/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.14254496]

Was Hegel a Neoplatonist? Or an alchemical sorcerer who engineered history into an energy farm for the Archons? You decide!

[Anonymous No.14254517]

>>14254496
Hegel was a satanist but not in the LaVeyan sense, an actual worshipper of the devil.

[Anonymous No.14254536]

>>14254496
Maybe he's just a person who tried to understand and interpret the world around him? Maybe that's all philosophers really are, not sorcerers or gods?

[Anonymous No.14254543]

this "hegel is a demon" take is really weird. all of you jay dyer and alex jones rejects need to go back to the drawing board

[Anonymous No.14254565]

>>14254536
>>14254543

t. slaves of the hebdomad

[Anonymous No.14254857]

>>14254517
Can someone please explain the "Hegel is a satanist" meme for me?

[Anonymous No.14254883]

>>14254857
Only a satanist could put people through the hell of reading the phenomenology of spirit.

[Anonymous No.14254940]

>>14254536
>>14254543
>t. interrupts the campfire story to say "ghosts aren't real" with a smirk and a raised eyebrow

[Anonymous No.14254944]

>>14254940
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST RUIN SPOOKY HOURS BY THE CAMPFIRE FOR ME

[Anonymous No.14254971]

Books about pic related?

[Anonymous No.14255690]

>>14254971
mein tagebuch

[Anonymous No.14255753]

>>14254496
>Or an alchemical sorcerer who engineered history into an energy farm for the Archons?
Haha what is this meme?

[Anonymous No.14255762]

>>14255753
>he doesn't know

[Anonymous No.14255774]

>>14255753
Hegel was a sorcerer and the Left and Right being lobotomized bastard children of Liberalism and Conservativsm don’t get this. He advocated for a supreme divine state much like the Reich or the USSR’s plans for Europe and so you can take his insights and use them to justify extreme statism or some kind of techno-socialist autarchy. Right Hegelians focus on his dealings with Spirit, Leftists focus mostly on the Dialectic itself and try to secularize that as some type of silent-pneumatic machinery that drives history towards class conflict and communist statism. They’re both insane and Hegel’s phenomenology is a form of memetic psychoactive agent that binds the minds of everyone who reads it. Its venom, pure necrotizing linguistic magic. He was a genius for this reason. Also if you’re not an autistic retard he basically shows you how the techno-alchemical engineers of civilization are transforming humanity into a sacrificial killing field for otherworldly forces but that’s not interesting to rightists or leftists because they’re castrati golem creatures who only exist to poke holes in the barrier between man’s conscious rational awareness and his subconscious cthonic realm. If you wait long enough Hegel’s name will come up in most discussions by these groups. He’s the root of all their lunacy.

[Anonymous No.14255775]

Hegel was a sorcerer and the Left and Right being lobotomized bastard children of Liberalism and Conservativsm don’t get this. He advocated for a supreme divine state much like the Reich or the USSR’s plans for Europe and so you can take his insights and use them to justify extreme statism or some kind of techno-socialist autarchy. Right Hegelians focus on his dealings with Spirit, Leftists focus mostly on the Dialectic itself and try to secularize that as some type of silent-pneumatic machinery that drives history towards class conflict and communist statism. They’re both insane and Hegel’s phenomenology is a form of memetic psychoactive agent that binds the minds of everyone who reads it. Its venom, pure necrotizing linguistic magic. He was a genius for this reason. Also if you’re not an autistic retard he basically shows you how the techno-alchemical engineers of civilization are transforming humanity into a sacrificial killing field for otherworldly forces but that’s not interesting to rightists or leftists because they’re castrati golem creatures who only exist to poke holes in the barrier between man’s conscious rational awareness and his subconscious cthonic realm. If you wait long enough Hegel’s name will come up in most discussions by these groups. He’s the root of all their lunacy.

[Anonymous No.14255782]

Schopenhauer is the solution

[Anonymous No.14255810]

>>14254565
but what if the Intellect is a divine element within us not for understanding systematically, mentally, the reality and its structure but the existence, prominence of the source itself (God)? The Intellect being the tool, the ray of light that comes from the Sun and is used to return to it.

