What's your religion /lit/? (Or lack of) I'm an agnostic-atheist.

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Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:01:37 2011 No.1427798 [Reply] [Original]

What's your religion /lit/? (Or lack of)

I'm an agnostic-atheist.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:03:37 2011 No.1427812 Yep, atheist-agnostic here.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:04:37 2011 No.1427815 I'm Jewish.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:04:37 2011 No.1427816 I don't have a religion. I am however an atheist.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:04:37 2011 No.1427817 I believe in a God, but I also believe that I am he.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:05:37 2011 No.1427818 I choose to believe in nothing, and also to abhor atheism. There are too many idiots on both sides, especially in this backwards-ass town. So I just tune out all of their bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:07:37 2011 No.1427828 >>1427818 ...so basically agnostic to sum it up?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:07:37 2011 No.1427829 >>1427812 This really seems to be the only logical thing to be. You can't prove or disprove god just like you can't or unicorns or other supernatural objects, so from rational, skeptical, logical viewpoint you choose to not believe in it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:08:37 2011 No.1427832 I like my religion like I like my books. Strictly Christian. Everything else is a waste.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:09:37 2011 No.1427834 Only the blind can see God and we are all short sighted.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:11:37 2011 No.1427839 >>1427829 >so from rational, skeptical, logical viewpoint you choose to not believe in it. Then why do you need the term agnostic? Contrary to popular belief, atheism isn't the militant disproving of god.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:11:37 2011 No.1427840 >>1427818 Believing in nothing is atheism. Atheism is the lack of any theistic beliefs. You need to separate humanistic bias from definition

>>	Truman Capote !kwxizAOFlk Wed Jan 5 20:11:37 2011 No.1427841 >>1427829 From a rational point of view, the existence of a God or anything supernatural is very, very unlikely and so I believe there is no such thing. This is called strong Atheism.

>>	♥onionring♥ !Rrxa7zePwI Wed Jan 5 20:11:37 2011 No.1427842 religiosity is bad thinking.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:11:37 2011 No.1427843 >>1427818 You're an atheist who doesn't know what the word means, is all. Retard.

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:12:37 2011 No.1427846

Um, I don't think there's a significant difference between the concept of "God" as being a benevolent omni-powerfull overseer and the Idea that there is some fundemental law apon which all of reality functions. The essentail aspect of both is that they are ultimate. Therefore all athiests believe in god.

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:12:37 2011 No.1427848

Culturally, catholic.

In practice, I'm probably more along the lines of a Unitarian Universalist.

>>1427829
I would argue, but on second thought I really don't give a fuck.
Me and Jesus are call with each other. I'm cool with that.
Have a nice day, my good man.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:13:37 2011 No.1427851 I'm a Deist. Ya'll inferior.

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:13:37 2011 No.1427852

>>1427837
I don't find them annoying, but they are fucking idiots. I suppose I am agnostic, but what I'm trying to say is I'll never discuss it in real life, with people I like. There's no point.
My mom is a dedicated Catholic, and she always asks me, "How can you live without faith?"
And I just shake my head, because I don't understand this abstract concept. How do these beliefs bring anyone comfort?

>>	Truman Capote !kwxizAOFlk Wed Jan 5 20:14:37 2011 No.1427854 >>1427846 The essential difference is that the laws of the universe are natural and God is supernatural.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:15:37 2011 No.1427856 Agnostic atheist.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:15:37 2011 No.1427858 >>1427840 Okay, you're getting testy and I'm not even insulting your beliefs. Sadly, this is a growing stereotype of atheists. Why are you fucking it up for all of us? Retard.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:16:37 2011 No.1427860 File: 263 KB, 339x500, 1290889259220.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Anti-theist all up in this bitch.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:16:37 2011 No.1427861 >>1427854 Why can't god work through nature?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:17:37 2011 No.1427863 >>1427858 ...he didn't say anything testy, he corrected your warped definition.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:17:37 2011 No.1427864 apatheist. doesn't matter either way and there are funner things than debating higher powers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:17:37 2011 No.1427866 >>1427852 well obviously your awarness that those beliefs exist don't bring you comfort but if one were to GENUINELY believe them, well, I can't see how they wouldn't be comforting.

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:18:37 2011 No.1427869

>>1427841
>>1427839

Agnosticism and atheism are not independent of each other.

The statement "I'm agnostic" implies no belief except that of "You cannot know whether or not there is a god". The statement "I'm an atheist" implies no belief except that of "I don't believe there is a god". So from my axiom of you cannot know whether or not there is a god, I then assume the belief that there is no god. This follows the basic reasoning of why I don't believe there are any unicorns or any other supernatural objects.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:18:37 2011 No.1427870 i'm a pedophi... oh umm nvm

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:19:37 2011 No.1427871

>>1427852
>>Little high schooler thinks that agnosticism and atheism are mutually exclusive, or better still that they even have anything to do with each other.

Agnosticism is a position about what can be known. Atheism is a position about what is real.

Totally different spectrum, you hipster phil 101 faggot

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:20:37 2011 No.1427873 >>1427852 People like to know how they should live, and they like the idea that they're going to be eating rice pudding with golden spoons in heaven afterwards.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:20:37 2011 No.1427874 I'm an apatheist. If there is a god, I don't care. If there isn't, I still don't care. Either way, doesn't change how I go about my day-to-day.

>>	Truman Capote !kwxizAOFlk Wed Jan 5 20:21:37 2011 No.1427877 >>1427874 What a sad, primitive life you must lead.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:21:37 2011 No.1427879 >>1427846 Atheists do not necessarily believe in a perfectly ordered universe. Atheism is commonly accompanied by, or argued for with, the value of science, but there also exist nihilists, etc.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:22:37 2011 No.1427881 >>1427877 How?

>>	♥onionring♥ !Rrxa7zePwI Wed Jan 5 20:22:37 2011 No.1427882 the content of your metaphysics doesn't really matter. how you get there and your attitude toward inquiry do matter though. religiosity to me means inordinate willingness to assert transcendentals without basis

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:22:37 2011 No.1427885 >>1427829 You can't disprove God? Physics and Math disprove God every day.

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:22:37 2011 No.1427886

>>1427852
>How do those beliefs bring people comfort

Because without that belief the world is a giant ball of shit which will soon collapse on itself. All life is a void with no meaning, and everything you do is a vain exercise in futility.
People are monsters
Loneliness never ends.
Nobody ends up okay.

I was an atheist for awhile. Long story.
Needless to say, I'm much happier now. Not that you would be. But atheism and all it implies inevitably leads to a pretty bleak outlook on life.
At least for me..

