/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.14248287]

Is Duolingo a good way to learn a language if your main priority is reading? Most criticism I’ve seen is that it doesn’t prepare you to use the language in the real world because it doesn’t test spoken usage well and doesn’t require any spontaneous construction, but that doesn’t seem like a huge obstacle for reading. For German people seem to report that it teaches around three thousand words, which is surely a decent start...

What else would you recommend (for German specifically)?

[Anonymous No.14248317]

>>14248287
>spontaneous construction
not exactly a skill that is purposeful for speaking a language. linguistic communication isn’t like a math problem: if you don’t know how to say something, the only thing you can do is ask someone how to say it, you can’t just “figure it out”, so to speak
anything that could be considered “construction” beyond that (i.e. putting thoughts together to form sentences) is not really a something that has anything to do with language, and comes very easy to most people without much effort
anyway, yeah duolingo does a good job with reading, you should be fine OP

[Anonymous No.14248320]

I learned german over a 12 month period, and I'm currently studying the german language at university (grammar, litterature and phonetics).

Duolingo is a great source to use in order to get a intuitive feel for german syntax. If you wish to become proficient in the language I can highly recommend memrise, their flashcards are great because the teach you the noun with it's gender. That way you won't struggle the way others do (this is for your own writing/speaking though).

Try to add 15-20 words per day atleast, and review your cards whenever they reset (check once in them morning, once in the afternoon and once in the evening).

After a while of doing this start to read nachrichtenleicht(dot)de
It's easy german news articles. If you install the google translate plugin for chrome you can mark a word to auto translate it.

Start reading a couple of articles from that site a day and keep practicing memrise and duolingo for a few months before going over to other media.

Once you are ready start watching german shows on ard(dot)de . They have german subtitles, which will make it much easier for you to understand what is going on (since reading is easier than listening).

There you go man! Sorry for spelling mistakes etc, but I mashed this out. Hope it helps!

[Anonymous No.14248341]

Anki.
Make either vocabulary or sentence cards out of media you wish to be able to understand.
Pic related is an example of a sentence cards where I put in an English translation only for terms that I didn't know.

Duolingo and language textbooks are like slavery in comparison to Anki.

[Anonymous No.14248355]

Anki.
Make either vocabulary or sentence cards out of media you wish to be able to understand.
Pic related is an example of a sentence cards where I put in an English translation only for terms that I didn't know.

Duolingo and language textbooks are like slavery in comparison to Anki.

[Anonymous No.14248377]

>>14248355
>anki
good for vocab, not much else

[Anonymous No.14248395]

>>14248377
Language learning is mostly learning vocabulary.
Grammar study makes up a significantly smaller portion of the time that is spent studying a language.

[Anonymous No.14248445]

>>14248395
that may be true for languages that are grammatically very similar to one’s native, like an english-speaker learning german, but it is not always the case, and grammar can occupy about a quarter of all studying for some languages

[Anonymous No.14248524]

(I'm currently on a 400 days streak, 20xp a day) I really think that the main strength of the app is that you learn the language the same way you had learnt your native language, by seeing words, listening to sentences and then slowly processing the meanings and structures. Not sure if it's the fastest way to learn a language tho but still cool.

[Anonymous No.14248535]

The only method that has ever worked for me is to work through a textbook that teaches you the grammar, one designed for graduate students and similar people who need to read the language rather than speak it, and then immediately begin reading real texts

Made these autistic posts recently
>>/lit/thread/S14213245#p14213444

[Anonymous No.14248860]

>been using duolingo's French course on and off for a few years
>becoming fluent is French is something I truly want to do
>oh, but look, I'm going to the Netherlands, and Dutch is so easy
>blow through Dutch course in a few weeks
>Swedish is kinda similar too, isn't it? And it's another short course
>ah, an upcoming trip to Greece! Better learn some of that rich ancient language!
>actually I should brush up on my Russian, I haven't studied since Highschool

Help

[Anonymous No.14248948]

>>14248860
Quand qui vouz-comprendez?

[Anonymous No.14248974]

>>14248948
Combien comprenez-vous?

