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First Frost Edition
What do you plan to finish before the year's end?

Monthly Reading, December: ?

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>> No.14277368

Nice artwork. I'd like to live somewhere where I'd truly experience winter... although it'd be nice to actually enjoy it and have a nice time. I wonder how a place like that would feel.
I have an old s&s book, Sword of Winter. Writen by Marta Randall, haven't read it yet. Any anons that read it? I think it'll be my next read. Last /sffg/ book I finished was Children of Time which I enjoyed.

>> No.14277431

>>14277368
Where do you lie?

>> No.14277447

>>14277431
Nowhere - you wanna come? We'll be home by the end of the year.

>> No.14277455

>>14277345
First for Sanderfag a hack

>> No.14277474

Best Dune book?
Hard Mode: Best book written by Brian Herbert

>> No.14277490

>>14277447
Where is home?

>> No.14277501
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14277501

TIME TO VOTE!

The nominees are as follows:

The Bear and the Nightingale,
by Katherine Arden. ~325 pages
>https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25489134-the-bear-and-the-nightingale

Early Riser,
by Jasper Fforde. ~400 pages
>https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23498264-early-riser

An Antarctic Mystery,
by Jules Verne. ~200 pages
>https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/719181.An_Antarctic_Mystery

Pushing Ice,
by Alastair Reynolds. ~450 pages
>https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/89186.Pushing_Ice

Ice,
by Anna Kavan. ~150 pages
>https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/636223.Ice

The Ice Schooner,
by Michael Moorcock. ~175 pages
>https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/60157.The_Ice_Schooner

Poll: https://www.strawpoll.me/19026702

While They Do the Same Things Different There seem like a great read, 6 books is enough so I disqualified it because it's not snow related.

>> No.14277531

>>14277490
Where the heart is...
>>14277501
I vote for Ice. Already read Asylum Piece by Anna Kavan, very interesting author.

>> No.14277532

>>14277501
>tfw you live in the southern hemisphere
I need some summer christmas books to read.

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>>14277345
First for older women ain't so bad

>> No.14277553
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14277553

The general consensus seem to be that the book was good. The main thing readers seem to disagree about is the relationship between Eli and Oskar. Is it special, will it last? Personally I felt like it was special, but I don't think it will stay special. Oskar is already traumatized by the bullying, and the lifestyle forced on him by living with Eli will hardly work wonders on his mental health. My takeaway was that Eli connected with him because he was vulnerable and innocent, something that won't last if he become a psychotic killer.

Any other thoughts?

>> No.14277554

>>14277501
>Ice
>The Ice Schooner
Finally some good taste in this god forsaken place

>> No.14277579

read black company and enjoyed it. Read book of the new sun and enjoyed. Getting ready for malazan. Can /sffg/ go 3 for 3

>> No.14277631

Can someone explain what's the deal with sci-fi and sex scenes? How is Molly fingering Johnny important to the plot?

>> No.14277667

>>14277474
Fuck you

>> No.14277686

>>14277501
I read the Ice Schooner 2 years ago and I only remember it being an alright pulp kind of book, I did like the ending though.

>> No.14277706

>>14277553
i read it a while ago, shortly after seeing the Swedish film. Is it implied they fuck in the book?

>> No.14277764

>>14277579
Same but with Powder Mage instead of Malazan. I started reading Malazan but very VERY quickly lost interest because it reads like Elder Scrolls fanfic. All races are brightly coloured humans and there's no depth.

>> No.14277796
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>>14277548
>tfw no hot mommy

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>>14277631
>plot

>> No.14278038

What do we think about Le Guin here? Opinions on Earthsea? Left Hand of Darkness? Others?

>> No.14278068

>litrpg
>protag picks a human alchemist with a twist

Gg author you even literally had way more interesting shit you wrote as an option

>> No.14278090

>>14278038
she's /sffg/ official waifu

>> No.14278123

>>14277501
Ice

>> No.14278199

>>14278038
>What do we think about Le Guin here? Opinions on Earthsea? Left Hand of Darkness? Others?
Read the first earthsea a few days ago. Beautiful prose, fast paced and interesting story that doesn't bore me with useless shit and instead focuses on what makes fantasy great.

Next one on the list is lathe of heaven from which I've heard many good things already. Looking forward to it.

>> No.14278267

>>14278038
Tehanu is...
disappointing

>> No.14278311

>>14278068
It’s really the worst when they do that
>ranger/assassin/thief/alchemist
Bullshit. I’ve dropped litrpg before at class selection

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Are there any /sffg/ books about hunting/killing eldritch abominations?

>> No.14278439

>>14278311
Yea me too
They throw all these potentials at you 5hen take it away, no interesting things here Mates, only generic litrpg with terrible quips and references to 90s pop culture

So frustrating

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I'm going to read "The Devil in Iron" after I've finished off some non fiction books. So far, I've enjoyed most of Howard's writing.

>> No.14278472

>>14277631
On top of the fact that it's genre fiction and sex sells, most SF writers are weird pervs.

>> No.14278481

>>14278267
Le Guin literally read some feminist essay that made her have some sort of awakening and everything she wrote afterwards sucked.

>> No.14278585

I just read my first webnovel, mother of learning. I had fun, recommendations please. Don’t say worm, female protagonists and superheroes are my triggers. No, I don’t care if it “totally subverts the tropes bro”

>> No.14278590

>>14278585
I couldn’t finish mother of learning, it kinda sucked t b h

>> No.14278602

>>14277345
discworld and tolkien are the only fantasy books ive read, and i hated tolkien
give me recs pls

>> No.14278605

>>14278590
I don’t need (you)s from idiots, only recommendations from people with similar tastes.

>> No.14278626

>>14278602
you aren’t welcome here

>> No.14278646

>>14278626
ok fag

>> No.14278675

>>14278481
So she only wrote three good books?

