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[Anonymous No.14314181]

What's a good book that explains how fascism is the only economic system left that opposes capitalism? Socialism has failed utterly everywhere either collapsing into a liberal regime (USSR/Eastern Bloc) or reforming to take on liberal characteristics (China/Vietnam). Clearly a nationalist-motivated martial part that takes control of the state to direct and punish the bourgeoisie is the only answer, so what books explain the theory here?

[Anonymous No.14314192]

>>14314181
>fascism is an economic system
idiot

[Anonymous No.14314206]

>>14314192
>I don't know what fascism is:the post

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.14314219]

>>14314181
Fascism isn’t an economic system you fucking retard, go back to pol you midwit

[Anonymous No.14314222]

imperium
the governance of china
4th political theory

[Anonymous No.14314228]

>>14314181
Italian Fascism and Developmental Dictatorship
The Syndicalist Tradition and Italian Fascism

[Anonymous No.14314236]

>>14314219
>I don't know what fascism is:the post

[Anonymous No.14314260]

>>14314181
The shorts could be used to worship a males ass as well

[Anonymous No.14314276]

contemporary fascists, with their random violent outbursts, are the stooges of a media driven moral panic that is ultimately designed to entrench liberalism even further but with a totalitarian aspect i.e. more mass surveillance and thought regulation.
fascists are totalitarian control freaks, not freedom fighters. they are fine with this development in general, they just fantasize about taking the whole thing over. they don't want to smash the system like some of their propaganda argues, they just want to pilot it and murder anyone they don't like.

[Anonymous No.14314282]

>>14314260
Unlikely to retain a tight seal. Women and men have different shapes that brap barons must confront without delusion

[Anonymous No.14314288]

>>14314181
THE LORD: thou shall have no other gods before me
Man: booty

[Anonymous No.14314289]

>>14314181
you realize fascism has failed utterly everywhere it has been attempted as well, right? either collapsing into a liberal regime (Nazi Germany) or reforming to take on liberal characteristics (Francoist Spain)

[Anonymous No.14314297]

>>14314181
>>14314206
>>14314236
>I think corporatism is a specific economic system and defines fascism
bruh moment

[Anonymous No.14314340]

What are you even talking about? An economy without export and import? Sounds like a country waiting to get dabbed on.

[Anonymous No.14314360]

>>14314181
>What's a good book that explains
This is the surest sign that a thread should be deleted.

[Anonymous No.14314469]

Ah yes, I remember all those fascist countries that did not fail utterly everywhere, such as

[Anonymous No.14314499]

>>14314469
prc

[Anonymous No.14314507]

>>14314469
North Korea is unheemable now that they have both nukes and missiles

[Anonymous No.14314520]

What fascist state, especially one which opposed capital power ever survived? What was the fate of Japan, Germany, Italy, and Spain? If your logic is that socialims histroically failed, then what of fascism? Everything is POWER and capital has power. Capital can only defeat itself via imminent critique, irrationality and revolution that destroys it globally. Fascism is not up to this task.

[Anonymous No.14314539]

>>14314181
imagine the smell

[Anonymous No.14314575]

>>14314520
>>14314469
>>14314289
>DUUUUDDDEE THE GOOD GUYS LOST SO THEY'RE NOT ACTUALLY GOOD
Retard

[Anonymous No.14314576]

what the fuck is fascism? :/

[Anonymous No.14314623]

>>14314181
The only people who believe fascism is an economic system are king brainlets
It's notorious for not giving a flying fuck about economics

[Anonymous No.14314743]

>>14314575
The premise of the thread is that socialism can't be an answer because it always fails

[Anonymous No.14314770]

>>14314743
Yes independent of direct hard power interference, socialist nations have either collapsed economically or reformed into quasi-capitalist states. What's your point?

[Anonymous No.14314789]

>>14314576
fascism is just state racism
the nazis wanted to kill everyone without blonde hair and blue eyes

[Anonymous No.14314815]

>>14314770
>Socialism always fails, so fascism is our only option
>But fascism always fails
>Ummmm how is that relevant sweatie

[Anonymous No.14314832]

Yes. Fascism is most productive economic system ever known to man, as evidenced by all the aircraft carriers and four engine bombers built by Nazi Germany.

[Anonymous No.14314841]

>>14314219
show tits

[Anonymous No.14314844]

>>14314815
Fascism failed because the inferior systems of the world teamed up to bring down the superior system through direct military intervention. Socialism failed without such an intervention because it was the most inferior system. The fact that fascist was such a thread in the first place is evidence enough that it is superior to either of the system that had to team up in order to defeat it.

[Anonymous No.14314863]

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.14314884]

>>14314841
Wasn’t me. But he’s right.
Fascism is to liberal capitalism what jihadists are to Muslims. They have nothing new economically.

[Anonymous No.14314899]

>>14314884
How is fascism capitalism if the bourgeoisie no longer are the be-all end-all owners of the means of production?

