No.14331891 >>14331835 Read the hobbit. It's a genuinely good read.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 18:51:58 2019 No.14331912 Are gene wolfes book of long and short sun good? nobody seems to mention them obviously because of new sun. they take place in the same setting as new sun, right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 18:53:44 2019 No.14331929 >>14331835 anything important that happens in the hobbit is explained in lotr.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 19:00:35 2019 No.14331967 File: 569 KB, 703x1000, fabian_x_carries_naani-5-1000-1000-100.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14331643 Based

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 19:05:31 2019 No.14331986 File: 335 KB, 1080x1350, 1573374527593.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Does anyone have that america bear meme image applied to the hegemony in the hyperion cantos?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 19:10:15 2019 No.14332011 >>14329576 How can we purge mommyfags from this general?

Anonymous Wed Dec 11 19:18:24 2019 No.14332053
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What the fuck, Christopher Paolini is still writing? I was just browsing, and apparently he's releasing a book next year. It sounds generic as fuck still, but I wonder if he's improved.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 19:20:04 2019 No.14332065 >>14332053 Nice female protag lol

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 19:22:05 2019 No.14332075 >>14332053 >Kira navarez Haha

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 19:40:15 2019 No.14332179 >>14331835 The Hobbit is a children's book, LoTR is for when they grew up. I think you should definitely read both, but some people get upset reading children's books and can't recalibrate them. If that's you, don't read it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 19:56:32 2019 No.14332248 >>14332053 >Christopher Paolini is still writing? Why wouldn't he be?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 20:02:50 2019 No.14332287 >>14332011 you can't, just embrace it

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 20:36:16 2019 No.14332450 >>14332248 Outgrew it, got embarrassed by his youthful spew, got a real job

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 20:41:08 2019 No.14332467 >>14332450 He made money off his youthful spew. No reason to think he can't make money off of his adult spew.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 20:44:29 2019 No.14332486 >>14331912 Long Sun is ok, Short Sun is god-tier but you relies heavily enough on Long Sun for background that you pretty much have to read Long Sun first. Basically Long Sun is a 1200-page prequel to the "actual" story, Short Sun. Worth it imo.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 21:05:47 2019 No.14332630 >>14332450 >got a real job Nigga he's rich. He can publish books for the rest of his life, even if nobody buys them, and still live comfortably.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 21:24:51 2019 No.14332728 >>14331575 Reddit-tier observation

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 21:31:29 2019 No.14332766 >>14332728 reddit doesn't even know who Lord Dunsany is

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 21:31:37 2019 No.14332767 >>14332450 >>14332467 >>14332630 He only got published in the first place because his parents are both rich and connected to the industry. Doesn't matter what trust fund babies do with their life, they're set regardless.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 23:17:15 2019 No.14333338 >>14330813 Saved. But where is Tampa? You have the stand and king queen knave.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 23:23:50 2019 No.14333373 >>14331986 Make it yourself. We have a dune, Lightbringer, malazan, red rising and sanderson freedom bear. Make a Hyperion one if you want.

Anonymous Wed Dec 11 23:26:06 2019 No.14333384
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>>14329556
What’s a fantasy book that doesn’t feel like it was written for adhd-addled marvel fans, looking at you Sanderson.

I like Pratchett, Tolkien and I enjoyed the character dynamic in Locke Lamora, give me some recs, a bonus if the prose isn’t shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 23:31:41 2019 No.14333394 >>14333384 The Worm Oroborous

Anonymous Wed Dec 11 23:52:50 2019 No.14333487
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The conclusion to the best fantasy of the last 10 years came out yesterday and I can’t read it since I have a newborn to feed every two hours. But having a son is fucking awesome

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>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 23:53:55 2019 No.14333494 >>14333487 Sell me on the series, I've never heard of it.

Anonymous Wed Dec 11 23:54:35 2019 No.14333499
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I believe BRANDON SANDERSON has a foot fetish. My reason for believing this is because I have a foot fetish so I pick up on things most humans do not. Take for instance the ever shitty House of Cards. Now, I do not like this show (House of Cards) but I did sit through 4 seasons of that crap hoping it would get better, and in that time I noticed numerous examples of blatant foot fan service. It is a good fetish to pander to because it occupies a gray area due to the lack of nudity, which is why its perfect for a guy like BRANDON SANDERSON. Reading Mistborn, I can't help but notice how many times we are reminded of Vin's cute bare footedness. She's barefoot on the roof, toes clutching the edge. She's barefoot on cobblestone, only to walk on marble. Vin walked to his bed BAREFOOT, making no sound. Of course the obvious explanation (for the mundane majority of men) is that Vin is a Mistborn -- a thief -- and strives to remain quiet. She has to make lots of sacrifices due to the magneto magic of BRANDON SANDERSON'S world, such as never wearing toe rings or anklets (unless they are wooden or something) but I do not believe this is the sole reason for the foot prose on display in these books. The author (BRANDON SANDERSON) has fueled my spirit with his depiction of Vin. I have a hard time getting through the pages when I keep seeing examples of her beautiful foot-based dexterity, yet its these very passages that push me further on. I see visions of Vin toying with Elend, giving her man a royal footjob that any king would crave with her expertly trained toes. I think about Vin embarrassed, painting her toe nails to match her dress while Zane watches from the window. I think about her wearing glass slippers to show off her new feminine toes at the balls! Oh what a sight to behold! I am not even on the third book so I can't begin to imagine how much footy goodness is still to come. Anyway, these are my reasons for suspecting BRANDON SANDERSON has a foot fetish.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 23:55:36 2019 No.14333503 >>14333487 >and I can’t read it since I have a newborn to feed every two hours. Are you a gril? You must be if you are breast feeding every 2 hours, and you like YA-esque books.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 00:04:40 2019 No.14333536 >>14330813 Thanks senpai

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 00:11:24 2019 No.14333568 >>14333503 All Sci-Fi/Fantasy is YA-esque

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 00:25:03 2019 No.14333622 >>14333568 Latro in the Mist?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 00:29:23 2019 No.14333642 >>14333338 i tried reading it and couldn't continue i just hated the writing style so i didnt deem it worthy. if you want to the modify the chart to include it go ahead.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 00:30:28 2019 No.14333646 >>14331152 >What a fucking slog. Take that back! It was great, it being bad is a dumb meme.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 00:32:16 2019 No.14333655 >>14333503 Bottle feeding exists.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 00:44:41 2019 No.14333716 >>14333646 Erickson in general is a slog with glimpses of payoff

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 00:47:26 2019 No.14333725

>>14332766
Doesn't change the fact that this twitter motherfucker is tooting the shit encrusted horn that blares "DAE THINK OLD FANTASY BETTER THAN NEW FANTASY" when old fantasy has mounds of the shit this dude is bemoaning on the right side of the image

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 00:52:09 2019 No.14333750
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So I finished Shadow of the Torturer recently, and it just... stops? He yanks some guy off a horse and that's the end of the book. I know it's part of a series but I've never seen a book end so abruptly and with such an inconsequential event. Was this originally one large book that was split up or something?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 00:58:02 2019 No.14333775 >>14333568 >All Modern Sci-Fi/Fantasy is YA-esque ftfy