>> No.14278771

>>14278602
The Demon Princes

>> No.14278817

Is it normal (for /lit standards) to have more or less an entire well rendered universe devised for one's own purposes? Centuries of history, detailed etymologies, et cetera
Asking for a friend

>> No.14278860

>to pass the trial you must defeat yourself,f!

>> No.14278918

>>14278038
I might have liked her if she'd stayed alt but in this tranny world she reads like just another strident dogmatist.

>> No.14278932
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I believe BRANDON SANDERSON has a foot fetish. My reason for believing this is because I have a foot fetish so I pick up on things most humans do not. Take for instance the ever shitty House of Cards. Now, I do not like this show (House of Cards) but I did sit through 4 seasons of that crap hoping it would get better, and in that time I noticed numerous examples of blatant foot fan service. It is a good fetish to pander to because it occupies a gray area due to the lack of nudity, which is why its perfect for a guy like BRANDON SANDERSON. Reading Mistborn, I can't help but notice how many times we are reminded of Vin's cute bare footedness. She's barefoot on the roof, toes clutching the edge. She's barefoot on cobblestone, only to walk on marble. Vin walked to his bed BAREFOOT, making no sound. Of course the obvious explanation (for the mundane majority of men) is that Vin is a Mistborn -- a thief -- and strives to remain quiet. She has to make lots of sacrifices due to the magneto magic of BRANDON SANDERSON'S world, such as never wearing toe rings or anklets (unless they are wooden or something) but I do not believe this is the sole reason for the foot prose on display in these books. The author (BRANDON SANDERSON) has fueled my spirit with his depiction of Vin. I have a hard time getting through the pages when I keep seeing examples of her beautiful foot-based dexterity, yet its these very passages that push me further on. I see visions of Vin toying with Elend, giving her man a royal footjob that any king would crave with her expertly trained toes. I think about Vin embarrassed, painting her toe nails to match her dress while Zane watches from the window. I think about her wearing glass slippers to show off her new feminine toes at the balls! Oh what a sight to behold! I am not even on the third book so I can't begin to imagine how much footy goodness is still to come. Anyway, these are my reasons for suspecting BRANDON SANDERSON has a foot fetish.

>> No.14279019

>>14278602
>hated tolkien
Yikes. That's cringe, bro.

>> No.14279075

>reading GotM
>really liked "book" 1
>"book" 2 is some Darujhistan shit with literal whos
do these new characters connect in any integral way to the "book" 1 characters later or is this just (((worldbuilding))) filler?

>> No.14279078

>>14279075
This happens more than once

>> No.14279081

>>14279075
Yes they connect. Also, book two is the best book Erickson ever wrote.

>> No.14279095

>>14279081
for clarification i'm referring to the "book 2" within Gardens, not Deadhouse Gates
>>14279078
yikes. i wouldn't mind if it held up to the characters I'd already met but the whole book seems to have taken a nosedive. I'm hoping it picks up soon, nearly on "book 3"

>> No.14279102

>>14279075
>or is this just (((worldbuilding))) filler?
This is the majority of Malazan. You start to realize pretty quickly Erikson writes shit happening just to happen as an excuse to world-build.

>> No.14279110

>>14279095
Oh. Yeah, then they intertwine later in the book. It’s just a perspective shift.

>> No.14279147

>>14279102
shame. i was really hoping this would be the big epic gee o tee scope series for me but i guess it's just a polished account of his D&D days

>> No.14279152

That’s the cancer of “epic” fantasy where they have like 6 pov’s

It’s disgusting

>> No.14279157

>>14279147
Perhaps you should try reading Bakker then.

>> No.14279162

>>14279152
aren't there any that are planned well?

>> No.14279195

The top three characters in Malazan are
>Trull
followed VERY CLOSELY by
>Tehol
>Bugg
The last two are tied.
If you disagree, your opinion is objectively incorrect.

>> No.14279271

>>14279152
>6 pov's
>6
kek, I take it you've never read Malazan

>> No.14279362

>>14279162
Multiple points of view is in fact an oxymoron
Books are intended and designed to have a single protag, a single point of view

>> No.14279399

>>14279362
unless the author(s) intends otherwise

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>>14278932

>> No.14279498

>>14278932
i believe anon has a mormon fetish

>> No.14279849

Is I, Robot a good place to start with Asimov? And Golden Age scifi in general?

>> No.14279887

>>14279849
For specifically Asimov, definitely. For Golden Age stuff in general, it's good, but there are a couple other big authors you might want to look up too.

>> No.14280159

>>14279849
Read Foundation, spend a few more books trying to chase the dragon, then realize Asimov is kind of a hack and move on.

>> No.14280259

>>14277501
Ice Schooner sounds interesting.

>> No.14280266

>>14279195
I can respect that. Trull is a most based lad.

>> No.14280295

>>14279195

i like icarium and kallor

>> No.14280337

/sffg/, did you ever write a scene and think to yourself "there is no way I can ever let my mom see this?"

I think I just had one of those moments writing a scene where the main character and his friend mock the weird over his inflation fetish

>> No.14280382

>>14280337
>>>>>14266397

>> No.14280389

>>14280382
>>>>>14277345

>> No.14280424

>>14280337
I write a lot of erotica, so yeah.

>> No.14280433

>>14279195
>not Beak

>> No.14280451

So, Children of Blood and Bone is getting a sequel this month. Does anyone here care?

>>14280424
>tfw this is supposed to be for a YA novel

>>14279152
6 pov's and literally the only one worth following is "the boy" or "the girl". That's every fucking fantasy published now and the ones that don't follow that formula are even worse for some reason. What the fuck?

>> No.14280484

Whoa, this 6 year old kid called Ender just called another black kid a nigger.

>> No.14280499

>>14280484
ender's game is a good book, but I don't even know where to begin with some of the shit Card has going on.