[Anonymous No.14255824]

>>14254940
lmao

[Anonymous No.14255880]

> how the techno-alchemical engineers of civilization are transforming humanity into a sacrificial killing field for otherworldly forces

This is a test, it only looks that way because the only way the otherworldly forces can trust us enough to let us play with them is if they're sure we're willing to die for them, and are not entertaining any notions of subjugating them.

Or think of it like this, you already believe in otherworldly forces. I guarantee that if these forces are malevolent, there is nothing mankind can do to stop them. Therefore, the only choice is to trust that they have a benevolent plan beyond human comprehension, no matter how bumpy the ride gets.

[Anonymous No.14255924]

>>14255880
Please expand on these thoughts.

[Anonymous No.14256062]

>>14255924
Consider the Dark Forest solution to the Fermi paradox. Basically, the universe is a very dangerous place and any sentient species will quickly realize it is unbearably risky to draw attention to themselves. One of the reasons this is so risky, is that even in the event you encounter another species and it doesn't immediately lead to war or annihilation, you can never fully trust the other party, due to the massive biocultural differences. Maybe they will trade with you for thousands of years while quietly figuring out how to dominate you or destroy you. You can never be sure. This is known as the infinite chain of suspicion.

Now imagine that in this dark universe, you're a race that has reached a state of spiritual development such that every member of it is essentially equivalent to Jesus Christ. How do you handle contact with other species then? Because driven by boundless benevolence, you will be doing contacting. But utmost care must be taken, because the, (shocking to humans) reality is, that if they encounter a hostile race, there will be no war, because they will let themselves be killed into extinction, because that's how grand their soul is. You're species like that and you encounter humans. How do you proceed?

Well, first off, you can't show yourself overtly. Infinite chain of suspicion means you could never be sure humans won't eventually take whatever you teach them and turn it on you. So you have to stay hidden, leave humans to their muddled affairs, while providing whatever spiritual insight you can. It's like growing a plant.

Now it makes sense for the plant to be scared. Maybe they're just fattening us up in some incomprehensible way, leading to the sacrificial killing fields mentioned (infinite chain of suspicion!).

But one thing I am certain of is that there are otherworldly influences on this planet, not necessarily ETs. Do we trust them? It's easy to produce a story where they are malevolent. But here's the simple version, if malevolent entities found us, is there anything humanity could do to stop them? To me, it's obvious the answer is no. So the only choice is to buckle up for the ride, and hope we're being taken someplace good.

[Anonymous No.14256081]

>>14256062
>But one thing I am certain of is that there are otherworldly influences on this planet

What makes you so sure? I do hope you're right. Though it's far more likely both kinds of forces are here on this planet.

[Anonymous No.14256120]

>>14256062
Malevolent entities tend to be more callous and indifferent than anything, or act in a way beyond comprehension. Or can't act directly and are more real in a Jungian sense, being extralocal.

[Anonymous No.14256610]

>>14254944
You're not ruining anything, you're just being a faggot

[Anonymous No.14256631]

>>14254496
hegel has a lot of metaphysical basis in plato

[Anonymous No.14256826]

Wait so Hegel went from being a satan worshipper to being a demon himself? That escalated quickly

[Anonymous No.14256858]

>>14254940
I love doing this and I'm a ghost.

[Anonymous No.14256962]

>>14256858
:O

[Anonymous No.14256975]

>>14255774
Have you read and understood Hegel? If so then I am interested. I do not believe you can "feed" these beings, why would they be subject to arising/passing away if they are not in our reality? Or is it a question of large scale "forms" gaining control of matter via widespread degeneracy/sadness?

[Anonymous No.14256992]

I visited Hegel during my lucid dream. He was on the third sphere.

[Anonymous No.14256998]

>>14254496
I have.

[Anonymous No.14257019]

>>14256975
I didn't write that. It's just a fun pasta going around. Still true though. There are a lot of ways to interpret what he means by these things, but one way I take it is that the system is vampiric because it "feeds" on the energy of working men and women to consolidate itself. Working men and women, the commuter gridlock every fucking week day morning, are like the thing's mitochondria.