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 01:12:27 2019 No.14333847

>>14333750
>Was this originally one large book that was split up or something?
Yes. There's an abrupt end + time gap between the books. Allegedly this may have been Wolfe expressing his disapproval with the publisher breaking it up into separate volumes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 01:12:52 2019 No.14333854 >>14333655 Imagine doing something you know will make your child less intelligent.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 01:24:11 2019 No.14333908 >>14333494 Immortals and time travel shenanigans. Has a tone very similar to the wheel of time, if that’s your thing, but condensed down to three books.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 01:27:28 2019 No.14333922 >>14333854 Breast pumps exist

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 01:44:04 2019 No.14333992 >>14333922 This

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 01:48:04 2019 No.14334004

>>14333494
Religious and philosophical undertones. The main battle is between one group who is trying to break from a past and future that can’t be changed, part of God’s plan. And another who wants “true freedom.” Very fresh take on fantasy tropes. Has the epic feel which is why brainlets compare it to wheel of time which I don’t really see much of a connection other than said epic feel.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 01:52:56 2019 No.14334028 >>14334004 Unclear if troll, idiot, or both.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 01:56:33 2019 No.14334050 >>14334028 Care to elaborate?

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 01:56:35 2019 No.14334051
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just read space viking lads, first book of his i've read. liked it quite a lot, preferred the early-mid stages more than the marduk sections, though. what do you guys think? what other books of his should i read?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 02:07:04 2019 No.14334086 >>14333503 No I’m helping my wife who is breastfeeding every two hours. You know like a good father and husband.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 02:08:25 2019 No.14334089 >>14334086 you should be able to get at least a page or two done in between. me? i read a little over one page an hour but for you maybe very

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 02:10:12 2019 No.14334095 >>14334050 >Very fresh take on fantasy tropes Alone gives it away.

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 02:28:27 2019 No.14334170

>>14334095
The overlying struggle that I described is a fresh one. There’s plenty of fantasy tropes that have been used hundreds of times in the books. Feel free to point out a fantasy series or book that has the free will vs part of a creators plan overarch. Then when you can’t fuck off in disgrace.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 02:29:38 2019 No.14334176 >>14334089 I don’t like reading just a page or two at a time. Hard to get immersed when you keep stopping and starting

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 02:29:51 2019 No.14334178 >>14334170 Mistborn

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 02:31:49 2019 No.14334187

>>14334176
well you have to take a break eventually. sometimes i read a whole chapter in one day but that means i held in shit and poop and didn't eat and severely dehydrated especially after i leave the wash room because i emptied what little fluid my body was using for sustenance

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 02:32:14 2019 No.14334188 >>14334178 While we're on the subject anyone else thinks Sanderson should have retained the Ocean's 11 feel of the first book instead of killing off the best character and going full STAR CROSSED LOVERS?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 02:33:42 2019 No.14334192 >>14334188 the whole point was to kill the lord ruler tho so it would be strange if he lived

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 02:34:56 2019 No.14334195 >>14334170 The struggle against fate is extremely common.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 02:35:42 2019 No.14334198 >>14334192 I was talking about Kelsier tho.

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 02:36:12 2019 No.14334199

>>14334178
I read the first two mistborns and that wasn’t the case at all. Unless that fat fuck Mormon went a completely different direction with the third book and beyond you’re full of shit or an idiot with horrible reading comprehension. So which is it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 02:37:04 2019 No.14334203 >>14334199 >So which is it? you need to keep reading

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 02:38:21 2019 No.14334207 >>14334195 It’s not fate it’s a creators laid out plan. Fate is a generic phrase that can mean a lot of things.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 02:39:41 2019 No.14334212 >>14334203 I won’t so spoiler it or admit you’re wrong and finally fuck off

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 02:40:20 2019 No.14334214 >>14334198 he really didn't have much room for growth tho. the actual blunder of the series is not letting Elend die at the Well so Vin would have to contest with high court politics. instead we got 2x the anime flying garbage

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 02:41:38 2019 No.14334217 >>14334212 nah i'll let you read it, i think it would do you some good and maybe relieve some of the hate from your heart

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 02:43:17 2019 No.14334223 >>14334214 Personally I would also have flashed out Ruin and Preservation's motives and characters more. They're vital to the story and we don't even know who the fuck they are and what did actually happen by the end of the first trilogy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 02:45:08 2019 No.14334227 >>14334223 they come out of nowhere, hence why other anon has no idea they even exist

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 02:49:14 2019 No.14334236 >>14334217 Lol that’s what I thought. Now fuck off and die

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 02:49:55 2019 No.14334239

>>14334207
Greek, Roman, Norse, or really any mythology.

I'm lazy, so here:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KillTheGod

There's plenty of science fiction that does the same.

I'm sure I could find more examples, but it's late for me.

It's also common outside of books as well.

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 02:55:53 2019 No.14334253

>>14334239
>>14334239
>thanos killing Loki is one of the examples.
Lol no dude. And again it’s not about killing God but whether it is better to be part of God’s plan if that means you don’t have true free will.
>it’s late for me
Is that why you don’t comprehend what’s being described to you and have such a dumb example?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 03:05:59 2019 No.14334281 >>14334236 have fun denying yourself the ending to one of fantasy's greatest contemporary classics

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 03:06:32 2019 No.14334285 >>14334170 My unfinished outline

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 03:11:21 2019 No.14334300 >>14334281 Stop it

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 03:15:38 2019 No.14334313 >>14331575 Wrong. His observation seems to be entirely based on videogames, which makes it unapplicable to fantasy in general.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 03:46:29 2019 No.14334409 >16hr drive >think of the books I'm reading >think of Ji Ning practicing his sword arts

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 03:51:43 2019 No.14334426 >>14330804 The Hobbit. Very easy reading but also /lit/

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 04:08:14 2019 No.14334477 File: 38 KB, 898x265, Annotation 2019-12-12 220742.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14333384 V A N C E

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 04:15:12 2019 No.14334497
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>>14331575
Modern fantasy is trash because it is written for women aged 15-25, because most men don't read contemporary fiction, not because it is written for neckbeards like he's suggesting. Fantasy was good when it was written for smelly neckbeards.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 04:30:24 2019 No.14334540 File: 24 KB, 537x402, jack_vance_boat_skipper-5ae6be2a7e24f050b560c1ca6ef145d61b5aeaa5-s800-c85.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14334477 Based triple dubs for the skipper >>14333384 Seconding Vance

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 06:24:07 2019 No.14334787 File: 36 KB, 358x540, 28475167._SY540_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] about half way through this and it's fucking awesome. highly recommended to anyone who enjoyed lord of light.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 07:10:09 2019 No.14334902 >>14333655 Why would you care to put all that effort in?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 07:19:54 2019 No.14334946 >>14334170 >The overlying struggle that I described is a fresh one Read more books faggot. Book 2 of that series shows where it drew a lot of it's source material from, if book one didn't show it enough for you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 09:45:22 2019 No.14335480 Can someone recommend good Star Trek novels? Ideally TNG or DS9 era, don't care about JJ Trek and STD.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 10:00:32 2019 No.14335536 >>14334946 Then point it out specifically you fat pig

