Is he right?

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Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:22:55 2019 No.14316614 [Reply] [Original]

Is he right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:24:33 2019 No.14316615 Yes

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:24:53 2019 No.14316616 >then we are not even close to what is essential Which is what? Believing in hacky spiritualism?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:25:10 2019 No.14316617 Marxism is upside down capitalism. Any system that places such emphasis on money will always value money over anything else.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:27:09 2019 No.14316621 I really wish people would stop having opinions on Marx.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:27:54 2019 No.14316624 >>14316617 It wants to abolish money you fucking moron.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:28:32 2019 No.14316626 I really wish people would stop having retarded opinions on Marx.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:29:36 2019 No.14316633 No. Just pie in the sky retarded ideology. Nothing of discernible talent or value to be found here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:32:29 2019 No.14316642 >>14316624 It sees money as having the greatest influence. Therefore money is the most valuable thing in this system.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:33:19 2019 No.14316644 >>14316616 >>14316633 Begone, materialists

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:33:20 2019 No.14316645 File: 5 KB, 257x196, 15372232.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14316624 >>14316626 >>14316633

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:33:40 2019 No.14316647 >>14316624 That requires placing great emphasis on money, you fucking nigger.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:35:09 2019 No.14316650 >>14316642 >>14316647 brainlets

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:36:38 2019 No.14316660 >>14316650 Materialist mouthbreather.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:36:46 2019 No.14316661 >>14316644 You don't even know what materialism entails. Read a book.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:38:05 2019 No.14316666 the quintessential soul vs soulless argument

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:39:08 2019 No.14316670 File: 244 KB, 750x469, 1575490923149.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14316666 also check em

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:39:43 2019 No.14316676 >>14316660 We live in a material universe and you have a physical body. Get out of your own ass.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:40:27 2019 No.14316677 >>14316667 how’d you cone up with those words, baby boy?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:40:42 2019 No.14316679 >>14316660 I'm starting to see why Marxists sperg out about idealists so hard, you're thick as pigshit

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:42:31 2019 No.14316681 File: 494 KB, 245x240, Bateman (2).gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14316666 Nice. >>14316676 >>14316679 That's not all there is to it, but I wouldn't expect someone on the spectrum to be even capable of entertaining the idea.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:42:35 2019 No.14316683 >>14316679 Of coure you would know how thick pigshit is you disgusting materialist fuck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:45:36 2019 No.14316692 What is the solution to the (((Materialist))) question?

Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:45:36 2019 No.14316693

>DUDE like capitalism and like Marxism is like the same and shit because like both are material and stuff and like they don't account for my hacky spiritualism and like you can't have REAL progress with that stuff man and like it does not believe in what is ESSENTIAL (which is my hacky spiritualism lol join my new age hacky spiritualism sekret club).
He literally says nothing here. None of this means anything.

Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:48:00 2019 No.14316698
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>>14316681
Like I said, you don't know what materialism entails. You just think its just "meaningless dead stuff :(" when the truth is it has become more wonkier over the past century.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:48:18 2019 No.14316700 File: 25 KB, 260x334, images (6).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14316683 yeah dude if we just believe hard enough that life is a big dream the real world will magically bend to our will

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:48:34 2019 No.14316701 >>14316693 He's right.

Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:49:01 2019 No.14316702

>>14316676
Everything you "see" is actually an image created by your brain based on the frequency of lightwaves that hit your eyes.
Everything you "feel" is just sensations created by your nervous system.

The "true universe" is impossible to sense using your physical senses. Plotinus beat materialist every time

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:50:43 2019 No.14316706 >>14316676 define matter

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:51:37 2019 No.14316708 >>14316698 >Deleuze kiddie philosopher >Pimple man Pseudointellectual rhetorician with a bad reading in Process Theology. He was the Sam Harris of his time. There is nothing of value in his work and you should probably just read Evola

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:51:48 2019 No.14316710 >>14316706 that which doesnt if you have a soul

Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:53:04 2019 No.14316714

>>14316702
You mistake the self-evident reality of consciousness for a self-grounding substance. This doesn't do justice to "man as part of nature", man as an integral part of a mind-independent reality. The mind is not enough to prove that, somehow, the mind also generates itself. The transcendental facts of cognition are not enough to "authorize" cognition as the author of nature. The mind is emergent within a larger totality: nature. More to the point, it's an extremely complex output of that field, but again, just one output out of many, human consciousness doesn't have ontological priority over the "prehensive centers" of simpler organisms.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:53:41 2019 No.14316717 >>14316615 FPBP

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:53:54 2019 No.14316718 File: 366 KB, 820x547, 1573371186667.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >"""whitehead"""

Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:59:08 2019 No.14316732

>>14316693
He explains in other works what is in fact "essential" in a human society. We all exist as parts of an organic whole, and, if that whole is well-adjusted and ordained according with heroic and Olympian principles, it allows us to achieve a super-individual heroic existence, thus transcending our merely individualist and material conditions.

