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[Anonymous No.14234907]

Isn't christianity just determinism with extra steps?

[Anonymous No.14234912]

No. What a stupid thread. Sage.

[Anonymous No.14234915]

>>14234907
>christianity
>deterministic
calvinists I swear

[Anonymous No.14234927]

Aren't you paraphrasing that one kids show about aliens, Mork & Mindy?

[Anonymous No.14234928]

>>14234907
does she call her HPV colonies her micro-babies? is she a germ mom?

[Anonymous No.14234972]

>>14234907
I pity people who can't(incapable) develop a connection with another human being and a real hero that your soul, mind and sexuality are so high that quick sexual gratification are considerable inferior and repugnant.

[Anonymous No.14235122]

>>14234927
It's actually Billy & Mandy bro

[Anonymous No.14235138]

>>14234907
>that thot

[Anonymous No.14235158]

>>14234912
>No.
how does an omniscient and omnipotent being not necessitate determinism?

[Anonymous No.14235256]

>>14235158
Abandon materialism. God is the creator of all. That means he is beyond eternity. It is not simply that he is at the beginning and end of time like book ends; rather, time itself was created by him. You consider omniscience and omnipotence as a man would, as though these were super-powers wielded by a limited being. But if you consider the omniscience and omnipotence of a creator who is in all ways beyond his creation, then it is there is little contradiction between these and the free-will of creation. Especially when you remember that this free-will is attached to so little power that essentially all that meaningfully exists of our being is the freedom of our will.

[Anonymous No.14235267]

>>14234928
>germ mom
You are now painfully aware of the fact that blowfly girl is middle aged now.

[Anonymous No.14235282]

>>14235256
Why did god create evil?

[Anonymous No.14235289]

>>14234907
I’m gonna love it once she hits the brick wall and nobody wants to fuck her anymore.

[Anonymous No.14235324]

>>14235282
Why do authors write about conflict?

[Anonymous No.14235327]

>>14235282
He did not create evil. Rather he allowed man and the angels to disobey. That is what it means to have free will. If the results of a choice are indifferent, then no choice exists. We can only be considered as having a choice if there is a meaningful difference. Therefore, in order that we might share in creation, God has allowed us to choose. In choosing to disobey God's will, we create discord, we destroy the unity of creation. And because God (by his being, and in the creation of all things) is the author of all good, to act against God is to create evil, simply by creating dissension and rupture in the relationship between a perfectly ordered creation.

[Anonymous No.14235351]

>>14235327
Why did God allow the manifestation of evil (identical to creating evil) then? I'm thinking what you want to do is change the linguistic format of this argument so you can further state how God allows 'evil' because he wants us to love him genuinely, but anyone with the right mind knows that since God is omnipotent he can determine the rules of the universe, therefore he would not have to choose that rule.

[Anonymous No.14235506]

>>14235351
Christians need to say that God is good because they need to contrast him with the gods of other religions and the devil. Same problem as its root religion of Zoroastrianism. It creates a need for extreme rhetorical acrobatics. The answer that would satisfy this is that there is only one God, responsible for all phenomena, and Man calls that phenomena Good if it brings him happiness, and Evil if it doesn't. Submit to what is, whether it be good or ill, and be freed from your struggles of vanity.

[Anonymous No.14235519]

>>14235351
Instead of trying to outplay my linguistic maneuvers, you should try and read what I wrote again as though it is not complex but is instead simple. The bulk of my post addresses this question directly. Let me try to explain it in a different way.

God is uncreated. God exists by his own will. By his will, all else is created. Therefore, all that is created is inherently conformed to God's will. If something exists, it does not exist by its own will, but only by God's will. Therefore, if creation were subject to only God's will, there could be no disunity or discord between what was created by him. All created things would exist in perfect order, for all created things would be created by the same creator who has a singular will and is the only creator. In the order of creation, God has willed that some things are created out of and through other things. For example, molecules are built out of atoms. The associating and dissociating of chemicals produces certain effects which in turn are new creations. As much as it could be that these beings have some sense of will, at no point can they ever will anything other than God's will. They obey all the rules God imposes on them and never behave in any way which God does not will. If something had a free will, it could either participate in God's will, or it could disobey God's will. If it followed God's will, no difference would be seen in the order of creation than if it lacked free will; however, simply by having the freedom to disobey, the free will could be changed from merely a participant to a co-author. Whatever God willed through that being, that being would, by inherent matter of its choice, be willing it also. So as much as all creation is good and in harmony and all things which receive being from God receive that being gladly (by nature), that which has a free will would receive even more gladly and therefore be given even more than mere presence. However, in order for this choice to exist it must be a real choice; this would mean that a being with free will could disobey. To the extent that a being disobeyed God's will, whatever else that being interacted with would be brought out of perfect order.