[Anonymous No.14249025]

>>14248524
>20xp a day
are you serious? what do you do that youre so busy you cant spare 5-10 minutes a day studying?

[Anonymous No.14249079]

>>14248287
I learned Italian with Duolingo and I'm currently learning German. I'm a native Spanish speaker, so Italian was quite easy, but German feels pretty rough. Duolingo definately works, but bare in mind that it's not the fastest way to learn a language at all, and you'll reach a B1-B2 level at most(To read almost any book in any language you should at least be C1). Considering you want to be able to read in German, I'd recommend

>"German for Reading" by Karl C. Sandberg and John R. Wendel.

The book aids you with little tricks and ways to understang without knowing having to be too fluent. Also use the Duolingo stories excersices, the stories are pretty cringe, but it helps a lot to see the language in actual use.
Anki is also really good, but make sure to find good decks, otherwise it'll be a waste of time. Don't learn words individually, but in the context of one or multiple sentences. It helps alot with retention.
Also, make sure you start consuming media in the language you are learning as soon as you can. I like to watch The Simpsons in German even though I am still in an A2 level, I know almost all the episodes of the first seasons by heart, and it's ridiculous how listening to a word in context helps you consolidate it in you memory.

>>14248445
>like an english-speaker learning german
English grammar is a fucking joke compared to German. Knowing English will only help you with vocabulary, if anything.

>>14248524
Based. You should bump that up to 60xp a day at least tho.

[Anonymous No.14249235]

>>14248320
Useful tips, thanks friend. I feel like a retard reading those simple news articles though and I don't even have the vocabulary to understand all of it.

[Anonymous No.14249278]

>>14249235
Rome wasn't conquered in one day, anon.

[Anonymous No.14249692]

>>14249079
>English grammar is a fucking joke compared to German.
And German grammar is baby's play in comparison to Finnish grammar

[Anonymous No.14249834]

>>14248287
>Is Duolingo a good way to learn a language
No.
Get a textbook, attend a course.

[Anonymous No.14249864]

>>14249834
Good way to learn a language, bad way to acquire a language.

[Anonymous No.14249928]

>>14248287
Other anons have posted useful tips, but since I started learning German around a year ago and now I'm reading Goethe, I thought I'd write my thoughts. If your priority is reading, you should focus most of your efforts on first grammar and then vocabulary. Without any of them you won't be able to read. I studied the book German for Reading that the other anon mentioned, and it covers almost all of relevant grammar and a good portion of vocabulary. But in terms of vocab it's not enough. Supplement the book with memorizing and reviewing 10+ words everyday so that you'll have memorized 2000+ words by the time you finish the book (I used memrise for that), and once you finish it, you'll be able to read simple literature (such as Grimm), and as you read more you'll be able to move on to more advanced books.

[Anonymous No.14250044]

>>14248287
It's basically useless except as just another resource you add to overall language learning. Even then, I'm not sure it's very useful. You should minimise testing and memorisation in favour of getting into content in the language, both written and spoken, as fast as possible. You learn through use. Remembering a definition is just the start which you can skip for most words and go right to the real learning. Even if you disagree with this, the fact is it's much faster learning words through real use of the language than memorisation and you learn competency in how to read and write.

[Anonymous No.14250063]

>>14249079
>>14249692
>durr cases mean complex grammar
Retards. English prepositions are more specific than the cases of either Finnish or German barring nominative and accusative, which are determined by wordorder, as they largely mark semantic role rather than syntactic role. See how Finnish has no instrumental. German also has this as English does but not nearly as much.

German is probably still harder because you need to memorise a lot. Finnish on the other hand is agglutinative and streamlined into cases so it's much easier to learn.

[Anonymous No.14250072]

>>14249079
>Knowing English will only help you with vocabulary, if anything.
Bullshit. Try learning Japanese or some Indigenous Australian language coming from English. German is a Germanic language and much of the basic grammar holds.

[Anonymous No.14250125]

>>14250063
You write good

[Anonymous No.14250205]

>>14248320
Thank you so much for this post. Ive been in a bit of a rut lately. I hope this helps out.