Anonymous Mon Dec 9 08:00:11 2019 No.14316734

>>14316614
Materialist ideologies are just a response to most people losing the ability to be self sufficient during the industrial revolution. From then on, a complex system needed to be in place to ensure that the average joe gets to eat and gave a roof over their had (the arguement of communism vs. capitalism is about wether the market or central planning is better at this).

Sure when you are a baron and can live of your inheritence or estates you can navel gaze about how higher spiritual truths but for the majority the material is a question of survival.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 08:02:52 2019 No.14316740 >>14316701 Who? Evola or anon?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 08:03:00 2019 No.14316741 >>14316614 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 08:03:30 2019 No.14316743 >>14316740 Evola is Anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 08:04:44 2019 No.14316744 File: 166 KB, 500x691, serveimage.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14316743 Evola is ALIVE????

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 08:04:53 2019 No.14316745 File: 189 KB, 308x473, fourth political theory._UY475_SS475_.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14316614 Yes, the fourth position is the way out

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 08:05:46 2019 No.14316748 >>14316745 Explain

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 08:06:58 2019 No.14316751 >>14316732 Which is flimsy ideology

Anonymous Mon Dec 9 08:08:46 2019 No.14316755
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>>14316748
Third position or fascism is a false hope project because it is equally based on the premises of modernity, just like liberalism (capitalism) and communism.

It's the time to base our political theories on something higher, in the case of Dugin, this is the philosophy of Heidegger and his concept of Dasein

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 08:10:43 2019 No.14316760 >>14316751 No. It's actually based on his spiritual view of the universe, which was deeply influenced by his knowledge in Hermeticism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 08:12:58 2019 No.14316767 >>14316755 I think Evola talked about the concept of Dasein somewhere, but I can't remember where.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 08:14:07 2019 No.14316770 >>14316740 Evola is. Anon is just mad at 'hacky spiritualism'.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 08:14:40 2019 No.14316772 >>14316732 This really is just a more pretentious version of 'The Secret'.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 08:15:02 2019 No.14316775 >>14316767 Now you got me interested.. I consider myself well read when it comes to Evola but thisone went past me. First hit https://www.counter-currents.com/2016/02/notes-on-heidegger-and-evola/

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 08:29:49 2019 No.14316814 >>14316760 >based on his spiritual view of the universe which is why it is flimsy ideology

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 08:33:47 2019 No.14316828 >>14316676 We actually live in a society

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 08:41:53 2019 No.14316849 >>14316745 is the book good?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 08:42:45 2019 No.14316851 >>14316814 > Evola's spiritual view is flimsy Said the one who never read Evola.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 08:43:19 2019 No.14316855 >>14316849 It's not his best work but can in fact really make you think about the narrative within we live in. Would recomend/10

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 08:44:14 2019 No.14316858 >>14316851 yes, anything based on hacky spiritualism is garbo. nuff said

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 08:46:40 2019 No.14316868 >>14316849 >Dugin No. Read something by someone with discernible talent.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 08:54:28 2019 No.14316897 >>14316858 You keep repeating that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 08:54:35 2019 No.14316898 >>14316770 Evola literally doesn't say anything in that passage

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 08:56:18 2019 No.14316901 >>14316708 Dude one page of their books will blow you the fuck out. And he didnt have a "bad reading" in process theology, process theology literally comes from him lol. Process theology is pretty trashy tho.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 08:56:39 2019 No.14316903 >>14316614 Yes

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 08:57:49 2019 No.14316911 >>14316897 Your tiny brain and the tiny brains of the underage children of this site still dont seem to comprehend it. Sad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 08:59:26 2019 No.14316919 >>14316692 Gas

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 09:01:21 2019 No.14316930 >>14316692 Kill yourself and go to your hacky paradise or something. The rest of us who arent braindead ideologues will be fine here for a bit longer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 09:03:26 2019 No.14316939 >>14316898 > Capitalism and Marxism are both materialist concepts that should be subordinate to a higher principle. When instead they are regarded as the most important thing in a society, it ends up harming society as much as their individuals.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 09:05:16 2019 No.14316944 >>14316939 >>14316734