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 10:04:30 2019 No.14335554
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Recently finished children of time and it's sequel. One of the best sci-fi books in recent years? Can anyone recommend me anything similar? In terms of smartness the only thing that comes to mind is a canticle for leibowitz.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 10:11:17 2019 No.14335586 >>14332053 >kira navárez Big yikes right there

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 10:16:31 2019 No.14335618 >>14334051 Is it actually good? I spotted a copy in a seconhand shop but i didnt purchase as dated sci fi is ususlly pleb tier quality. >>14334086 The milk is for your son stop suckin on dem titties

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 10:42:33 2019 No.14335747

>>14331835
I prefer reading the Hobbit first, but you don't miss out on anything by jumping into LotR. Tolkein wasn't dumb enough to make his stories dependent on other stories he had written. This is despite being renowned as one of the most thorough worldbuiders in fantasy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 10:50:09 2019 No.14335772 >>14330499 Finished The Road - Cormac McCarthy last night. It was alright. I liked it, but I didn’t love it.

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 11:42:41 2019 No.14335969

>>14335747
He's one of the best worldbuilders but that's not because he's thorough. Someone like Sanderson would have complete answers written down somewhere for the fate of the Entwives, what happened to the other two wizards and the eastern elves, the Wain-Riders, the origin of the Woses, and a map of Rhun, but Tolkien just didn't care.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 13:13:13 2019 No.14336449 How much degeneracy is too much degeneracy?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 13:24:42 2019 No.14336506 >>14333716 That is another meme.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 13:29:55 2019 No.14336534 >>14336506 a meme founded on truth

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 13:43:37 2019 No.14336608 >>14336534 Just speed read the Kruppe rambling paragraphs and you are fine.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 14:08:06 2019 No.14336719 >>14336608 >just skip the slog and there's no slog why aren't you working at CERN already?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 14:26:11 2019 No.14336822 >>14335772 I haven't read that but I watched the movie and I find it odd to consider that science fiction or fantasy.

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 14:54:18 2019 No.14336955

So I just finished A Memory Called Empire by Arkady Martine. Maybe my standards are getting lower as I age, but that was unironically the best SF novel I've read all year. It made me feel something I hadn't since I was a teenager staying up until two or three to finish a book I was reading: an acute awareness of how much is left in the book and not wanting it to end. This was such a bittersweet experience for me and I really hope Martine does more with this setting in the future. I don't think a sequel would be a good idea, but another novel in the same universe would be something I would actually buy, and I haven't bought a book in at least five years.

That being said, I do have a few gripes. I think it would have been a lot better if we had a bit at the beginning to get used to Lsel Station and to Mahit as a character, because throughout the novel we're supposed to be really rooting for and concerned with Lsel Station but I found I really didn't care too terribly. All we get of its culture and customs and actual physicality are just references from Mahit and the little epistle-type snippets at the start of each chapter.
On top of that, I really think Martine pulled a lot of punches with the actual way the imago works. I was getting ready to be very sad for Mahit when she got the imago surgery because I was expecting her to be someone else completely once she was through, a combination of Mahit and Yskandr, but instead it's still Mahit, she just has a little voice in the back of her head. I really didn't get the same impact with all of the mannerisms. For something this integral to the plot I really think it could have been way more destructive to her personality. Instead it's just kind of a MacGuffin.
Finally, I wasn't a huge fan that the reason Mahit's imago got sabotaged was that someone was just like 'lol fuck Teixcalaan' instead of there being any sort of plot or conspiracy. That felt like kind of an afterthought. Oh, and I think Mahit acted really out of character with the unlicensed ixplanatl; I think she would have had way more hangups about the malfunctioning imago, and I was fully expecting more to be made out of the fact that that's basically another person inside of it that she's erasing. She got over it pretty quickly.

If you haven't read the book I'd highly, highly recommend it. It's mostly political intrigue and so on but I found it absolutely fascinating, and the setting was really cool too - I wish there'd been a bit more on history and so on but the idea of an Aztec-themed space empire was really appealing to me.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 14:59:20 2019 No.14336976 >>14336719 >why aren't you working at CERN already? I am dumb and severely dislike physics.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 15:03:08 2019 No.14336994 I'm running out of Burroughs, who else writes books about sword fights and spaceships?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 15:13:44 2019 No.14337045 >>14336994 Leigh Brackett

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 15:19:57 2019 No.14337064 >>14336955 >the idea of an Aztec-themed space empire was really appealing to me. Tbh the less western influences in space empires, the better

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 15:20:54 2019 No.14337070 >>14337064 I'm mostly indifferent but it was really, really refreshing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 15:24:22 2019 No.14337087 >>14337064 >tfw no space westerns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Se_cC4nvx8

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 15:25:13 2019 No.14337090 >>14337087 I'm sure there's a Firefly novel somewhere

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 15:29:21 2019 No.14337111 >>14337090 There are

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 15:32:12 2019 No.14337122

Top 1 of reddit fantasy 2019 read. I read Ways of Kings and Words of radiance. I can't bring myself to read Oathbringer. Pretty much Kaladin turns into Goku at the end book 2.

Weird Sanderson talks about laws of magic, then breaks them. Also, holy crap the books contained so much filler.

Also, one thing I don't understand is if light eyes are the most important thing ever, you would think darkeyes would be extremely rare. Its just a recessive gene, just a few population of people and it would be extremely common.

Now I have to read LOTR for 2nd book of the reddit list.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 15:43:55 2019 No.14337183 File: 717 KB, 3840x2160, 1552928726734.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Any books with this aesthetic?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 15:45:50 2019 No.14337192 >>14337183 Killobyte

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 15:46:23 2019 No.14337197 >>14337183 books don't have aesthetics, they are inferior to visual mediums and can only work with words and the formatting of said words

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 15:54:56 2019 No.14337248 >>14337197 Visual novels nigger

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 16:01:27 2019 No.14337282 >>14337248 name one good VN that doesn't center around cringey romance simulation

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 16:03:03 2019 No.14337293 >>14337122 >Top 1 of reddit fantasy 2019 ohonononononono

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 16:04:32 2019 No.14337299 >>14337293 Was there ever a doubt?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 16:12:54 2019 No.14337338 >>14337282 Probably something written by the Urobutcher like Saya no Uta

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 16:16:10 2019 No.14337355 >>14337282 >>14337338 Dies Irae Baldr Sky Soukou Akki Muramasa Hadaka Shitsuji Lamento Togainu no Chi

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 17:33:00 2019 No.14337879 >>14335536 >do my work for me No. The book/plot wasn't original, and you will continue to be a brainlet who can't read more.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 17:56:51 2019 No.14337985 >>14337879 He's right though, it was a very original plot, and the fact that you cannot name anything comparable proves it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 18:26:04 2019 No.14338131 >>14337355 there's a reason these are all named in gook

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 19:20:43 2019 No.14338348 >>14338131 If you think the words "dies irae" are any Asian language then that explains a lot about your perspective on literature.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 19:23:46 2019 No.14338360 I'm not wrong in thinking O Shea from The Space Merchants was without a doubt an influence on Martin and the character Tyrion Lannister, correct?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 19:45:20 2019 No.14338467 LOL William D Arand asked for 5 star reviews in his blog and all the reviews I've seen so far in his new series is nothing but 5 stars.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 19:46:21 2019 No.14338472 >>14337985 >>14335536 >i'm different persons I swear >please believe me

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 19:52:56 2019 No.14338495 >>14338467 >apropos of nothing Is this pasta?

