/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.14226561]

What are objectively the best books /lit/ ?

[Anonymous No.14226703]

BASED

[Anonymous No.14226716]

>>14226561
>putting ayn rand on the left and not on the right

that's the biggest fuck up on this

she's a hack for pseuds, and even worse for american pseuds, who are the worst pseuds of the bunch.

delete that and you've improved the image greatly.

[Anonymous No.14226718]

Hateful 8 is Tarantino's best film

[Anonymous No.14226726]

>>14226718
his entire oeuvre is for pseuds.

[Anonymous No.14226753]

>>14226726
>Kill bill is for psueds
>Django is for psueds

[Anonymous No.14226760]

>>14226561
All of L Ron Hubbard's works, but then seeing as this is a Hubbard board I guess everyone knows that already.

[Anonymous No.14226769]

>>14226753
imagine being unable to spell pseud then trying to use a retard image macro on the person you're talking to

[Anonymous No.14226777]

>>14226769
ESL , sorry i am used to languages with consistent spelling .

[Anonymous No.14226795]

>thinking edgy gothic post-punk is better than the jazzy nuanced Cowboy Bebop soundtrack

>thinking ANY David Lynch is better than ANY Tarantino

>thinking Leonardo Da Vinci is better than Mark Rothko in any way shape or form

>thinking Ayn Rand is better than Dan Brown

>thinking the pyramids are better than progressive, modern architecture

>thinking gay dresses are better than jeans

>thinking the sphinx could ever artistically beat the famous avant-garde Duchamp piece

It's not that we don't see a difference, it's that we do and art is objectively better than it ever has been.

[Anonymous No.14226816]

I mean the Da Vinci vs Mark Rothko thing really irks me.

If you don't think there are more nuances in, for instance, the campbell's Soup picture than in the Mona Lisa, please kill yourself. Andy Warhol famously spent an entire month making the Campbell's Soup picture, making sure that the photograph was rendered in the perfect way, with the cylindrical and circular circuitous lines rendered artistically in the closest possible approximation to his message.

[Anonymous No.14226835]

>>14226561
>pop music in the same tier as Mozart and Chopin
You can tell just from the first few images that whoever made this chart is a retard. Fucking lol, man.

[Anonymous No.14226836]

>>14226718
That would be between Jackie Brown and Once Upon a Time on Holywood

[Anonymous No.14226837]

>>14226795
>>thinking ANY David Lynch is better than ANY Tarantino
>thinking any tarantino is better than any david lynch

>>thinking Leonardo Da Vinci is better than Mark Rothko in any way shape or form
>thinking rothko is worth anything whatsoever

>>thinking Ayn Rand is better than Dan Brown
>actually caring enough to compare them instead of binning them both immediately

>>thinking the sphinx could ever artistically beat the famous avant-garde Duchamp piece
>unironically liking duchamp

[Anonymous No.14226864]

>>14226753
you literally listed his worst movies, which shows you are a pseud. Pulp is kino and Resevoir Dogs is kino. These are the facts of the case.
>>14226561
some of these are cringe but for the most part this is kinda a based image

[Anonymous No.14226876]

>>14226777
Trips and phoneticpilled

[Anonymous No.14226895]

>>14226777
Pseud comes from Greek and thus follows Greek spelling conventions. If you can't figure out how to spell it, it just means that you're dumb.

[Anonymous No.14226903]

>>14226816
I also had to struggle a lot with pushing that huge log out of my ass that was tickling my butthole all day long. Does that mean that I'm an artist now as well?

I hate people like you. You made something that was once a vehicle for beauty and humanity a vehicle for the dunghill that you call theory.

[Anonymous No.14226926]

>>14226726
Fair enough—that's why I only argued that it's his best, not that it's necessarily good.
>>14226753
>>14226836
>>14226864
Wrong! Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs and Jackie Brown and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood all have their merits but none are nearly as good. Psuedposter is the wrongest, though: Kill Bill was okay, and Django was a failed first stab at the perfection (in relation the rest of his oeuvre, at least) of Hateful 8.

