When did you realize that classical music is the highest art form?

[Anonymous No.14268923]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVcRUmrLU5g

[Anonymous No.14268929]

>>14268923
i didn't because it isn't

[URANTIA No.14268939]

>>14268923
>It is literally true, "melody has power a whole world to transform." Forever, music will remain the universal language of men, angels, and spirits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89jOPAGJq-M

[Anonymous No.14268940]

>>14268923
I love Bach, but fuck Glen "GOTTA GO FAST" Gould.

[Anonymous No.14268951]

Romantic Music>Modern music~Traditional music>>>>>Classic music

[Anonymous No.14268953]

>>14268923
After I discovered The Beatles and before I discovered Jazz, which is superior to classical in every category.

[Anonymous No.14268960]

>>14268940
Here's something slower for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB9oJ6w82ig

[Anonymous No.14268964]

I've always maintained music as a whole is the highest form or more like the original form. Music came before language,

[Anonymous No.14268974]

>>14268940
put some respect on gould's name son https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv94m_S3QDo

[Anonymous No.14269147]

>>14268940
This

[Anonymous No.14269550]

>>14268940
no

[Anonymous No.14269819]

Classical snobs are the worst

[Anonymous No.14269859]

>>14269819
That title actually belongs to contemporary peasants.

[Anonymous No.14269863]

Bach was the beginning and the end of music. He is literally God tier. I could go my entire life only listening to Bach and be perfectly satisfied.

[Anonymous No.14269924]

>>14268940
Imagine being a slowtard.

Classically mixed jungle is peak sonic aesthetics.

[Anonymous No.14269928]

>>14269863
I despise Bachliebers.

[Anonymous No.14269996]

>>14269863
favorite pieces?

[Anonymous No.14270046]

>>14268940
>Glen "GOTTA GO FAST" Gould
You obviously have no clue about what Gould's playing is like compared to others.

[Anonymous No.14270053]

>>14268923
Take the divinepill.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDTgj_69JKA

[Anonymous No.14270069]

>>14268923
Right now. GLAARGHARGHRHAA

[Anonymous No.14270086]

>>14269819
No, the classical snob is the only one which is consistent. The worst sort of snob would be someone of the lower classes.

[Anonymous No.14270096]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAy_ucyVDbs

[Anonymous No.14270123]

When I realized that classical music was the cultural expression of the concept of a divine infinite

[Anonymous No.14270132]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXnRl6VHzjI

[Anonymous No.14270138]

>>14268923
nah bruh it's objectively a toss up between theater and child's play

[Anonymous No.14270139]

Don’t mind me, just posting the best song ever written.

https://youtu.be/QxEcNM57CaU

[Anonymous No.14270150]

>>14268923
only after 1920 did any kind of classical music get good
and jazz overtook it

[Anonymous No.14270161]

>>14270150
Enlighten me as to what jazz song could possibly be better than any of the contrapuncti from The art of fugue, the E minor partita and the french overture (and that barely scratches a small fraction of Bach's finest).

[Anonymous No.14270178]

>>14268951
this, keep playing triads, classical bitch

[Anonymous No.14270184]

>/lit/
Are you lost?

[Anonymous No.14270235]

>>14269996
not the same guy.
Probably bwv 572 and bwv 582.

[Anonymous No.14270249]

>>14268923
>Christcuck of aesthetics
OP is the eternal faggot

[Anonymous No.14270286]

>>14270249
t. noisebrain

[Anonymous No.14270302]

>>14268923
Genuinely curious - why do you think so? What makes it better than any other music genre or another form of art?

[Anonymous No.14270303]

>>14270086
That's extremely unlikely, anon. Why the resentment?

[Anonymous No.14270307]

gould was a clueless sperg, besides bach shouldnt be played by atheists

bach partitas (kirkpatrick)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiPBtRjWiBc

handel suites (richter/gavrilov)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWdlBKyMp1U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNJPDUHKTlc

mozart duets (eschenbach/frantz)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9aflTidMNE

schubert duets (eschenbach/frantz)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weqjMmZi9b8

[Anonymous No.14270319]

>>14270123
yikes

[Anonymous No.14270321]

>>14268940
based, gould is an emotionless autist with no artistic ability

[Anonymous No.14270323]

>>14270307
>bach shouldnt be played by atheists
Nothing should

[Anonymous No.14270329]

>>14268923
around two years ago
https://youtube.com/watch?v=aSmiKgETaQQ
one of the best things I've ever heard in my life

[Anonymous No.14270337]

>>14270302
Classical music is not a genre. "Chamber music" e.g. is a genre. "Classical" means that it belongs to the higher classes of society, and it is thereby almost by definition superior.

[Anonymous No.14270338]

>>14270307
>gould was a clueless sperg, besides bach shouldnt be played by atheists
gould literally said, on record, that he believes in god.

[Anonymous No.14270339]

>not grindcore
https://youtu.be/VCWcOTajUGk

[Anonymous No.14270384]

>>14270338
compare gould's 2nd partita with kirkpatrick's.
gould played it so soulles, lars von trier superimposed his playing with the serial killer in "house that jack built".