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 19:57:02 2019 No.14338508
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>>14338472
Not an argument. Looks like I was right and you don't have any examples, so you're lashing out instead of just admitting you were wrong.

And it's "people", not persons, dumbass.

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 19:58:49 2019 No.14338516

>>14338467
all authors ask for good ratings. amazon promotes books with higher ratings over others when they are newly released in the categories they are released in. if a book manages to be flagged as bestseller the effects are prolonged for a longer time.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 20:12:53 2019 No.14338591 >>14338516 My favorite review is this Goodreads review. https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/15808038

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 20:19:07 2019 No.14338618

Part 1/2
I really ought to read more magazines, this is the only one I read/am subscribed to, but it hasn't happened.
That goes for most everything in general though.

The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction November/December 2019 Issue 746
PR = Personal Reaction
FP = Female Protagonist

WARNING: Spoilers for every story

NOVELETS
How I Came To Write Fantasy - Michael Libling
A first person memoir. The unnamed male narrator's girlfriend Shelley cheats on him and breaks up with him. His co-worker Jacob tells him that he's 400 years old. About 3/4 of the story is of Jacob's life. Several months pass and Shelley returns to him with a sob story that he immediately falls for. Jacob then forcibly kisses her. The kiss breaks the witch's curse. Shelley is a reincarnation of his lost love, Adrie. Adrie/Shelley then attempts to murder Jacob saying that he's an obsessed stalker and the cause of all her problems and that they were never star-crossed lovers. Jacob agrees and narrator and Shelley/Adrie resume dating, but only for a month before she cheats on him and leaves him forever for the same guy as before. Jacob, having lost his immortality, then marries another woman and dies in a terrorist attack decades later (1992), which apparently kills Adrie as well. Shelley then blames the narrator for everything that has ever gone wrong in her life. The End.
PR: Prolonged sigh.

The Joy in Wounding - Charlotte Ashley
A third person take on the story of Eros (Cupid) and Psyche set in roughly the same time and setting as the original myth. FP.
PR: I rather disliked this and don't have any interest in explaining more.

A Geas of the Purple School - Matthew Hughes
A third person high fantasy story. The latest story in the Baldemar series. Baldemar, a wizard's absurd henchman, is the protagonist. In this installment, Baldemar is temporarily a member of the Duke's secret police and they have to solve a murder mystery involving the royal succession.
PR: I've remained ambivalent about the author's works for at least 7 years, which is unfortunate.

Bird Thou Never Wert - James Morrow
A first person letter to the editor intending to publish a volume of the best works of an author that the writer knew in her youth and claims that he used an enchanted quill to become of the best writers there has ever been and that makes him a hoax unworthy of being honored. FP.
PR: Meh

gtfa

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 20:20:09 2019 No.14338623

The Vicious World of Birds - Andy Stewart
A first person story with minimal speculative content. The narrator receives the scantest of details, probably mid-late 20s and minor details about personal interests, and relates everything in their life to birds. The family has gathered to have a Thanksgiving-Christmas celebration for their father to announce that he's getting married again, seven months after his wife and their mother died. The relationship is suspected to have far preceded her death. A bird, an entirely unknown species, then attacks the family. The narrator thinks it's their mother reincarnated as a bird to take vengeance upon them. Eventually the new wife to be kills the bird with a shotgun. The End.
PR: I liked a story by this author 7 years ago, but haven't liked any of his stories since then. Apparently his stories are regularly collected in Year's Best anthologies and continue to be bought by the magazine, so I assume there are people who do like his works.

SHORT STORIES
Rejoice, My Brothers and Sisters - Benjamin Rosenbaum
A first person science fiction story about a post-human, entirely data, slumming it in a zoo of biological humans as a contraband biological human because it could be good content to prove the diversitists wrong.
PR: Meh

Evergreen - M. Rickert
A first person modern fantasy take of A Christmas Carol. FP.
PR: Blah

A Hand at the Service of Darkness - Gregor Hartmann
A third person far future science fiction story. An assassination mission of a violent revolutionary terrorist. FP.
PR: Enjoyable. I believe I've quite enjoyed almost every story he's had published in the magazine.

It Never Snows in Snowtown - Rebecca Zahabi
A first person modern allegory. The snow is injustice. FP.
PR: Eyeroll

Knit Three, Save Four - Marie Vibbert
A first person science fiction story. A space ship stowaway uses the power of knitting to save the lives of everyone on board. FP.
PR: Fun

Shucked - Sam J. Miller
A third person horror story. An American couple in Italy, who are deeply in student debt, are presented with an offer. A much older man wants her to pimp out her boyfriend to him for money. She agrees. He may or may not be someone who maintains his youth by transferring himself into the bodies of others and ejecting the current occupant, hence the title. It reminds me of the movie, Get Out, except what has happened is unclear, so it's also reminiscent of PKD. It could just be that that's what she wishes had happened, because the alternative, that it's impossible to truly know another, is much more horrifying. FP.
PR: Liked the prose, ok on the rest, though really I ought to have liked it a lot more than I did.

Not included: Poems (1), Departments (7), Cartoon (1)
Because I have a general disinterest in poetry and think the cartoons are particularly mediocre. The departments are mostly reviews of various media.

gtfa

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 20:35:25 2019 No.14338680 >>14338623 You should read this one, I have a story in it. https://thehelixmagazine.files.wordpress.com/2019/06/helix-2019.pdf

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 20:48:56 2019 No.14338739 >>14338680 None of it seems /sffg/ related, but ok. Also, you must be really desperate for an opinion.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 20:50:27 2019 No.14338745 >>14338739 Dude you have no idea. Mine actually is probably the most related of all the stories though. And it is a short story, not creative nonfiction or poetry.

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 20:51:02 2019 No.14338749

>>14336955
I'm 1/2way through and my gripe with the book is that I don't understand why there's so much conflict. Like why does a new ambassador actively seek to insult people and take pride in doing so? Why is the imago machine kept a secret, why don't they openly sell it? Ok the empire doesn't like neural enhancement, but Lsel isn't the empire.