[Anonymous No.14314922]

>>14314181
>fascism
>economic/
okay_retard.png

[Anonymous No.14314925]

>>14314922
>I don't know what fascism is:the post

[Anonymous No.14314933]

>>14314181
>33 replies
>noone pointing out that OP pic a photo of a screen and OP is a zoomer who should commit not living
i hate everyone in this thread, espacially you, butterfag
zoomers and phoneposters should be deported

[Anonymous No.14315011]

>>14314844
>Socialism failed without such an intervention
Did you miss the biggest superpower the world has ever seen spending decades bombing to oblivion every country that ever had somebody whisper the word "socialism?" Holy shit

[Anonymous No.14315057]

>>14315011
Yeah my favorite epoch in history is when the US bombed the Eastern Bloc and the USSR and fought tooth and nail to kick those pesky Reds out of Moscow! Yeah ok you stupid fucking boomer that's not what happened old man.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.14315071]

>>14314899
How did the fascists treat the bourgeoisie again?
The only kind of fascism that doesn’t bring the enmity of the world on its head is the kind of fascism that cuts a sweet deal with the power elites, the wealthy oligarchy. Hitler a Moosey cut deals with their locals wealth, sure they threw their weight around them too, but they weren’t jailed. They weren’t gassed like jews, homosexuals, deformed and socialists. Their families survive to this day.

[Anonymous No.14315080]

>>14315057
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change

[Anonymous No.14315111]

>>14315071
Similarly to how feudal nobles treated medieval burghers, fascists allowed bourgeoisie to go about their business so long as it did not interfere with the interests of the nation as espoused by the party. Ultimately though, the bourgeoisie were not the end deciders of what was made or why. They made what the party demanded and if they took any actions to go against the interests of the nations they were punished. Unless you're going to argue that feudalism was capitalism, I don't know how you could justify saying that fascism is capitalism.

>>14315080
Oh shit nice could you point out to me where on this list it says the US marched across Eastern Europe liberating the Eastern Bloc by force before storming Moscow and militarily defeating socialism in Russia?

[Anonymous No.14315117]

Fascism inevitably dissolves back into liberal Capitalism.
Fascism was simply a temporary solution to the economic catastrophe of the early 1900s for some countries. After the top-down power structure fixed the problems, the powers that be had no incentive to try to maintain them and fascism simply collapsed.
Franco's heir may have been assassinated but it was the monarchy that handed power over to democracy

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.14315136]

>>14315111
>Ultimately though, the bourgeoisie were not the end deciders of what was made or why
Not so with Spain, Portugal and Chile
>Unless you're going to argue that feudalism was capitalism
Baby capitalism.
But as I already said above Fascism is to liberal capitalism what jihadists are to Islam. It’s not free market capitalism, but then what ever is?
>... before storming Moscow and militarily defeating socialism in Russia?
Clinton Yeltsin dealio

[Anonymous No.14315161]

>>14314276
Itt: the only good response

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.14315173]

>>14314276
This is succinctly it.

[Anonymous No.14315178]

>>14315136
>Not so with Spain, Portugal and Chile
Chile was never fascist so I'm interested to hear what you think was fascist there. The fascists in Spain never took power as Franco purged them after the Civil War so again not sure what you're referencing. In Portugal the bourgeoisie were entirely at the will of the New State and it remained this way until American and Soviet-backed rebels destroyed the empire in the 60s and 70s.

>Baby capitalism.
Are you saying that feudalism was baby capitalism? Can you explain this? How? They were entirely different modes of production, literally everything and anyone in history worth listening to disagrees with you and I'd tend to side with them because you're kind of fucking stupid and you have poorly thought out arguments that you change on a whim to try to win individual arguments without realizing that this baselessness is exactly why you always lose.

[Anonymous No.14315184]

>>14314276
Wow that hit it right on the nose

[Anonymous No.14315189]

>>14314575
Those times weren’t real fascism though..


Deluded faggot this is what happens when you drink the coolade

[Anonymous No.14315202]

>>14315189
According to who? Germany, Italy, Hungary, Romania were all clearly fascist and they were snuffed out by the combined power of capitalism and socialism because fascism is the superior system and any nation that takes it up becomes an immediate threat to both systems by virtue of this fact.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.14315205]

>>14315178
Early stages, not technically capitalism, but clearly not much has changed

[Anonymous No.14315231]

>>14315205
>different mode of production
>different owners of the means of production
>"ITS ALL DA SAME DURRRR"

[Anonymous No.14315253]

Is Marx's characterization of the Feudal mode of production still valid or dated?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.14315264]

>>14315231
>i em teh smrt. i hev lotsa dum-jack pichurs
>French cint history fer shit

[Anonymous No.14315284]

>>14315264
>no actual comeback
I'll chalk this up as another time I've made you look stupid.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.14315368]

>>14315284

[Anonymous No.14315732]

>>14314276
This. Fascists have no concrete principles, economics or philosophy outside of whatever will acquire them political power at the time. A lot of Marxists will conflate fascism with racism, but the only recurring theme with fascists is that they bait the working class into accepting authoritarianism by peddling honeyed traditionalism and bastardized virtue ethics to them and then meld with whatever power structure exists at the time.
It's sad because they tap into

[Anonymous No.14315790]

>>14315202
You know there are other crucial factors that lead to one country defeating another in an open war exterior to their immediate ideology correct?

[Anonymous No.14315984]

>>14315202
>be the ‘superior’ system
>constantly lose because of hubris, over-aggression, and lack of productivity mean that you keep entering into conflicts you can’t win

[Anonymous No.14316141]

Not even a leftist but it's kind of hard to give socialism a fair shot with those pesky CIA-backed police/military coups that keep cropping up every time it gets started