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 09:08:06 2019 No.14316952 >>14316944 >>14316939 To add on everything is made up from our material universe and the way we relate to it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 10:09:01 2019 No.14317122 >>14316939 >>14316944 >>14316952 ie whatever principles you make up will always be subordinate to the material conditions

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 10:10:54 2019 No.14317132 File: 77 KB, 640x480, indras_net02.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14317122 t. a guy submerged in accidence

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 11:04:09 2019 No.14317348 buttblasted hylics ITT

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 11:05:10 2019 No.14317351 Reminder that Marxists and capitalists abhor the transcendental because they have no souls.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 11:35:25 2019 No.14317502 >>14317351 Capitalism itself is transcendental.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 11:40:03 2019 No.14317528 >>14316901 >process theology literally comes from him lol >has a bad reading in something he himself invented Does it get any more pathetic?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 11:42:09 2019 No.14317545 >>14317528 He didn't invent it. People that were influenced by his thought made it up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 12:14:20 2019 No.14317687 >>14317502 Pls go Nick Land

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 12:34:31 2019 No.14317784 >>14316717 It never fails.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 12:45:10 2019 No.14317857 >>14317348 Like always.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 12:46:12 2019 No.14317863 Yes he is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 13:26:39 2019 No.14318108 File: 81 KB, 736x551, d8d09c55a89c9be205e62a2bd8a180354a8c8ead81cb7f218a606167e2e38ce9.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14316614 FPBP

Anonymous Mon Dec 9 17:00:57 2019 No.14319219

off course he is.

the problem is that no one actually cares about any particular system of wealth distribution - this is all smoke and mirrors for their true philosophical ambitions. in the case of leftists, the destruction of themselves and all white europeans

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 17:04:30 2019 No.14319240 >>14319219 No people do indeed care about that. Maybe you need to leave your mom's basement?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 17:12:05 2019 No.14319279 >>14319240 not an argument

Anonymous Mon Dec 9 17:35:30 2019 No.14319395

>Reading this faggot to sound smart while using a computer or smartphone to shitpost on a worldwide communications network, which only came about due to the technological progress afforded by Western civilization giving up superstition and adopting the scientific method. Move to India, become a Brahmin, and shit in the streets you plebs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 17:44:47 2019 No.14319450 >>14316614 no because he made a typo in the second sentence

Anonymous Mon Dec 9 17:55:54 2019 No.14319502

>>14318108
Most retarded christcuck loophole
>u gotta repent bro
>nah bro your repentance has to be sincere bro, god has infinite ability to forgive, man has limited ability to repent
>so like just pray for repentance bro now it's gods fault if you aren't actually sorry for sin lmao free ticket to heaven

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 18:00:44 2019 No.14319523 >>14316614 Of course Julius Evola (peace be upon him) was right. He was divinely inspired.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 18:31:29 2019 No.14319686 >>14316615 /thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 18:35:22 2019 No.14319718 >>14316930 >will be fine doubt it

Anonymous Mon Dec 9 18:38:41 2019 No.14319740
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Evola is right in his indictment of modern materialism and consumerism, but paradoxically believes in state control of the economy ("direction" or whatever, point is he doesn't want laissez-faire). What he must realize is that the obsession with wealth and technology is not a spontaneous product of market interactions, but an imposition by the elites. And so long as elites can direct economic affairs, they will do so for their own benefit and everyone else's loss—spiritually and materially. If Evola wants a return to traditionalism, there must be a return to the conditions that nurtured tradition to begin with: not etatism and bureaucracy, but freedom and aristocracy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 18:51:34 2019 No.14319810 >>14319740 Go weed a field, peasant

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 18:57:13 2019 No.14319834 marxists aren't even true materialists though, they discount 150 years of relevant science in favor of dialectical hokum straight out of german idealism

Anonymous Mon Dec 9 20:22:33 2019 No.14320277 [DELETED]

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>>14316614
I believe men should live simpler lives, like the amish. because the essence of living a good live is valuing our relationships, live what God wants us to live. the amish evaluate every community deciding how good is that for the community/family. humanity was created completely, there's no real progress. if its bad they ban, if it's good they take.

what evola would think of my opinion?