Everything happens so fast, it would make more sense for a teen / college student to make friends and then immediately start breaking rules, but a 20 something on her first job? maybe it's me but that felt unrealistic.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 20:53:14 2019 No.14338761 Slice of life mtl w b novels are better than all this contemporary western fantasy

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 20:58:33 2019 No.14338780

>>14338749
I got that impression as well, but when I thought about it, I think that it comes down to Lsel's massive paranoia about this gigantic empire right next door to them and them keeping this uneasy sovereignty for literal generations. I think the sort of collective attitude they'd have would be extremely touchy and hypersensitive, but instead of being the sort of vacillating, self-effacing type, they go to the other extreme and make it very, very clear that they're independent and doing their own thing. Plus I think you can explain a little of it with Mahit being inexperienced, as well as paranoid given that the previous ambassador was killed and her imago malfunctioning. As for the imago, I think it comes down to it being such a key part of the station's culture. It's literally what makes them unique, and to try and sell it, especially to Teixcalaan, would be probably the worst cultural backstab most of them could think of. Yskandr only tried it because there was no other option to keep the empire off of Lsel's back, and even then it's made pretty clear how unthinkable it was to do so.

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 22:28:37 2019 No.14339160

Ok anon, I read your litrpgs or self pubs or I forget.
Super Sales on Super Heroes: I enjoyed the characters, definitely Andrea thanks. Cringed every time the stat blocks came up, but just tried to ignore it. First half of first book was fun, but then it bogged down for me. The geeking out over hardware was inexcusably awful, I HATEDHATEDHATED those parts.
2/5 would upgrade to 3/5 if stupid stuff was cut.
Wild Wastes: Grabbed it because of the tie in to SS. Fairly enjoyable, but I can only read about so many blowjobs before I start praying to be struck down by my disapproving deity. Also the bit about him absorbing power from stuff he ate seemed kinda pointless or just dreadfully underutilized.
2/5 would upgrade to 3/5 if sex scenes were reduced to about 10% of the current level
Currently reading Dungeon Deposed and I think I've made a horrible mistake. I'm just reading about this guy playing a video game so far. Seriously.
Anyways, when my braincells regrow I'll try something new, maybe those chinese cultivators or something, they sound awful :3

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 22:31:29 2019 No.14339179 >>14338131 Latin you brainlet

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 22:33:47 2019 No.14339185 >>14335969 That’s because he understood that questions are more important than answers for a story, it’s the same reason why I dislike systemized magic systems.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 22:35:47 2019 No.14339193 >>14339179 >1 name is latin >ignores the mountains of gook yeah imma imma say say not based

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 22:38:36 2019 No.14339198

>>14338745
Ok, I've read them. Since it's not /sffg/ related, here's a pastebin.
https://pastebin.com/8JVXQHLV

On a mildly related note, I read the slush pile of submissions for a college writing contest once. My roommate was actually supposed to be the one doing it, but he said he couldn't bear reading them after looking at a few, so I did it, showed him the ones I thought were the least worst for him to pick from and then discuss with the other judges. It was both amusing and horrifying at the time. It's also important to note that my opinions will most likely be an outlier, so I'm not sure how much value they will have.

Summary:
In my opinion, I've read better in the critique threads on /lit/. I would not read this magazine ever again unless I had a compelling reason to do so.

The common themes between most of these seems to be resentment and disillusionment. It's unclear if that was intentionally chosen by whomever made the selections. It's both strange considering it's a college magazine but I guess also entirely appropriate. Maybe it's just my reading of them. Definitely not my preferred sort of writing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 22:45:33 2019 No.14339217 >>14331632 based

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 22:47:09 2019 No.14339224 >>14339160 Read library of heavens path

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 23:01:00 2019 No.14339283 >>14339224 catgirls?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 23:02:49 2019 No.14339292 >>14339283 Face slapping

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 23:05:01 2019 No.14339299

>>14329556
Any recommendations for sci-fi novels with the same tone/scientific hardness as Babylon 5 or the Traveler RPG? Preferably stories where the ships are characters as much as the crew (not explicitly AI.)

Also, I'd just like to say, fuck Piers Anthony.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 23:07:15 2019 No.14339305 Is red sister any good?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 23:09:16 2019 No.14339308 >>14339292 uh o-ok

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 23:10:26 2019 No.14339315

>>14339198
I really appreciate you taking the time to read through those. Yes, mine was the first one. I am actually a girl. I was a little surprised when it got accepted because at this point it is four years old, from my junior year of college, and has had barely any editing, and I'd actually forgotten I'd sent it out. When I got my copy I read through the rest of the stories and felt vaguely insulted.
I believe my intention was just to do something fun with the idea; I get how it looks just like wish fulfillment but the idea was that of course it's wish fulfillment because it's the Land of the Permanently Adolescent. I wanted to get at something kind of beautiful because this kid is falling in love for the first time but it's obviously not going to work just because of the nature of this made-up girl. I think I could have done the ending better. And yes, in retrospect, Chey's dialogue is stupid. I recall I thought I was being clever at the time.

On the off chance I haven't turned you off completely, here are another couple of stories I've gotten accepted a few years ago: https://chantwoodmagazine.com/short-fiction-mermaid https://www.foliateoak.com/audrey-rhys.html
I haven't submitted anything in a while because I'm working on a novel about Sherlock Holmes versus the Cthulhu mythos

To get back on topic, are the other Hyperion novels worth reading? I read the first one and was mildly interested. How do the others stack up compared to the general quality of the first?

>>14339299
Drop what you're doing and read Aurora by Kim Stanley Robinson, you will thank me later.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 23:13:13 2019 No.14339322 >>14339315 >Sherlock Holmes versus the Cthulhu Mythos I threw up in my mouth a little.

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 23:19:00 2019 No.14339338

>>14339322
No no no it isn't that bad. The story is from Watson's perspective, and the way it links up is Sherlock is actually a complete idiot who solves all his cases because he has the power to bend reality so whatever bullshit explanation for how the case happened that he can come up with is what actually happened. Then he gets kidnapped by cultists because they want to use him to make the stars right. It's going to be really good. Look for my name on the bestsellers list in a couple years.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 23:20:50 2019 No.14339343 >>14339338 To be clear >>14339322 isn't me, who did the reading.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 23:24:46 2019 No.14339354 >>14339338 And Watson was actually a girl who is part werewolf, right?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 23:25:24 2019 No.14339357 >>14339354 Stop stealing my notes, now I have to rewrite everything.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 23:26:28 2019 No.14339361 >>14339315 Read the first two. DO NOT READ ENDYMION.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 23:26:57 2019 No.14339362 >>14339361 What's wrong with Endymion?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 23:27:30 2019 No.14339364 >>14339315 london?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 23:30:08 2019 No.14339370 >>14339364 Probably Belgium.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 23:30:34 2019 No.14339374 >>14329556 Earth is flat

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 23:31:44 2019 No.14339375 >>14339362 Retcons the entire first two books as "just another one of uncle Martin's crazy stories".

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 12 23:32:13 2019 No.14339376 >>14339375 You can't be serious. >>14339364 florida

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 23:46:00 2019 No.14339411

>>14339315
After reading the two you've linked, I am confused as to why you initially linked the helix magazine. Was it to show how you improved? To confirm that it was bad? For me trash the others?

The Esme Smeck is overly sentimental for my tastes, but that seems to go over well for certain people.

The Mermaid is so much better, that I doubt I would have ever guessed it's the same author of Adolescent. You've definitely got the makings of something good there.

