Good grief, can women write anything that doesn't revolve around themselves or their oppression? Men's lit is unbelievably varied... Women's? Not so much. The only exception I can think is Frankenstein, which I genuinely can't believe came from an 18 year old girl.

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Anonymous Sat Dec 7 08:59:31 2019 No.14304174 [Reply] [Original]

Good grief, can women write anything that doesn't revolve around themselves or their oppression? Men's lit is unbelievably varied... Women's? Not so much. The only exception I can think is Frankenstein, which I genuinely can't believe came from an 18 year old girl.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 09:01:22 2019 No.14304179 Repeat after me Anon: WOMEN

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 09:01:38 2019 No.14304181 >>14304174 It didn’t. It was largely written by her husband.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 09:02:52 2019 No.14304185 >>14304174 >The only exception I can think is Frankenstein, which I genuinely can't believe came from an 18 year old girl. That's because it was written by a 26 year old man.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 09:03:28 2019 No.14304189 Emily Dickinson

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 09:05:30 2019 No.14304194 Is there any genuinely good literature by women that doesn't revolve around oppression?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 09:06:35 2019 No.14304199 >>14304174 Women are barely human as it is, of course they cant into philosophy

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 09:07:56 2019 No.14304206 >>14304194 Yea, a lot actually.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 09:08:41 2019 No.14304207 >>14304199 Who said anything about philosophy here? I'm simply asking for good lit by women that isn't about "muh special room for myself".

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 09:09:43 2019 No.14304209 >>14304206 Okay... Examples?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 09:09:51 2019 No.14304210 >>14304194 Uh, Genji Monogatari? Then again, I hear that the court lady diaries of that era are full of whining about hunky heian-era nobles not noticing them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 09:14:15 2019 No.14304236 >>14304194 Simone Weil

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 09:14:24 2019 No.14304237 >>14304210 So, the only example you can think of is one of the oldest examples of literature...from Japan...and even then it's still related to whining?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 09:37:17 2019 No.14304313 >>14304209 elizabeth anscombe

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:45:39 2019 No.14304634

A Tree Grows in Brooklyn by Betty Davis
Stories by Doris Lessing
Genji Monogatari already mentioned
Poems by Dickinson, Elizabeth Bishop, Hazel Hall, Lorine Niedecker, Plath (yes she didnt just write poems about her oppression), Elizabeth Barrett Browning, Marina Tsetaeva, Amy Lowell, H.D.
Stories by Katherine Ann Porter (loved by William Gass incidentally)
Some of Ursula K Leguin's stuff like Earthsea or Lathe of Heaven.
Simone Weill already mentioned

Just a reminder that if you believe men to be categorically above women, you are not a man if you have not had any literary achievement equivalent to any of the above writers, since the lowest man must have higher skill than the highest woman. Riding on the coat-tails of the achievements of greater and more intelligent men is the most unmanly thing one could possibly do.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:46:46 2019 No.14304640 Flanner O'Connor

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 10:50:50 2019 No.14304654 >>14304634 I forgot Carson McCullers and Pearl S Buck. Contemporary women's lit is largely trash though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:07:29 2019 No.14304737 >>14304634 >>14304654 What the fuck are you even trying to say? It's objectively true that men are categorically above women when it comes to intellect and creativity.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:26:12 2019 No.14304811 File: 23 KB, 316x499, 41nSp8+dReL._SX314_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14304236 I wouldn't be so sure about that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:33:05 2019 No.14304842 >>14304194 >>14304209 Jane Goodall

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:34:06 2019 No.14304847 >>14304174 >Men's lit is unbelievably varied. Mens lit is pretty much >I have mixed feelings about my father >I hate women >boats

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 11:43:00 2019 No.14304890

>>14304174
>Complains about women only writing about oppression
>posts an image which features several books by female authors which are not about female oppression

You answered your own question.