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:23:37 2011 No.1427890 >>1427871 >Atheism is a position about what is real >Atheism >Real Atheism is as real and certain as Christianity.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:24:37 2011 No.1427892 >>1427886 In other words, wishful thinking is better even though you know it's wrong. Well done.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:25:37 2011 No.1427896 >>1427885 0/10

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:25:37 2011 No.1427899 >>1427885 >Physics and math disprove god every day No they don't.. God isn't physical, looking for him in the physical is like looking for a mouse by tracking a bear. I'm not even religious or anything, but Christ that was a stupid thing you typed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:26:37 2011 No.1427900 >>1427890 Are you a dumbass or a troll? I said atheism is a position about what is real (that is, it's a position about God not being real). I didn't say atheism was the "real" worldview. God you're fucking stupid.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:26:37 2011 No.1427901 Half-assed Neoplatonist

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:26:37 2011 No.1427902 >>1427886 Or you realise that this is the only existence you have so you might as well make the most of it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:26:37 2011 No.1427903 Buddhist, although I don't consider myself religious per se.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:27:37 2011 No.1427905 >>1427896 this whole thread if you hadn't noticed

>>	Truman Capote !kwxizAOFlk Wed Jan 5 20:27:37 2011 No.1427907 >>1427886 Congratulations, you committed intellectual suicide.

>>	♥onionring♥ !Rrxa7zePwI Wed Jan 5 20:27:37 2011 No.1427910 >>1427846 platonists and transcendental rationalists are rather religious, sure. not all atheists are that though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:28:37 2011 No.1427912 >>1427892 I don't claim to "know" anything. I have my reasons for believing what I do, however. And anyway, give me one good reason it's better to know the "truth" if all the truth gives you is another reason to off yourself.

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:28:37 2011 No.1427916

>>1427885
No, no they have not. Math, physics, and all other science have discovered evidence that strongly goes against the existence god, but never anything that definitively disproves the concept. You can't disprove something that isn't testable. Sadly Christians use this for evidenced for god but they only make themselves the fool for their misunderstanding.

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:29:37 2011 No.1427920
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I'm a Christian, and I try to follow the etymology of the word, as it literally means "little christ." Since he seemed to be pleasing in God's eyes, I am trying to be like him.
I do not abide by most of the Old Testament; it's called old for a reason and many of its principles were abolished by Jesus and his time period.
I do follow the New Testament, or attempt to.
I'm not perfect, but at least I do not make the mistake of many other Christians as well as atheists and become hostile at the mention of an opposing belief or lack there of. In that sense, I'm like a Quaker (Not the oats).
Finally, I do not allow religion to limit my views of this world; I study science fervently. I neglect no topic, and if something greatly challenges my belief, then I research it further.

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:30:37 2011 No.1427922

>>1427902
>Or you realise that this is the only existence you have so you might as well make the most of it.

Read Ecclesiastes. It says the same thing.
Theists say the same thing.
Atheists say the same thing.

Fact of the matter is almost nobody does it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:30:37 2011 No.1427925 >>1427877 I don't see what you mean with this. Why should a deity existing or not change the way in which I eat my cornflakes?

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:30:37 2011 No.1427927

>>1427900

No your implication was that agnosticism is about what is "knowable" (true enough)
Then you said that Atheism is about what is "real" which in this instance is irrelevant since we cannot know one way or t'other, and which is only "right" or "real" if you are a gnostic atheist.
Atheism alone is by definition a lack of belief, not about what's "real".
Dumbass.

People who say they are just "Atheist" piss me off. It's a little bit more complicated than that.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:30:37 2011 No.1427928 >>1427869 Atheist-Agnostic. Atheistic because I claim no to believe in a god. Agnostic because I know I cannot prove this to be true or false, or know if I am truly right. (Although I'm almost certain I am).

>>	Niveus !qyCeV9YlYI Wed Jan 5 20:31:37 2011 No.1427930 Scientific reductionist, naturalist, determinist, etc./Rationalist/Bright http://www.the-brights.net/

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:31:37 2011 No.1427932 >ctrl-f "ignostic" >no results /lit/, i am disappoint

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:31:37 2011 No.1427934 >>1427920 You are what Christians should be like. I respect you, sir/miss.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:33:37 2011 No.1427940 >>1427920 This, but I usually don't mention my beliefs at all because I know someone's gonna get offended. Second of all, my beliefs really aren't important to anyone, so I'll just stop talking now.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:34:37 2011 No.1427945 >>1427927 A lack of belief... in what now? In God being real? Yeah. Shut the fuck up.

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:35:37 2011 No.1427949

>>1427928
>Agnostic because I know I cannot prove this to be true or false, or know if I am truly right. (Although I'm almost certain I am).

Disbelief =/= absolute knowledge

Why do people feel the need to call themselves agnostic simply because they can't disprove god?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:35:37 2011 No.1427950 File: 27 KB, 400x400, ololo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1427930 >Bright

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:35:37 2011 No.1427953 >>1427934 Thank you, and I plan on learning whatever language the bible was originally written in (I think Hebrew?) since the whole translation process is a giant telephone game.

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:36:37 2011 No.1427956

>>1427854
yes but my point is that religiosity is something people are innately prone to. Theoretical physics is important to athiests just as god is important to Charles Manson. Two ends to satisfy the same need.
The phycology behind people's intrest in this stuff is what is essential in my opinion. It's the root cause.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:36:37 2011 No.1427959 Atheist. Which I guess isn't really a religion.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:36:37 2011 No.1427961 >>1427953 The King James Bible's the closest you'll get to the Hebrew of the Old Testament and the Greek of the New. It was commissioned to be as much.

>>	Niveus !qyCeV9YlYI Wed Jan 5 20:37:37 2011 No.1427964 File: 1.24 MB, 250x250, hatersgon.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1427950

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:37:37 2011 No.1427966 >>1427953 Why spend your time learning hebrew, greek and latin when you can simply fold your hands and make a phone call with the man himself?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:38:37 2011 No.1427969 >>1427928 Burden of proof is on existence, brodawg. Don't be a coward, be a scientist.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:39:37 2011 No.1427972 >>1427956 >>phycology Aren't you 8th graders back in school yet?

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:39:37 2011 No.1427974

Atheist here.

>mfw people think atheists deal with absolutes

I can't afford to say "hey look, in terms of religion and its history yadda yadda yadda and I know that you can't know everything but yadda yadda yadda and uh the battle between theists and atheist and hurr durr and agnosticism atheist comes from the greek derp derp" everytime. I'm atheist, period. No, I don't believe in God.

Wow, how the fuck did this turn up to be so complicated? Just because you are taking a stance doesn't mean you are a radical arrogant motherfucker. I feel that most people here feel the same way as I am, but I choose not to use more words that could probably be misunderstood or sugar coating anything, by all means: I'm atheist.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:40:37 2011 No.1427979 >>1427974 Also, >mfw I forgot my face and I'm leaving it blank now

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:42:37 2011 No.1427985 >>1427945 For some reason I thought you were arguing for something else. I'll let you fill in the blanks. I'll wind my neck in right now ...