[Anonymous No.14250234]

>>14248320
>I learned german in 12 months
>im currently studying the german language

lmaoooo

>>14248287
Duolingo is good for placing your solidly in beginner territory, as opposed to being completely new. Learning a few hundred words and basic grammar so you can move on more quickly. Completing the duolingo tree might get you to a2 level in your target lang at most.

>>14248535
based af

[Anonymous No.14250292]

>>14250234
It takes 10k hours to master any language. Nobody could do that in less than 21 months, unless they were interacting with the language all day long.

[Anonymous No.14250304]

>>14250292
The 10k hours thing is a meme bruh. Made up by some biracial mutt from Canada to sell his gay book

[Anonymous No.14250334]

>>14248535
How many languages have you learned and to what extent? If by chance you've learned German or French what materials would you recommend for getting the grammar and morphology down?

Grammar just seems like a total mystery to me. It took me months to intuit how cases work and what they are.

[Anonymous No.14250365]

>>14248287

If you want to learn a language to read, just start reading simple books in that language (I'm talking children's literature) and work your way up?

[Anonymous No.14250374]

>>14250292

>10k hours

Nigger that's for things like boxing and ice skating.

It all depends on what language it is and what your native tongue is.

[Anonymous No.14250407]

What books should I get for learning Spanish and Russian? I only know English, but want to learn over time.

[Anonymous No.14250416]

>>14250407
Whatever the fuc you want

[Anonymous No.14250464]

>>14250416
Not very helpful anon.

[Anonymous No.14250869]

>>14250407
Go to https://www.hispachan

and https://2ch..

[Anonymous No.14250877]

>>14249025
I'm in "prépa", it's a french term for two years just after high school where you work a lot to try to get into prestigious schools.

[Anonymous No.14251425]

>>14250869
>recommending hispachan to someone who wants to practice spanish
Hahahahaha...Hispachan is the worst place to go if you want to practice spanish. As someone who posts there from time to time on a local board, I think a spanish-speaking subreddit or anywhere else is a fairly better place to practice than that cesspool.

[Anonymous No.14251492]

>>14248287
Yes but only if wyt ti'n dysgu Gymraeg since the only good literature outside of Anglo countries is written in Welsh.

[Anonymous No.14251668]

>>14251425
4chan is the new reddit.

[Anonymous No.14251683]

>>14251668
Reddit probably has looser race policies than us

[Anonymous No.14251784]

Does anyone have any suggestions for learning Japanese besides using anki for vocabulary? I've heard some very mixed messages about using Duolingo for learning the language unlike with European ones. It's utterly unlike any other language I know, so any of my previous knowledge from other languages is essentially useless here.

[Anonymous No.14251915]

>>14251784
R E A D E R O G E

[Anonymous No.14252049]

>>14251784
https://djtguide.neocities.org/guide.html

[Anonymous No.14252130]

It's tediously repetitive and slow, and many of duolingo's languages suffer from over-formalization and narrow ranges of answer acceptance, which are corrected mainly by user testing over very, very long periods of time, or sometimes not at all because the course moderators can be hard-asses about it. You would do better to use anki, a grammar book, and a dictionary to work with actual text in the language. Duolingo's good for people who want to make a game out of it and have no aims, like bored housewives or children.

[Anonymous No.14252406]

>>14251784
Personally I like Matt vs Japan, kind of redpilled me on immersion and other stuff like pitch accent theory that lots of other people skip over. Probably a controversial pick among ankidrone types or something.

[Anonymous No.14253381]

>>14252406
I'm not very fond of his half-hour long videos or the way he asserts his claimed benefits of passive immersion, sentence cards as opposed to vocabulary cards, or conscious pitch accent study, but I do more or less generally agree with what he's got to say about language acquisition and primarily using entertainment meant for native speakers of a language to acquire that language (as opposed to using textbooks made for learners).

[Anonymous No.14253387]

grammar is everything
unless you're learning a modern language lol

[Anonymous No.14253629]

>>14250407
Spanish for dummies

[Anonymous No.14253732]

>>14249235
No worries man, hope it helps!
>>14250205
Best of luck!
>>14250234
My bad, I should have been more specific. After having learned for 8 months, I was able to read books in the language, and after 12 months I was able to write in the language with more confidence. The reason I began studying it at university this semester, is so that I can become a foreign language teacher in the future.