>>14304847
This, but not quite. The majority of men’s lit is actually:
>tfw no gf
>my parents were weird
>I struggle to live up to the masculine ideal
>God, I’m so alone

Not saying all men’s literature is like that, but there is a lot of literature like that and yet no one seems to blink at it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 12:02:44 2019 No.14305005 >>14304737 yes but this doesn't make you worth anything anon

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 12:04:49 2019 No.14305024 >>14304847 Yawn, boring retread of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUrqUWNcSOg Funny thing is that ((she)) ultimately decided that ((she)) was a ((he)) and transitioned into being a ((man)) after this video was recorded.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 12:06:24 2019 No.14305030 >>14304194 Woolf's novels aren't really about oppression. Her essays are, though.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 15:43:09 2019 No.14306368 File: 70 KB, 600x908, sue me.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14304174

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 15:49:15 2019 No.14306409 >>14306345 roll

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 15:50:06 2019 No.14306414 >>14306345 keep Rollin Rollin Rollin

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 15:51:36 2019 No.14306427 the heart is a lonely hunter is okay

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 15:51:42 2019 No.14306429 >>14306345 Rolling.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 15:54:57 2019 No.14306444 >>14306345 I will read one thing by the person I get. No rerolls. See now i've made this interesting.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 15:57:40 2019 No.14306462 >>14306444 >ends up getting trips This means you have to read one book per Bronte sister, anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 15:59:46 2019 No.14306476 Memoirs of Hadrian barely features women at all, are you dense? It's a depiction of a man, a portrayal highly sensitive and sympathetic to masculinity.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 16:02:19 2019 No.14306492 >>14304634 based, a tree grows in Brooklyn is a fine novel

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 16:03:28 2019 No.14306493 File: 14 KB, 313x500, 31nDTxKK0GL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] pic related was written by a >womn

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 16:12:56 2019 No.14306538 >>14306462 Okay. I'm not familiar with their work, but I do have a loaded handgun right now. Can anyone make me recommendations that would be prefferable to killing myself right now?

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 16:14:59 2019 No.14306550

>>14304174
Why are you falsely exasperated? As though you were personally taxed by the underachievement of the other sex? As though we are to be deeply impressed and moved that you have, against all odds, nobly strained to appreciate female literature but, alas, were forced to yield to that unwavering spirit of truth which demanded you admit to yourself that sobering reality that, yes, an entire sex was unable to stir admiration from you and win that most precious of seals, namely, your approval. You tried, quite hard, giving serious attention to the finest specimens of this finer sex, but now, having given women the full benefit of the doubt, and aimed with totality of heart to become their most steadfast sponsor, their staunchest defender against prejudice and injustice, you finally invoke your right to be annoyed by them, who have so grievously disappointed you, who have so squandered your unequaled charity. Why do they only care about themselves!, you whine. Ah! What a gross offense to my sensibility, to my taste! Ah! Look at how they have sent me into dramatic throes, look how they have drawn me out of my usual stoic reserve, irked me, caused me at long last, yes, finally brought my patience to its limit! Damn you, women! Damn you, at last! Curse this unfairness! Quick, bring to my faltering hands something by a male author--ah! Ah, yes. Yes, sweet satisfaction. Ah! Now that is poetry, that is some fine writing. Thank God for men--if not for them I'd be lost, lost I say! Villainous, brutish women! Fie! Fie!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 16:17:09 2019 No.14306562 >>14305030 This. Woolf has a subtlety of emotion in her language that very few authors can match

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 16:20:37 2019 No.14306586 File: 138 KB, 375x375, 1425150376465.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14304174 >female writers

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 16:23:23 2019 No.14306601 Silas Marner about George Eliot is skepticism about industrializing and about an old man adopting a little girl.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 16:23:37 2019 No.14306603

>>14306538
Wuthering Heights is the only book Emily wrote and it’s a gothic melodrama about family warfare, jealously and doomed love. Emily also wrote superb poetry that’s a window into her tragic life.

Charlotte’s two best are Jane Eyre and Vilette. Both are coming of age proto-feminist coming of age stories about governesses trying to overcome various social injustices. They’re also pro-religion, but anti-church. They’re both masterpieces IMO and are underrated on /lit/.

Anne is widely considered the worst Bronte. Few people care about her books.