[Anonymous No.14226943]

>>14226816
>Andy Warhol famously spent an entire month making the Campbell's Soup picture
Historians have varying opinions on the exact length of time, but Da Vinci worked on the Mona Lisa for between 4 and 13 years, and was ultimately not able to finish it because his hand became paralyzed. You are a literal retard.

[Anonymous No.14226955]

>>14226926
>>14226864
I meant that it's absurd to call Tarantino a pseud , kill bill and Django wether good or bad are definitely not pseudointellecual simply because they don't pretend to be intellectual in the first place

[Anonymous No.14226990]

>>14226955
>I meant that it's absurd to call Tarantino a pseud , kill bill and Django wether good or bad are definitely not pseudointellecual simply because they don't pretend to be intellectual in the first place
1. He's a pseud for making them.

2. People who treat his work as an artform are pseuds.

[Anonymous No.14227064]

>>14226561
Left: Disintegration and Songs of Love and Hate are good albums, but not exactly high art to be lumped in with all of the art music, classical sculptures and paintings on this section. The same goes for all the films on your list, especially the Elephant Man, which is mediocre much like Chelsea Girl (Desert Shore would be a better pick). Ayn Rand being there is just ridiculous.

Right: Video games are a particularly more "commercial" and "base" art form, but as far as they go, the Legend of Zelda is a great series. To Pimp a Butterfly is just okay, but not so much worse than the popular music on the left section, while Get Out and the Hateful Eight are good and more or less the same as the films on it. This will be a scorching take on this board but Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone is among the best English-language novels of all-time. There's nothing really wrong with any of the architecture, fashion or dance here except that you most likely arbitrarily find it to be "degenerate" or whatever, which also goes for Fountain. Everything else is just a utilitarian product or a weird DeviantArt fetish, both of which just serve a purpose to a niche. It depends on how loose your definition of art is to even start debating their functionality.

[Anonymous No.14227286]

>>14226955
>>14226990
Plebeian opinions

[Anonymous No.14227410]

>>14226561
Movies aren't art and especially not cringe reactionary exploitation pieces like Andrei Rublev or Dekalog.

[Anonymous No.14227464]

>>14226561
Why is a Vermeer painting on the "high art" column. That dude was a fraud.

[Anonymous No.14227546]

>>14226837
you're doing the lord's work anon

[Anonymous No.14227578]

if you think goodnight moon isn't high art i pity you

[Anonymous No.14227676]

>>14227464
>That dude was a fraud.
Why?

[Anonymous No.14227720]

>>14227064
I agree completely and you should get off this website while you can still write. There are other, healthier venues for arguing with idiots.

[Anonymous No.14227797]

>>14226990
his art is art as not art. A necessary understanding.

[Anonymous No.14227815]

>>14227720
>There are other, healthier venues for arguing with idiots.
But will they let me call people niggers and faggots?

[Anonymous No.14227818]

>>14227410
Griffith was a hack who reused sets and was an actual low iq retard. Read his interviews. He is 60 iq.

[Anonymous No.14228295]

Those albums by The Cure, Leonard Cohen, and Nico are kitsch. Let’s not delve ourselves. Hell, they’re not even particularly good kitsch

Also Duchamp was brilliant and his work is more than legitimate. No matter how many crappy imitators it’s spawned.

[Anonymous No.14228345]

>>14226561
>andrei rublev
based

[Anonymous No.14228352]

>>14226561
>Duchamp on the right
I'm literally shaking
>>14226795
It's called fountain dude

[Anonymous No.14228371]

>>14226561
Ayn Rand and "Damn bitch, you live like this?" are each on the wrong side.