Hope that clears it up :)

[Anonymous No.14253899]

lingvist>memrise>duolingo

[Anonymous No.14254358]

>>14248287
Dear pretentious retards, 10 minutes of puzzles on duolingo a day will never teach you a language.

I understand that people lie to each other about "learning" languages on duolingo in the real world (in order to boost their self esteem and acquire more normiepoints or whatever) but why on earth would you lie anonymously? Have you really sunk so low?

[Anonymous No.14254387]

>>14254358
duolingo is a good starting point for absolute beginners

[Anonymous No.14254405]

>>14254358
also, i dont know what you think duolingo is, but most of it is translating sentences to/from the foreign language

[Anonymous No.14254441]

>>14254405
Connecting a few words into a sentence does not account for translating.

Duolingo is poison because it convinces the plebeians (you) that solving trivial puzzles implies knowing a language. It does not, and duolingo is an awful starting point because of its deceptive nature, it is some kind of a poisonous admixture of extremely limited learning potentials and maximal ego inflation for retards.

[Anonymous No.14254488]

>>14248287
Bit of an aside but here's a couple Megas with textbooks and other resources
>#F!x4VG3DRL!lqecF4q2ywojGLE0O8cu4A
>#F!x4VG3DRL!lqecF4q2ywojGLE0O8cu4A!ItEgnZKb

[Anonymous No.14254516]

>>14254441
>pretentious retards
>maximum ego inflation
hmm, if i didnt know any better, i would say you were projecting

but what are you on about?
>sentence is written in moonrunes
>construct a sentence in your native language with as similar a meaning as you can
is that not translating? i feel like your idea of what you actually do on duolingo is not correct

[Anonymous No.14254602]

>>14248320
This Nachrichten Leicht is brilliant. Pitched exactly at my retard-tier level of German.

[Anonymous No.14254607]

>>14254358
Calm down you utter spastic. Nobody cares about your deranged rants.

[Anonymous No.14254705]

>>14254441
You have to use it for more than 10 minutes mate, you actually have to type the sentences once you advance a little.

[Anonymous No.14254741]

>>14248355

This would be great but as there is no good premade deck to get good basic vocab it will just take ages to compile your deck an that time is time spent not learning.

[Anonymous No.14254777]

>>14254607
Ape

[Anonymous No.14254871]

>>14248287
Duolingo is solid as fuck.

>>14248395
>learning a language is mostly learning vocabulary
Holy shit, just shut up. Focusing on only vocabulary is only going to get you to maybe being able to read rote fact recital like a newspaper. You need grammar to work your way through anything actually complex. Regardless, learning a language for anyone actually serious about is more than 80% learning culture and history of the people who speak that language.

You're the kind of idiot that attempts to transliterate jokes.

[Anonymous No.14254965]

>>14254871
>learning a language for anyone actually serious about is more than 80% learning culture and history of the people who speak that language.
You wouldn't deny that it's possible to learn about a culture primarily by reading historical accounts or works of fiction written by people from that culture, would you?
>You need grammar to work your way through anything actually complex.
I'll agree that it's necessary to be able to interpret syntax and inflexions, even though I'm not sure that it's necessary to remember grammatical categorizations' names.
I'm a native Spanish speaker, and I've known how subjunctive and conditional moods work ever since I was I was a small child, yet I didn't know nor did I benefit from knowing their names till a few weeks ago.

[Anonymous No.14255104]

@14248320
This guy's full of shit

[Anonymous No.14255216]

>>14255104
>>14248320

[Anonymous No.14255319]

Any tips for learning Scandinavian languages? (mostly Norwegian) apps, news sources, whatever is welcome

[Anonymous No.14255383]

>native-level is C2
Anybody still believe this?