You see evil through the eyes of man, making yourself the judge of what is good and evil. However, God--as the creator of all things--can be the only measure of good and evil. Evil is nothing more than the disruption of the perfect order.

[Anonymous No.14236016]

>>14235519
Nice one lad.
>>14235351
I'll just say: there is no evil, only ignorance. Read Plato.

[Anonymous No.14236026]

>>14234907
I really do. How fucking brain dead are people who use social media? I pity these poor biobots- caught in the vice of materiality. Literally no better than a vessel, not even a good one at that. More vegetable than animal.

[Anonymous No.14236054]

>>14234907
Holy shit, I actually just felt a twinge of pity for this whore. She's so genuinely consumed by modern brainwashing she really doesn't see how marriage is designed to benefit and protect her, not men, and that she will almost certainly grow old, angry, and bitter without ever realizing why. In fact she will probably blame normative members of society for her woes, which are biological, and actually double down on defending the very degeneracy that will ruin her life and leave her aged and alone.

[Anonymous No.14236063]

>>14235289
>I’m gonna love it once she hits the brick wall and nobody wants to fuck her anymore.
And what do you think happens then? She will go from being a leftist pawn to a leftist fanatic come the day when ideology is all she has left.

[Anonymous No.14236201]

>>14234907
>>14236054
Her's is honestly the perfect critique of third-fourth wave feminism and women's liberation taken to the extreme.

[Anonymous No.14236240]

>>14234907
>wanting to have sex at all

[Anonymous No.14236244]

>>14234907
Calvinism is, but the majority of Christians believe in free will, and a sort of hands-off God who intervenes from time to time, but never prevents people from making their own decisions.

[Anonymous No.14236260]

>>14235158
God is not here in the present predicting the future, but at all times and in all places, observing the event simultaneously. For us, the journey of time is linear and our choices matter, God merely observes the entire story at once.

[Anonymous No.14236291]

>>14235138
That picture needs one more "Bro" in it to be perfect

[Anonymous No.14236327]

The only reason people here LARP as Christians who want to settle down with one person is because its all they can hope for

[Anonymous No.14236393]

>>14236327
/thread

Incels are the neckbeards of the late-10's, and Christianity is essentially their new coping mechanism instead of atheism nowadays.

[Anonymous No.14236404]

I remember seeing some stats showing that women almost never cum during a one night stand, and that they cum far more often as the relationship gets more long term.
So why the fuck do they do it then?

[Anonymous No.14236494]

Institutionalized religion turned Christianity into a cope and that's where the whole fatalistic mindset comes form.

[Anonymous No.14236557]

>>14236404
Wether they know more effort equals more reward or not doesn't make the low effort option difficult.

[Anonymous No.14236988]

>>14235282
see >>14236901

[Anonymous No.14237500]

>>14234907
How bad at sex do you have to be if you can't keep it exciting with someone, over more than little while

[Anonymous No.14237664]

>>14236063
Real talk.
Women who dont have children of their own search for other ways to fill the void.
Instinct demands they care for something other than themselves, especually later in life. This can come out in unhealthy idelogical ways; the infantilization of minorities, climite change alarmism, or enflamitory activism for women and sodomites' position in society.
Some of them will just adopt cats.

[Anonymous No.14237675]

>>14236063
>>14237664
This. You should not celebrate or be gleeful at seeing people destroy themselves, no man is an island.

[Anonymous No.14237678]

>>14236327
>>14236393
Anybody who doesnt see the benefits of a stable, long term marriage has the future planning capabilities of a nigger, In the sub-saharan sense.

[Anonymous No.14237890]

>necessaryaf
>diva
A greasy looking harlot seeking validation for her inability to find a good life partner on twitter isn't the least bit surprising to me. She either has a very generic Bible verse or cashapp link in her bio.

[Anonymous No.14237928]

>>14236404
>implying women think of the long term vs the feeling of a strange mans affection and the romantic possibilty that this fuckboi will love and care for them after using their meat pocket as a toy to cum in

[Anonymous No.14238208]

>>14236404
women dont give fuck about cumming lol

[Anonymous No.14238241]

>>14234907
Women need their own waifuism.

[Anonymous No.14239226]

>stupid shit on Twitter
>Posted by some literally who
>Makes thread about it
Why do people do this?

[Anonymous No.14239560]

>>14234907

Catholicism IS Atheism, yes.

[Anonymous No.14239795]

>>14238208
What do they care about in sex?

[Anonymous No.14239859]

>>14234907
death is a pretty predetermined event, there's degrees to determinism you know