Rate your national epic

[Anonymous No.14220034]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_epic

[Anonymous No.14220046]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesta_Danorum

6/10

[Anonymous No.14220049]

Polishposter here, mine is "Pan Tadeusz", it's shit tier literature definitely don't read

[Anonymous No.14220076]

10/10, I still have to write it though.

[Anonymous No.14220083]

I can only recall the lewd version of Waltzing Matilda but it is probably better that way

[Anonymous No.14220118]

>>14220034

Apparently it's "Van den vos Raeynaerde" (Middle Dutch translation: "Of Reynaert the Fox". Had to read the Middle Dutch version in high school which was kind of interesting. It doesn't seem exclusive to The Netherlands, though, and versions of it have circulated in France and Germany as well.

Description from Wikipedia:

"Satire about a fox who kills and bullies, and gets away with his deeds. The rest of society isn't much better. The nobility is being portrayed as lazy and often stupid. Clergymen are sexually active. The common population is often violent and cruel. Many women are sexually promiscuous and include prostitutes."

7/10 bretty gud

>>14220076
based

[Anonymous No.14220127]

Faust or Nibelungen
Only have read Faust part one back in school.
7/10 I think I would like it more now

[Anonymous No.14220250]

>>14220127
Nibelungenlied is a solid 9/10

[Anonymous No.14220276]

>>14220034
Poetic Edda is 10

[Anonymous No.14220325]

>>14220034
>australia
>two short patterson poems
They couldn’t put Robbery Under Arms or something there? Fucking hell.

[Anonymous No.14220328]

>>14220034
>Moby Dick
10/10

[Anonymous No.14220332]

>>14220325
Robbery Under Arms is prose but my point still stands.

[Anonymous No.14220345]

>>14220034
how the fuck is werther germany’s national epic lol

[Anonymous No.14220384]

>>14220345
There are no great German novels

[Anonymous No.14220388]

>>14220034
>The Tale of Igor's Campaign
it's alright

[Anonymous No.14220400]

>>14220049
Are you retarded? Pan Tadeusz is Polish at it's highest point. I don't understand how can anyone who is at least a little into Polish lit consider it "shittier". Go back to to wherever you came from, fucking pseud.

[Anonymous No.14220461]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cantos
Haven't read it yet but heard about pound alot
What's it actually about?

[Anonymous No.14220473]

>>14220461
The Cantos is unironically a national epic of Italy.

>>14220127
Nibelungenlied for old Germany
Faust for modern Germany

[Anonymous No.14220486]

Pretty bad
T. Dutch

[Anonymous No.14221215]

>>14220118
He cute

[Anonymous No.14221251]

Martín Fierro
11/10

[Anonymous No.14221273]

>>14220034
Romanian here. The closest thing we have to a national epic is unironically called the Gypsiad, and it's a shitty attempt at satire written in the 19th century.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.14221288]

>>14220384
Faust, duh

[Anonymous No.14221300]

>>14220034
Didn't even know there was one. Will read when I get the chance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamzanama

[Anonymous No.14221306]

>>14221288
>Play
>Novel

[Anonymous No.14221333]

>>14221288
We now know that butterfly has not read faust

[Anonymous No.14221348]

>>14221333
She has literally only read three books

[Anonymous No.14221726]

>>14221348
This

[Anonymous No.14222333]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daredevils_of_Sassoun

actually worth reading

[Anonymous No.14222358]

https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zal%C3%A1n_fut%C3%A1sa

It's k.

[Anonymous No.14222376]

>>14220118
>"Satire about a fox who kills and bullies, and gets away with his deeds. The rest of society isn't much better. The nobility is being portrayed as lazy and often stupid. Clergymen are sexually active. The common population is often violent and cruel. Many women are sexually promiscuous and include prostitutes."
What a privilege to have a satire as national epic, instead of some try-hard hero story.

[Anonymous No.14222894]

>His country’s national identity isn’t built around the national epic.
>He didn’t have to recite his national epic at school.
>His national epic wasn’t ripped off by Tolkien and Shakespeare (the stories in it are much older than the collection).