[Anonymous No.14228414]

>>14227064
>This will be a scorching take on this board but Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone is among the best English-language novels of all-time.
You either have very poor standards or a rather poor opinion of the English language novel if that lobotomized succession of fantasy cliches appears to you as anything other than horrific.
>>14227720
Repeating a bunch of dull twitter options as if they’re thoughtful or nuanced is t particularly interesting or insightful. There are a number of of other platforms that will lavish you with whatever metrics of praise they offer for doing the same, and I suggest both of you go to one of them

[Anonymous No.14228435]

>>14226561
Whats left column, second row, third item? Seems like kino movie

[Anonymous No.14228457]

>>14228435
Ah yes, that's your mom's fat tits

[Anonymous No.14228486]

>>14226561
>he placed the fountain head along with the fine art.
I have never laughed as heartily as I have before. Thank you kind anon.

[Anonymous No.14228487]

>>14228414
You should form your own opinions rather than just think the opposite of whatever you perceive to be "dull Twitter opinions", whatever that is.

[Anonymous No.14228499]

>>14226795
>art is objectively better than it ever has been
How does it feel having a bunch of SHIT in place of a brain?

[Anonymous No.14228507]

>>14228487
>look at me I'm so level headeeed
pussyyyyy biiitchhhhhhhhh

[Anonymous No.14228521]

>>14226816
I'm pretty sure you were raped in an ear by a bbc and the bbc accidentally pierced your eardrum and penetrated in your brain

[Anonymous No.14228623]

>>14228507
Yes, I am level-headed. Your mockery doesn't change that.

[Anonymous No.14228631]

>>14228623
I see...

[Anonymous No.14228635]

>>14228457
Kino

[Anonymous No.14228665]

>>14226718
Yes

[Anonymous No.14228686]

>>14228457
>Ah yes, that's your mom's fat tits

[Anonymous No.14228815]

>>14226561
This is such a good picture, man I´m loving angry Tarantino fans all over this thread, luckily some of them are going to leave this place after this

[Anonymous No.14228855]

>>14228623
>your mockery
You’re a real patrician I’m sure. Do you see yourself as the modern embodiment of the renaissance man? I bet no one ever understood you as a child because of that swollen brain of yours.

[Anonymous No.14228937]

>>14228487
I do have my own. And it's that Tarantino flicks and Harry Potter (and the immense popularity both have accrued) are both the manifestations of cultures that have been thoroughly marinated in neoliberalism. They are orgiastic celebrations of consumerist culture, and everyone I know who was exposed to them at a young age seems to be aesthetically and emotionally stunted.

I didn't even disagree with everything you said, but none of it was interesting, and much of it (including the use of the term "scorching take") amounted to little more than derivative twitter one-liners.

[Anonymous No.14229002]

>>14226561
It's insane how much everyone likes kendrick lamar

[Anonymous No.14229132]

>>14229002
Well he does speak directly to people who have a lot of cultural capital today.

I'm not impressed by what he brings to the table, but that may just be my fault.

[Anonymous No.14229505]

>>14226795
I can smell you through my phone

[Anonymous No.14229552]

>>14228855
Pic related
>>14228937
I mostly agree with you, but for the record I never said that all Harry Potter media or Tarantino films are good and I also don't use any other social media, certainly not Twitter.

[Anonymous No.14230070]

Swap TPAB with fountainhead

[Anonymous No.14230113]

>>14230070
>TPAB

[Anonymous No.14230546]

>>14230070
Fountainhead is garbage I agree, but TPAB isn’t that much better. At least say GKMC you stupid nig nog.

[Anonymous No.14230886]

>>14226561
>nico
based taste

[Anonymous No.14230945]

>>14226795
This is the cringiest post I've ever seen on this board

[Anonymous No.14231139]

>Left
Boring
>Right
Fun

[Anonymous No.14231249]

>its my subjective opinion that decides the objective!

[Anonymous No.14231256]

>>14226561
That "post-modern" building is amazing. I don't get the hate boner you guys have with that kind of architecture. Cities have like 2-3 of those buildings max

[Anonymous No.14231262]

>>14226561
>most people would rather watch Game of Thrones than Elephant Man

How do explain that Mr Objectivity?

