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14278319 No.14278319 [Reply] [Original]

Ok /lit/ I finally fell for the meme and dove into pic related.
I've heard schizo posters say that Hegel is a "sorcerer" and this work is a "spell" he cast over western thought, so all I can ask is wtf am I reading.
I have some experience with meditation and hypnosis and when I'm reading I feel my mind slipping into a trance like state.

>when I say 'I', this singular 'I', I say in general all 'Is'; everyone is what I say, everyone is 'I', this singular' I'

I find myself glossing over large sections like this and realizing I'm not comprehending anything and end up rereading it over and over until it becomes some hypnotic mantra in my head.
I've even gotten to the point of zoning out and thinking I am perceiving shapes and messages in the negative space of the paragraphs

Have you assholes made me open some spooky hermetic portal? Or is Hegel just really really boring

>> No.14278336

Hehe get ready to become a Marxist tranny

>> No.14278359

It just takes some time to get into the swing of things and get into his writing style and the terms he uses. Its pretty interesting once you finally get into the rhythm

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>>14278319
Annotating things helps a lot!

>> No.14278443

https://youtu.be/ARarjQYOhA4

>> No.14278455

Hegel had a fascinating mind but nothing more. Once you grasp the fundamental ideas of the book you'll drop it.

>> No.14278474

>>14278455
post fundamental ideas NOW

>> No.14278492

>>14278474
No.

>> No.14278523

>>14278336
how many more souls left to sacrifice to demon god Hegel before we become free and unite with the absolute again, anon?

>> No.14278541

its either you make it through and your intellect survives, so you get a share of hegels tricks or you perish in eternal brainlet, become a haywire marxist or a monadic sub forever. ill tell ya one thing kid. those who made it through dont start stupid threads like this. heh

>> No.14278545

>>14278523
All of them

>> No.14278616

Reminder you have not actually read Hegel if you are reading him in any language otehr than German.
Das war's. Viel Spaß euch Untermenschen dann noch!

>> No.14278631

>>14278616
dein zunge in mein haariges arsch lel

>> No.14278636

>>14278616
i read PoS entirely in german and didnt understand a single word because i dont know german. what next?

>> No.14278728

>>14278636
learn german THEN read PdG
>>14278631
>not even an attempt at causus usage

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>>14278728
>causus usage

>> No.14278853

>>14278455
I think I already grasp the fundamental ideas, I just wanted to hear it from the source.
Why was such a smart dude into such weird stuff

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>>14278616
I unironically started learning German so that I could figure out what this fucker is on about

>> No.14279323

>>14278336
Based. Beware OP.
>>14278359
Its vaccous drivel cloaked in sophistry. Nothing more. Its literally just empty panetheism draped in endless verbiage designed to create a cultish servitude. All his work is one empty argument for authority without that authority having any compulsion. Imo Schopenhauer is the much better thinker, even if his attitudes are disdainful. At least Arty wasn't a charlatan.
>>14278455
Not fascinating. Deceitful.
>>14278474
The essence of the world develops using contradictions in matter.
>>14278541
Mr big brain over here. Snickering alone in the corner.
>>14278319
I read it and its just sophistry. He could have expressed what he wanted in <100 pages imo. Superficial germans were just convinced by grandiose verbosity. Basically brainlets eho found Kant to challenging and scary wanted and authority to follow in the intellectual realm because they were being wrecked militarily by the French. Its really not worth your time imo.

>> No.14279336

>>14278319
I'm not superstitious, so.

>> No.14279497

>>14279323
/pol/ pls

>> No.14279504

Not OP, but I'm reading it too. Stuck on paragraph 17.

Can someone tell me in the most dumbed down way possible what Hegel means when he says "The True must not only be Substance but also Subject"? (I'm paraphrasing)

>> No.14279513

>>14278934
Same. I'm taking a German class next semester so I can read Hegel, Marx, and Nietzsche in their original language.

>> No.14279554

>>14278541
Kinda this. Most of my professors ended pup too ways after reading hegel. A well formed, multifaceted, and intellectual adult, or a raving Marxist who has a less than satisfactory ability to discuss various topics through various lenses.

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I'm assuming you're referring to the first sentence in paragraph 17, which in my translation is:
>"In my view, which can be justified only by the exposition of the system itself, everything turns on grasping and expressing the True, not only as substance, but equally as subject."
I'm no Hegel scholar, but I'll give it a go.

>"In my view, which can be justified only by the exposition of the system itself"
Here I think he's referring to his philosophy of the dialectic in general, and the "unfolding" of knowledge to spirit, and he's saying that the next statement is only justifiable by looking at knowledge of the True through that specific lens.
>"everything turns on grasping and expressing the True"
To Hegel, the truth is 'grasped at' as spirit progresses through the dialectic. That is to say the continuous back and forth motion towards grasping, expressing and negating the True is the fundamental thing that goes toward the True.
Again he's talking about the dialectic.
>"not only as substance, but equally as subject."
Since we're talking about spirit in its dialectical motion, then the true is equally contingent on its "substance" as it is to the "subject"(spirit)

I could be way off, but I tried.

>> No.14279615

Hegel melted my brain
>>14279609 was meant for >>14279504

>> No.14279640

>>14279609
Thanks. I'll try and read this and hopefully I can progress further into this man's insane mind.
I really want to understand it because I can tell he is saying something deeply profound based on how engaging the first couple paragraphs are. But I feel like I'm getting pleb filtered out and I'm still on the Preface.

>> No.14280714

>>14279504
https://youtu.be/XwEV5QZhqro

>> No.14280838

>>14279504
If you dont understand that, you do not have a good enough background in philosophy. Read plato, kant, spinoza and schopenhauer.

>> No.14280919

>>14278319
I’m convinced Hegel was on a 24hr IV of Amphetamines, glucose, and LSD while writing this book. Reading it is like laying in bed masturbating all day. Yes. I could LITERALLY do it all day but sooner or later my brain gets sore and I have to attend to my actual life. Take the Hegel pill.

>> No.14280921

>>14279504

You must partake in it.

>> No.14281012

>>14278616
Germans say Hegel is easier in English translation

>> No.14281106

>>14278474
It just doesn't work without the esoteric build up.

>> No.14281132

>>14281012
Do not consider these people human. It is obvious they are dumb morons, and your fact should give you more worry about your english translation actually being as close as possible to Hegel rather than seeing this in some odd positive way for yourself.

>> No.14281607

>>14278319
eYe Am what I am.

Those who truly understand Hegel will have their soul saved from Yaldabaoth and his Archons

>> No.14283102

Read Hyppolite's Genesis and Structure before each section. This is PhD tier advice.