Anonymous Thu Dec 12 23:52:12 2019 No.14339434

>>14339411
I have always had a soft spot for that story in Helix and I've also had zero meaningful feedback on it from people who actually know anything about writing. I don't trust my own bias with it. If you liked those two, here's another you might enjoy: http://journal.gonelawn.net/issue23/Rhys.php
Oh, and it's actually relevant to the thread this time.

I've always been fascinated by the ocean and The Mermaid was kind of my love song for it. Especially the really deep abyssal stuff, that's been my jam ever since I was a kid. I put a lot of love into it and I'm really glad that paid off.

On the other hand you're right about Esme Smeck, but it's also even older than Adolescent.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 00:00:08 2019 No.14339468 >>14331733 Trilogies and nigger rap

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 00:06:37 2019 No.14339499

Can someone rec me some fantasy? I only like lotr, dune and discworld, the prose in all of this new fantasy feels like technical writers recanting a power fantasy, is there anything out there with half-decent prose? I’ve read kingkiller already so don’t bother, the style was good, but the character and plot were trashy.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 00:07:05 2019 No.14339502 >>14332179 Currently writing a YA book. Theme is nationalism vs globo homo. Is it too much the my Lilly White has a brown as a slave mule?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 00:07:24 2019 No.14339504 >>14339499 Have you read any gene wolfe?

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 00:09:30 2019 No.14339513

>>14339434
I don't know. There doesn't seem to be much to it. It reminds me of a few different things, but I can't quite remember what. It's basically like a prose ode, for lack of better terms coming to mind. I'm unable to tell if there's a deeper meaning. Meh.

It would be nice if someone else provided an opinion on these, but that's probably too much to ask for.

What I find interesting that you have a different occupation in everything you linked. Psychotherapist, Veterinarian, Ophthalmologist, probably various others.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 00:09:50 2019 No.14339515 >>14339499 The Broken Sword

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 00:16:31 2019 No.14339545

>>14339513
I am really glad you're reading these. A lot of the time it doesn't really feel like anyone cares.

I got started writing in my sophomore year of college, and I did it by writing flash fiction. I set my margins in Word to the widest possible, used 10 point arial, and every Friday I would write a one-page story. I've only recently started writing longer stuff; I have a 27k word novella that I finished about six months ago, but I don't know if I'm ever going to get that published. It doesn't seem like anybody wants novellas any more. I kind of despair over what I'm going to do if I really want to make a name for myself. I don't have the stomach for self-promotion, I hate it.

I just made up occupations whenever I'm asked for a bio because it's less shameful than saying I'm a part-time pizza delivery driver. Part-time so I have more time to write. I'm serious about that Sherlock Holmes story, I'm at 33k words so far and I think it's quite decent.

>>14339499
Have you read the Dragonlance novels? Assuming you don't mind older stuff. Just the first three, all of the million spinoffs and shit kind of lose something in translation. If you don't mind something more goofy, I'd highly, highly, highly recommend almost anything by Robert Lynn Asprin. I adore his Sanctuary and MYTH Inc stuff.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 00:24:55 2019 No.14339576 >>14339499 see >>14334477

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 00:26:02 2019 No.14339580

>>14339545
I wouldn't take anything I post too seriously. I don't know that much about publishing, but magazines rarely seem to take novellas now. I know tor.com, which is a separate publishing imprint, has been doing novellas and similar length for some time. I don't know at all about mainstream literary fiction novella publishing. Certainly several classics have been that length.

I assumed you made up the occupations.
Becoming a well-known and self-sufficient author is a lot like becoming a professional athlete, or singer, or anything else where a lot of people are doing it but relatively few very succeed in making a sustainable career on its own.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 00:31:54 2019 No.14339609 >>14339576 Funnily enough, that’s a response to my other post from yesterday

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 00:34:18 2019 No.14339617 File: 212 KB, 400x441, Tequila-gunfingers-transparent.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14339609 Read Dying Earth

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 00:35:19 2019 No.14339623

>>14339580
Oh, you're definitely right, I'm just feeling a little of the old doom and gloom. I'm sure everything will work out in some manner or other. I'm definitely not doing it for the money, it's just that nothing makes me feel more alive than writing does, pathetic as that might be. I do feel fairly confident about my writing, though, and I like to think I'm at least a little self-aware of my shortcomings as a writer. I'm very weak on plots, specifically.

Sometimes I wish I'd been an artist. Visual media seems so much more popular these days.

Anybody read Scott Westerfeld's Risen Empire books? I loved them up until the end of the second one and then I was incredibly disappointed that he decided to wrap things up that way.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 00:35:52 2019 No.14339624 >>14339499 Chronicles of A M B E R

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 00:41:13 2019 No.14339644

>>14339434
>and the noise drives you crazy, war-beast, chained thing, I can tell from how you toss your head and buck at your masters
It took me ages to get my head around this sentence. I'd change the commas to full stops

>and the noise drives you crazy. War-beast. Chained thing. I can tell from how you toss your head and buck at your masters

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 00:41:25 2019 No.14339645

>>14339623
Not that guy, but I'd just like to chime in and say that it seems like you have the right attitude. Focus on perfecting your craft, if it's something you truly love to do. There's a difference between being a good writer and a popular writer, especially in 2019.

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 00:55:00 2019 No.14339686

>>14339644
I believe you, but I personally am having no trouble parsing that. Do you mind explaining a little more what caused you difficulty with that sentence? If anything I'd maybe change the third comma in the sentence to a period, but maybe not. I should mention that I am the author, so obviously I'm probably biased.

>>14339645
I appreciate that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 01:03:16 2019 No.14339714 >>14339623 You should probably be posting on the most visible websites that will get you the most views and responses rather than trying to be accepted into obscure outlets that basically no one looks at. Self-publishing is also an option.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 01:09:05 2019 No.14339739 anyone read Wolfhound Empire? i never see it discussed

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 01:10:25 2019 No.14339744 >>14339714 Do you have any examples of visible websites like that? I barely pay attention to publishing and actually getting my stuff accepted places, and I've always been a little leery of self-publishing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 01:14:12 2019 No.14339757 >>14330489 The Fountainhead. >>14333384 >>14339499 Nine Princes in Amber >>14334787 I guess I should try it again someday but experimental novels usually don't do it for me

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 01:39:45 2019 No.14339839 What are some anime books? I need some anime books.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 01:43:45 2019 No.14339859 >>14339839 Tokyo Ravens

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 01:47:31 2019 No.14339882 >>14339839 Sanderson Cradle Powder mage

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 02:02:20 2019 No.14339942 >>14339839 light novels are a thing

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 02:23:42 2019 No.14340024
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>>14329556
What are your favorite SFF audiobooks? An anon a few threads ago said they really liked one. I think it was for Hyperion?

Also, do you listen to audiobooks while doing tasks like programming or art or is it too distracting?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 02:46:37 2019 No.14340094 >writing for two and a half months >55k words >the adventure still hasn't started yet I'm starting to grow concerned...