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:43:37 2011 No.1427987 Stoic

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:44:37 2011 No.1427991
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Atheist, though I scorn not the gods: despite their non existence in material terms they're no less potent, no less terrible. The one place the gods inarguably exist is in our minds where they are real beyond refute in all their grandeur and monstrosity.

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:44:37 2011 No.1427995

>>1427818

>I choose to believe in nothing, and also to abhor atheism. There are too many idiots on both sides,

Christ I hate people like you. You have absolutely no comprehension of what it means to be an atheist. You think that atheism is a religion and that there's some kind of rule book you have to follow aside from not believing in God, whereas, if you already don't believe in God, then you're already an atheist by definition and you're just trying to isolate yourself from a label because you think you're derpsoedgyandunique.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:44:37 2011 No.1427996 >>1427969 Nope, burden of proof lies with whoever is trying to convince someone they're wrong.

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:44:37 2011 No.1427997

>>1427966
I would say it seems like a fun endeavor and that I would enjoy the learning experience, and that I would further be able to use the language for other things, but I do believe that I would appear to be avoiding your point.
Personally, I do not believe that I have the faith for that, though I've admittedly never tried it (oh boy, the typical faith response!). However, I don't seem to mind it too much, and I'm sure God's voice, if I have heard it, was mixed up with my other thoughts.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:44:37 2011 No.1427998 >>1427991 GLYCON! GLYCON!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:45:37 2011 No.1428002 File: 26 KB, 275x252, peekingtroll.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Christian atheist Embrace Jesus, reject God

>>	♥onionring♥ !Rrxa7zePwI Wed Jan 5 20:45:37 2011 No.1428004 >>1427930 superior: http://naturalism.org/

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:46:37 2011 No.1428007 Taoist.

>>	♥onionring♥ !Rrxa7zePwI Wed Jan 5 20:46:37 2011 No.1428008 >>1427996 burden lies with the positive claim. stupid.

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:49:37 2011 No.1428019

>>1428008
Nope positive claims only carry the burden when they're not abstract matters of metaphysical meaninglessness. As it stands God and his existence or non-existence is irrelevant, so the position of positive or negative claim doesn't matter one iota.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:49:37 2011 No.1428020 File: 30 KB, 640x480, evolution.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1428008 Christianity is just a theory now what?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:49:37 2011 No.1428021 >>1428008 That's not really true. He had it right. What qualifies as a "positive" claim in many cases is quite arbitrary. The positive claim thing is only true when you're talking within the context of what a person should believe in.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:50:37 2011 No.1428029 Why do people believe in god? I don't get it. I was always an atheist, even before I knew what it means.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:50:37 2011 No.1428030 But... religion is bullshit. All of it. If you still believe a deity exists, then I am very, very sorry.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:52:37 2011 No.1428037 >>1428030 >implying God = Religion

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:53:37 2011 No.1428041 >>1428030 Only Jesus Camp faggots and muslim extremists think otherwise, pal.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:54:37 2011 No.1428043 raised muslim, converted to hinduism a couple years after i met my current (hindu) wife

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:54:37 2011 No.1428044 >>1428029 >Why? You look at the universe and see chaos. I look at it and see a vague sense of order. In the end it's entirely a matter of perspective and nothing else. I have other reasons but ultimately they probably don't matter to you anyway.

>>	king: aether Wed Jan 5 20:54:37 2011 No.1428046 Jesuit.

>>	♥onionring♥ !Rrxa7zePwI Wed Jan 5 20:54:37 2011 No.1428051 >>1428019 even if the claim is meaningless to you, it is not meaningless to theists, for whom god is, however incoherent, a serious metaphysical assertion.

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:56:37 2011 No.1428054

I'm a Christian.

Yup.
Why? Because I'm happy this way and it helps drive away the crushing loneliness that is my every day existence.
I'm not out to prove anything. I'm just trying to get through life.
I don't care if I die and find out I'm wrong.

That being said, Jesus was just a cool guy. I like him.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:56:37 2011 No.1428055 >>1428046 >faggot

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:56:37 2011 No.1428056 >>1428020 Nobody can bring an argument against this? Come on, just try.

>>	CalamariSafari !FFYOhIHmow Wed Jan 5 20:57:37 2011 No.1428059 Catholic, deal with it.

>>	♥onionring♥ !Rrxa7zePwI Wed Jan 5 20:57:37 2011 No.1428061 >>1428021 except the topic question is not "who is right" but the existence of god. theism is not only a positive claim of god, it also involves the construction of the very idea of god. it obviously advances some content.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:57:37 2011 No.1428062 Scientology.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:58:37 2011 No.1428066 >>1428051 No its meaningless for theists too, they use it to justify other beliefs sure, but that's just sophistry.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 20:58:37 2011 No.1428067 >>1428059 Catholics > Eastern Orthodox > Jews >>>>>>> Other western religions

>>	♥onionring♥ !Rrxa7zePwI Wed Jan 5 21:00:37 2011 No.1428071 >>1428020 that's not a very aggressive epistemic attitude, so everyone except theists can recognize it. sure, it's a theory, but it's a bad one and rejected.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:01:37 2011 No.1428074 Unitarian Universalist with Quaker-ish and Gnostic beliefs and a hint of Taoism.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:01:37 2011 No.1428076 File: 28 KB, 400x400, 16465345349897.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1428051 >serious metaphysics You do realize metaphysics is just the ordering of arbitrarily defined concepts that exist nowhere except the mind, right?

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:01:37 2011 No.1428077

>>1428044
No, it matters, it was a genuine question. But I don't know why the entire creation issue emerged anyway, not to mention morals from religion (but this is another story). I mean, the universe is not complete chaos, we know that and we know how most of the things worked. In chemistry we got to the periodic table, in physics they are still trying to figure out a way to merge all the theories together, in biology we know about evolution. When we look at the universe at this level is preety easy to understand why its organized, it could not exist if it wasn't like that. This was the conclusion I got when I was a child, I guess(again, without realizing), "everything" "fits" because if it didn't fit then we would not see it at all.

I understand some cosmological views on the universe based on personal beliefs, like buddhism and the wheel of suffering and desire. I mean, it makes sense to get to these conclusions, they are a way of explaining how everything is in its place. But saying "someone" created everything to be this way? That's quite a giant leap.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:02:37 2011 No.1428078 >>1428074 >can't decide what he believes in! You're like those flakey fucks who can't decide what their major is in college

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:02:37 2011 No.1428079
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>>1428059
Are you aware that many of your traditions and rituals aren't even mentioned in the Bible and that the Catholic church used all this as a means of control, bringing a horrible reputation to the rest of the religion? (I.e. Spanish Inquisition, Crusades, etc.)
I'm Christian, but I believe the Catholic church is unable to read the New Testament for some reason.
Also, captcha... What?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:03:37 2011 No.1428085 >>1428067 Lolno. Catholicism is the most batshit mystical form of Christianity.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:03:37 2011 No.1428086 >>1428074 If that's your belief, then who was phone?