He didn't just call his black friend the N-word, he called him the N-word while the two of them were walking around naked, which is habitual because they're not permitted to wear clothes, and the subtext made it clear they're emotionally intimate

fucking christ Orson Scott. No wonder you have to go on homophobic tirades to smokescreen. That's not just gay shit, that's a whole other jar of molasses

>> No.14280521

>>14280499
I don't know about the naked bit because they were in spacesuits in the anti-gravity training battleroom but holy shit I continued and now Ender is crying and the black kid is kissing him better. Hmmm. I suppose them being 6 year olds makes it alright within context since I imagine their parents kissed their booboos better but man, I don't know anything about OSC but I won't be surprised if he really is a closet homopedo.

>> No.14280543

>>14280521
oh, my bad. I got the scene wrong. They're only naked when they're not in training.

Honestly, as messed up as this shit is, Ender is legitimately one of the most convincing gay characters I've ever read, and it's not even a footnote in his life. Card having him marry a woman he had negative chemistry with was the worst mistake he ever made

>> No.14280561

Just finished Gormenghast, should I read Titus Alone and satisfy my inner completionist?

I've heard the book is not as good as the previous two.

>> No.14280573

>>14280561
It's not worth it, though Muzzlehatch is a good character.
Spoilers for the ending:
Titus journeys out from Gormenghast, begins to doubt its existence, then upon finding it again, turns away and leave. The whole book just ends near identically to Gormenghast and the whole thing feels pretty pointless.

>> No.14280621

>>14280499
> the subtext made it clear they're emotionally intimate
nah. that's not in Enders Game at all.

Songmaster on the otherhand ....

>> No.14280675

>>14277631
>Molly fingering Johnny
phwoar

>> No.14280685

>>14280451
>povs
And the worst thing is when none of them have met before and as the story slowly progresses the whole thing will come together.
And on top of that it is in Volume 2 where some random person distracts me from the MC and his journey. I hate it.

>> No.14280762

>>14278038
Earthsea was peak /comfy/, and her old style feminism wasn't too heavy imo.

>> No.14280824

>>14278771
is this an actual recommendation or a meme

>> No.14280842

>>14279195
Well, at least you got the number one right, that has to count for something.

>> No.14280857

>>14279075
>do these new characters connect in any integral way to the "book" 1
Yes, but do keep in mind that you are reading a series by an author who has zero problems with setting a book in the middle on his series on an entirely different continent with nearly no previous connection, except a few characters. And that not only once.

>or is this just (((worldbuilding))) filler?
I personally believe that Erikson doesn't really world build all that much, the different characters will converge towards the end of the book and will reappear through the series, so it is much more about the characters then the world as such.

>> No.14280939

>>14280159
The only good Foundation story is about the Mule.

>> No.14280950

>>14278605
This thread is for discussion, you fucking piece of shit

>> No.14281049

>>14280159
Asimov had great ideas but his characters were one dimensional and his prose was only average. Same is true of most of the golden age writers t.b.h.

>> No.14281299

>>14278068
>>14278311
I hate when they write stats. It's like the author is masturbating while looking you in the eyes.

>> No.14281312

what is that book where they're getting the band of characters back together and the narrator speaks of the thief being "ridden" by his drug

>> No.14281317

>>14281312
The kings of the wyld?

>> No.14281326

>>14281317
no, waaay too new. we're talking 90s, maybe 80s.

this was in the early part, btw, where they're still getting back together, and it was used as a reason why he was too fucked up to help. all the other guys had shit wrong with them too.

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14281341

Is this a good book if I enjoyed the original Night Land and other work by Hodgson?

>> No.14281343

https://apps.npr.org/best-books/#tags=sci+fi%2C+fantasy+%26+speculative+fiction&view=covers&year=2019

2019 version is out

>> No.14281361

>>14281343
Maneaters is fucking garbage. Who likes that tripe.

>> No.14281407

>>14277501
>make reading suggestion for the first time
>it doesn't even get into the nominees list
I hate christmas

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14281436

Can anyone recommend an author similar to Abercrombie? I've read everything by him i like him a lot better than GRRM.

>> No.14281544

>>14281436
Read bakker

>> No.14281622

>>14281544
I have. Any others, less known?

>> No.14281707

>>14281343
>year=2019
>All Systems Red
The book was released 2017, what did they mean by this?

>> No.14281742

Is Robert E. Howard a good author to start?

>> No.14281793

>>14281742
REH is good, yes.

>> No.14281835

>>14281326
Kings of the wyld.

>> No.14281910

>>14281341
Yeah it's great.

>> No.14281919

>>14280824
It's an actual recommendation. Yeah it's "science fiction" but it's really a fantasy with a space setting.

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14282036

Anyone know of a decent fantasy book that heavily features necromancy? I read Sabriel and I liked the stuff there, but I'd prefer something more traditional necromancy, i.e. raising the dead, being undead or whatever.

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14282056

Except the usual Lovecraft, King, Barker etc... can anyone suggest me god tier horror authors and books? I am currently reading R.Matheson Hellhouse and so far I like it a lot.

>> No.14282073

>>14282036
The rise of Nagash is ok.

>> No.14282106

>>14277345
Anything that will give me this feel?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpc1YWFF7Bs
Already read Dune

>> No.14282111

>>14277796
Started playing this game last weekend
Breddy nice.

>> No.14282123
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14282123

Enjoyed pic related a lot.
Was my first and till now only book by Banks.
Can you recommend other writers like him?

>> No.14282209

>>14282036
>i.e. raising the dead, being undead or whatever.
That classic meaning of the word is not in style at the moment. It's more vogue to be fucking the dead, than raising them (i.e vampire romances).
If you want the classic use, you will have to turn to self published. Death lords, ghouls.

if you don't mind, there is urban fantasy by both men and women that have dealings with the dead. Don't know if you're one of those that hates female authors and hates urban fantasy

>> No.14282247

/sffg/, my writing still feels kind of shitty after two months. it's like my own setting makes me uncomfortable. any advice on how to get into the zone?