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 03:36:24 2019 No.14340267 >>14340094 Sounds like Book of the New Sun to me so you're probably fine.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 03:39:00 2019 No.14340276 File: 566 KB, 300x300, 1455174081936.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mfw trying to figure out how to read moorcock >mfw after I figured out what order to read in I learn about the changes made between editions

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 03:42:11 2019 No.14340283 >>14340267 But BOTN sucks. Genuinely confused about how it's held in such high regard here. Wolfe's prose is garbage.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 04:31:26 2019 No.14340391 >>14331593 ya hemos pasadooooo

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 04:33:42 2019 No.14340396 >>14340094 >>14340283 >aspiring author does not understand why one of the most highly regarded SF&F works in history is praised It's like pottery.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 04:50:33 2019 No.14340440 >>14330804 Easy Go by John Lange (Michael Crichton). It's a different type of adventure, but it had me hooked all the way through.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 04:51:50 2019 No.14340444 >>14331733 anything scifi that isn't grimdork chink or a series

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 04:56:22 2019 No.14340455 >>14333384 Vance. Read Suldrun's Garden. Read it to your children (or nephrew/nieces).

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 05:36:37 2019 No.14340549 >>14329556 How's Peter F Hamilton?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 06:08:07 2019 No.14340644 >>14340024 LOTR by tokybook is incredible. All the early discworld by Nigel Planer are great too

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 07:11:45 2019 No.14340914 >>14333384 BotNS

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 08:58:37 2019 No.14341277 >>14329863 who's the author? There are several books titled "the golden age"

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 09:07:10 2019 No.14341301 entry level anon here what books should i read? interested in something not too high fantasy but not too low fantasy, something like the witcher books

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 09:08:11 2019 No.14341305 >>14340396 not him never read the book why is it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 09:15:30 2019 No.14341327 >>14341301 the song of ice and fire, a 21st century masterpiece

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 09:17:37 2019 No.14341333 >>14341327 >the song of ice and fire Already read it. It's good but overrated

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 09:19:56 2019 No.14341348 >>14341333 read the song of ice and fire 2

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 09:29:10 2019 No.14341397 >>14330380 How is it a leftist scarf? Is there a hammer and sickle I'm missing, or does the right wing not value protecting their face and neck?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 09:33:11 2019 No.14341414 Anyone got any ""new weird"" recs similar to City of Saints and Madmen and Perdido Street Station / The Scar? The stranger the better.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 09:42:09 2019 No.14341444 >>14338472 >>14337879 And I’m the other anon replying to you now. Get fucked cunt you’ve been btfo

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 09:45:40 2019 No.14341457 >>14340644 I'll check out tokybook after work today. I haven't read discworld and Pratchett in general never really interested me. What do you enjoy about it? I imagine the humor would put me off.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 09:49:04 2019 No.14341469 >>14341301 Read Bakker

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 09:56:41 2019 No.14341508 >>14341348 ok go fuck yourself then

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 10:00:34 2019 No.14341526 >>14341508 sorry, i'll get my bf to fuck me

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 10:01:23 2019 No.14341530 >>14341469 seems interesting gonna give it a try

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 10:04:30 2019 No.14341547 >>14341526 No, he's gonna fuck me

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 10:05:24 2019 No.14341550 >>14341547 bro wtf our triangle partner is also on /lit/?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 10:07:00 2019 No.14341555 Sites like royal road should not allow authors to publish if they don’t have 100 chapters pre written

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 10:08:31 2019 No.14341565 you think this is funny just because you are on a anonymous imageboard you HAVE to act like a retard? sad

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 10:09:15 2019 No.14341568

>>14330363
>I liked it. But then i like quantum physics too and i could appreciate the book's scientific background.

Are you a physicist or do you know qunatum mechanic well? Since I teach quantum mechanics every year, some books are too absurd for my taste

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 10:11:11 2019 No.14341576 >>14341565 Fool, I am no actor

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 10:15:08 2019 No.14341602
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>have to share a planet with mouthbreathers who think Star Wars is good because it's popular and the only 'sci-fi' they watch
On par with girls who only read Harry Potter and thinks it makes them unique and interesting

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 10:29:41 2019 No.14341674 File: 473 KB, 640x480, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14341397

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 10:46:47 2019 No.14341768 Is wizard of Earthsea a good read for someone starting on books?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 11:06:03 2019 No.14341863 >>14341768 Yes

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 11:11:04 2019 No.14341881 >>14341863 Yes and?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 11:14:30 2019 No.14341896 >>14341881 Yes

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 11:18:04 2019 No.14341908 >>14329576 mommy

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 11:20:14 2019 No.14341916 Redpill me on the fifth season

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 11:21:44 2019 No.14341922 >>14341916 Woke black womyn saves the world that evil white slavers destroyed

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 11:23:03 2019 No.14341927 >>14341922 wait i tought the book was good, is it actually woke bullshit?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 11:24:42 2019 No.14341935 >>14341927 It’s Jemisin. That’s all she writes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 11:33:08 2019 No.14341967 >>14341927 It's the best fantasy of recent years so ofc this general hates it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 11:33:35 2019 No.14341969 >>14341927 yes, if you want good fantasy about nibbas read Imaro or Neveryon

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 11:36:20 2019 No.14341981 File: 51 KB, 680x713, 558.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14341967 >best fantasy >wokeshit

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 11:36:38 2019 No.14341984 >>14341967 >of recent years not saying much considering that fantasy died 20 years ago.

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 11:42:23 2019 No.14342014

>>14341927
One of the most pandering things I ever read. She made sure to virtue signal every degeneracy so ham handedly it was painfully obvious they were just there so she could be inclusive. After finishing the first book I chuckled to myself thinking "ah, she forgot the lesbians, how sad". Second book starts with a completely pointless flashback that only serves to introduce a lesbian that is only mentioned this once.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 11:42:28 2019 No.14342015 >>14341981 Thess thread are full of unironic progressives, unfortunately.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 11:43:28 2019 No.14342020 >>14341981 These threads are full of unironic progressives, unfortunately.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 11:44:25 2019 No.14342025 >>14342014 >She made sure to virtue signal every degeneracy so ham handedly it was painfully obvious they were just there so she could be inclusive. can you give me some quotes? Not doubting just curious.

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 11:52:41 2019 No.14342057

>>14342025
I gave you one example. That's generally the type of thing I mean. Drawing focus to the sexuality of a character for it own sake rather than in service to the story. As a counterexample, one of the main characters is a gay man, and it actually drives his motivations and insecurities. Oh yeah, don't read it if you're not interested in detailed gay sex scenes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 11:58:09 2019 No.14342083 >>14342057 is brandon full on virtue signaling as well?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 12:01:51 2019 No.14342096 >>14342020 >unfortunately this place is full of losers who believe we should treat others like human beings. sad.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 12:04:02 2019 No.14342113 >>14341984 Then write something better.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 12:04:29 2019 No.14342116 >>14341414 Jeff VanderMeer, Annihilation, Borne >>14341301 try Abercrombie's First Law

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 12:10:26 2019 No.14342143

>>14342083
Not that I recall, though I've only read the Mistborn trilogy and The Way of Kings.
>>14342057
I suppose I would like to add that I didn't feel Jemisin was a poor writer. The craft was there, it was just painfully woke (I guess that's what we're calling it).