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:04:37 2011 No.1428089

>>1428079
That's because the Catholic church built its own traditions based on the cultures of southern and northern western Europe.
In order for most of the people who lived in those regions to convert Christianity had to be adapted to the mold of an already-existing culture.

>>	♥onionring♥ !Rrxa7zePwI Wed Jan 5 21:05:37 2011 No.1428092 >>1428066 well, i'm going the speech act route of asserting a strong epistemic attitude here, so you can take your noncognitivism elsewhere.

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:06:37 2011 No.1428094

>>1428085
However, Catholics also value education and self-teaching the most out of Christian faiths.

I guess The Church of England should get a reprieve as well for pretty much outright acknowledging that it's more of a political organization than a religious one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:06:37 2011 No.1428095 >>1428076 I like that neat little summary, well put.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:08:37 2011 No.1428105 >>1428085 >most batshit form of Christianity Actually you'd probably be thinking of Mormons or Southern Baptists (especially the end-times believers) for that one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:09:37 2011 No.1428107 >>1428078 Nah, I just have very specific beliefs. It's actually the opposite of being undecided, it's being too decided to fit into one exact category. >>1428086 Phone was jeebus, from inside house

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:11:37 2011 No.1428113 Paleopagan druid. But I worship Ahura Mazda as well, go figure.

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:11:37 2011 No.1428116

>>1428107

>Nah, I just have very specific beliefs. It's actually the opposite of being undecided, it's being too decided to fit into one exact category.

You'd think after spending that much time thinking like that, you'd realize that all religion is just made up nonsense that no one follows 100% to a T.

>>	♥onionring♥ !Rrxa7zePwI Wed Jan 5 21:11:37 2011 No.1428119 >>1428076 you obviously fail at reading as well as having no clue of modern analytic metaphysics, however stupid that shit is. the religious asserts god in the same modal neighborhood as other objects.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:13:37 2011 No.1428124 >>1428113 I drive a mazda, and since I'm practicing, I try to drive it over druid hipsters like you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:13:37 2011 No.1428129 File: 82 KB, 322x477, dylancross.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] "I'm an agnostic-atheist." -OP "You either got faith or you got unbelief and there aint no neutral ground." -Bob Dylan

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:14:37 2011 No.1428132 Agnostic humanist.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:15:37 2011 No.1428139 I'm not religious but I practice ceremonial magick and do believe that there is more than a little credence to works like The Goetia and Crowley's Book of the Law.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:16:37 2011 No.1428140 >>1428129 >Bob Dylan >not an overrated lyricist

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:17:37 2011 No.1428143 >>1428124 ur so clever i almost died

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:18:37 2011 No.1428144 >>1428119 No they don't. They assert God is a necessary existence, everything else is contingent.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:19:37 2011 No.1428147 >>1428143 what happens when druids die? they become a tree or something?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:19:37 2011 No.1428150 >>1428129 And people think atheists = faith that there is no god. Not true. It means unbelief. "Why the fuck would I believe in that?" and no one answered straight. That's an atheist. And then religious people get butthurt.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:21:37 2011 No.1428156 >>1428116 If you knew anything about the religious beliefs I mentioned, you'd realize that your statement doesn't really apply since it's about feeling more than scripture or dogma.

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:21:37 2011 No.1428158

>>1428077
I have a hard time believing the universe came into being out of some random accident, let's just leave it at that.

Anyway, my reasons for believing in god are completely irrelevant to you.
It's hard to explain and honestly, I just don't feel like it.

>>	KOZ !!n414dW6hO/U Wed Jan 5 21:22:37 2011 No.1428161 File: 75 KB, 405x352, HM9891.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I AM ARELIGIOUS.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:23:37 2011 No.1428165 >>1428158 >random accident few people with an understanding of the big bang theory believe this, most just accept that they aren't exactly sure what happened

♥onionring♥ !Rrxa7zePwI Wed Jan 5 21:25:37 2011 No.1428175

>>1428144
are you retarded? they assert that god exists, just like they assert a chair exists or, if you are liberal with existence and abstract objects, just like some people assert numbers exist. exist is the modal neighborhood here.

ok w/e please read beyond your ayer or whatever you were reading.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:25:37 2011 No.1428176 >>1428165 You believe things are simply because they are, generally. The very fact that out of the millions of possible outcomes, everything came out this finely tuned just implies something to me.

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:25:37 2011 No.1428177
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>>1428119

They assert that God is a part of the class without providing the evidence necessary for God to be a part of the class by a means other than an appeal to definition or arbitrary assignment.

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:28:37 2011 No.1428185

>>1428175
Do you honestly believe Christians assert God exists as the type of entity that can be physically localized and touched and seen directly like a chair? God is a transcendent non-physical entity, lacks extension and temporality. That is a very different type of existence from that of a chair. And the modal status of God is necessary not contingent.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:29:37 2011 No.1428187 >>1428176 Personally I'm inclined towards the eternal cycle of the expanding/retracting universe. Recent research has shown evidence of pre-big bang existence of the universe, so I feel pretty comfortable.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:30:37 2011 No.1428189 >>1428187 That actually fits in perfectly with Hinduism, believe it or not.

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:34:37 2011 No.1428202

>>1428158
Ok then. I understand you, most of the times I don't want to talk about it either. Talking about religion is hard, it's a subject filled with trolls and intolerance...

>random accident
But that's not at all what I'm saying... Things are about cause and consequence, you throw a rock it falls, you have sex and there comes a baby. It's harder to see but, you put hot water in a planet filled with nitrogen, carbon, oxigen and electricity and leave it there for a few BILLION years and suddenly dinossaurs. We know this, now. We didn't back then and yet we know that the universe came to existence at some point and we call that big bang and we know the consequences, we just don't know the cause. But why to fill that with an abstract idea of creation? And with it comes so much problems that are even harder to solve than just plain physics. Everything was an action of God back then, but we started figuring things out and now we don't know shit about how the big bang happened or how our conscience exist (solipsism), but at least we are trying, right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:34:37 2011 No.1428203 File: 40 KB, 137x234, 1285112409538.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1428189 Stop it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:34:37 2011 No.1428204 >>1428189 but all the other aspects of hinduism are ridiculous, now what?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:37:37 2011 No.1428214 >>1428185 Hey dude, some Christians believe that, honestly, don't talk for all Christians. And many many more did back in the days.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:38:37 2011 No.1428218 File: 131 KB, 400x570, asterios2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] /thread

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:39:37 2011 No.1428223 >>1428214 The mormons do, I don't know of anyone else

♥onionring♥ !Rrxa7zePwI Wed Jan 5 21:42:37 2011 No.1428228

>>1428177
>>1428185

well, the problem is that christians themselves don't have a definite idea of what god is, but they are still asserting it in a strong way. yea sure, before the burden of proof, they also have the burden of definition. either way, they have the burden of explaining and justifying their positive assertion.