[Anonymous No.14255770]

>them
"Learn German by using textbooks, doing grammar exercises, translating back and forth between German and English, reading German news articles, watching German films, talking to German people, etc."
Me:
Watch anime with German fansubs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijgbWiXcLJA

[Anonymous No.14256026]

>>14255104
In what sense?

[Anonymous No.14256824]

Anyone know where you can get classic German children books in their original tongue, preferably with a legible modern typeface?

[Anonymous No.14256882]

>>14256824
Isnt this called the poison mushroom or some shit

[Anonymous No.14257067]

>>14254602
Glad you like it!
>>14255216
Sorry you feel that way, which part is it that you don't buy?

[Anonymous No.14257811]

>>14257067

Thanks for the tips.

Do you know something similar to "Nachrichten Leicht" but for learning French? I'm familiar with "News in Slow French" but its content is not for free.

[Anonymous No.14257848]

>>14250072
Lmao, that's true for almost all Indo-European languages, german's "basic grammar" is similar to French, Spanish, English, Italian, Portuguese, Dutch, etc.

>>14250063
It's not just the cases you dumb dumb, German has a shit ton of words that mean very different things depending on context, agglutinative word making, random word gender and strict word order. English, on the other hand, is a Creole. The only "difficult" thing English has is pronunciation and maybe vocabulary.

[Anonymous No.14257879]

>>14257848
Agglutination makes things easier though? Huge help with new word recognition. The word order obviously does have the ending verb shit and the subordinating connectors to learn, but otherwise it's probably less strict than English because you can rely on grammatical case to clarify meanings whereas English is very strict with positioning of not just subject,predicate, object but also various adverbials. The wide range of Latin words, plus occasional French ones, show German as itself a Creole, just a somewhat older one.

Gender is some bullshit though.

[Anonymous No.14257952]

It's truly the worst way to learn a language. Fifteen minutes a day will get you through two or three lessons, or one and a half practice sessions, and at that rate you'll be translating beginner phrases like "The man is eating; We are touching the sugar; Thank you" in roughly one month. It takes about ten hours to get into anything on duolingo, and in that time you could have used five or six targeted resources to learn how to read five or six useful things.

[Anonymous No.14258072]

>>14257811
Sorry, I don't. Never had much of an interest in learning French,because of the fact that it's written one way, and pronounced a different way. That statement is true for most languages, but especially with French.

[Anonymous No.14258220]

>>14258072
Says this while typing in english, the most disgruntled language in existence.

[Anonymous No.14258246]

>>14258220
The difference is that most of us learn English at a young age, so we don't "learn" it the same way we would go about learning a foreign language in our twenties.

[Anonymous No.14258263]

>>14250334
>It took me months to intuit how cases work and what they are.

why?

[Anonymous No.14258273]

>>14258072
Not really, the orthography rules of French are extremely regular and clean. There's maybe only two or three words in the whole language that aren't pronounced exactly as they're written.

You will, though, have to accept the fact that French orthography doesn't conform to your arbitrary notions of elegance.

[Anonymous No.14258279]

>>14258246
>>14258246
As a non-native that's studying french, I can tell you that learning french gives me save feeling I had when studying english: not being able to correlate written word for pronunciation, having foreign sounds, having to memorize the spelling of some words. Despite that, french is easier to learn than english because, while not having a letter by sound system, you can still memorize patterns in it. "ois" will always sound like "wa" and most of the consonants at the end of words are silent safe for s sometimes. You can't just trust the inner logic of the language like this in english.

[Anonymous No.14258289]

>>14250407
penguin russian course and otto bond's graded readers

[Anonymous No.14258299]

>>14258273
French is an incredibly ugly and quite retarded language. Thankfully it doesn’t have a great literature that I feel I’m missing out on, unlike eg German, Italian, Spanish, Russian, Japanese. A very vulgar and shallow people.

[Anonymous No.14258337]

>>14258299
>Thankfully it doesn’t have a great literature that I feel I’m missing out on

You've got no idea...

[Anonymous No.14258536]

>>14258299
>Thankfully it doesn’t have a great literature that I feel I’m missing out on

[Anonymous No.14258656]

>>14248320
pretty please anons, could somebody make a post like this, but for french?

