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Literature that combats loneliness/yearning to be with a girl?

>> No.14277679

>>14277316
>While I was walking with `Abdullah he said, "We were in the company of the Prophet (ﷺ) and he said, 'He who can afford to marry should marry, because it will help him refrain from looking at other women, and save his private parts from committing illegal sexual relation; and he who cannot afford to marry is advised to fast, as fasting will diminish his sexual power."

>> No.14277731

The cool satisfaction of words cannot replace the hot darkness of action. Go get in shape, dress nicely, get a nice haircut, get some professional-quality photographs for a dating app profile, buy the premium version of said app, and keep swiping. Eventually you'll get a few bites. From there try to charm them (lie). You'll end up with some dates, and physical contact. You'll then learn that it really isn't that great, and this loneliness in your head will quiet itself.

>> No.14277732

Ecclesiastes
>I turned my mind to know and to search out and to seek wisdom and the sum of things, and to know the wickedness of folly and the foolishness which is madness.
>And I found more bitter than death the woman whose heart is snares and nets, and whose hands are fetters; he who pleases God escapes her, but the sinner is taken by her.
>Behold, this is what I found, says the Preacher, adding one thing to another to find the sum,
>which my mind has sought repeatedly, but I have not found. One man among a thousand I found, but a woman among all these I have not found.
(7:25-28)

>> No.14277773

>>14277316
Spend literally any amount of time with one and you will be cured.

>> No.14278114

>>14277679
gtfo moral fag

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14278152

>>14277316
Look into Epicureanism too.

>>14277679
>>14277732
Degeneracy.

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>>14277316
>>14277731

>> No.14278285

>>14277731
You’re acting like a fashion model instead of a man. The rest points to your personality. It’s peacocking. But once they talk to you they’ll realize you’re shit and it’s just a facade. You gain personality by being around other people making and making moral and social decisions. Gain an interest in comedy. The majority of interpersonal interaction is comedic not tragic in nature.

>> No.14278507

>>14278152
whatever, fuck off fake butterfly
the ! in your tripcode gives you away

>> No.14278536
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>>14277316
The Sorrows of Young Werther

>> No.14278555

>>14278536
this

>> No.14278591

>>14278536
>Felt that Werther was the prototypical beta orbiter while reading the book
>Still cried so hard reading the ending that I had to put it down multiple times in that reading session before it was done.

>> No.14278593

>>14277316
The Holy Bible

>> No.14278594

Exposing yourself to women and intimacy will make you realize that your idea of a relationship or physical intimacy is not congruent with reality. After your first experience kissing, holding hands, dating, cuddling, having sex etc, you will desire it less and less and will be able to view it for what it is instead of obsessing over it because it's something you haven't experienced.

>> No.14278601

I don't know why, but I was really and truly relieved when I reread OP and saw that it was
>yearning to be WITH a girl
and not
>yearning to be a girl

>> No.14278613

>>14278591
>prototypical beta orbiter
He was definitely no such thing. Wasn't it mentioned at the start of the book that he unknowingly and unintentionally had made a girl fall in love with him and was feeling bad for it?

>> No.14278658

>>14278594
and until then...?

>> No.14278665

>>14278594
I was isolated for years and thought this eventually after 2 years but then a patient and attractive girl spoke to me at work for a few weeks and I started to crave it again, told her how I felt and didn't even care about the gentle ish rejection, just looking into her eyes, seeing her smile and hearing her speak directly to me was enough, it felt incredible, I felt nothing for her until she started to speak to me then it was out of my control
Isn't it supposed to be the other way around? I couldn't eat much, had a near constant pounding heartrate and I couldn't sleep for 3 days

>> No.14278671

>>14278613
It's been some time since I read it so it's possible, but even if that's true, his actions towards Charlotte - especially towards the end - and his feelings towards her husband, are very classically beta orbiter-esque. Not that this is even inherently a negative thing, it just is what it is.

>> No.14278715

>>14278671
I'm currently in the middle of the book so I can't comment on the ending but I would say that beta orbiters do what they do because they think they can get pussy that way, but Werther seems to be internally compelled to be attracted to Lotte, and not just because he's otherwise sex-starved. I see Werther compared to those people so often and it annoys me so much! It's a huge misreading of the book.

>> No.14278747

>>14278715
>but I would say that beta orbiters do what they do because they think they can get pussy that way, but Werther seems to be internally compelled to be attracted to Lotte, and not just because he's otherwise sex-starved. I see Werther compared to those people so often and it annoys me so much! It's a huge misreading of the book.

Beta orbiters don't just do it for sex, though. Sex is certainly part of it, as it would be for anyone who wants to be a relationship, but ultimately the goal is to somehow win over the girl by always being there for her and so on. The goal is transitioning a close friendship into a romantic and sexual relationship by making oneself available and open. Consciously or not, the orbiter hopes to out-do rival men by already being in the girl's good graces and supposedly indefensible.

As a former beta orbiter, I know this pretty well.

What I hated about Werther as a character were the things I saw of myself in him. Even the way he's so close with Lotte's family and again, the ways he reacts with/towards her husband are beta orbiter to a T.

>> No.14278780

>>14278747
>but ultimately the goal is to somehow win over the girl by always being there for her and so on.
This is what I was saying. Consciously or not, this is a strategy on their part (and a misguided one) to enter in a relationship. What I say is that Werther acts that way since he doesn't know what to do. On one hand the woman is already engaged so he can't advance, but on the other, he finds himself obsessed, so he can't just leave. Maybe the outward behavior is similar, but I say it's a question of motives. If Werther were to "orbit" any woman he found attractive, as a way of courting her, then yes, he would have been a beta orbiter, but in his unfortunate circumstance, it doesn't seem to be the case.

>> No.14278830

>>14278780
>What I say is that Werther acts that way since he doesn't know what to do. On one hand the woman is already engaged so he can't advance, but on the other, he finds himself obsessed, so he can't just leave. Maybe the outward behavior is similar, but I say it's a question of motives.

Were Lotte's fiance/husband to die, do you not think that Werther would've been the first to jump in? If he could've - if the time period and culture allowed - do you not think that he would have tried to convince her to leave her husband? He never really gives up the desire to be with her - only flounders between hope and despair about the situation. But that hope is the important part. Up until the very end, the reading I got at least, I don't think that Werther ever really believes that they'll never be together. He has hope - misguided though it may be - until the end.

>> No.14278867

>>14278830
Again I've not read the end so maybe it's not appropriate of me to discuss this but I believe if Lotte were not engaged or if her fiance had died then Werther would have acted differently. The orbiter orbits because he thinks it's a good strategy but Werther was forced to orbit because he couldn't have advanced and he couldn't have left. The desire is there because you can't rationally kill it off, but it doesn't seem that Werther thinks orbiting Lotte wins her for him, he just has to it as a fly that goes around a lamp.

>> No.14279423

>>14278507
Hello fake.

>> No.14279684

>>14278601
agp

>> No.14279695

>>14277316
read some 200uq of LSD m8

>> No.14279721

>>14279695
unironically this

>> No.14281237

>>14278601
Wow, I actually went back after reading your post because I didn't believe it. I guess I deal with way too many trans people in my life.

>> No.14281245

>>14279684
show me a woman who isn't agp and i will show you a volume of thin air

>> No.14281454

>>14277316
Nagarjuna's Letter to a Friend