>>	Fabulous !!GXZe+d0RTva Wed Jan 5 21:42:37 2011 No.1428229 agnostic-atheist if I'm being honest deist if I'm lying to myself nihilist if something occurs which is hard to participate with

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:54:37 2011 No.1428273

Being a Pastor's son I was naturally brought up to be very religious- Christian camps, Sunday school, nightly prayer, ect.- and swallowed everything my parent's told me whole, as most children do. So basically from the time I was able to think I was ostentatiously dominated by Christian dogma in every shape and form. I asked the natural questions as a child: why doesn't god show us he exists? are my non-religious friends really going to hell? how does god know everything and is all powerful yet so much pain and suffering in the world exists? and so on, but every question had a ready answer and as a result I never was critical in thought on these matters, because every child trusts what his Father says. Then one day in 9th grade I got into a major argument with a friend over evolution and went home fuming because I couldn't prove to him how evolution doesn't exist, and went on to spend hours on my computer looking things up so I could prove to him the next day how utterly wrong he was.

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 21:54:37 2011 No.1428274

>>1428273

The more I read about the "proof" that evolution didn't exist the more I realized how purposefully misunderstood the facts were and how illogical and weakly rationalized the excuses for the overwhelming evidence in favor of evolution were; in a matter of hours I slowly began to question my belief in creationism and consequently my faith in god- I guess you can say I had a revelation. At the end of my search I found myself ordering the book of the very person I was always told to not believe: The Greatest Show on Earth, by Richard Dawkins. After reading the book I completely was turned around on the matter of creation vs. evolution and began to have some serious doubts on my blind faith. This led me to read more books, such as Dialogues on Natural Religion by Hume, Why I Am Not a Christian by Bertrand Russell, Studies in Pessimism by Schopenhauer to name a few. After a month or two of heavy contemplation on the matters of these books and many arguments with my Dad and church going friends I had completely abandoned my faith and became to describe myself as a Deist, which later turned into Agnostic-Atheist, which is where I am to this day. I may not today agree with all Richard Dawkins has to say but I have to be thankful of him for his inadvertent help in my freethought and for his help in my introduction into literature and philosophy, which are two very important objects in my life.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 22:00:37 2011 No.1428291 >>1428273 >>1428274 When I read this sort of story, I focus, I stick my hands together for a moment and clap.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 22:04:37 2011 No.1428301 I don't give a fuck about why we're here or what will there be after we pass I only care about what we do while we are here.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 22:05:37 2011 No.1428305 >>1428291 Thank you, sir

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 22:05:37 2011 No.1428306 >>1428301 Then you're an atheist.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 22:10:37 2011 No.1428323 >>1428274 >>1428273 Everybody loves an anecdote

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 22:13:37 2011 No.1428334 File: 31 KB, 400x400, morgan_freeman.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1428273 >>1428274 Apparently you were raised among stupid people, no wonder you lost faith.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 22:16:37 2011 No.1428345 Atheist.

Koroviev !!bFY778Jwu68 Wed Jan 5 22:31:37 2011 No.1428401

>>1428158
>came into being
>random accident
All my rage. You don't even bother to fucking research the plausible theories in any accurate and comprehensible way (that say no such thing) but you still deny it and your best god-damn argument: "it's random from nothing." Jesus ice-skating Christ on the easy-cheese topping a Ritz fucking cracker.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 22:36:37 2011 No.1428424 Atheist, sort of Agnostic.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 22:44:37 2011 No.1428444 Atheist (agnostic atheist)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 22:47:37 2011 No.1428454 >>1428306 Not necessarily. "Doesn't care" doesn't equate to "doesn't believe". Atheist.

Koroviev !!bFY778Jwu68 Wed Jan 5 22:47:37 2011 No.1428455

>>1428401
http://science.howstuffworks.com/dictionary/astronomy-terms/big-crunch.htm/printable
Please, Christians, point out where you see the "nothing" in this cycle. The best you've got is we don't know what happens in the singularity, which is like telling a 5 year old because they don't understand Boyle the popcorn in the microwave must be magic.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 23:01:37 2011 No.1428494 >>1427877 liberating...not primitive you fag

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 23:05:37 2011 No.1428505 File: 27 KB, 453x330, Picture1.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Late-he-ist here fucking look at that time!

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 23:07:37 2011 No.1428509

>>1428455
Except a singularity is by definition unknowable.

Second, you have a hypothesis not a theory, its not based on more proof than God did it.

Third, you're still supposing that the universe exists as an arbitrary array of contingent facts, which is frankly equivalent to being random. The universe still arises randomly and arbitrarily even if it arises from "something". And the appeal to infinite regress is frankly unsatisfactory as an explanation. Stuff exists because stuff always existed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 23:07:37 2011 No.1428510 >>1428494 there's nothing liberating about ignoring reality. eventually it will come around to bite you in the ass.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 23:11:37 2011 No.1428518 Neopythagorean

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 23:11:37 2011 No.1428519

I believe in dreams, mother earth, father time, the universe, etc. These phenomena make up my concept of God.

Science may tell me what the underlying mechanics of such phenomena are but the way that I experience them and form my reality from them, and ultimately the meaning that accompanies such experiences, is in no apparent way ruled by a natural law. Your algorithms and force diagrams can not provide me with profound symbols and metaphors that add a sense of purpose and direction to my life.

Why can't I have both science and mythology?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 23:12:37 2011 No.1428520 >>1428518 I'll believe you if you can tell me how much Pi is

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 23:14:37 2011 No.1428526 >people thinking agnosticism isn't atheism and to think you were better /lit/ then again, religion thread

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 23:14:37 2011 No.1428528 >>1428520 Somewhere between 3.1 and 3.2

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 23:15:37 2011 No.1428530

The closest term I've found is pantheism.

I feel I should type up a personal spiritual manifesto or something to clarify and solidify my stance, but for now it's something nebulous and I'm sure containing a few inconsistencies.
I get very embarrassed and fumbly when I try to explain it in person right now, as things like the beautiful intricacy of the universe, fundamental unity of all living things and the sacred rarity of every instant and being come up a lot.
I feel like it comes across as standard issue stupid hippie stoner bullcrap, which frustrates me because it's something I worked at for a long time and put a lot of thought into.
Carl Sagan played a big part in it. "We are a way for the Universe to know itself."