[Anonymous No.14257196]

>>14254496
Oh shit an Anti Hegel thread. The (((Archons))) are afraid

[Anonymous No.14257243]

>>14256826
>Wait so Hegel went from being a satan worshipper to being a demon himself? That escalated quickly
That's every Satanist dream and aspiration though. Which is why already established devils don't care bout fucking over worshippers even if establishing some trust would have long term benefit. They know too well they can't allow a second of vulnerability.

[Anonymous No.14257322]

All German Idealism is Neoplatonism but not through having actually properly read them, rather a haphazard hit and miss reinvention of the wheel [of Neoplatonism].
Its the same with Thomism, a poor excuse of philosophy.
The first being to thomism what thomism is to Neoplatonism, although it the former is superior to the latter. As in: Fuck Aquinas.

Damascius retroactively refutes or revises all post-thomist philosophy.

[Anonymous No.14257349]

>>14254565
>>14257196
A reminder that Gnostics are the actual "archon" (daemons {not "demons"} who test our will) sent to obstruct the climb of your Soul's ascension so that only those who are ready can transcend. They have no power over you, nobody does, the gods only persuade and lead us up or down the hierarchy, but its your own damn fault for goin down into body, live with it, don't blame the demiurge.
>ignore all gnostic posters

[Anonymous No.14257498]

>>14257019
Makes sense. I just didn’t get the feeding ground for extra dimensional creatures part.

[Anonymous No.14257507]

>>14257349
t. Seething Neoplatonist. Enjoy worshipping Yaldabaoth.

You cant do anything but attack Sethian boogeyman strawmen

[Anonymous No.14257513]

>>14257507
Oh nonono

[Anonymous No.14257517]

"was some egghead 200 years ago this COOL ALCHEMICAL SORCEROR LEVEL 100 DND MASTER WHO CHANGED EVERYTHING FOR THE GNOSTIC ARCHON DEMON ENTITIES???"

go outside you fucking nerd

[Anonymous No.14257521]

>>14257517
Ok Subhuman Hylic.

>>14257349
According to Plotinus, why did we get put into physical bodies?

[Anonymous No.14257524]

>>14257521
>>14257521
Have sex.

[Anonymous No.14257532]

>>14257524
cope incel.

[Anonymous No.14257541]

>>14257532
"cope" copecel

[Anonymous No.14257556]

>>14257541
keep coping seethfag

[Anonymous No.14257615]

>>14257521
Not sure about plotinus himself but I remember reading that Thomas Taylor said something about the physical being natural effects of Ideas. So I’d say that our intellects or souls are instances of the Idea that the Divine Intellect has of himself.

[Anonymous No.14257624]

>>14257615
so it is the demiurges fault im alive reeeeee

[Anonymous No.14257626]

>>14257615
Although this doesn't answer the question the soul is a tripartite microcosm of the macrocosm

[Anonymous No.14257649]

>>14257521
>According to Plotinus, why did we get put into physical bodies?
Plotinus answers this in one of the most beautiful texts in the whole Neoplatonic corpus. Watch this Gnostic.

> 1. How does it happen that souls forget their paternal divinity? Having a divine nature, and having originated from the divinity, how could they ever misconceive the divinity or themselves? The origin of their evil is "audacity,"216 generation, the primary diversity, and the desire to belong to none but themselves.217 As soon as they have enjoyed the pleasure of an independent life, and by largely making use of their power of self-direction, they advanced on the road that led them astray from their principle, and now they have arrived at such an "apostasy" (distance) from the Divinity, that they are even ignorant that they derive their life from Him. Like children that were separated from their family since birth, and that were long educated away from home finally lose knowledge of their parents and of themselves, so our souls, no longer seeing either the divinity or themselves, have become degraded by forgetfulness of their origin, have attached themselves to other objects, have admired anything rather than themselves, have like prodigals scattered their esteem and love on exterior objects, and have, by breaking the bond that united them to the divinities, disdainfully wandered away from it. Their ignorance of the divinity is therefore caused by excessive valuation of external objects, and their scorn174 of themselves. The mere admiration and quest after what is foreign implies, on the soul's part, an acknowledgment of self-depreciation. As soon as a soul thinks that she is worth less than that which is born and which perishes, and considers herself as more despicable and perishable than the object she admires, she could no longer even conceive of the nature and power of the divinity.


http://www.gutenberg.org/files/42930/42930-h/42930-h.htm#v_1

[Anonymous No.14257669]

>>14257649
>Souls have forgotten their divine origin because of their attachment to the material world

This is literally (Valentinian) Gnosticism. The only difference in Sethian Gnosticism is that a greater emphasis is put on the Demiurge intentionally making this world desirable, and SEPARATING males from females, which caused forgetfulness, when originally they were just one.