[Anonymous No.14258685]

>>14258337
>>14258536
To quote Fichte: Incidentally it is evident that the impulse to thinking, in the case of a people with a dead language, will be most powerful and produce the greatest apparent results in the beginning, when the language has not yet become clear enough to everyone. It is also evident that, as soon as the language becomes clearer and more definite, this impulse to thinking will tend more and more to die away in the chains of the language. It is further evident that in the end the philosophy of a people of this kind will consciously resign itself to the fact that it is only an explanation of the dictionary, or, as un-German spirits among us have expressed it in a more high-sounding fashion, a metacritic of language; and, finally, that such a people will acknowledge some mediocre didactic poem in comedy form on the subject of hypocrisy to be its greatest philosophical work.

[Anonymous No.14258721]

>>14258656
I learned French over a 12 month period, and I'm currently studying the french language at university (grammar, litterature and phonetics).

Duolingo is a great source to use in order to get a intuitive feel for french syntax. If you wish to become proficient in the language I can highly recommend memrise, their flashcards are great because the teach you the noun with it's gender. That way you won't struggle the way others do (this is for your own writing/speaking though).

Try to add 15-20 words per day atleast, and review your cards whenever they reset (check once in them morning, once in the afternoon and once in the evening).

After a while of doing this start to read nouvellesfacile(dot)fr
It's easy french news articles. If you install the google translate plugin for chrome you can mark a word to auto translate it.

Start reading a couple of articles from that site a day and keep practicing memrise and duolingo for a few months before going over to other media.

Once you are ready start watching French shows on ard(dot)fr . They have French subtitles, which will make it much easier for you to understand what is going on (since reading is easier than listening).

There you go man! Sorry for spelling mistakes etc, but I mashed this out. Hope it helps!

[Anonymous No.14258734]

>>14258721
You've been added to my filter list, shitlord.

[Anonymous No.14258901]

>>14258734
You can't filter the truth

[Anonymous No.14258923]

>>14257067
>Sorry you feel that way, which part is it that you don't buy?
im not the guy that said you were full of shit, i just wanted to see what post he was replying to

[Anonymous No.14258926]

>>14248320
how long did it take you at the article reading stage before you feel like you just "knew german"?

[Anonymous No.14258947]

>>14248287
I think at the beginning it is good but then switch to audiobooks and books and simply look up what you do not understand when reading and just put in the hours when listening. Watching netflix in the language is good too but audiobooks are simply denser. Listen through the 7 harry potters and by the end you should be at a 5th graders level in the language.

[Anonymous No.14258953]

>>14258289
just adding to this, since nobody uses these things anymore for some reason

graded readers are the single best way i have found to read when you are just starting out and already have some decent grammar knowledge. this company D.C. Heath published a bunch. Premiere Etape is otto bond's french one, pic related is the russian one, and the german ones are by Peter Hagboldt

[Anonymous No.14258967]

>>14248287
a really good website is Clozemaster although i would start with duo

[Anonymous No.14258969]

>>14258953
also to add to this, you can find several of these for free on google and try them out if you like. in terms of getting vital vocabulary they were absolutely essential for me and just the right pace. also you feel like you're reading real stories, because you are, just a bit tidied up.

the first chapter of Premiere Etape is from Monte Cristo and it's great. the first chapter of the russian one is from lermontov's Hero of Our Time.

[Anonymous No.14258991]

>>14258279
You would love German. Everything is pretty logical except for the fucking transgender articles.

[Anonymous No.14259048]

I love these threads. Observing retarded monolinguals spewing nonsense and bragging about their inefficient language acquisition methods is great fun.

[Anonymous No.14259083]

>>14259048
What's the best way to learn a language?

[Anonymous No.14259088]

>>14259048
10 supercarriers
46% of all guns

[Anonymous No.14259090]

>>14259048
that's seriously 'great fun' to you

[Anonymous No.14259097]

>>14259083
amateur:
translate by your own texts that interest you
use interactive apps like duolingo
listen to audio recordings when sleeping
watch movies with subtitles

pro:
move to the country where the language is from

[Anonymous No.14259103]

>>14259083
Be a yuropoor and speak a dead language then have to learn English because your neighbor 10 miles away doesn't speak Flemish.