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 23:21:37 2011 No.1428538 File: 406 KB, 845x634, cimg0317.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1428530 >I feel I should type up a personal spiritual manifesto or something to clarify and solidify my stance Please do, and post it here, we are waiting in anticipation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 23:26:37 2011 No.1428545 Mainstream (meaning not a fundamentalist) Protestant Christian - Lutheran / Presbyterian

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 23:43:37 2011 No.1428593

>ITT: Atheists, idiots who reply agnosticism when asked about their belief of god(s), and idiots who were brought up as a (insertreligion).

There are over 10,000 religions. Maybe more than that. All varying with themes related to each generation of new religions. All containing a deity. With these chances, none of them exist. None of their established laws can exist long-term.

In a few thousand years, all the modern religions practiced today will be part of the past, just as the beliefs of Neanderthals or other primitive or ancient religion had become.

This I can guarantee you. Go butthurt bonkers, you won't change anything.

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 23:45:37 2011 No.1428597

>>1428593
.In a few thousand years, all the modern religions practiced today will be part of the past, just as the beliefs of Neanderthals or other primitive or ancient religion had become.This I can guarantee you. Go butthurt bonkers, you won't change anything.

I bet Epicurus thought so as well.

U mad you'll never live in an atheist world

Anonymous Wed Jan 5 23:51:37 2011 No.1428610

>>1428538
I apologize if that came across as arrogant, maybe manifesto was a poor choice of words. I probably wouldn't show it to anybody who hadn't asked to see it.

If you're not being sarcastic, and are genuinely interested, I could drop a thread in a few days about it. Critique would probably be a good thing.

I don't know who Fakefro Frontalot is, so I'm not sure which meaning you intended.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 23:54:37 2011 No.1428617 >>1428593 I agree with all that, but there are religions without deities. Religion is a cosmological view of the universe based on a set of beliefs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 5 23:59:37 2011 No.1428632 >>1428617 It also includes a social/ritual aspect as well

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 00:00:37 2011 No.1428636 >>1428593 yes because no religon is over a few thousand years old. thats impossible

Anonymous Thu Jan 6 00:02:37 2011 No.1428640

>>1428593
All the current major religions have been around for at least a couple thousand years.

In terms of ideology you can look back to ancient greece a few thousand years ago and modern society and see quite a few parallels.

What exactly will and what won't change over a few thousand years is not clear cut.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 00:05:37 2011 No.1428647 >>1428640 actually with our societys lust to record and catalog everything the chances of the current religons lasting thousands of years is much more likely

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 00:05:39 2011 No.1428646 >>1428597 Christianity has already been around for a few thousand years. Judaism has been around for more than a few thousand years, and Hinduism even longer than Judaism. I can see them lasting for a few thousand more years if humans are still around.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 00:07:37 2011 No.1428652 I think he was talking of practicing religions, but yeah; thousands of years is just a bit short nowadays.

Koroviev !!bFY778Jwu68 Thu Jan 6 00:08:37 2011 No.1428655

>>1428509
>singularity is unknowable.
See, Timmy, Boyle's Laws of Thermodynamics-- well, no, forget it... See, Timmy, the popcorn is magic, there's a little demon in the microwave...

>no more proof than God did it.
No. There is rational evidence for an expanding and contracting universe. There is also empirical evidence for an infinitely expanding universe. See, here in the real world, "proofs" are pieces of evidence linked logically to other pieces of evidence which can be verified. There are proofs for the Big Bang whether you view it as the event which began the universe or simply part of a cycle, it simply is not proven. That is a very important distinction.
>Third, you're still supposing that the universe exists as an arbitrary array of contingent facts, which is frankly equivalent to being random. The universe still arises randomly and arbitrarily even if it arises from "something".
I don't argue random. I argue "random accident." Physics is non-deterministic but not accidental, that's just a ridiculously simple-minded way of putting it.
>And the appeal to infinite regress is frankly unsatisfactory as an explanation. Stuff exists because stuff always existed.
Translation:
>I judge scientific ideas with my emotions.

Anonymous Thu Jan 6 00:15:37 2011 No.1428668

>>1428640
Today it's different. We will not lose track of what is happening anymore, we are going to be just as confuse as we are now. The entire world will be connected and no thought will emerge without being recorded. We just cannot enter another dark age or "forget" about an empire or country. Let's say something happends and Madagascar does not exist anymore. It would not take a few thousand years for someone to discover the ruins of the lost continent of Madagascar, we would not only know everything about it, but it would be news for the entire world too.

>>1428647
You say religions will last, I say the opposite will happen. Not that everyone will be atheist, because god is a natural (but irrational) response, but we will see all those religion institutions crumble in smaller ones. This is happening right now by the way. As mentioned before, most christians do not take the bible literally anymore, people are finding new excuses, each person has a different god. They don't burn you for this anymore.

not an english speaker

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 00:28:37 2011 No.1428690 >>1428668 i see what you mean with the whole crumblings and what not, but i think the only thing that could get rid of some of the religons today would be an apocolypse and a new begining

Anonymous Thu Jan 6 00:28:37 2011 No.1428692

>>1428655
>See, Timmy, Boyle's Laws of Thermodynamics-- well, no, forget it... See, Timmy, the popcorn is magic, there's a little demon in the microwave...
What do you think singularity means? "a singularity is in general a point at which a given mathematical object is not defined, or a point of an exceptional set where it fails to be well-behaved"

Second is it even theoretically possible to have empirical data on the proto-universal singularity, even if you generate some math it can never be validated?

Math don't work there, and empiricism can't happen. Its unknowable, not just unknown.

>No. There is rational evidence for an expanding and contracting universe. There is also empirical evidence for an infinitely expanding universe. See, here in the real world, "proofs" are pieces of evidence linked logically to other pieces of evidence which can be verified. There are proofs for the Big Bang whether you view it as the event which began the universe or simply part of a cycle, it simply is not proven. That is a very important distinction.
We have evidence for an expanding universe, one that has increased its rate of expansion. No evidence for a contracting universe. And certainly no evidence for a cyclical univere.

>I don't argue random. I argue "random accident." Physics is non-deterministic but not accidental, that's just a ridiculously simple-minded way of putting it.
It lacks intention therefore its all accidental, from the Latin for "to happen". Its an event without intention, what more do you want from an "accident"

>Translation:
>>I judge scientific ideas with my emotions.
Wrong its not a scientific idea cause it doesn't explain any observable fact, reality before the big bang or after a hypothetical big crunch is so far removed from an possible empirical knowledge as to make conjecture not even wrong. But when it comes to metaphysical bullshit, yes I do feel justified in judging with my emotions.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 00:39:37 2011 No.1428716 Didn't read the thread. Not gonna get myself involved in the arguments that have undoubtedly happened in 183 posts. I am an atheist. My facebook "religious views" section says "none."