>>14282209
okay, first off? that's necro-romancer, not necromancer, though the two often overlap as a sympathetic motive. second? raising the dead isnt the classical sense of necromancy. the classical sense of necromancer is now called a medium, and involved conjuring spirits to gain obscure knowledge.

>> No.14282352

I'm having trouble with something in my fantasy writing and I was wondering if you guys could possibly lead me to a resource.
Specifically: costume design. I usually have somewhat elaborate outfits envisioned for my characters, but I don't quite know the names of the clothes that they're wearing. Is there a resource for outfits and their names throughout history?

>> No.14282358

>>14282352
Just stop putting your characters in meme anime clothes.

>> No.14282362

>>14282358
Well, I'd just like to know the names of these things for my own personal benefit as well. It's odd to describe characters in ceremonial outfits without some semblance of detail.

>> No.14282372

>>14282209
I don't hate female authors, so long as they're not pushing some kind of agenda. I remember a time Le Guin used to be my favorite, but then somewhere along the way her brain malfunctioned and she started shitting out nonsense all around. Also, I don't mind urban fantasy, I actually like the concept of such a thing, but it's so rarely, if ever, pulled off well. I remember reading this one urban fantasy by Glen Cook about a private detective that never hit or harmed a woman because some shitty retarded reason, even when a woman tried to kill him on numerous occasions or killed people he knew.

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14282398

blob horror

>> No.14282424

>>14282398
if I shat the bed on this and it's not a critique thread please disregard

>> No.14282463

want to do a story where Cthulhu wakes up and just leaves, and Ryleh is essentially The Zone

>> No.14282477

>>14277501
how did suggestions happen? In the last thread?

>> No.14282513

>>14280939
I really enjoyed all of the books up to the Mule as well, I just think the series lost steam when it started focusing on the conflict with the Second Foundation, and even more so when it started talking about robots having constructed a Universe with humans as the only intelligent form of life. The early books are very interesting though.

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>interstellar Usenet
Oh God oh fuck why for the love of shit is this a thing in this book? Everything else is creative and fun to read but then all of a sudden niggas start shitposting in galactic discord groups with FTL transmitters calling each other faggots and asking jannies to clean up

>> No.14282521

>>14282517
That's the only good part of the book

>> No.14282594

>>14282517
Probably pretty accurate. The Ancient Romans shitposted, we shitpost, our descendants will shitpost. It's the human condition.

>> No.14282595

>>14282358
bruh
bruh
do you even write in anno domini 2000 + nineteen?

>> No.14283261

>>14282594
Speaking of which. Read Masters of Rome.

>> No.14283270

>>14277345
Can you write a book without a degree?

>> No.14283280

>>14279195
Trull is based

>> No.14283286

>>14283270
a degree of what?

>> No.14283301

>>14282123
would you some azad?

>> No.14283314

>>14283286
college literature, writing etc

>> No.14283378
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14283378

Are these books any good?

>> No.14283383

>>14277345
Any recommendations of some good Bio-sci-fi books?

>> No.14283392

>>14283378
They're pretty good page turners, only read the first two.

>> No.14283402

Anyone else find A Little Hatred extremely disappointing? The most amateurish book I’ve read in a while

>> No.14283479

>>14283392
>only read the first two.
you mean you've only read the first two, or are you recommending me to only read the first two?

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14283618

You read my book, right?

>> No.14283633

>>14281341
Everything is a good book if you enjoyed Nightland Hodgson.

>> No.14283736

>>14283378
The first arc, yes. But it got popular and he had to write more after having run out of story.

>> No.14283738

>>14283479
You can't put too much water in a nuclear reactor.

>> No.14284000

>>14283378
I loved the first book, amazing atmosphere and setting. then the second book felt like it was repeating itself, didn't bother continuing.

>> No.14284105
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https://www.jamessladack.com/books

Unknown but amazing author.

>> No.14284114

>>14284105
>How will the Green Berets and Marines match-up against the deadly SEALs? How are modern weapons neutralized in close combat by Roman swords? Will the temptations of the flesh in Ancient Jerusalem corrupt the hot-blooded Marines? What happens when the SEALs form a relationship with Judas? Who could be opposed to saving Jesus? Will the Hunter-Killer Team turn on Colonel Lake to aid the SEALs in their holy mission? Is the Past immutable or merely fluid consciousness open to alternate histories?

nice stuff

>> No.14284159

>>14284105
>Jewey Jewenstein - Author
Will read if Otto wins.

>> No.14284161

>>14283618
Yes, now write more of them.

>> No.14284172

>>14281436
If you like Abercrombie you probably have brain damage, so maybe try those Sarah J Maas books?

>> No.14284184

>>14279195
I can respect that list.

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So I haven't read anything in months and I'm in a medieval fantasy mood. I remember reading this when I was a child but I can't for the life of me decide if it'll hold up now that I'm older. What's the consensus on /lit/; should I give it another go or is absolute YA trash?

>> No.14284252

>>14284231
If you're not trolling, YA trash.

>> No.14284268

>>14284231
It’s bad

>> No.14284271

>>14284231
MC wants to dick the elf really bad
he doesn't get to
the end

>> No.14284272

>>14284231
Complete trash that only gained popularity because of the "author is so young" meme. It's bog standard Tolkien-derivative tripe with zero original ideas of any kind.

>> No.14284273

>>14284231
Meh. Probably a little worse than harry potter. I read the series when I was younger. There's plenty of better YA fantasy you can find on amazon.

>> No.14284522

>>14282036
Don't know if it will fit your interest but try The Peoples Necromancer by Rex Jameson. I enjoyed it and while its not on the level of classics it was fairly entertaining throughout the 3 books.

>> No.14284597

>>14284105
I'll give it a try James

>> No.14284863

>>14283314
What is self publishing?

>> No.14285463

>>14277455
I read his new sf. I got what I expected (better written TTGL).