[Anonymous No.14222986]

>>14221348
Hahaha

[Anonymous No.14223078]

>>14220473
utter brainlet
Pound was the most american man to ever write, the Cantos are america's essence

[Anonymous No.14223100]

>>14220034
>Evangeline (arguably)
2/10.
Think it might be too late for Canada lmao

[Anonymous No.14223109]

>>14220049
>Based Tadeusz
>bad
faggot p*Sitivist detected

[Anonymous No.14223136]

>>14220049
>literal chad having bunch of fun for a day while the world changes

it's pure kino I say, but plebs are still bitter after high school

[Anonymous No.14223145]

>>14223100
>canada has been raped so bad that their only cultural landmark is arguably american in origin
Speaking of which, how the FUCK is gatsby a national epic

[Anonymous No.14223158]

>>14223145
cause it's the most american as it is not in public domain and therefore you must pay for it

[Anonymous No.14223382]

>>14223145
>Speaking of which, how the FUCK is gatsby a national epic

Catch-22 is a much better national classic.

[Anonymous No.14223428]

>>14223078
Absolutely wrong. You must be fucked up in the head to think that.

2/3 of The Cantos talk about Italy. The most beautiful and famous part is called the 'Pisan Cantos'. Two cantos are literally written in Italian. Pound himself became Italian. You're stupid if you think you can define 'america's essence' an oeuvre that talks so extensively about Italy just because the author had some typically american traits. Do you want to hear that Pound was a great american poet, you brainlet nationalist? Okay: Pound was a great american poet. But he doesn't speak about your country.

[Anonymous No.14223497]

>columbiad by joel barlow
it's brilliant

[Anonymous No.14223577]

>>14223428
I'm not american
Defining a "national epic" is always a very tricky sort of thing, and it usually comes about through decades upon decades of consensus or near-consensus. National epics aren't always strictly patriotic; consider that Beowulf doesn't mention England or the English, and probably predates that nation. The Cantos don't really have that cultural status for America, I wouldn't say it's America's national epic, but to try to claim that it's a more Italian work than an American one is plain absurd. Pound was absolutely ardent that he remained an American all his life, he would never try to claim any other nation. The cantos talk about Italy a lot because Pound lived there for a good 30 years or so. Pound sees America in everything: in the ancient Greeks, in medieval troubadours, in Chinese and Japanese poetry, and yes, in Italy, where he lived and worked. Those "typically american traits" give the work it's unique voice, Pound's Americanism gives the work it's spine, stylistically, (such as all the vernacular he uses) thematically (a vast amount of it is allegorical and directly applicable to America.
I'm not really going to defend the idea that the Cantos are America's national epic, but to say that Ezra Pound "doesn't speak about your country" is to miss the whole entire point of the work, and to focus on superficialities. Pound isn't Occitan, Greek, Japanese or Italian. He is American, because only an American could synthesize all these.

[Anonymous No.14223619]

Wilhelm Tell
Pretty good, it emphasises nation, individual skill and a rebellious spirit while dabbing on some uppity Austroshits in the process.

[Anonymous No.14223891]

>>14223497
The 4700 line version is good, but his revised version that's over 8000 lines is trash.
>>14220034
Leaves of Grass is fantastic. 9.5/10 at least.

[Anonymous No.14224145]

>>14223577
It's not that I disagree with your point, it's just that you're missing something. Pound did not remain an American all his life. Putting it in those words is extremely inaccurate. Pound *remained attached* to America, which is different. America represented his origins, his roots, his memory. It's a substratum of meaning that he never forgot. But his horizon, his destination was Europe – or a certain idea of it. Italy became that terra franca where he hoped to find the core of it all. It's not just the place where he randomly lived and worked; it's the Jerusalem he seeked for his entire life. In this sense, The Cantos is one of the most beautiful celebrations of Italy ever written, and as an Italian I will always be infinitely grateful for what Pound has done. Such a hymn could never have come from the pen of an Italian, because Italians are extremely critical of their land and history, and still divided into a lot of groups. The only thing that comes close to the idea of a national epic – despite not being patriotic in the slightest – is Horcynus Orca by Stefano D'Arrigo.

You say that Pound sees America in everything, but the other way around is also true, and you can't deny this. He came to Europe because Europe was already contained – in the form of an abstract image, as an essence – in his original America. He came to Italy because he saw Italy as the seed of everything – yes, of America too. His infinite passion towards Europe and especially Italy is what led him to die Italian. So yeah, from your point of view it may be dumb to define The Cantos an epic of Italy – and I'll give you that, since the claim was obviously exaggerated – but from my point of view it's also dumb to define The Cantos a national epic of America.