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 16:28:34 2019 No.14306634

>>14306603
Read Wuthering Heights for english in high school. Think I even wrote about it on the AP test. That said, I was stoned out of my mind half the time, and also just rushing through the book, so maybe its worth a second look
I'll take your rec on Charlotte,
While Anne is understood to kind of suck (even family guy took shots at her), I did roll trips. So do you have anything from her that's remarkable, or is it all just not worth it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 16:39:53 2019 No.14306710 >>14306634 I have no clue about Anne myself. I’ve not read anything by her. I’ve been meaning to reread Wuthering Heights first because I didn’t like it at first due to it’s messy structure. Jane Eyre left me with a much better first impression.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 16:43:21 2019 No.14306738 >>14306550 Haha yes

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 17:49:12 2019 No.14307218 >>14306345 >Anne Frank >88 kek

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 17:50:41 2019 No.14307223 >>14306345 roll

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 17:55:37 2019 No.14307241 >>14306345 Rollin for nice european lady.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 17:57:37 2019 No.14307249 >>14306634 Wuthering Heights is pretty good. Nice revenge narrative.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 17:57:58 2019 No.14307251 >>14307241 I was planning to read Alexiad anyway. Now I have no excuse. God bless you roller man.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 18:04:22 2019 No.14307277 >>14304174 what did you expect really from the middle brow gender with no geniuses

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 18:19:55 2019 No.14307355 >>14306345 I’m afraid anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 18:47:38 2019 No.14307491 >>14306345 John Rawls.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 18:50:36 2019 No.14307501 >>14307491 >tfw you cuck Abelard

Anonymous Sat Dec 7 18:53:19 2019 No.14307519

>>14304174
don't you think this shit just gets published because it continues the conservative idea of what women are?

i feel like its similar to cigarettes being thought of as addictive, the idea they are near impossible to quit only benefits cigarette manufacturers

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 18:56:17 2019 No.14307537 >>14304174 I had no idea she wrote Frankenstein when she was 18. That's incredible.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 18:58:04 2019 No.14307544 >>14305005 This smells like a true female response. Off-topic, mean, irrelevant. I've dealt with you cunts before.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 22:46:15 2019 No.14308488 >>14306345 Roll

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 22:48:43 2019 No.14308500 >>14304237 genji is exit level--you're too much of a pussy to read it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 22:49:16 2019 No.14308505 >>14304179 WOMEN

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 22:50:29 2019 No.14308511 >>14304174 Read Flannery O’Connor

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 22:54:20 2019 No.14308534 Christina Rossetti He feeds upon her face by day and night, And she with true kind eyes looks back on him Fair as the moon and joyful as the light

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 23:41:21 2019 No.14308735 >>14306345 Raul

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 7 23:42:23 2019 No.14308738 >>14306345 Roll

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 00:38:53 2019 No.14309002 >>14308534 In the Bleak Midwinter is one of the stronger holiday hymns

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 00:57:11 2019 No.14309085 >>14306345 rupi pls

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 01:06:30 2019 No.14309125 >>14306345 I HAVE NEVER READ ANYTHING BY ANYONE THERE HAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHHA

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 01:12:34 2019 No.14309144 Margaret Mead

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 02:00:06 2019 No.14309353 >>14306345 Roll

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 02:01:27 2019 No.14309360 >>14304185 This meme again

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 03:07:09 2019 No.14309564 >>14306345 What this anon >>14306444 said

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 04:17:06 2019 No.14309735 >>14306345 roll, but actually i don't care

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 05:04:50 2019 No.14309877 >>14304174 What about Earthsea by Ursula?

Anonymous Sun Dec 8 05:20:52 2019 No.14309924

>>14306634
I think Agnes Grey by Anne is fascinating mostly because it’s the complete opposite of Wuthering Heights. A bland modest pious young woman ends up in a stable marriage while her flirtatious skank friend quite reminiscent of Catherine ends up miserable. I wonder how Anne and Emily interacted as people.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 05:22:30 2019 No.14309930 >>14309924 Meant to reply to >>14306603

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 05:25:01 2019 No.14309945 >>14304174 You haven't read any Woolf novels, then.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 05:54:15 2019 No.14310037 >>14306345 rollin, please be 35

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 05:56:13 2019 No.14310041 >>14306603 >Anne is widely considered the worst Bronte. Few people care about her books. She's the cutest tho!