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>>14277501
>Poll: https://www.strawpoll.me/19026702
35 people voting is a lot desu.
hope they actually read the thing.

>> No.14285649

>>14285634

Where is the bracchiosaurus in there?

>> No.14285831

>>14283402
I stopped reading abercrombie after best served cold, he's so stuck in his rut it's laughable

>> No.14285850

Sup /sffg/ what are some good scifi with a really unique setting that you wish is utilized or even aped more?

>> No.14285904

>>14285850
there are no unique sci fi stories after jules verne

>> No.14285924

>>14285904
reminder to vote jules verne for December

>> No.14286041

>>14285850
I don't like Viriconium but I wish more stories tried to copy its setting.

BotNS ruined the Dying Earth setting by being too good.

>> No.14286096

>>14284231
It's way worse than your average YA trash. The ending might actually have been the most infuriating thing I've ever read.

>> No.14286100

>>14285634
>35 people voting
It's probably somewhat less as you're allowed to vote on more than one book.

>> No.14286109

>>14285649
After being quite confused for a while I've come to the conclusion that the chart list the longest carnivores. Which is why the blue whale and brachiosaurus among others are "missing".

>> No.14286129

>>14278324

Lovecraft, usually the other way around though

>> No.14286134

>>14279195

I dont know who those are but im only finishing book 2 and clearly baudin and duiker and heboric are the mvp's.
And also felisin is a disgusting, used up whore

>> No.14286139

>>14280337

I once wrote something so lewd i had to burn it in the hearthfire

>> No.14286152

>>14281436
there's a lot of similar ones that came out around the same time, like scott lynch, richard morgan's the steel remains books, luke scull

>> No.14286161

>>14284161
no

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>Vance writes a novel
>but it reads like an anthology
GOD damn it

>> No.14286292

>>14281436
Read Berserk.

>> No.14286301

any good fantasy that is secretly sci-fi? I've read BotNS already

>> No.14286306

>>14286301
By that you just mean stories where humanity nuked itself back into cavemen? Wouldn't giving you any books be a spoiler in and of itself?

>> No.14286316

>>14286301
Dying Earth, Lord of Light.

>> No.14286318

>>14286306
>post-post-apocalyptic
there are more scenarios than that

>> No.14286357

>>14284272
>only gained popularity because of the "author is so young" meme.
It gained popularity because it was wish fulfillment adventure fantasy for a young audience.

>>14286301
Prince of Thorns
>good
oh wait, never mind. It's trash.

>> No.14286365

>>14286357

>It gained popularity because it was wish fulfillment adventure fantasy for a young audience.

The fact that it was literally Star Wars A New Hope might have also helped.

>> No.14286465

Can somebody describe to me (a brainlet) what Freeside actually looks like in Neuromancer? I can't make sense of the geography of everything

>> No.14286525

>>14285634
So the whale and giant squid are the only ones of those monsters that are alive today?(that we know of)
They want to explore the stars, yet we can't map our own ocean.
Didn't they used to say the giant squid was a myth? And I'm sure the Lockness monster was was two or twelve. So much shit that died out in our current lifetime that lived in the water, and we know nothing of it.

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>>14286134
>used up whore

>> No.14286593

>>14286100
>>14285634
>>14277501
>be asked why not end the monthly reading?
>create the poll to allow voting for multiple and then have someone vote several times to make it seem like a lot of votes
>the rigging continues
wew

>> No.14286615

>>14278585
Worth The Candle - Alexander Wales

Kinda like MoL in tone at first but the prose is much better. Has some very very good character writing not just by web novel standards but just by literature standards.

>> No.14286620

>>14286593
what do you mean
why would people feel that strongly about a fucking book?
my book is losing and its not so bad as to cheat.

I personally hope the monthly reading continues, it's an occasion to discover new books

>> No.14286648

>>14284231
Below average ya trash. Cool magic system tho

>> No.14286672

Why do people feel that rape is worse than death?
Almost all the books I read people don't bat an eyelid at a murderer, they even get into relationships with them, but God forbid they find out you put your willie in holes by force. They behave like rape is worse than torture or death. I just don't understand it. A hole may be bruised if you fight it, but torture you lose limbs, and with murder you are dead. So by all these author's logic, death is preferred to rape? Is it because sex holds so much power and you're taking it away by force? Sex brought down many giants in history (women using sex to convince the men to do something). So is it hatred that the power they hold is being "wasted"?
What happens when they are raped and orgasms multiple times? Is it still worse than death?

>> No.14286688

>>14286672
Because women are the gatekeepers of sex and pussy is the only thing that gives them any value. So if you take it by force and don't have to earn it or be Chad enough for them to throw it at you, then it's like you've desecrated their existence as a human.

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>>14286593
>be asked why not end the monthly reading?
>create the poll to allow voting for multiple and then have someone vote several times
The voting rules have been the same since the start. You cannot vote several times without putting at least some effort into it. Unfortunately I cannot influence how Strawpoll count votes.

>> No.14286736

>>14286703
>Unfortunately I cannot influence how Strawpoll count votes.
Are you unaware that you selected the option to allow someone to vote for every single book at the same time rather than a single book?

>> No.14286751

Does anyone have a link to where to buy a paperback Ice Schooner if that becomes the winner?

>> No.14286755

>>14286736
Of course not. I'm saying that it would have been slightly better if Strawpoll displayed multiple votes by a single person as one voter instead of multiple votes, because then I would not have you here bitching about inflated vote numbers.

>> No.14286762

>>14286751
You'll probably have to buy it used, look it up on Amazon, Abebooks or your local alternative.

>> No.14286792

>>14286688
>gatekeepers
Have sex

>> No.14286799

>>14286301
Fred Saberhagen's Empire of the East

>> No.14286809

>>14286096
What was the ending, just out of curiosity? Never going to read it myself.

