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[Anonymous No.14266278]

Books on communism that refute this claim?: "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff"

[Anonymous No.14266312]

Read Economics For Dummies first

[Anonymous No.14266402]

If there's no objective basis for values why is my singular need trumped by the needs of the many?
Why is our wants wrong but yours justified?
What makes X want lesser or greater than want Y?

[Anonymous No.14266406]

read theory incel

[Anonymous No.14266408]

>>14266278
Have sex commiecel

[Anonymous No.14266409]

The existence of China.

[Anonymous No.14266416]

>>14266409
i thought china isn't real communism?

[willowo !!WLiEhST7Trn No.14266423]

>>14266278
Communism is the only system that values ownership of property.
Not only do you own your own personal property, but you own your own labour. The lie of private property was created to perpetuate your own exploitation.

[Anonymous No.14266425]

>>14266278
People only want shit because of insecurity created by Capitalism. There are plenty of people who live spartan existences willingly, think of ascetics or monks from various religions. Warren Buffett could easily retire, but he continues to trade because his life lacks meaning. Break the people's addiction to capital and you have defeated Capitalism.

[Anonymous No.14266426]

>>14266416
they aren't socialist yet but they are getting there. it's a process.

[Anonymous No.14266429]

>>14266425
The worst things about capitalism wouldn't exist if people thought more like this. Communism is just retardation though.

[Anonymous No.14266433]

>>14266409
Modern day China is unironically a better example of fascism working than communism. Also Chinks are extremely possessive and materialistic.

[Anonymous No.14266437]

>>14266433
that's just liberal propaganda

[Anonymous No.14266446]

>>14266423
>you own your own labour
No. I'd rather own my own freedom

[Anonymous No.14266448]

>>14266425
Don't die on the hill of "you don't need to own anything"

>>14266423
This guy is basically right, communism is not going to take away your personal property, it only intends to socialize ownership of private property, and unless you're delusional enough to imagine yourself one day owning an entire factory and all the machinery in it, this will not affect your property directly

[Anonymous No.14266453]

>>14266446
>freedom
which means what in the concrete? that's an abstract term.

[Anonymous No.14266456]

>>14266446
The goal of socialism is a qualitative change in freedom on both an individual and social level. If you're arguing for freedom, you're ultimately going to have to end up at socialism

[Anonymous No.14266460]

>>14266448
>Don't die on the hill of "you don't need to own anything"

Humans need very little material wealth to enjoy life. I nice comfy living space (small one too), clean water and healthy food, access to nature and open spaces, maybe a horse or some kind of bicycle. But most important is friends and family you can rely on. Everything else is cope and you probably know it.

[Anonymous No.14266479]

>>14266460
Sure, you can call owning a television or computer "coping" but you know that the truth is 99% of people would never voluntarily give these things up. I wouldn't, and communism surely wouldn't ask you to. The luddite position is profoundly anti-Marxist

[Anonymous No.14266499]

>>14266278
Its either a brainlet take "communism means no private property! you aint getting my toothbrush" or a midwit "human nature dictates that we are consumerist by nature and don't just stop once we have what we need"

[Anonymous No.14266687]

>>14266499
>toothbrush
I've seen communists use toothbrush as an example a few times before. Is that a meme, inside joke or just a coincidence?

[Anonymous No.14266707]

>>14266425
Pretty much sums it up
>>14266429
Yes

[Anonymous No.14266914]

>>14266409
Based National Socialist China

[Anonymous No.14267021]

>>14266914
Tankies fell silent... I think you short-circuited their brains.

[Anonymous No.14267037]

chapo trannies go back

[Anonymous No.14267074]

>>14266425
>People only want shit because of insecurity created by Capitalism

[Anonymous No.14267076]

>>14266278
>people like to own stuff
That sounds like an argument for communism

[Anonymous No.14267100]

>>14266278
anything marx wrote

[Anonymous No.14267105]

>>14266687
it's an inside joke cause it's so frequently the go-to for anticommunists to say 'i don't want to share my toothbrush!'
of course, the joke is that communists differentiate between private and personal property. pro-capitalists do not, and call it all private property

[Anonymous No.14267183]

God I hate communism so much. Western society in the 21st century is the best-working and most peaceful civilization the world has ever seen and some take it for granted.

[Anonymous No.14267193]

>>14266278
Capital, volumes I-III

[Anonymous No.14267198]

>>14266406
half of this isnt theory based undergradtard spam poster

[Anonymous No.14267201]

>>14266426
Tell me one aspect of China moving towards socialism.
It's an oligarchy like the rest of the world.

[Anonymous No.14267249]

>>14266425
it isn't a matter of addiction it's a matter of fetishism and I would recommend uou to read Marx
>life under communism is ascetic
read Marx

[Anonymous No.14267258]

>>14267249
Dilate.

[Anonymous No.14267307]

>>14267258
?

[Anonymous No.14267327]

>>14266914
Book source please

[Anonymous No.14267538]

>>14267105
and who exactly gets to decide what is private and what is personal?

[Anonymous No.14267552]

>>14267538
read Marx. or read his wiki page. jesus fucking christ just read a book

[Anonymous No.14267783]

>>14267552

[Anonymous No.14267795]

>>14267783
Read theory incel

[Anonymous No.14267816]

>>14266278
Logically Communism doesn't work at all.

[Anonymous No.14267819]

>>14267795
Why tranny

[Anonymous No.14267976]

>>14266409
I wonder why they go through so much effort paying lipservice to a theory nobody believes in and nobody believes they believe in.
Nobody in China thinks China is Communist.

[Anonymous No.14268038]

>>14267976
they understand it isn't "communism" as in the end state to history, but it is most certainly "communist" and China has plenty of Marxist scholars labouring that point.

[Anonymous No.14268060]

>>14268038
Normal people don't though, and I seriously doubt politicians do either. I'm sure they've got Marxist scholars hanging around, but that's just part of the lipservice.

[Anonymous No.14268061]

>>14266278
Lots of Marxists discuss ideology and the formation of desire. Hell, Marx even does. A change in ideology would be required.

[Anonymous No.14268072]

>>14267201
Exactly. Modern China may have started out as a communist state, but it transitioned into state capitalism awhile ago.

[Anonymous No.14268079]

>>14268060
Whatever Marxist scholars they have are probably just Gramscian intellectuals that uphold state hegemony. China is a communist state only because they say so.

[Anonymous No.14268094]

>>14268072
Which is part of a transitioning point. Marxism is not the antithesis of capitalism.

[Anonymous No.14268119]

>>14268060
>Normal people don't though, and I seriously doubt politicians do either
any stats on this because I highly doubt it. people said the same thing about the USSR and when the iron curtain came down and we poured over the records it was obvious that the communists in Russia really were communists

[Anonymous No.14268123]

>>14268094
this, Chinese communists suggest the historical stage of capitalism hasn't worked itself to its contradictions yet and therefore capitalism is the best way to push diamat forward

[Anonymous No.14268135]

>>14268094
>>14268123
So China isn't communist in order to pursue a future communism. Huh. Okay.

[Anonymous No.14268145]

>>14268135
>Marxism is not the antithesis of capitalism
Seriously just read a book. They don't even call China socialist. That is what "Socialism by 2050" is which requires a lot of class analysis to understand.

[Anonymous No.14268147]

>>14268135
this is why Marx advocated for free trade