[Anonymous No.14231348]

>>14226561
Why didn’t you put Coltrane on the top left? You fucker

[Anonymous No.14232620]

>>14226561
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN_EUb0vMJs
It's obvious that art isn't subjective. Just how I know with the same amount of certainty that your taste is completely non-existent, and your chart is foppery.

[Anonymous No.14232669]

>>14226561
anyone got that art vs product screencap?

[Anonymous No.14232681]

>>14228623
t. cries when he gets angry

[Anonymous No.14232700]

>>14228435
Landscape in the Mist

[Anonymous No.14232939]

>>14232700
Thanks

[Anonymous No.14233013]

>>14228937
>16
One could also say your use of the terms "neoliberalism","orgiastic celebrations" and "consumerist culture" amount to little more than derivative /pol/ terminology, but that would be ignoring your actual message and focusing on your word choice.

>I didn't even disagree with everything you said, but none of it was interesting
I thought his points were well reasoned and level headed and agreed with most of them. Unless you've reached the point where the only arguments that engage you are the ones that read like a rabid person spitting at a screen, I see no reason to call his points uninteresting.

[Anonymous No.14233022]

>>14226561
Recommend me book on history of cinema

[Anonymous No.14233029]

>>14231256
It´s ugly

[Anonymous No.14233304]

>>14226561
>not posting the real version

[Anonymous No.14233313]

>>14233304
>Tolkien
Ooh sweetie, I'm sorry... did nobody told you you were retarded?

[Anonymous No.14233416]

>>14233304
>My Fair Lady
>Fucking Snow White and the Seven Dwarves

I thought the last list was bad but this one is even worse

[Anonymous No.14233542]

>>14226816
"Nuance" is an absolutely meaningless word. All you say here is that Warhol paid attention to the message of his work - which can be said of any classical painter. The true difference being, that the art of the former looks bad, and the latter good.

[Anonymous No.14233696]

>>14226561
What if I view art is subjective, but believe that most of the left column's works are subjectively better than the right's?

[Anonymous No.14233712]

>>14226716
This
>Ayn Rand on the left
>Goodnight Moon on the right

ok buddy

[Anonymous No.14234165]

Ayan Rand making anons seethe as always , rent free.

[Anonymous No.14234187]

Glad to see some recognition for Solaris. Is honestly a great book generally ignored in favor of the movie (the Tarkovsky one)

[Anonymous No.14234212]

>>14233304
It's Ok, that LoTR though, same stuff as The Beatles, it follows the western tradition and it has its moments but pop and corny as hell overall

[Anonymous No.14234228]

>>14226561
To be fair, Lehnard Cohen is a hack who can't sing and the Cowboy Bebob compilation album most certainly has musicians far more technically talented than him in every way.

I'll never understand why hipsters like bad vocalists so much.

[Anonymous No.14234277]

>>14226903
based

[Anonymous No.14234285]

>>14233416
You're a fucking retard if you don't acknowledge what an achievement in animation Snow White was. God I hate tryhards who act like all they like is shitty Russian films that's only innovation was quick cuts juxtaposing and changing the meaning of individual shots.

[Anonymous No.14234305]

>ayn rand on left
> duchamp and brutalism on right
OP is the bigger onions here

[Anonymous No.14234322]

>>14234228
>I'll never understand why hipsters like bad vocalists so much.

They're paying more attention to the lyrics.

[Anonymous No.14234338]

>>14234322
What retards. Lyrics are by far the least important part of music. I listen to a lot of instrumental and foreign music so I don't have to be constrained to somone elses narrative context. It only limits the musics application.

[Anonymous No.14234412]

>>14226561
I know this is bait but
>the Cure on the left and Zelda ost on the right
Fucking lol

[Anonymous No.14234444]

>>14234412
>Nintendo

[Anonymous No.14234703]

>>14234444
Based and checked , Fuck Nintendo.