>> No.14286826

>>14286809
So our heroes arrive at the castle and the evil king is literally unbeatable. Eragon then use the magic language and wish that what's his face GDominatrix the evil king understand how evil he is. Evil king literally implodes from regret which cause his castle to explode but Eragon cast a spell that protect everyone so it's fine. TEH END

>> No.14286831

>>14286799
T H E
E L E P H A N T

>> No.14286842

>>14286826
Jesus. That is the most childish shit I ever heard.
And people still recommend him to this day, like they do WoT. Nostalgia goggles are dangerous.

>> No.14286906

>>14286826
Thanks, anon

>> No.14286930

>>14286842
>>14286809
He also never gets with the elf bitch. He gets rejected three times, then flies off to no mans land with the dragon eggs to die a huge turbo virgin

>> No.14286954

>>14286842
I don't understand how. I tried reading it back when I was in high school, like 15 years ago, so not long after it got popular, and I thought it was fucking terrible. I don't know how anyone could be nostalgic about it.

>> No.14287249

>>14286930
He probably gonna turn a dragon fucker.

>>14286954
>I don't understand how
Remember that Scott earl got 80k from patreon to publish a shit book. People have shit tastes.

>> No.14287263

>>14286550

Njce mem

>> No.14287267

>>14287249

>He probably gonna turn a dragon fucker.

Based

>> No.14287414

Anybody writing anything currently? Started something months ago but between having a full time job and being a grad student I haven't touched that shit in months.

>> No.14287573

Anyone here could provide me with examples of ways to hide a character's identity/name, specially for multiple chapters that follow his actions.

>> No.14287590

>>14287573
The easiest way of doing this would be to simply not mention his name, or, something a bit more creative, have the characters refer to him by a nickname.

>> No.14287744

>>14287573
"The Tall Man" looked at his target with a sense of apprehension.

>> No.14287830

Anyone got recommendations for character driven sci-fi? I just want to read future setting adventures, not something that's supposed to be carried by it's "ideas" or whatever.

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>>14285850

>> No.14287895

>>14280433
SHIT I FORGOT ABOUT BEAK
Honorable mention for Beak. His presence within the story was small although he (no pun intended) shined brightly.

>> No.14288097

>>14287414

>not sneakily writing at work every last hour of the day

Literally never gonna make it

>> No.14288106

>>14287573

Profession, but why do you want to keep him anon, anon?

>> No.14288113

>>14278585
Reposting from earlier:


God Tier:

Mother of Learning (great time to start reading, it is about to end)
A Practical Guide to Evil
Worth The Candle
Pact

Good tier:

Twisted cogs
Brennus
Unsong
Worm

You should check these out tier (mostly rationalfic, fanfic, and similar garbage that can be entertaining):
(Upper level)
The Games We play
The Gam3
Purple Day
A bluer shade of white
Harry Potter and the Methods of rationality
Twig
The Waves Arisen
------
(Lower tier)
The Good Student
Re: trailer thrash
The Metropolitan Man
Metaworld Chronicles

Stay away tier:

The Wandering Inn
Star Child
Savage Divinity
The Zombie Knight Saga
How to Avoid Death on a Daily Basis
Super Powereds

Best chinkshit has to offer tier:

The Novel's Extra
Release That Witch
Emperor's Domination
40 millenniums of cultivation

>> No.14288258

>>14287830
Vorkosigan

>> No.14288283

>>14278038
Earthsea is fantastic, one of my favourite books as a kid. I recently read The Dispossessed, not very memorable but pretty good too. great if you enjoy politics

>>14278267
i thought it was ok, weaker than the rest of the series but a successful try at keeping it alive and interesting with the MC getting older

>> No.14288504

>>14288258
Already part way into that series, gonna continue it at some point. That's a good example of the kind of thing I'm looking for more of though.

>> No.14288527

>>14288504
Try some Neal Asher or The Expanse.

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>>14277345
Holy shit, what a fucking thing this is. I'm surprised how little it's discussed here considering this is the blueprint for Book of the New Sun

>> No.14288768

>>14288535
did it first rarely means did it better

>> No.14288792

>>14288535
what is it? are you talking about dying earth or something by jorge luis borges?

>> No.14288833

>>14288792
Night land probably

>> No.14289252

>>14288535
Lots of people talk about it when it comes up.

Also while Wolfe has almost certainly read TNL the true lineage is more like Night Land -> Zothique -> Dying Earth -> BotNS.

>> No.14289272

Just started reading Stormlight Archives because my boyfriend read Circe on my recommendation.

What am I in for?

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>>14289272
Congratulations, you have better taste than your boyfriend. My recommendation is that you refuse to read an unfinished series and hope that he have forgotten all about Stormlight in 20 or so years when Brandon actually finish the series.

>> No.14289436

I can never seem to make the time for reading like I do for utterly worthless stuff, such as this post.

>> No.14289485

>>14289319
What's wrong with Sanderson? Only read the first two Mistborn books but those were okay for YA fantasy stuff.

>> No.14289515

>>14289485
He is popular. Also, don't listen to this faggot. Unlike GRRM, Sanderson actually writes and keeps fan posted on long he has left to finish a book. Mistborn are not YA, it's epic fantasy. sure, it's close in feel to YA, but it's not, technically.

>> No.14289524

>>14288113
>pgte god tier

>unsong not god tier

>metro man not god tier

Ok pleb

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>>14289485
He writes pointless formulaic vidya tier stories.

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Can I get some good dieselpunk recs?

>> No.14289567

>>14288113
Man I read the first 10 arcs or so of Brennus and while I enjoyed most of it the fact that the Brennus chapters dont seem to progress at all bothers me a bit. Does this get better ?

>> No.14289584

>>14289530
I literally told my boyfriend it felt like watching a video game when I read first few chapters.

Which isn't bad but felt very oddly familiar

>> No.14289588

>>14289584
if youre a boy post your soles please

>> No.14289607

>>14289530
what book are they talking about?