[Anonymous No.14225022]

>>14220034
waltzing matilda WALTZING MATILDA
you'll come a WALTZING MATDA WITH ME
and he sang as he watched AND WAITED TI HIS BILLY BOILED
YOU'LL CUM A WALTZING MATILDA WITH ME

[Anonymous No.14225035]

>>14221273
Miorita you absolute mong. 8/10

[Anonymous No.14225047]

>>14225022
You were mogged by Tom Waits

[Anonymous No.14225052]

>caramuru
It's good. I don't think it's on par with later entries in brazilian literature, but it's good

[Anonymous No.14225058]

>>14220118
Fucking cool, has no one adapted it yet? It looks like Verhoeven was born to do this

[Anonymous No.14225579]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantar_de_mio_Cid

Only seen the animated movie, 9/10 liked it

[Anonymous No.14226250]

>>14225058
That's a far cry from what a national epic ought to be anon.

[Anonymous No.14226256]

>>14226250
Meant for >>14225035

[Anonymous No.14226314]

We don't have an epic so I will give two poets for Australia(there is a third but we don't talk about him, and other than the third there are a few very good poets but none such as these):
>Henry Lawson
>Banjo Paterson

The only two literary masters we have. Very central to Australian identity as well and I think in the abstract light a path to the greater, patriotic, Australia of time to come. I feel sickness to think what it is now, and how any dammed hope of a future were dashed against the rocks by the approach of modernity and rich men and foolish peasants.

There were a friendly competition between these two men, Paterson Romanticised the bush and Lawson a more realistic but none the less -- or more so because of his realism -- idealistic portrayal. Australia never birthed the idea of her cultural identity(though some may think she did), and so the primeval drive of land and soil placed its seed in the "bush", the forest which was everywhere once, and a value of distance was set up before it could find the qualitative "whole" of the nation, leching onto this Australia now holds itself in contrast to the globalised(which is a particularly modern phenomenon) cities. Not that there's any much patriotic blood of this self understanding value in the country(bush) anyway. And because of all this I don't see much hope for Australia, it has no legs in which it may rest upon, no shared history of its peoples that is not charred by the image of modernity.

Other Australian figures(not poets) are Ned Kelly, Francis de Groot and Peter Lalor. Likely the three greatest Australian story's, that I know of anyhow. There are of course again, other story's such as Eric Campbell(The Australian Fascist paramilitary leader whom Groot belonged to, it's final effect was nearly leading to a revolt in the 30's causing the prime minister at the time to step down) or Henry Ross. But these three "heroes" of Australia have by far the greatest tales, with Groots being an albeit short but extraordinarily satisfactory one. Of all the men's names in this post, they are the greatest of Australia and it would be hard work to find few more.

[Anonymous No.14226324]

>>14226314
Or really I suppose for Australia, it's greatest hope it shall find in its common races of the Anglo-Cletic gene. That characterisque. From there only a culture of the German would be left desired.

[Anonymous No.14226332]

>>14226324
>*celtic

[Anonymous No.14226374]

>>14226314
>>14226324
In 2050 I'll write an autobiography and it'll work out as our epic

[Anonymous No.14226425]

>>14226374
What foot and meter?

[Anonymous No.14226445]

>>14226425
I tell you what, you can pick

[Anonymous No.14226454]

>>14226445
You have to use a colour oriented metophur in every sentence, so like "the orange orange" etc.

[Anonymous No.14226484]

>>14226454
"And with that anon's text reaching out from the blue void, he gained the very method through which the experiences of his life would be filtered into words"

[Anonymous No.14226530]

>>14226484
I like it, this could be big anon. I think there's definitely some aesthetic potential in me being anonymous. Like a poetic consciousness.

[Anonymous No.14226687]

> marko kraljevic poems
its pretty good
i would suggest it to be the song buna protiv dahija

[Anonymous No.14227373]

America:
Art of the Deal

10/10

[Anonymous No.14227383]

>>14220034
>Leaves of Grass
Pretty good.

[Anonymous No.14227536]

>>14220034
>Baptism at the Savica
Nobody here has heard of it, but christfags here would love it. It would make pagan LARPerd seethe hard though

[Anonymous No.14227563]

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heimskringla
Some parts are 7+/10, but most of it is a dry 4/10.

[Anonymous No.14227858]

Our is this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_the_Yoke

>Mary New-burger has described the novel as...
Literally who? Why is this even added to the page?

Honestly, I'm thinking of deleting it.

[Anonymous No.14227874]

>>14227858
Kek

[Anonymous No.14228079]

>>14220034
Whoa they let Ezra stay on the list. 10/10

[Anonymous No.14228688]

Iliad and odyssey, I guess 10/10? Just because it's considered a classic. I personally have not read it, how retarded should I be considered anons?