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 12:12:54 2019 No.14342159

>>14342096
>no one knew how human beings ought to be treated until 2013
it's not your specific beliefs that rub people the wrong way - there's a lot of people that DO believe we should treat others like human beings to the specifications you people have developed - it's that ridiculous dogmatism, that yours is the only way, when we literally watched you come up with it. You're going to burn through the rest of WestCiv's social capital in a generation and slavery's gonna come back.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 12:13:07 2019 No.14342163 >>14342020 >If 100% of people don't agree with me, that means it's filled with people who disagree with me

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 12:14:37 2019 No.14342174 >>14342159 2/10 concern troll

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 12:15:57 2019 No.14342184 >>14342174 You'd think reading fantasy and science fiction would give you an appreciation for other ways of living that are, if not equally valid, not entirely dehumanizing, yet here we are.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 12:19:48 2019 No.14342205 >>14342184 describe an alternative way of living that doesn't involve dehumanizing people

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 12:22:38 2019 No.14342216 >>14342205 "if you cannot immediately explain yourself to my satisfaction before I define my terms you are wrong" this is a disgusting lack of intellectual curiosity and I hope you get the thread deleted.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 12:27:03 2019 No.14342230 >>14342216 so what you're saying is you cant back up your argument without looking like a retard, so you're going to accuse me of arguing rudely. good job anon, that's extremely convincing

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 12:29:53 2019 No.14342244

>>14342230
Epistemological humility should be a GIVEN. You're acting like the null hypothesis is "[vaguely defined wokeness] is the only way to treat humans like humans." That is not how arguments work and you're the last person I'd trust to waste my time on one.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 12:41:29 2019 No.14342297 >>14342244 you made a claim that there are ways of life that aren't dehumanizing, but you refuse to back you claim up. im not in the wrong anon

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 12:45:50 2019 No.14342318 >>14329998 >>14330024 ok, I'm starting Hunters of Dune. Wish me luck. ! double checked the internet to see which book to read next. And I didn't find anyone saying that the prequel books were important. So I hope I'm not cheating myself.

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 12:53:06 2019 No.14342360

>>14342297
you want to get autistic? you made a claim that
>These threads are full of unironic progressives, unfortunately.
is equivalent to
>unfortunately this place is full of losers who believe we should treat others like human beings. sad.
And you're refusing to back that up.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:42:08 2019 No.14342592 >>14342360 you not knowing what "mocking" is doesnt count as a counter-argument

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:47:42 2019 No.14342619 why do cuckservatives suck at arguing so badly? Like, if you don't want to argue, you aren't being forced to engage, but if you're going to do it your second-grade cognitive development doesn't excuse you from citing sources or supporting claims

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:50:17 2019 No.14342630 get a room guys

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 13:58:55 2019 No.14342661 >>14339839 Genocidal Organ & Harmony by Project Itoh

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 14:05:08 2019 No.14342689

>>14342619
Welcome to the 24/7 culture war powered by the internet, my fucking man. Every mild jab or weak criticism is a dire attack on the identity. Every miniscule hill is worth dying on. Because of the recent rise in bullshit moral marketing, everything you buy or purchase is reflective on how "virtuous/anti-prog" you are. That is how we are drowning in this retarded song and dance routine that never ends

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 14:14:22 2019 No.14342745 >>14342689 this people who complain about even just a single gay character are just as bad as people who shoehorn gay characters for social points like that one bitch who wrote dragonspear

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 14:33:30 2019 No.14342835 >>14342745 Somehow I get the impression you care more about the latter what with how you said "Muh both sides are the same BUT THAT BITCH WHO WROTE A GAY CHARACTER URGH!"

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 15:14:31 2019 No.14343015

having gay or trans characters isn't a problem. the issue is when it feels unbelievable either because of pre-established expectations, or because its a significant element in the plot but completely tangential. it goes both ways too, like how Card established the expectation that Ender was gay early on by letting his own repressed sexuality slip into the character interactions before having him marrry Novahina despite them not sharing a single moment of chemistry as a way of shrieking "no homo!"

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 15:19:41 2019 No.14343039 >>14343015 Good point. I also appreciate that you used an example from a book instead of a fucking video game.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 15:47:56 2019 No.14343178 >>14342689 Hey when an author like jemisin says it’s their purpose in writing the book, it’s fair game to call it out.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 16:12:49 2019 No.14343295 File: 54 KB, 348x500, 5192-7900uL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Best thing he's written for some time. More engineering goodness but is let down by a very abrupt ending.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 16:24:16 2019 No.14343346 >>14342619 I don’t know cuckservatives at least know how many genders there are and don’t think a man that craves cock is worthy of celebration

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 16:25:19 2019 No.14343354 >>14342835 Gays have no place in media

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 16:34:04 2019 No.14343389 >>14343346 >>14343354 What a cringeworthy retort.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 16:47:55 2019 No.14343454 >>14343389 So what you're saying is that a man who craves cock is worthy of celebration?

Anonymous Fri Dec 13 16:58:15 2019 No.14343503

>>14343346
>cuckservatives at least know how many genders there are

no, you don't. you're an idiot on several counts. for starters, gender and sex aren't synonymous, which is common knowledge now so good job on your literacy. sex (in humans) is defined by the number of each sex chromosome, while gender is defined by the cultural associations surrounding them. even in western civilization, most cultures have historically had at least three of them: male, female and eunuch

of course, the male-female dichotomy could work for sex, except that there are numerous genetic or epigenetic conditions that can result in nonstandard configurations or expressions of sex chromosomes, such as duplication or deletion

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 17:03:50 2019 No.14343538 >>14343503 >gender and sex aren't synonymous Yes they are, 'gender' as a term was made up by a psychotic child molesting jew and has no supporting evidence in the real world.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 17:04:51 2019 No.14343543 >>14343503 >gender and sex aren't synonymous

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 17:06:39 2019 No.14343557 >>14343503 >gender and sex aren't synonymous, Lol

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 17:07:55 2019 No.14343564 File: 261 KB, 785x1000, 160B631C-EAD3-48B4-AE3E-6542401E201E.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14343503 >nooooo gender and sex aren't synonymous noooooo

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 17:12:35 2019 No.14343588 >>14343454 What another cringeworthy retort.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 17:12:52 2019 No.14343589 >>14343503 holy cringe rothfuss get back in your gamer chair already

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 17:13:36 2019 No.14343593 >>14343543 >>14343557 >>14343564 >>14343589 >samefagging this hard

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 17:15:19 2019 No.14343599 >>14343593 >everyone who laughs at me is actually one samefag Cry more.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 17:16:01 2019 No.14343601 I didn't know trannies got PMS

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 17:16:20 2019 No.14343603 >>14343599 >can't prove that he didn't samefag because he did LMOL

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 13 17:16:33 2019 No.14343605 File: 28 KB, 491x278, (You).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14343593 there may be more than two anons clapping back at your dumb ass but there's still only two genders

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