[Anonymous No.14270394]

>>14269859
Peasants have the best music though. Fuck your machined brain muzak.
https://youtu.be/n40Sg9L_Bf0

[Anonymous No.14270422]

>>14270394
Best? Absolutely dull, something you'd use as an ambient part of a movie score.

[Anonymous No.14270525]

>>14270422
>as an ambient part
oh yeah classical music never gets used that way, I forgot.

[Anonymous No.14270548]

>>14270337
But what exactly is it that makes classical music superior to any kind of modern, “non-classical” music?

[Anonymous No.14270589]

>>14270384
>compare gould's 2nd partita with kirkpatrick's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mvzl5oQCBc
he clearly misses the idea of the piece in my opinion. by the time he gets done with the sinfonia, the whole structure collapses because he's so eager to hold onto that initial moment, in a romantic manner.
Gould's version has incomparably more clarity and depth. Just because you can play slow and loud that doesn't mean it's more meaningful. I can take from Gould what's fair to take, namely quite a few preludes and fugues from the first book of the Well-Tempered Clavier, where his constant staccatos and either very slow or very fast tempos don't quite match up with my taste, which is why I mostly prefer S. Richter for the said work. But when it comes to other works like the keyboard Partitas, the French overture, the English and French suites and most importantly, The Art of fugue, Gould is largely unmatched.

[Anonymous No.14270600]

>>14270525
Of course it doesn't, as classical music demands attention. While what you posted, like modern movie scores, is ideally not even meant to be noticed.

[Anonymous No.14270709]

>>14270548
It has nothing to do with the period intrinsically. You could play Bach on a synthesiser and for all I care it would virtually be the same deal, I just prefer the 'voice' of the organ or the piano for the most part. After you get past the Moonlight sonata and Fur Elise introduction and start building your own taste in classical music, you'll realize that, incidentally or not, all non-classical music is either straight garbage or simply boring tunes that you listen a few times per year at most.

[Anonymous No.14270720]

>no Vivaldi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkJC8p48g6g

[Anonymous No.14270752]

>>14270589
he's not just holding on to sublime intro, but conveying the biblical content of the middle section, where a seeker is depicted as walking with difficult bass steps, hesitating, posing questions in soprano. the bass steps seem to become heavier, he's close to giving up. the final fugue is like a revelation, showing regained faith with slight echos of his previous phase. gould was not thinking about any kind of content but about tones, only technically interested in the music, the sections dont seem related, as a whole his interpretation makes no impression on me.

[Anonymous No.14270821]

>>14270752
>but conveying the biblical content of the middle section, where a seeker is depicted as walking with difficult bass steps, hesitating, posing questions in soprano
where do you come up with such descriptions? I've listened to that piece thousands of time (not even mostly Gould) and never have I had such theatrical images of it. Not only then, but especially when a work is clearly non-referential (as opposed to cantatas and other sacred works), I take sound purely in an abstract form. I couldn't think of any better way of making Bach keyboard works boring than attaching such theatrical moments to them.

[Anonymous No.14270824]

>>14270323
This desu

>In music, Catholic monks developed the first forms of modern Western musical notation in order to standardize liturgy throughout the worldwide Church,[94] and an enormous body of religious music has been composed for it through the ages. This led directly to the emergence and development of European classical music, and its many derivatives.

[Anonymous No.14270825]

>>14270709
Interesting, this is something I absolutely can’t imagine. What are some composers that made you realize this? Also, have you actually listened to a wide range of different musicians before?

[Anonymous No.14270983]

>>14270825
>Interesting, this is something I absolutely can’t imagine
can't imagine what, specifically?
I first became interested in music during my teenage years, and my first 'taste' was that along the lines of Pink Floyd, Deep Purple, King Crimson, Led Zeppelin plus a few metal bands and I used to really like those. From time to time I would listen to classical pieces that you are likely to find in any 'Best of' compilation (Moonlight sonata, Chopin preludes, The Nutcracker, Cello suite no. 1). Over a few years, as I started to listen more and more to classical music, rock/metal fell off my radar gradually. What kept me from going full into classical straight from the start was not finding the right interpretation right away while also not having enough patience to listen or search for pieces. When I came across the likes of Andreas Scholl/Herreweghe (specifically for the Agnus dei / Kyrie eleison I from the Mass in B minor and the Erbarme dich aria from the Matthew Passion) and Sviatoslav Richter, all previous music clicked into place. The nature of Bach, especially for keyboard works in my opinion, makes it so that interpretations vary highly. Before Richter I used to listen to Schiff's versions of the Well-Tempered Clavier preludes and fugues from time to time, and the very same preludes and fugues that are my favorite if played by Richter, sound tedious/boring in the latter's renditions. It's the same with other works. Unfortunately, Richter never recorded the Art of fugue, which is currently my main interest as a listener right now, I would've really liked to see his vision, although even as much as I like his Well-Tempered Clavier, I don't think he would've surpassed Gould's playing (Gould himself only has an incomplete recording of the Art of Fugue).
If I had to recommend some of Bach's works to a newcomer, it would be some like these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L_EDTZ9gik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdLCcQixNvg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZN6CVBBLq4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXnRl6VHzjI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wCNsU0jA6c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN58bKr9_m4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDY_4n9PHLQ

[Anonymous No.14271048]

>>14270821
>when a work is clearly non-referential (as opposed to cantatas and other sacred works)
Bach didn't say "today i'm gonna compose secular absolute music". when the pieces have no programmatic titiles, they still contain images, and it's still a riddle for the listener to guess. baroque treatises are full of conventions about "best practice" regarding prosody or rhythm to convey certain images.