And I dont think this explains exactly how the souls got from the world soul to a physical body?
unless its saying that we, as souls, forgot our divinity while we were still part of the world soul, which is what caused us to descend into this world?

[Anonymous No.14257689]

>>14257669
Only a particular body is evil.
The universe as, a whole, is perfect, good, and righteous, being the divine body of the queen of heaven.
A life isn't inherently bad, as plotinus says, we are meant to go down; the evil is when once we've generated a good life, being the expression of our power, we like children want more, another life, and then another, each worse than the last because we loose touch with telos. We fall in love with the image (effect) and forget the hidden power that caused it (the one in ourselves).

>Thus, in sum, the soul, a divine being and a dweller in the loftier realms, has entered body; it is a god, a later phase of the divine: but, under stress of its powers and of its tendency to bring order to its next lower, it penetrates to this sphere in a voluntary plunge: if it turns back quickly, all is well; it will have taken no hurt by acquiring the knowledge of evil and coming to understand what sin is, by bringing its forces into manifest play, by exhibiting those activities and productions which, remaining merely potential in the unembodied, might as well never have been even there, if destined never to come into actuality, so that the soul itself would never have known that suppressed and inhibited total.

>The act reveals the power, a power hidden, and we might almost say obliterated or nonexistent, unless at some moment it became effective: in the world as it is, the richness of the outer stirs us all to the wonder of the inner whose greatness is displayed in acts so splendid.

[Anonymous No.14257690]

>>14257669
The Alexandrian School (Plotinus, Porphyry holds that the upper part of the soul is universal and identical with the world soul and thus never descends, and the lower part is particular and only particular souls forget and descend. The Athenian School (Damascius, Proclus) holds that there is a non participates monad of the soul, then the world soul which only animates the world body and particular souls, and among particular souls there are divine and daemonic souls that never descend, heroic souls that descend but not out of desire, but to help fallen souls (like Bodhisattvas), and human souls which by their very nature descend and are always periodically between earth and the heavens.

[Anonymous No.14257703]

>>14257690
The relationship between particular souls and universal or world soul in Plotinus is kind of like Atman/Brahman, except in the Vedanta Brahman is the ultimate principle of all, whereas in Neoplatonism the world soul is only the third hypostasis (although the three are eternal). Interestingly enough Vaishnavas call Krishna the world soul (paratman).

[Anonymous No.14257705]

>>14257703
>world soul
Super* soul

[Anonymous No.14257707]

>>14257689
>Something besides a unity there must be or all would be indiscernibly buried, shapeless within that unbroken whole: none of the real beings [of the Intellectual Kosmos] would exist if that unity remained at halt within itself: the plurality of these beings, offspring of the unity, could not exist without their own nexts taking the outward path; these are the beings holding the rank of souls.

>In the same way the outgoing process could not end with the souls, their issue stifled: every Kind must produce its next; it must unfold from some concentrated central principle as from a seed, and so advance to its term in the varied forms of sense. The prior in its being will remain unalterably in the native seat; but there is the lower phase, begotten to it by an ineffable faculty of its being, native to soul as it exists in the Supreme.

>To this power we cannot impute any halt, any limit of jealous grudging; it must move for ever outward until the universe stands accomplished to the ultimate possibility. All, thus, is produced by an inexhaustible power giving its gift to the universe, no part of which it can endure to see without some share in its being.

Close your eyes and dream.

[Anonymous No.14257709]

>>14257669
>This is literally (Valentinian) Gnosticism.
The two systems are very similar. Many have noticed. I think the beef between Neoplatonists, Gnostics (and early Christians) was that they were disputing the same niche.