>> No.14289643

>>14289584
His writing is what a well written anime script would be. He writes a lot, quickly, and outlines his books so they don't fizzle out in the middle and end on a cop out. The trade off is that none of his books are literary masterpieces.

>> No.14289658

>>14289607
According to the second to last line: Mistborn.

>> No.14289664

>>14289658
yep, i just saw it. shoulda read it first

>> No.14289693

Started reading Fire Upon the Deep last week. Really enjoying it so far. Has anyone gone through the whole series? Is it a nice trilogy?

Finished The Wheel of Time two weeks ago, and decided to switch back to SciFi for a bit, but already thinking of the next fantasy series to approach. Anyone read the malazan series? What's your favourite high fantasy right now? A friend at work is pushing Drizzt stuff, not sure if it's legit.

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>>14289584
Have your boyfriend impregnate you, pronto.

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>>14289530
>As such, magic already has an underlying structure

>> No.14289790

>>14289272
A western anime in text form. Consider reading Bakker instead.

>> No.14289796

Started reading Dune and I find the over the top islamic references quite weird coming from a western book. This shit influenced so many other science fiction series but none of them borrowed any of the islamic themes. The fact that they would call an intergalactic movement a "jihad" just puts me off completely.

>> No.14289832

>>14289796
Get over yourself, snowflake.

>> No.14289847

>>14289693
A Deepness in the Sky is very good, Children of the Sky is, charitably, sort of a gaiden story about the Tine planet.

>> No.14289868

>>14281312
Dark tower?

>> No.14289879

>>14289796
It's worth noting that the book was written thirty-six years before everyone in the western world suddenly learned what "jihad" means.

>> No.14289996

>>14289796
I suggest you light yourself on fire in protest.

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>>14289693
Wheel of time is bad, abandon and don't return, or their will be grief.

>> No.14290090

>>14289693
Drizzt is delicious bottom-feeder stuff. Like the Pringles of fantasy literature.

>> No.14290338

>>14290055
garbage list with a few gems between the crap but a garbage list nonetheless

>> No.14290428

>>14286465
oh good, it’s not just me

>> No.14290433

Just got kindle unlimited, rec me some books that are available on it.

>> No.14290449

>>14289693
A Deepness In The Sky is good. The third book is apparently bad so I haven’t read it.

>> No.14290466

>>14290433
Cradle

>> No.14290476

>>14290466
I don't know. Tried it, couldn't get past 100 pages it was so utterly boring and badly written.

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im not gonna make it

>> No.14290558

>>14290513
Just read children's books. Pad out that count with some Dr. Seuss.

>> No.14290569

why do (((people))) praise meme lawrence's prince of shit? is it because most mainstream books are intellectually vapid and thus they exaggerate the dash of creativity that trilogy has to offer, or is there something deeper going on? enigmas like this make it difficult to reject the validity of the NPC/hylic phenomenon.

>> No.14290630

>>14281341
Reading this right now, very faithful to the tone and aesthetic of the original. Worldbuilding is plausible, given the millions of years scale for the siege of mankind.

>> No.14290711

>>14290476
Hmm. If you’re looking for literary quality, I’m not sure I’d use Kindle Unlimited. I think it’s largely self-published stuff, which tends to be more story/worldbuilding focused.

>> No.14290734

Alright, i want to read some porn, someone post the degenerate chart.

>> No.14290784

>>14290711
what's wrong with story being a focus? worldbuilding i can agree with but i wish more books i read would have better plots. this is one area where i unironically think tv/movies puts a lot of books to shame because any old bastard can hypothetically get his shit story published so long as it's written well whereas film typically has so many investors breathing down your neck that a degree of quality control is to be expected (tho plenty of shit stories still make it to the big and little screen). it just doesn't seem to be a prerequisite for a lot of novels.

>> No.14290811

>>14290784
I mean, I personally don’t have an issue with a focus on the story - actually, I prefer it. But a lot of people on /lit/ tend to focus more on the writing quality, which they’re probably going to see less of on Kindle Unlimited.

>> No.14290815

>>14289693
>Malazan
yes
>Drizzt
no

>> No.14290889

>>14286465
the way I understood it was a colossal space station shaped like a cylinder (similar to the ship in Rendezvous With Rama), with larger girth in the centre that thins out at the ends (Gibson describes it as a giant cigar). I think there are various groups of ships that orbit it (like the space Rastas base

>> No.14290962

>>14290889
>I think there are various groups of ships that orbit it
Its been awhile since I've read it but I dont think freeside has nearly enough mass for satellites, the ships would just be in a similar orbit around earth

>> No.14291009

>>14289693
Malazan is pretty good, although it's completely unforgivable that Erikson could not tie up all the loose ends and subplots in the afforded span of 10,000+ pages.

>> No.14291021

>>14290734
Just look at the chart yourself from the OP

>> No.14291137

>>14289847
>>14290449
Nice.
>>14290055
Thanks for the list anon. Already done WoT, no turning back. The ending bugged me. I don't blame Sanderson though.
>>14290090
You sold me on trying at least one.
>>14290815
>>14291009
Sweet. Definitely gonna pick up the malazan mega collection ebook then.

>> No.14291152

>>14290962
That is more what I meant, sorry for the lack of clarity. Orbit not in a gravity sense, just hover around it.

>> No.14291339

>>14288113
You have wildbow's works totally flipped

>> No.14291484

Well, my Jules Verne bros, looks like we're reading Ice instead this month.

>> No.14291486

>>14288113
I'm at the end of Worm and I was wishing so hard that Pact would have the same qualities without the shitty parts (novel length action sequence, wildbow suddenly forgetting how to write, etc.).
Your rankings started off my day with good news, thank you.

>>14289524
>unsong
I hope the re-edit will be better. Unsong was brilliant, but I did feel like I have to watch Scott teach himself how to write.


>not gonna stick around in this thread because I'm too scared of spoilers.