Is anyone dumber than Belgium? Maybe the Danish. At least Dutch is a retarded German-English hybrid. Danish is fucking retarded. It's some kind of German-Nordic retardspeak. Remember when fucking Belgium tried to stop the Germans in WW1 and then got absolutely shat on? Fucking idiots should have just stayed neutral.

[Anonymous No.14259173]

>>14259097
>just move to Qo'noS, bro

[Anonymous No.14259190]

>>14255319
bump

[Anonymous No.14259214]

>>14259097
>listen to audio recordings when sleeping
any scientific basis for this?

[Anonymous No.14259222]

>>14259048
being multilingual isnt an accomplishment when youre a european whose native language isnt english

[Anonymous No.14259226]

>>14259103
>phonetically more complex
>Dumb dumb speak

Yea keep trying with your bs opinion of Danish

[Anonymous No.14259233]

>>14259048
It's quite painful to be honest.

[Anonymous No.14259244]

>>14259083
just use the internet lmao
NOTE: only works with English

[Anonymous No.14259301]

>>14259226
It's great at being unintelligable to both German and Nordic speakers. It's a useless little language. At least if you know German you can read Dutch. Danish is useless.

[Anonymous No.14259347]

>>14248320
>>14258926
Part 2 for further elaboration.
>how long did it take you at the article reading stage before you feel like you just "knew german"?

There was no single point where I just "knew german", I read nachrichtenleicht for 4-5 months or so, while adding new words and trying to converse with German friends on discord. If there is anything close to a point where I felt that I just "got it" it was at the 10 month mark or so when I started listening to German podcasts without problems.

Media consumption ranking (personal opinion)
1. Reading simplified articles or children stories.
2. Reading standard news/books.
- In my case this was Süddeutsche Zeitung and der Spiegel. And the first German book I read was Abstieg in Würde (non-fiction book).
After that I started reading popular fantasy books in German, while having the audio book running in the background as I was reading. I did this to prevent my "inner voice" from reinforcing bad intonation.

3. Movies/shows with subs
4. Movies/shows without subs
5. Podcasts
- I rank podcasts the highest, because there is no visual element to give you a cue about what is going on. It's pure audio, it's harder than talking face to face with a native, who gestures with their body.

[Anonymous No.14259385]

>>14248320
>>14259347
Part 3

In the end it all depends on much time you have, and how much you're willing to spend.
At some point during the 4-5 month mark, I started adding 40-60 words a day on memrise, and I just grinded the flashcards for hours every single day. This gave me a massive boost. So it would have taken me far longer, if I just stuck with 20 words per day.

From the 6-7 or so month mark, I started adding bare minimum goals for me to be happy with what I did that day for my progress.

1.Add atleast 25 words on memrise.
2.Do atleast 5 practice runs on duolingo (equates to about 80-90 sentences that you have to translate).
3. Watch atleast 30 min of German media (most of the time a show like Dark on Netflix, or just some random ARD(dot)de documentary.
4. Read atleast two news articles (from normal sites such as spiegel or Süddeutsche.

That's about it anons, if there are any further questions I'd love to answer when I get the chance!

[Anonymous No.14259400]

>>14259385
>I just grinded the flashcards for hours every single day
dont take this the wrong way, but are you a NEET?

[Anonymous No.14259420]

>>14259400
No offence taken!
I was NEET at the time yes. Don't let that discourage you though! Atm I am a fulltime student with a job, and I still have the freetime to work on learning Turkish!

If you plan your day out, you will be suprised by how much time there is to utilize! :)

[Anonymous No.14259451]

>>14259385
Ich have zwei Harry Potter bucher gehort. Ich habe das ich kann mehr werten gedinkt. Huete ich werde der dritte buch horen.

[Anonymous No.14259474]

>>14259451
Gut gemacht Brudi!