[Anonymous No.14257714]

>>14257689
>>14257690
The "World Soul" from Neoplatonism sounds just like the "Sophia" from Gnosticism actually

[Anonymous No.14257745]

>>14257714
>Wherefore, because of this reasoning, He fashioned it to be One single Whole, compounded of all wholes, perfect and ageless and unfailing. And he bestowed on it the shape which was befitting and akin. Now for that Living Creature which is designed to embrace within itself all living creatures the fitting shape will be that which comprises within itself all the shapes there are; wherefore He wrought it into a round, in the shape of a sphere, equidistant in all directions from the center to the extremities, which of all shapes is the most perfect and the most self-similar, since He deemed that the similar is infinitely fairer than the dissimilar. And on the outside round about, it was all made smooth with great exactness, and that for many reasons.

[Anonymous No.14257764]

>>14257745
>. . . He made it smooth and even and equal on all sides from the center, a whole and perfect body compounded of perfect bodies, And in the midst thereof He set Soul, which He stretched throughout the whole of it, and therewith He enveloped also the exterior of its body; and as a Circle revolving in a circle He established one sole and solitary Heaven, able of itself because of its excellence to company with itself and needing none other beside, sufficing unto itself as acquaintance and friend. And because of all this He generated it to be a blessed God.

[Anonymous No.14257800]

>>14257745
>>14257764
This is the creation of the world soul by the Demiurge?

[Anonymous No.14257808]

You know the Neoplatonists and the Gnostics should put aside their minor semantic differences and focus on the real menaces; Orthodox religion, and Atheist Materialism

[Anonymous No.14257860]

>>14254496
>an alchemical sorcerer who engineered history into an energy farm for the Archons

[Anonymous No.14257861]

>>14257808
Agreed

[Anonymous No.14257882]

>>14257649
Written like a true puppet of the Demiurge - the only worth, only source of light is in the Spirit. In the individual.
Anything else is a spook, concerned with nothing but their own egoistic cause.

[Anonymous No.14257888]

>>14257498
Why?

[Anonymous No.14257901]

>>14257649
It seems like he is saying that a 'distance' from divinity occured when he entered physical bodies as a choice that occured beforehand, but why did divinity allow itself to become divided in this sense? And isn't death the return to the divine?

[Anonymous No.14257913]

>>14255774
Government is an idea. Ideas are impossible to destroy; they can only be replaced. The divine right of kings wasn’t destroyed; it was replaced by Republicanism and Democracy. The execution of Louis 17th was symbolic of this transition. Never again would you be able to replace an idea by killing a man. I think Hegel wanted to say that by putting our faith an idea it would surpass that of putting our faith in men.

[Anonymous No.14257915]

>>14257901
Thats what i asked him before, its more that we havent become "separated" from the world soul as such. The higher part of our soul is still attatched to the world soul, but the lower part has forgotten about it due to its desire for the material world

There is a similar idea in Gnosticism with the Aeon Sophia having both an "upper" part still attatched to Barbelo, and a "Lower" part that descended into Yaldabaoths material world

[Anonymous No.14257922]

Neo-platonists conceptualize too much, even more ITT, at this point it's just mental masturbation. Look at >>14257626, what's the point of drawing the spheres or even dividing them? Is your goal to sound more scientific with that?

Once you apprehend theos through spiritual practices all this conceptualisation becomes irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.14257923]

>>14257901
>>14257915


it was here >>14257690
>>14257703

[Anonymous No.14257925]

>>14257922
Yes, but beginners need to see it to understand the concept. We arent all Gnosis masters yet ;)

[Anonymous No.14257933]

>>14257882
Was Nietzsche the ultimate Sethian Gnostic?

[Anonymous No.14257942]

>>14256062
You don't understand infinite chain of suspicion it has nothing to do with biocultural differences.

[Anonymous No.14257950]

>>14257925
Maybe, yes, just to abandon materialism, positions such as idealism and neo-platonism, could be useful. Perhaps there is also a charm in excessive conceptualisation. But it's too easy to just stay bounded to texts instead of rigorous practices, reading too much can give the illusion of more understanding, but it doesn't give any.