Anonymous Thu Jan 6 00:39:37 2011 No.1428718
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>>1428668
>Implying everyone in North America can't be obliterated in the next hour or so
>Implying some shit like this won't happen in the following thousand years or so
>Implying files on computers don't diminish is quality over time
>Implying computers can't be easily destroyed
>Implying something like the burning of the Library of Alexandria can't and won't happen in the future
>Implying Madagascar is a continent
>Implying
>Implying
>Implying

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 00:42:37 2011 No.1428724 Roman Catholic.

Anonymous Thu Jan 6 00:57:37 2011 No.1428768

>>1428690
A new beggining will probably bring us new religions...

>>1428718
>Implying everyone in North America can't be obliterated in the next hour or so
Who said anything about North America? Yes, it could but the rest of the world would remember it.
>Implying some shit like this won't happen in the following thousand years or so
Could happen, but maybe not. Diplomatic solutions are better, not because they are more peaceful, but because it's easier to rule from money and influence rather than guns. Win-win.
>Implying files on computers don't diminish is quality over time
Hurp. And probably yes, quality will be shit, but quantity will be enough and we only need a few experts on each subject. Knowledge as we know it is doomed. One more point to my theory that from now on, everything will be different.
>Implying computers can't be easily destroyed
One, two, a thousand, yes. Internet? Cloud computing? All the medias? You have to destroy all computers.
>Implying something like the burning of the Library of Alexandria can't and won't happen in the future
Think of all the books published every year. All of them have at least one copy on a public library. Think of all the information on the internet, all of it is onilne for everyone else to see. Again, you have to destroy A LOT to see some actual change on this subject. How many books were there in the world when Alexandria was burnt down? What was the percentage of knowledge there?
>Implying Madagascar is a continent
I did not imply that, I implied that if we did not live in a modern world and Madagascar was destroyed, then some faggot would call it "the lost continent" just like Atlantis faggots.

>>	yxbart Thu Jan 6 01:03:37 2011 No.1428783 >>1428718 go read fight club or something

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 01:12:37 2011 No.1428798 File: 15 KB, 245x325, 245_Lenin,Trotsky.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] AFTER THAT THREAD ASK YOURSELF WHY YOU ARE READING LIT AND NOT EITHER FEUERBACH OR DOSTOYEVSKY

Anonymous Thu Jan 6 01:26:37 2011 No.1428821

>>1428718
>Implying files on computers don't diminish is quality over time
True. For example, FLAC uses lossless compression, while MP3 is 'lossy'. What this means is that for each year the MP3 sits on your hard drive, it will lose roughly 12kbps, assuming you have SATA - it's about 15kbps on IDE, but only 7kbps on SCSI, due to rotational velocidensity. You don't want to know how much worse it is on CD-ROM or other optical media.

I started collecting MP3s in about 2001, and if I try to play any of the tracks I downloaded back then, even the stuff I grabbed at 320kbps, they just sound like crap. The bass is terrible, the midrange...well don't get me started. Some of those albums have degraded down to 32 or even 16kbps. FLAC rips from the same period still sound great, even if they weren't stored correctly, in a cool, dry place. Seriously, stick to FLAC, you may not be able to hear the difference now, but in a year or two, you'll be glad you did.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 01:47:37 2011 No.1428842 I'm an agnostic deist.

>>	Abstinant !V9T5.NK8mo Thu Jan 6 01:51:37 2011 No.1428844 >>1428783 can I subscribe to your newsletter?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 02:00:37 2011 No.1428849 Reconstructed Proto-Indo-European. Hail *Dyēus Phter!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 02:01:37 2011 No.1428851 agnostic muslim

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 02:06:37 2011 No.1428856 gnostic

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 02:07:37 2011 No.1428858 agnostic atheist I refuse any dogmatic beliefs.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 02:10:37 2011 No.1428861 I'm Roman catholic. Btw , quite funny to see how a board that likes boasting its intellectual superiority and its open-mindedness has a view on religion (~ 80% of the replies) that a 15 yo rebellious kid could have without ever thinking by himself.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 02:11:37 2011 No.1428862 agnostic

Anonymous Thu Jan 6 02:12:37 2011 No.1428864

>>1428821
they sound crap because they were ripped by amateurs and probably compiled by some douchebag on napster, not because they've, as you suggest, degraded so incredibly... Either that or your ear has become more refined as you've gotten older and you can now distinguish between a decent a shitty rip

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 02:12:37 2011 No.1428865 >>1428864 You just replied to ancient troll copypasta.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 02:14:37 2011 No.1428866 >>1428865 oh... lawl ?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 02:19:37 2011 No.1428868 >>1428865 Can't you assume that a different opinion isn't always a troll you dumbass ?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 02:21:37 2011 No.1428870 I identify as a Deist. Primarily because I don't have the energy to be either an ardent theist, or a dedicated atheist.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 02:21:37 2011 No.1428871 Zoroastrian

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 02:24:37 2011 No.1428875 Cult of Dionysus

>>	Abstinant !V9T5.NK8mo Thu Jan 6 02:28:37 2011 No.1428880 File: 727 KB, 1944x2592, temp.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >rotational velocidensity

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 02:31:37 2011 No.1428884 I am an Atheist. And if god is real, hes going to have to explain a few things to me

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 02:39:37 2011 No.1428892 >>1428884 Like what? Why he doesn't rescue humanity every time they dig a hole and fall in it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 02:44:37 2011 No.1428900 Esoterism. It's the only way to go.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 02:49:37 2011 No.1428907 Orthodox Christian.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 02:55:37 2011 No.1428914 >>1428884 Like why your penis is so small?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 02:55:37 2011 No.1428915 >>1428892 this made me laugh. +1 internets to you sir

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 02:56:37 2011 No.1428918 >>1428892 Well, what's the deal with airline food?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 11:45:37 2011 No.1429498 Buddhist (Theravada)

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 11:49:37 2011 No.1429508 Militant Agnostic. I don't know. I don't care. And neither should anyone else. (Though on the last census form I had to complete I listed "New Orthodox Reformed [last-name-here]ist")

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 11:51:37 2011 No.1429512 nihilistic pantheist here i say im an atheist though when people ask. or if its important i say christian

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 12:03:37 2011 No.1429540 >>1429512 >if it's important I say christian Pussy. Seriously, grow a spine and stand up for your supposed beliefs.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 12:04:37 2011 No.1429543 >>1429540 I don't think many job applications have "Nihilistic Pantheist" on them, which is I think what he means.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 12:07:37 2011 No.1429552 File: 604 KB, 1200x1600, Luciferian Cross Tattoo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm a Luciferian.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 12:10:37 2011 No.1429558 >>1429540 i believe i dont want to stand up for my beliefs. also, i dont even want people to believe what i believe, the world would be a worse place

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 12:13:37 2011 No.1429563 Mormon, here!

