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>> No.1429889

thinks deconstruction means close reading

>> No.1429890

lol D&E is describing himself

>> No.1429892
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>>1429889
Hahaha oh man

>> No.1429891
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>>1429881
But literature is books.

>> No.1429896

Intent has plenty to do with the meaning of a text, all the words that are in a text were placed there by authorial intent. Now an appeal to authorial intent isn't a great idea, but you can't deny that without the authors intent, whatever it may be, the meaning you see wouldn't be there.

>> No.1429899

>>1429890
Actually, he's describing everyone on this board who's had a valid point with which he disagreed.

He's that bitter and lonely.

>> No.1429912

But feminism IS angry bulldykes with flat-tops...

>> No.1429914

why are you picking fights with the nice people from english

>> No.1429918

>thinks Jacques Derrida is obfuscatory

but he is.

>> No.1429919

How to spot Deep&Edgy:

-Correctly understands that objectifying someone, no matter how arbitrarily, is the first step to mocking them. If we acknowledge that someone has a certain belief, or an apparent misconception, then it doesn't matter how valid that belief is or how reasonable the apparent misconception. They are an object and therefore a potential object of our scorn and mockery. Anyway, he uses this to troll the shit out of them.

>> No.1429925

Literature (from Latin litterae (plural); letter) is the art of written works. Literally translated, the word literature means "acquaintance with letters" (as in the "arts and letters")

>> No.1429931

>>1429919
I blame reification

>> No.1429951

>>1429896
D0 Y0U R3M3MB3R F4R3NH31T 451?

BR4DBURYS 1NT3NT W4S T0 WR1T3 4 B00K 4B0UT H0W TV W4S K1LL1NG 1NT3R3ST 1N B00KS

TH3N H3 W4S T0LD H3 W4S WR0NG 4ND 1T W4S 4B0UT C3NS0RSH1P 4ND WH4T H3 S41D D03SNT M4TT3R

TH3 1NT3NT10N 0F 4 W0RK 1S 0NLY R3L4V3NT WH3N TH3 W0RK SUCC3SSFULLY C0NV3YS TH4T 1NT3NT

>> No.1429956

>>1429931

I don't. I blame *you*. I'm not afraid to blame and credit myself and others, anymore. For I have climbed out of the abyss of emptiness and found that emptiness itself was empty, though it's still kind of a good place to start.

>> No.1429958

>>1429951
fuck you.

>> No.1429973
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>>1429956
>I have climbed out of the abyss of emptiness and found that emptiness itself was empty, though it's still kind of a good place to start

been there done that

>> No.1430059

I'd add...

>thinks logic is intuitive
>grossly uninformed about history
>unemployed

to that list

>> No.1430076

>>1430059
how about

>posted on /lit/ every waking hour of every day for a year and a half running

>> No.1430091

Deep&Edgy can you post a picture of your face i want to know if you're good looking or not

>> No.1430092

>>1430059
>made plans to move out of parents' house by 2020
>never posted a picture that impressed anyone

>> No.1430094
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>>1430059
>grossly uninformed about history

Feels bad, man.

>> No.1430117

this has trolled me

>> No.1431723

>>1429881
I love me some D&E
what a magnificent troll

bless you, you S.O.B.

>>1429951
how long did it take you to type that out
just curious

>> No.1431727

>>1429881
You have never been a good tripfag.

>> No.1431731

lol so many brownbear ones, wish that fggt would stop banning me from tinychat.

D&E give me some life advice while you're on a roll.

>> No.1431733

>>1431723
4CTU4LLY 1 F0UND 4 F1R3F0X 4DD0N T0 D0 1T F0R M3

1 W4S 4BL3 T0 TYP3 PR3TTY QU1CKLY 3V3N W1TH0UT 1T BUT 1TS F41RLY 4NN0Y1NG T0 H4V3 T0 R34CH UP T0 W3R3 TH3 NUMB3RS 4R3 WH3N 1M US3D T0 H1TT1NG TH3 L0W3R V0W3L K3YS

>> No.1431739

>>1431731
i prefer tinycat

its the only thing that likes it when i touch it

>> No.1431742

Casual /lit/erati checking in, just saying d&e is the only entertaining tripfag I've seen on the chans.

Don't let that make you lazy dude.

>> No.1431748

I'm 1 out of 15. Guess that's why it's not my subject.
Authors intent doesn't have absolute credibility in regards to what is made, but to say it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with what is made is a statement that makes no sense.

>> No.1431756

>>1431733
>F1R3F0X 4DD0N
idiot.

>> No.1431762

I agree with most of this. I dunno about English majors writing novels though. More like doing nothing.

I'd say that's more in line with a creative writing student. But even then most of them don't do shit.

This is coming from an MFA student who holds a BA in English and a BFA in Creative Writing.

>> No.1431759

>>1431756
I LIKE FOXES TO BUT YOU DON'T SEE ME BEING A CUNT

>> No.1431760

>>1431756
B3C4US3 1M M4K1NG 1T 34S13R F0R MYS3LF?

1 D0NT S33 H0W 1NT3NT10N4LLY D01NG S0M3TH1NG T0 H4RD W4Y M4K3S M3 SM4RT3R

3SP3C14LLY WH3N 1TS S0M3TH1NG 1 4M D01NG PUR3LY F0R MY 0WN 3NJ0YM3NT

>> No.1431771

English Lit undergrad here
1. Check
2. No
3. Check
4. I know the difference thank you very much
5. No
6. No I don't
7. Depends on what Modernism we are talking about here.
8. No
9. Plot is the skeletal structure of a story? Am I off base?
10. Check
11. Define "experienced"
12. No
13. No, but he is hard to read. I don't think he's trying to be confusing though. If I don't understand him it shows I'm the one lacking.
14. "natural" no "right" nonsense, the Canon is always open to revision.

