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1) How does Stephen go from being so austerely Catholic to specifically seeking not to participate in Easter duty?

2) How does he relate to the myth with Dedalus?

3) General discussion discussion thread about pic-related.

>> No.1421509

>mfw this is another homework thread

>> No.1421529
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>>1421509
It's not. I don't need a thesis or anything. I just read the book. It's my first take with Joyce. I'm just wondering. Fo' real, yo.

>> No.1421535

homework thread is obvious please kill yourself you catamite

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>>1421529
But it really isn't!

>> No.1421551

>>1421547
I meant >>1421535

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Man, there is neither trust nor actual discussion about literature on this board.

>> No.1421568

1.) he sees the nets and aims to fly past them

2.) read ulysses. stephen flies a away form dublin but is eventually forced to return because of his mother's death

>> No.1421576

>>1421558

quit bumping your hw thread OP

>> No.1421580

>>1421568
>he sees the nets
But with such vigor in his conviction, how is he able to see them?

>read ulysses. stephen flies
That book is about Stephen, too!? I thought it was a totally separate novel!

>> No.1421606

>>1421580
Stephen appears as a rather central character. He's in the first page

>> No.1421608

>>1421580
It is, but Joyce reuses some of the characters (Stephen being the most prominent). Several characters from Dubliners show up as well.

>> No.1421612

>>1421580

it's mostly about leopold bloom, a new character, but stephen is featured prominently as are many other characters from portrait and dubliners.

read ulysses if you want to find out what happens to stephen

>> No.1421620

dedalus is "the great artificer father" i take that as his desire to be an artist. stephen is icarus. you remember what happened to icarus, right?

>> No.1421621

>>1421568
If Stephen's name is Dedalus because he "flew," he'd be called Stephen Icarus. You're thinking of the wrong character from the myth.

Try again.

>> No.1421638

>>1421580

he connects the clergy with the abuseive schoolmasters at clongowes with the his poverty with anti-intellectualism etc. remember the passage where he's having a conversation with the priest and the priest misunderstands him a bunch and stephen is wholly unimpressed with the dude? he just becomes disillusioned with the church. just as he's becoming disillusioned with irish society as a whole.

>> No.1421649

>>1421621

you're right, but in the novel he refers to the mythical dedalus as "old father, old artificer"

>> No.1421673

>>1421649
I don't know the context of that quote. Was Stephen calling the mythical Dedalus his (metaphorical) father, or was Stephen calling himself (metaphorically) an old father/artificer?

>> No.1421697

>>1421673

in chapter 4:

>Stephanos Dedalos! Bous Stephanoumenos! Bous Stephaneforos!
...
>Now, at the name of the fabulous artificer, he seemed to hear the noise of dim waves and to see a winged form flying above the waves and slowly climbing the air. What did it mean?
...
>His soul had arisen from the grave of boyhood, spurning her grave-clothes. Yes! Yes! Yes! He would create proudly out of the freedom and power of his soul, as the great artificer whose name he bore, a living thing, new and soaring and beautiful, impalpable, imperishable.

and then, the final line of the book, just before he is to fly away to the continent.

>April 27. Old father, old artificer, stand me now and ever in good stead.

>> No.1421718

good book.

>> No.1421747

stephen likens himself to daedalus's son throughout (i.e. icarus). daedalus was an artificer, a craftsman. he shares a name with him and stephen wants to be just that. at the end of the book it is heavily implied that he is going to leave ireland. this puts him in the position to do as icarus did and fall terribly (which he does, but that is only explained in ulysses)

>> No.1421757

>>1421697
Huh. I guess Stephen could be read as being both father/son. Someone explained to me once that Joyce had this obsession with the artist giving birth to himself continually (I forget the argument exactly, but the thesis was something to that effect), so that would make sense.

I think the fact that Stephen's last name is Greek (which is pretty flagrantly on display in the first quote) is also supposed to be significant somehow, beyond signifying the myth. Maybe just that he's alienated from Irish nationalism etc. etc.

Damn, I need to read that book again.

>> No.1421805

>>1421757
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