>> No.14291566

>>14291484
>mfw I voted for all of the top 3
I'm fine with any of them, feels good man.

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Thoughts on Soldier of the Mist?
I've just started reading it, it's pretty fun trying to figure out what all of Latro's names for things actually refer to.

>> No.14291661

>>14291566
yes i'll read anything as long as you guys don't combochain US writers

>> No.14291706

What the fuck is a good vampire series?

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>>14282123
There are no writers like him. Read his other novels instead.

>> No.14291735

>>14288768
It's not better but it is great.

>>14289252
Reading Zothique made me realize just how important Lin Carter was and what little recognition he gets. He was the curator of /sffg/ and no one seems to give a fuck.

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Anyone know anything that mostly takes place at night or touches upon the lives of the lowest in society? Doesn't have to be human necessarily, I'm thinking of everything like Garret from the Thief series to Nossies in Vampire. But ideally
>mostly at night time or focused on night time aesthetics
>main character has to avoid contact with most people
>main character could be a freak/outcast
Like basically if you wrote a book about Gollum's perspective. Anything like that?

>> No.14291748

>>14289515
Gurm has had a prolific career as a short story writer, I wish GOT hadn't ruined him.

>> No.14291749

>>14291744
Well, Night Land.

>> No.14291759

>>14291744
Akutagawa, albeit not quite SF, has a lot of these. Poe and Lovecraft have almost only written about outcasts.

>> No.14291761

>>14291749
>Night Land
This one by Hodgson? I haven't read it so I'll give it a try. If anything else comes to mind please let me know. It doesn't even have to be fantasy, like if one of you happens to know some sci-fi or even mainstream thrillers that fit the description that's fine.

>> No.14291767

>>14291759
Yeah, I've already read literally everything by Lovecraft and most stuff by Poe and Akutagawa. If anyone else reads these posts and wants similar stuff, I'd also recommend the Night Lords trilogy from 40k.

>> No.14291772

>>14289524
I bet you are a discord tranny.
Met man was written in a sandbox of rationality and in essence is a model rationalist story which failed to have much originality. It was more an exercise in "What If" rather than actual story-writing.
>>14289567
I am mostly there for the world-building (character designs like the journeyman or godking or The Dark are amazing). The plot does move forward, albeit a bit slowly. The pseudo-hiatus is annoying though.
>>14291339
>Imagine having a taste this shit
Wildbow peaked at the golden morning and has been getting progressively worse ever since.

>> No.14291778

>>14291767
You can't have morally reprehensible characterd than Corncob or PKD. Maybe Stainless Steel Rat but that's rather comedic.

>> No.14291804

>>14291778
I don't care about them being morally reprehensible, I just want them to operate outside of general society. It doesn't have to be about villains or creeps.

>> No.14291859

might kill myself lads

>> No.14291863

>>14291744
ugly cunt

>> No.14291866

>>14290569
>fugg (((joos))) :DDDDDDDDDDD
tiresome

>> No.14291881

>>14291859
>>14291863
>>14291866
all three of these posts were made by an Australian.

>> No.14291886

>>14291859
r u a cute grill
if yes come lvie wiht me

>> No.14291897

>>14286755
That's easily accomplished by using something other than strawpoll.

>> No.14291905

>>14291761
im also reading the night land. we should all talk about it once we're finished

>> No.14291910

>>14291866
hi mark
hope your disabled daughter isn't giving you too much trouble

>> No.14291922

>>14291905
I'll start it today. I'm currently reading 2066 (have been for a while, honestly...) but I doubt I'll be done with it soon so might as well.

>> No.14291925

>>14291922
I meant 2666.

>> No.14291950

>>14291886
You ought to have been the one to post >>14291859

>> No.14291963

>>14291748
One man's ruin is another's apotheosis.

>> No.14291965

>>14291706
Good joke

>> No.14291970

>>14291661
>don't combochain US writers
Don't be such a prejudiced bigot against US writers. It's not their fault they are only ones to write worthwhile SFF.

>> No.14291974

>>14289564
https://www.goodreads.com/shelf/show/dieselpunk

>> No.14291982

>>14291772
>I am only able to think in terms of memes

>> No.14291989

>>14290513
I'm not gonna make it
Is it almost over now?
Can't see the way
Run down
I can't understand how this chain reaction
Has brought me to the edge I'm looking down
One more step would it make me free?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIM3TMjbpR0

>> No.14292016

>>14291629
The two first books are amazing, I even prefer them over BotNS.

>> No.14292022

>>14291859
See You Space Cowboy

>> No.14292032

Current vote results:

Strawpoll (allows for voting for all entries at once)
10-57 voters / 100s? ?%

Ice - 16
The Ice Schooner - 13
An Antarctic Mystery - 11
The Bear and the Nightingale - 7
Pushing Ice - 7
Early Riser - 3

Group (allows for voting for one book once per account)
Pushing Ice - 3
An Antarctic Mystery - 2
Ice - 1
The Bear and the Nightingale - 1
Early Riser - 0
The Ice Schooner - 0

7/33 21%

Unclear what to make of the difference. The strawpoll is of course the binding one. If you haven't voted in the group poll, feel free to do so. I'll close it in a day or two.

>> No.14292035

>>14292032
The 10 actually should be "entries/ballots submitted" rather than "voters".

>> No.14292132

>>14292032
thank you for your service btw
what do you do irl

>> No.14292176

NEW THREAD
>>14292172
NEW THREAD

>> No.14292502
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14292502

>>14289515
>Mistborn are not YA
>it's epic fantasy
>sure

>> No.14292545

Anyone looking for cultivation novels, try the dao of magic. It's a great western take on the bugman mentality.

>> No.14292553
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14292553

I am absolutely in love with Joe Ambercrombie's First Law series. What books are similar to this series?

>> No.14292557

>>14292553
I can't tell if this is shitposting or not anymore.

>> No.14292611

>>14292557
Why would it be shitposting?