>> No.1431786

>>1429881
More like typical /lit/ patron

>> No.1431896

History Major here

Written one novel, writing a second. I have in the last semester written more than anyone I know with english majors.

seriously this shit is fucking retarded.

OH I TOOK A CREATIVE WRITING CLASS AND WROTE A PAGE LONG SHORT STORY THAT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING CHUCK PALAHNIUK WOULD WRITE IF HE WAS MORE PRETENTIOUS AND MY PROFESSOR LIKED IT SO IM A HARDCORE WRIT3R

>WRIT3R
oh god the change is happening to me help me help me help me meeeeee ahhhhh@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@HHHHHHHHHHHHH

>> No.1431912

Alright, English undergrad reporting in. Let's do this.

>Nope
>Nope
>No novel, short stories though
>Whatever difference you can come up with is probably for trolling purposes
>Yes, literature is a medium, not a genre
>Yes. That's why I like it.
>Nope (lolol you used pretentious in place of an argument in the previous entry lolol)
>I do
>Nope lrn2aristotle
>I do
>It isn't, literature is a medium not a genre
>Funny thing, all my undergrad literature professors say that a play can't be fully experienced unless you watch it
>No, that's outright sexism
>I have no idea who that is
>It is

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>Kafka and Nabokov glamorization.

>> No.1431985

English Lit graduate... POASTING

>Yes. It's not the final word, but it certainly "has absolutely anything to do whatsoever"
>No.
>Maybe someday, when I'm older. Right now I just want to land a teaching job
>I do.
>Um... yeah? Literature doesn't only mean literary fiction, however
>Postmodern literary critics/theorists are, yes. However, several of my favorite writers are considered postmodern
>No.
>I do.
>No.
>I do.
>Depends on the film, just as whether or not it's "literary" depends on the book
>Yes and no. I think you must read and watch a play to truly wrap your head around it, but I also think reading it is more important
>No.
>Doesn't make him any less worthwhile, but his writing could certainly be more lucid
>I think it should be open to comment, but I basically agree with Allan Bloom's assessment of what's been happening in humanities academia the last few years. Certain authors (Shakespeare, Milton, Chaucer) should be above identity politics

>> No.1432606

bampu

>> No.1432610

>>WORKING IN MCDONALD'S

ADD THAT, OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

>> No.1432613

My ex was a English Lit major. Never again.

>> No.1432614
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>>1432610
u saggin?

>> No.1432618

>>1431985
>Reading a play is more important than performance
Lolno.

>> No.1432620

>>1432614
YEAH, I'LL FUCKING SAG THEM ALL, SO YOU BE CAREFUL

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>>1432618
>implying merely watching something like one of Shakespeare's tragedy's would permit full comprehension
>implying most it wouldn't go over your head until you sat down with the text

>> No.1432634

>>1432623
>Lol no one can understand Shakespeare
>Ameritard detected

>> No.1432645

>>1432642

*you're

FUUUUU *seppuku*

>> No.1432642

>>1432634
>implying your conversational with Early Modern English
>implying you instinctively know the references to Elizabethan culture, politics, and history
>implying full comprehension = "understanding"

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>>1430091
So not that long ago I was stuck next to an old buddy from High School coming home on the bus. I was in a seminar with him for the first semester and we were talking about this text we had done for the class. We had spent about two weeks talking about the application of key concepts in phenomenology to the text and his sum contribution to that discussion was; "the author is showing us how subjective and 'postmoderny' (his very words) the text is". He told me didn't like it because it was 'pretentious', which he followed by firmly stating: "but it is though". I very nearly wept in my seat.

This guy had his first class in lit theory last week.

>> No.1432652

>>1432645
>>1432642
Also, "conversational" should be "conversant in".

You're also taking a romantic view of understanding/comprehension.

>> No.1432656

>>1432652
how so?

>> No.1432664

>>1432650

also I don't know why I linked to your post sorry about that

>> No.1432674

>>1432656
You're implying there's one true interpretation that we need to extract, that of the people watching it at the time of first performances. However, these will necessarily vary, as they would for an audience of a modern performance; there's also no reason why an interpretation of a play from 500 years ago (or what we think would be an interpretation of a play...) is more valid than my interpretation now.

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1432678

I choose you, Anon !

>Anon uses reflect
>It's super efficient!

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>>1432678

>> No.1432683

>>1432674

I wouldn't say I advocate any interpretation as much as informed opinion, which is better achieved through close reading of the text.

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>>1432678
>mfw

>> No.1432693

>>1432683
I think close reading of the text is all well and good, but doesn't recognize that a play exists in a social space as an event.

>> No.1432696

>>1432693

Obviously both are crucial, but if you're forced to chose I think reading is clearly the more fruitful option.

>> No.1432699

>>1432678

This makes little sense. Also, don't give the nigger any more attention than he deserves.

>> No.1432702

>>1432699
Niggers deserve a lot more attention than tripfags.

>> No.1432710

>>1432696
I think if a close reading may be interesting, but only if the text is also recognised as existing in a social context which changes over time, a la Genette's Paratext.

>> No.1432799

>>1432684
why would you even save a .gif like that
thats gay bro
D&E...you gay

>> No.1432815

>>1432710
>text is also recognised as existing in a social context which changes over time, a la Genette's Paratext.

a la, very much more obviously, dialogic