[Anonymous No.14230072]

>>14220034
who wrote that fucking list lmao

budenbrooks is in no fucking way a "national epic" and just a ripoff of tolstoy anyway

Till Eulenspiegel should be in there instead

[Anonymous No.14230136]

>>14220384
this is unironically the best novel and the best written piece ever you plebian

[Anonymous No.14231083]

>>14230136
>Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.14231105]

>>14231083
t. seething pseud/christcuck

[Anonymous No.14232160]

>>14227373
Based

[Anonymous No.14232249]

>>14230136
but that's not nibelungenlied

[Anonymous No.14232272]

>>14220034
>The Man from Snowy River by Banjo Patterson
>Waltzing Matilda by Banjo Patterson

I'm ashamed

[Anonymous No.14232296]

>>14228688
Very retarded because you posted this.

[Anonymous No.14232297]

>>14228688
Yeah you're fucking retarded. The only thing that comes close to the Iliad in power is Paradise Lost and that wouldn't even exist without "Homer"

[Anonymous No.14232303]

>>14232249
Based.

There's also Faust.

>>14231105
Wagner forever btfo'd Neetchuh.

[Anonymous No.14232315]

>>14232272
They're two great pieces but I agree they aren't worthy of being epics.

I'd recommend you look into William Blocksidge, he isn't too well known.

[Anonymous No.14232319]

>>14232303
Faust part 2 is a mess.
I'll take Siegfried and his magic cloak any day

[Anonymous No.14232328]

>>14232319
You also forgot about Wolfram's Parzival, one of the three or four medieval masterpieces.

And Faust II, a mess? It's literally the greatest piece of literature ever created. I understand it's complex but how could one mistake it for being a mess? Yeesh.

And have you read the Icelandic Volsungs Saga also?

[Anonymous No.14232368]

>>14232315
>William Blocksidge
lol I'm the anon that's currently writing my thesis on him, among other things, and I can tell you from having read much of his works (reading Anzac Muster right now) that he was a genuine talent who ruined his own writing by being so painfully didactic. The only thing of his that I would defend as good literature is Life's Testament. Everything else is mediocre, if not appallingly bad. His eugenic poetry in Vital Flesh (Political Verse--Sex and Its Issues) is some of the most disgusting writing I've ever encountered. What of his have you read and what convinces you of his worth?

[Anonymous No.14232377]

>>14232272
yeah I too was "devo gutted"

[Anonymous No.14232405]

>>14220034
BEOWULF

[Anonymous No.14232411]

>>14232368
Life's Testament and the New Life. I'd say he's a good poet, just perhaps not the best.

And what's the thesis about?

[Anonymous No.14232420]

>>14232377
>>14232315
I've fixed the Australian section

>>14232411
I'd tell you but I don't want to doxx myself just in case.

[Anonymous No.14232431]

>>14232411
But as an aside, can I ask how you discovered him?

[Anonymous No.14232435]

>>14232420
thanks wiki bro

[Anonymous No.14232447]

>>14232420
>I've fixed the Australian section
Captain Quiros? Never heard of it. Qrd?

>I'd tell you but I don't want to doxx myself just in case.
Fair enough, but could you give me just the slightest insight?

>>14232431
>But as an aside, can I ask how you discovered him?
Was trying to find an old post I made looking through the /lit/ archives and searched for pics named "Ned Kelly.jpg" and found an old pic calling him(Ned) the Australian Ubermensch, clicked on the thread and it was about this guy. The thread was something along the lines of "He hasn't read the Australian Nietzsche".

What about you?

[Anonymous No.14232451]

>>14220049
Słowacki ssał wacki

[Anonymous No.14232459]

>>14225022
Dumb thing I thought as a kid:
The jolly swagman was a cannibal who was found by police while boiling a boy named Billy.

[Anonymous No.14232476]

>>14225022
Waltzing matilda who fuckin killed her? Lying in the grass with a dagger in her arse. The birds or the bees or the naked aborigines? Who'll come a waltzing matilda with me?

[Anonymous No.14232480]

>>14232319
>Faust part 2 is a mess
Way to oust yourself as not having read enough Greeks

[Anonymous No.14232511]

>>14232297
Well fuck me, now I have to read it

[Anonymous No.14232542]

>>14232447
>the slightest insight
basically I'm trying to explain how an author largely isolated from the fascist milieu in europe was able to arrive at such similar conclusions in his creative and philosophical works

>>14232447
>He hasn't read the Australian Nietzsche
that was my shitpost lol

[Anonymous No.14232545]

>>14232447
Oh and Captain Quiros. It's about a Spanish explorer in I don't remember what country, and it's basically about the weight and burden of living in the modern era, broken off from a wonderful past that at the same time we can't help but be disgusted at

[Anonymous No.14232550]

>>14220034
>Greece
10/10
Get fucked anyone else (except my Italian bros)

[Anonymous No.14232552]

>>14232542
>basically I'm trying to explain how an author largely isolated from the fascist milieu in europe was able to arrive at such similar conclusions in his creative and philosophical works
But didn't he actually show sympathies for them? I can't remember where I read it but I remember that he apparently was quite favourable to Mussolini.