[Anonymous No.14260111]

Going through a book on grammar in a certain language is not enough to try to read literature in that language.
I can tell from my personal experience that I've gone through at least a few Japanese grammar books, but have often found myself stumbling upon slightly unusually structured, long, or somewhat vague sentences that I've come across in all sorts of works from visual novels that ought to be extremely easy to read (like To-Heart) to real literary works like こころ.

[Anonymous No.14260146]

>>14248355
pic related is a really poorly made card but anki is king yes

[Anonymous No.14260166]

>>14248287
duo is good as an introduction to a language

[Anonymous No.14260173]

>>14260166
No better than watching films and TV series from one country with English subs for several thousands of hours

[Anonymous No.14260182]

>>14260146
I already knew the base form of the verb fahren back when I made that card, but didn't know the past tense form fuhr, which is why I put that in.
I didn't know the verb zeigen at all, so I added both the conjugated and the unconjugated form in.

[Anonymous No.14260193]

>>14260111
To be fair Japanese is unusually hard in this respect. Even modern Japanese people have trouble reading real literature. "Everyday" spoken/living Japanese is not identical with literary Japanese.

[Anonymous No.14260224]

>>14259083
Getting a native lover

[Anonymous No.14260238]

>>14248287
I just do whatever will get me to the level where I can read Harry Potter with a pop-up dictionary/translator. With Italian I only needed like 2 months of Duolingo and 3 weeks of Clozemaster, but that's only because I already knew how to read French at a decent level.

Then you can just read. The largest leap you'll ever experience with a language is the first 100 pages of Harry Potter (or an equivalent). Or at least that's my hypothesis, which just got its second confirmation yesterday and especially today.

Are you aware of "German for Reading" by Karl Sandberg? If not then try it, it's on Libgen. There's one for French too.

[Anonymous No.14260251]

>>14260238
Could you give a more detailed description of how your knowledge progresses? When do you start feeling confident?

[Anonymous No.14260268]

>>14260193
I'm mostly learning Japanese for the sake of both otaku media and literature, not for the sake of having conversations with normal people, so I feel like I'm fucked by not being able to understand anything more complex than ゆるゆり with a high degree of certainty.

[Anonymous No.14260285]

>>14260268
Yeah it's rough. I know people who are in PhD programs studying Japanese, meaning they've been at it for 5-10 years, and they still struggle with passing the language exams despite BASICALLY being able to read it. Ever seen videos like this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IARguDQIGVs

[Anonymous No.14260288]

>>14260224

Yeah I used to believe this. I'm almost 2 years into the relationship and my French is still garbage.

[Anonymous No.14260444]

>>14260251
With French I went from slogging through like 3 pages of HP in half an hour to already having entire paragraphs I could read without pausing to use the dictionary/translator by chapter 7 (which starts when they arrive at the school). After finishing the first book of that I read an adult work (Sérotonine), also with dictionary/translator, and then another one of the same author (Les Particules élémentaires), this time without dictionary/translator and with high pace, because I was listening to the audiobook while reading.

Now I can open lemonde.fr and read through a news item quickly, without a dictionary, and understand like 98% of it, which makes me feel confident enough. But there wasn't a single moment when I started to feel confident. It happened after 100+ pages of HP for the first time, then like a halfway through Sérotonine (first half was again a slog, sometimes almost like HP, because of the relative jump in difficulty), and third time when I realized I can actually follow the audiobook's pace with Les Particules élémentaires.

Yesterday and today I read half of chapter 6 and 7 each of HP in Italian, and so far it's been going similarly to French.

[Anonymous No.14260453]

>>14260285
I can empathize with people who struggle with understanding Japanese, but one one hand, I know that language learning programs in Western universities for East Asian languages are not very good at building proper language comprehension abilities because of their reliance on textbooks written within grammar-translation teaching paradigm, whereas on the other hand immersion and sentence cards methods don't really seem to offer a way to actually solve this problem, since they rely on the belief that a person can understand anything if they happen to know every single word they see.

[Anonymous No.14260521]

>reading Harry Potter I'm your target language

Never do this

[Anonymous No.14260528]

>>14260521
Is it a vector of counter-initiation

[Anonymous No.14260837]

I finished the Dutch duolingo course. What do next? I'm quite confident reading the language.