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 06:24:30 2019 No.14310128 >>14307544 But she's right.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 06:24:49 2019 No.14310130 >>14306345 Rolling

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 06:28:52 2019 No.14310145 >>14310130 What the shit, I actually have 2 books of her poetry in my house

Anonymous Sun Dec 8 07:22:07 2019 No.14310305

Do you ever notice how men can write a female character so extremely well and describe her feelings, desires and experiences yet women characacherize males as the typical archetypes? Male authors can write a million different kinds of women with an infinite amount of differences in personalities and emotions and thoughts, but women have a constant pattern of portraying all men as if sharing the same brain. It seems every story written by a female contains male characters that are completely repeatable, and which could be placed in any story and that story would still remain the exact same. It's as if they have a wall in front of the part of their brain that allows them to cross boundaries and understand other people. They lack some kind of outward reflection and it's not only with male characters, but even story plots and situations. I don't mean to sound like some virgin when I say this shit. I've gone out of my way to find books by female authors that challenge this take I have on it but so far it's been bulletproof.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 07:56:52 2019 No.14310389 >>14306345 Something I can fap to without sloppy dick

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 10:06:26 2019 No.14310864 >>14306345 Sure

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 10:14:43 2019 No.14310909 >>14304174 havent heard of almost anything on there, lmao why cant women write books bros?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 10:18:40 2019 No.14310926 >>14306345 roll

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 11:13:41 2019 No.14311176 >>14306345 roll

Anonymous Sun Dec 8 11:34:01 2019 No.14311259

>>14304634
>since the lowest man must have higher skill than the highest woman
>i myself am not a sexist but im gonna go ahead and make the assertion that all misogynists believe that this is true and then mold my argument around this false claim
kys retard

Anonymous Sun Dec 8 11:37:07 2019 No.14311273

>>14310128
what part of
>Off-topic, mean, irrelevant
did your stupid trisomy brain not comprehend? can you read? do you need someone to read it to you? are you going to leave the literature board now that youve made it abundantly clear that you are incapable of understanding basic sentences?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 14:20:01 2019 No.14312216 I have wuthering heights somewhere. is it going to suck?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 14:21:56 2019 No.14312228 >>14312216 It's pretty good desu

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 14:22:01 2019 No.14312229 >>14311273 Wuthering Heights is good unless you hate books about relationships

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 14:39:57 2019 No.14312352 >>14312228 >>14312229 cool

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 15:03:57 2019 No.14312517 >>14310305 The majority of Sci-Fi/Fantasy has very poorly written women.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 16:14:30 2019 No.14312921 >>14306345 rikle

Anonymous Sun Dec 8 16:20:43 2019 No.14312963

>>14304634
>Just a reminder that if you believe men to be categorically above women, you are not a man if you have not had any literary achievement equivalent to any of the above writers, since the lowest man must have higher skill than the highest woman

Mathematical illiteracy.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 16:38:36 2019 No.14313081 >>14306345 Give pure waifu pls

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 16:58:56 2019 No.14313197 >>14306345 Let's roll.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 18:39:29 2019 No.14313789 >>14306345 Roll

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 19:05:29 2019 No.14313901 >>14310305 read Middlemarch anon

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 19:14:33 2019 No.14313947 >>14306345 Roll

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 23:27:18 2019 No.14315309 >>14306345 riiiil

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 23:31:49 2019 No.14315338 >>14306345 please 666

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 8 23:32:50 2019 No.14315341 >>14306368 >oppressed by the government

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 05:30:47 2019 No.14316413 >>14306345 they're all ugly but rolling anyway

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 05:37:00 2019 No.14316422 >>14306345 Roll

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 05:40:32 2019 No.14316432 >>14309945 Woolf... whose books are almost entirely about oppression and feminism...

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 06:38:47 2019 No.14316516 >>14306345 C'mon motherfucker gimme Sylvia.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:02:30 2019 No.14316558 >>14304179 >>14308505 Okay, what now?

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:28:45 2019 No.14316629 >>14306345 Roll

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:31:45 2019 No.14316640 >>14306345 Baz

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:36:02 2019 No.14316653 >>14304174 Percy Shelley wrote Frankenstein.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:37:05 2019 No.14316663 Unironically and not even meming, the only good female writer I've ever read is Agatha Christie. And the reason why she was good was because she was actively trying to emulate the style of male writers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:46:34 2019 No.14316694 >>14306345 I

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 07:47:42 2019 No.14316696 >>14304194 the op image is filled with examples. this thread is bait

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 08:57:53 2019 No.14316912 File: 119 KB, 290x223, 1339143574179.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14306345 >oscar wilde

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 9 10:42:46 2019 No.14317253 >>14304737 >>14311259 >>14312963 Lol too predictable, incels give men a bad name

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