>that was my shitpost lol
Kek, so we're pretty much the only ones that know about him on this board ey. It feels exclusive.

[Anonymous No.14232555]

>>14232545
Why be disgusted at the past?

But still, sounds interesting. Is it really good enough to be considered our epic though. Will buy it along with a few other Australian books ne

[Anonymous No.14232562]

>>14232552
He did definitely, and was definitely aware of the fascistic authors (he loved D'Annunzio, for example). But he was socially isolated from that milieu and was basically self-taught in fascist ideas, and worked to figure out an Australian way forward on fascist lines.

>>14232552
>Kek, so we're pretty much the only ones that know about him on this board ey.
yup

>>14232555
>Why be disgusted at the past?
because it is nothing but an endless play of might is right, i'm disgusted by it, I wonder why you aren't?

[Anonymous No.14232594]

>>14232562
>He did definitely, and was definitely aware of the fascistic authors (he loved D'Annunzio, for example). But he was socially isolated from that milieu and was basically self-taught in fascist ideas, and worked to figure out an Australian way forward on fascist lines.
Did he happen to have any relation to the New Guard? Francis de Groot is a great story which I'm sure you're aware of.

>yup
I am now a niche bigbrain.

>because it is nothing but an endless play of might is right, i'm disgusted by it, I wonder why you aren't?

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[Anonymous No.14232615]

Kalevala

[Anonymous No.14232635]

>>14220118
Why is it your national epic when the writer wasn't Dutch?

[Anonymous No.14232651]

>>14232594
>Did he happen to have any relation to the New Guard? Francis de Groot is a great story which I'm sure you're aware of.
No connection, but he was associated with the P.R. Stephensen's Australia-First Movement. Really the New Guard was more radical conservative than fascist proper (so more like Franco than Hitler).

[Anonymous No.14232658]

>>14232480
>>14232480
>reading Greeks
why would i care about the tales of ancient paedophiles

[Anonymous No.14232727]

>>14232651
True, but The New Gaurd is theg cosaesat sausatrsasa ever csame to sa fsasacisat movement.

[Anonymous No.14232732]

>>14232658
>he hinksa the rteeksa were psaedophiesa

[Anonymous No.14233065]

>>14220034
England
>Beowulf
Sweden
>none
We have to do something about those fucking anglos!

[Anonymous No.14233302]

>>14221251
Facundo is better, fag

[Anonymous No.14233324]

>>14228688
From what I understand ancient greek and modern greek are still very similar, you could read it in it's original after maybe a few months of lessons
Fuck you for not taking advantage of that 2bh

[Anonymous No.14233336]

>>14233065
>the product of british minds is actually Swedish because the guy in the story goes to Sweden for a bit
Yeah, this post itself explains that "none" pretty well
Keep jacking off to cute photos of dudes in LARP gear though Sven, you fucking cuck

[Anonymous No.14233601]

Ramayana

>tfw your national epic is indian in origin and is also claimed by several other SEA shitholes

[Anonymous No.14233641]

>>14233336
>33336
faraway so close!

[Anonymous No.14234403]

>>14233336
Nah it's Swedish because it was created IN Sweden and is about Swedes. Britbongs just happened to write it down.
>https://www.svt.se/nyheter/vetenskap/beowulf-kan-vara-kalla-till-skandinaviens-tidiga-historia

[Anonymous No.14234415]

>>14220076
most based post written this year

[Anonymous No.14234431]

>>14220034
>Mahabharata
Probably the greatest piece of literature ever made. 8/10

[Anonymous No.14234489]

>Genji
>Musashi
I like the contrast between Genji, which is written by a woman about women drama for women, and Musashi which is written by a man about the exploits of a man for men
8/10.

[Anonymous No.14234773]

>Faust and Nibelungenlied
unironically the two things I had thought of first too
Both are amazing.

[Anonymous No.14235030]

>>14233324
>Iliad
I know anon, please don't hit me with it again

[Anonymous No.14236042]

>>14233601
based vajiravudh poster

[Anonymous No.14236759]

[Anonymous No.14238616]

>>14222894
Which country? I'm guessing European

[Anonymous No.14238665]

>>14223382
You can't be serious.

[Anonymous No.14239450]

I like it. It's got soul
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miorița