>where do you come up with such descriptions?
baroque treatises, early 20th century musicologists like Schweitzer, Pirro have shown recurring meaning of those elements in explicitely religious works. the contemporary cantata presentations by Rudolf Lutz are in same vein.

>I take sound purely in an abstract form
doubt.jpg
we now know more about bioacoustics than 100 years ago when absolute music still seemed like a plausible idea. sound is too closely related to community functions (ritual), communication (prosody), anatomy (rhythm) and survival (different sensibility for certain frequencies), to be this independent abstract medium. obviously 19/20th century theorists dreamed of their own little copernican revolution and gould was a child of this era.but it's not lindy.

[Anonymous No.14271075]

>>14270422
Autism

[Anonymous No.14271080]

>>14270600
Autism

[Anonymous No.14271104]

>>14270983
Nobody cares Jeb

[Anonymous No.14271112]

>>14271048
>sound is too closely related to community functions (ritual), communication (prosody), anatomy (rhythm) and survival (different sensibility for certain frequencies)
that's not what I was arguing against, or necessarily what I didn't mean by 'abstract' form. I obviously recognize when certain passages have general feelings of sadness, longing, prayer or joy, but these never interested me in the slightest. I don't regard Bach's music as riddles containing images that you're supposed to 'decipher' for some vague reason.
If I wanted to 'see' such images, I'd just read poetry or literature in general, because otherwise I wouldn't find much meaning in listening to a piece 1000 times, rather than 10 times.
I find the subjects of the treatises you mention completely uninteresting, it wouldn't add a single point of enjoyment to listening to music if I knew what a certain motif from the piece is 'supposed to mean'. And to be frank I don't even believe this theory, mainly because the 'human feelings' or archetypal images/riddles that you mentioned are visibly limited culturally speaking, whereas I found pieces like Contrapunctus I and the unfinished fugue from The Art of fugue, to be infinitely beautiful, emotionally inexplicable and completely self-sufficient.

[Anonymous No.14271130]

>>14268974
oh,
my god

[Anonymous No.14271142]

>>14271075
>>14271080
>>14271104
>>14271130
All of these posts were made by the same retard, with the attention span of an 8 year old child.

[Anonymous No.14271160]

How is Gould a souless autist? the passion is obvious here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-my1JH9uMk

[Anonymous No.14271161]

>>14271142
>t. only child with no real culture

[Anonymous No.14271162]

>>14271142
the other 3 probably were, my post wasn't
:(

[Anonymous No.14271177]

>>14271161
A two word reply, for a two brain person. Or should I say, two brain cells? Haha, well actually that would be twice the number of brain cells that you actually own. One times two equals two, not that you would have even have known that if I wouldn't have typed that at you. Here's another facton for your pea ass, a million times zero is still zero, so I could multiply the number of brain cells that you actually have by a MILLION and instead of being a genius, you would still be an incel idiot with zero brain cells and even less brain cells than anybody

[Anonymous No.14271180]

>>14270983
What I meant is that it’s hard to imagine that most music pales in comparison to classical music if you listen to it enough. I guess it depends on what you expect to gain from listening to different artists.

Thanks for your explanation, though. I’ve always wanted to get into classical music, maybe now is the right time for it.

[Anonymous No.14271181]

>>14270983

[Anonymous No.14271190]

>>14271177
Cringed but saved.
Every Bach thread will now have your autism repeated like a fugue.

[Anonymous No.14271198]

How can pianofags compete?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crpUIUzExAw

[Anonymous No.14271206]

>>14271162
>>14271142
I was one as well. Bachfag just has autism.

[Anonymous No.14271215]

>>14271198
beautiful

>>14271160
beautiful

[Anonymous No.14271216]

>>14271181
fast to criticize someone's taste but embarrassed to post your own favorites?

[Anonymous No.14271227]

>>14271216
Bachliebers are delusional and taste wars are cringe.

[Anonymous No.14271244]

>>14271227
you can disprove the so called taste war by posting a song that you believe is worth listening to

[Anonymous No.14271264]

>>14271244
ok boomer

[Anonymous No.14271277]

https://youtu.be/BBeXF_lnj_M

https://youtu.be/kkJC8p48g6g

[Anonymous No.14271315]

>>14271277
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YszmEsvI6h8

[Anonymous No.14271562]

bp

[Anonymous No.14271643]

>>14268923
only in the last year
based gould...

[Anonymous No.14271677]

>>14271315
masterpiece

[Anonymous No.14271688]

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