[Anonymous No.14257953]

>>14256062
this is pretty based. I can imagine a society where every member is the spiritual equivalent of Jesus Christ. Maybe Communism or Mutualism could actually work then

[Anonymous No.14257955]

>>14257950
Yeah I reckon I can agree with that. I remember a Quote from Imam Ali; "A donkey loaded with books is still a donkey"

But in regards to practices, what do do? obviously meditation, but do you mean to practice sekret occult rituals?

[Anonymous No.14258003]

>>14257922
philosophy is the highest theurgy

[Anonymous No.14258008]

>>14257800
it's not created, it has always been

[Anonymous No.14258010]

>>14257955
There are endless parallels to that quote in eastern practice. Many of them lead through esoteric ritual to accelerate the process. I don't think it's a necessity for attainment but the thing with occult praxis is if you're consulting occult texts, you ain't actually doing shit if you aren't putting it into occult practice.

[Anonymous No.14258093]

>>14256120
God is described as acting beyond comprehension in basically every major religion. Does this mean spirituality is nothing but a ploy to soften us up, fatten us, like a cow in a factory farm?

[Anonymous No.14258120]

>>14257882
Sorry I don’t interact with edgytard babbys

[Anonymous No.14258226]

>>14258093
Probably, the yellowhats meld their mindstream with a time eating egregore.

[Anonymous No.14258283]

>>14257626
what question? the intellect is the higher part of the soul

[Anonymous No.14258297]

>NOOOOO!!! WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU TREAT WITH ARCHONS AND AEONS ALIKE??? YOU CAN'T JUST DEFY MY CHILDLIKE DICHOTOMIZED IDEOLOGY!!!! THERE HAS TO BE OPPOSING OPPOSITES AND NOTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT!!! AAAAAAA!!!

New age gnostics are fucking pathetic. What spineless forms fear the transcendent, flinching at the thought of metaphysical retribution? What incredulous cowards bemoan a lake of fire, rather than smile and move through the burning air without any attention to such trivialities? Beings that are the epitome of "pitiful".

Rather than run from the nightmare, embrace it with such genuine enjoyment that the dynamic is subverted, holding the malevolent in strange bondage, and your architecture dawns entirely new concepts that break all known categorization of "good" and "bad".

Seek the knowledge that all would keep from you. Become the thing that would unite all extreme opposites of good and bad out of existential dread. Make the shadow fear you.

[Anonymous No.14258303]

>>14257913
>Louis 17th
mais bordel

[Anonymous No.14258307]

>>14256610
>t. Schopie

[Anonymous No.14258308]

>>14257942
Yes it does, it's the reason infinite chain of suspicion doesn't occur on Earth, as humans are able to understand each other.

[Anonymous No.14258312]

no voegelin ?

[Anonymous No.14258327]

>>14258312
Boomer philosophy

[Anonymous No.14258403]

>>14257689
Complete inversion of gnosticism. The individual (its formal integrity) is thoroughly good, but it is the world that is evil.

If you tweak Proclus a bit, add Perlman and Whitehead, with a dash of Voegelin and Mani, you go from "hmm, this Proclus guy is pretty dank" to "hmm so all forms are coordinated by their identity with the Monad of Being..." to "hmm this monad mediates and attenuates all forms with each other, thereby grounding Whiteheadian thermodynamic robbery and the Manichaean soteriology of consumption..." to "hmm so Leviathans are undead/vampiric universals that feed on subjects just by their participation in a world" to "HMM HEGEL'S SPIRIT IS THE HIGHEST AND MOST CONCRETE UNIVERSALITY" to "HEGEL WAS A SORCERER AND THE LEFT AND RIGHT BEING LOBOTOMIZED BASTARD CHILDREN..."

[Anonymous No.14258477]

>>14257901
>>14257689
>>14257707
The One is like meta-quantum cloud, pure potential, from himself God begets himself, by being the One as knowing himself he is another and not the One; eternally falling away and returning to himself, simultaneously. We are all each fully him, yet none are him.

[Anonymous No.14258649]

>>14257689
What is our telos?

[Anonymous No.14258654]

>>14258477
Why?

[Anonymous No.14259064]

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