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 12:13:37 2011 No.1429564 >>1429552 You're a tinkertwat if you actually put that shit on your body.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 12:15:37 2011 No.1429569 File: 28 KB, 300x346, Gaga Wants to Know.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1429564 Is there a problem?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 12:22:37 2011 No.1429587 >>1429543 So write it in, most applications have a write in spot for an "other" option. My point is, it's revolting to me that someone would lie about their religious beliefs.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 12:23:37 2011 No.1429591 >>1429587 why is that revolting to you?

>>	Abstinant !V9T5.NK8mo Thu Jan 6 12:27:37 2011 No.1429602 (see Plato)

>>	♥onionring♥ !Rrxa7zePwI Thu Jan 6 13:07:37 2011 No.1429695 >plato confused mysticism besmirching the good name of philosophy since forever. amen.

>>	Deep&Edgy !pSkjEcB9sQ Thu Jan 6 13:25:37 2011 No.1429709 Zen Theosophist who practices the Fourth Way and some Chaos magick

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 13:30:37 2011 No.1429721 I'm a pragmatists I choose to believe whatever is most useful in any given situation. At times that's been Christianity, Atheism, Buddhism, once I was a devout pagan.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 13:30:37 2011 No.1429723 Agnostic atheistic anti-theist, reporting in.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 13:31:37 2011 No.1429725 >>1429721 Oh fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 13:32:37 2011 No.1429729 File: 24 KB, 480x322, 1283081167223.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1429569 Gaga thread?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 13:36:37 2011 No.1429739 >>1428868 Retard. It's copypasta.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 13:39:37 2011 No.1429747 File: 895 KB, 1611x926, 1281408787517.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] u mad /lit/?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 13:40:37 2011 No.1429748 >>1429729 >>1429747 I have no clue who that is.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 13:42:37 2011 No.1429755 File: 42 KB, 490x440, 0129_lady_gaga.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 13:42:37 2011 No.1429756 >>1429748 sure you dont

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 13:45:37 2011 No.1429760 File: 254 KB, 800x1114, 1281405371330.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 13:45:37 2011 No.1429762 Is Lady Gaga Catholic or what?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 14:01:37 2011 No.1429805 Muslim convert here. U jelly infadels?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 14:47:37 2011 No.1429875 TBH just because you can't understand God doesn't mean he isn't real. I often find this is the case with atheists/agnostics. Most of them are just dawkins fanboys and have never read the bible.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 14:50:37 2011 No.1429885 Agnostic master race

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 14:54:37 2011 No.1429894 >>1429885 Yeah, more like agnostic-afraid-to-make-a-stand-because-he's-worried-what-people-will-think-of-him-tier

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 14:54:37 2011 No.1429895 Atheist, but I kinda wish I wasn't. Sometimes I think it'd be nice to believe in something, IMO.

Anonymous Thu Jan 6 14:55:37 2011 No.1429901

>>1429875
TBH I've read the whole bible, it contradicts itself a lot and is a load of bullshit that you can tell is written by people who had no idea about anything.
Science and the laws of the universe explain a lot more than you think and eradicate the need for a God. It's human nature to look for something like a God but we've outgrown it.
Lots of people have this vision of Dawkins as a really militant atheist but he's actually a humanist like me - meet him in real life and you'll see it's mostly the media's doing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 14:57:37 2011 No.1429906 File: 32 KB, 360x507, 1284415236984.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1429901

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 14:57:37 2011 No.1429908 I believe god is real, but I'm also an atheist.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 14:57:37 2011 No.1429911 >>1429895 >Sometimes I think it'd be nice to believe in something Hopefully none of the options going...

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 15:00:37 2011 No.1429917 >>1429908 haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha

Anonymous Thu Jan 6 15:04:37 2011 No.1429933

Agnostic since about 12. A friend invited me to her youth bible group; that shit backfired like a mutha! The couple leading the group had shit answers for all of my questions, which solidified the disquiet I was already feeling. I don't look down on religious people, I just personally don't need religion to be a good person/ be happy with life/etc..

>>	Fabulous !!GXZe+d0RTva Thu Jan 6 16:42:37 2011 No.1430143 >>1429933 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkEJtQJ5tz4&feature=player_embedded

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 16:44:37 2011 No.1430149 Christian.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 16:46:37 2011 No.1430158 File: 76 KB, 572x781, hagrid.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1429709 yer a wizard deep&edgy

>>	Deep&Edgy !pSkjEcB9sQ Thu Jan 6 16:48:37 2011 No.1430162 File: 8 KB, 269x215, varg.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1430158

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 16:52:37 2011 No.1430167 Asatru, but lately I've been having a crisis of faith.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 16:53:37 2011 No.1430170 secular jew

Anonymous Thu Jan 6 16:55:37 2011 No.1430174

>>1430143
I like how the douche in that video thinks he knows what others believe.

I'm an agnostic in that I literally don't fucking know.
I go to church now and then, so I'm not going to be a moron and say I'm an atheist. But at the same time I'm very well aware of the fact that much of it is bullshit and there is a very good chance all of it is.
But still, can you really call me an atheist? Hell no.

Anonymous Thu Jan 6 17:00:37 2011 No.1430197
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>>1430143

>Agnostics believe their view is a less severe view of disbelief

I stopped watching there. This retard needs a dictionary.
Whay are there so many retards that believe that Agnosticism is a half-way house between belief and disbelief?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 17:22:37 2011 No.1430270 >>1428851 >agnostic muslim Enjoy being tortured in hell for your lack of faith in Allah

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 17:23:37 2011 No.1430276 >>1430197 This.

>>	♥onionring♥ !Rrxa7zePwI Thu Jan 6 17:26:37 2011 No.1430284 agnostics are confused and most are ignorant as to why.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 17:32:37 2011 No.1430298 File: 129 KB, 379x214, middle238.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Atheist

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 17:33:37 2011 No.1430301 I'm a gnostic-atheist

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 20:40:37 2011 No.1430906 i think I might be a post-modernist.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 20:45:37 2011 No.1430921 I'm a Qur'an aloner Muslim.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 21:02:37 2011 No.1430972 100% OG

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 21:07:37 2011 No.1430978 Started off as a Hindu. Now, a kind of Non-Denominational Neo-Pagan. I have my own beliefs.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 21:08:37 2011 No.1430981 Sufi Islam

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 21:20:37 2011 No.1431015 Maltheist: Death won't save you. There is no way out. Something horrible's waiting on the other side. (just for me though)

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 21:24:37 2011 No.1431035 File: 285 KB, 532x798, gunslinger.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >269 posts and 34 image replies omitted. >/lit/

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 6 21:29:37 2011 No.1431051 Agnostic-Buddhist

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