Anonymous Mon Dec 9 20:27:50 2019 No.14320306
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I believe men should live simpler lives, like the amish. because the essence of living a good live is valuing our relationships, to live what God wants us to live.
the amish take decisions evaluating how good is that for their community/family. they take what's good, reject what is bad. money, status, fame, glory, so called progress, technology, have no real value to human well being.

what evola would think of that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 21:35:08 2019 No.14320660 Is there any reason at all to read Ebola when you could be reading Guenon instead?

Anonymous Mon Dec 9 21:54:43 2019 No.14320738
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>>14320660
>when you could be reading Guenon instead
It is highly advisable to take regular breaks when studying Guénon's body of work. One needs to let the mind wander a little with literature that is not very taxing on the intellect and the heart. I find Evola's works to be perfect for this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 21:56:15 2019 No.14320746 File: 103 KB, 750x888, 1525996483344.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14316744 yes

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 21:58:00 2019 No.14320759 >>14316849 it redpilled me about liberalism back in my gay teenage freedom phase

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 22:06:05 2019 No.14320804 File: 7 KB, 210x210, 0012405638_41.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What is the Evolian view on the best method of establishing contact with The Demiurge and speaking to him?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 22:07:51 2019 No.14320815 >>14320746 he looks so cool

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 22:13:12 2019 No.14320842 >>14316858 Anti-intellectual cretin. Small minded dwarf.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 22:19:29 2019 No.14320873 >>14320856 hyperborean master race

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 10 01:45:58 2019 No.14321647 >>14319502 what the fuck are you talking about

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 10 10:16:37 2019 No.14322928 >>14320842 Yes dismissing hacky spiritualism is anti-intellectual...LOL

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 10 10:24:06 2019 No.14322952 >>14316930 t. seething Hylic Suicide is the easiest way to ensure that you will keep getting reincarnated in a physical body and made to live a shitty life that makes you want to commit suicide even more than your previous life

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 10 10:27:28 2019 No.14322961 >>14320804 Doing Psychedelic Mushrooms

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 10 10:27:37 2019 No.14322963 >>14322952 Wow that is some mental gymnastics and cope right there. But yeah plz kill yourself or stop being a braindead ideologue kthx.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 10 10:29:02 2019 No.14322968 >>14322963 ok hylic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 10 14:39:53 2019 No.14324326 >>14322968 what in the hell is a hylic?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 10 14:41:51 2019 No.14324334 File: 409 KB, 1399x2167, 811PSjHkFWL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14322952 Based and redpilled!

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 10 14:42:59 2019 No.14324339 File: 43 KB, 1249x637, gnostic gf.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14320804 Being

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 10 14:59:51 2019 No.14324411 >>14324339 I want this gf

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 10 15:11:44 2019 No.14324461 >>14324411 She must be terrible in bed

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 10 15:13:36 2019 No.14324469 >>14324461 Sex for recreational purposes is bad.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 10 15:16:45 2019 No.14324488 File: 84 KB, 147x170, 1530178504677.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14324469 t. a kissless virgin

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 10 15:32:41 2019 No.14324556 >>14324461 it's okay if she's cute and intelligent. I don't mind

Anonymous Tue Dec 10 15:35:13 2019 No.14324567

>>14324488
The only reason you lie about enjoying sex is because of the culture surrounding it. The so-called pleasure, complex biomechanics, and so forth involved in sex make it an inferior pleasure to gardening, drinking tea, or other crafts. You are like a Faustian bonobo and need to get over yourself. Sex exists only for procreation, and it should be treated as such. It is sacred in that respect. Misusing it for fun is bonobo like.

Anonymous Tue Dec 10 15:51:01 2019 No.14324640

>>14316734
Yeah but we live in a post scarcity society and the majority of human labor is unproductive and unnecessary.
Why should hundreds of millions of people be forced to live unsatisfied, unnecessary, and unappreciated lives when we have the resources necessary for everyone to survive?

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 10 18:17:56 2019 No.14325536 >>14324339 she cute

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 10 19:52:49 2019 No.14326077 File: 34 KB, 565x575, 1279011586367.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14324640 >post scarcity society

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 10 19:58:42 2019 No.14326106 >>14324339 Where can one find a gnostic gf who dresses like that? Asking for a friend.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 10 20:59:39 2019 No.14326459 File: 825 KB, 668x772, 1553976207119.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14326106 just hire and seduce a cosplayer.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 11 04:11:19 2019 No.14328121 >>14316642 Outstanding logic, fucking troglodyte.

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