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Is it possible to be against individualism and collectivism as a means of analyzing people? Is it possible to support the notion of, say, a collectivist society where the collectives people fulfill are understood to only be a small part of who they are?

>> No.14208479

>>14208451
>It's clear, that a social group consisting of crippled individuals, cannot form a healthy and viable institution in the long run; Only a society that is able of retaining its inner cohesion and collective values while simoultaneously granting its individual members the maximum of possible freedom is going to be able to last.
C.G. Jung in "Typologie"

>> No.14208492

>>14208479
Nice, thanks for sharing this. Jung is based

>> No.14208513

>>14208451
The middle-ground is an entirely normal position save some dogmatic people on either end, and I don't mean that with any centrist implications.

>> No.14209611

>>14208513
Thanks for saying that. It’s a new perspective for me since I’ve only seen people posit individualism and collectivism against each other. It feels like either can work as long as people are understood to be greater than either concept, but I don’t know anyone else who expresses that. Bergson’s philosophy seems like it’s trying to get people to that conclusion, but that’s just a guess

>> No.14210499

>>14208451
Henry Bergson is a good guy, sadly the stuff he mentioned didn't have that much influence untill recently. I only read his paper on Time and Free Will.

Regarding is philosophy >>14209611, your idea on his disinterested stance towards the individual and the collective might be right.

Sad how philosophy shifted away from concepts such as time and gave it to the retards at STEM.

>> No.14211638

>>14210499
I could be wrong, but across various academic environments I’ve seen more people in the humanities interested on unscientific concepts bordering on mystical. If someone were to pick up from where Bergson left on time, I think there would be interest

>> No.14211662

>>14208451
It's called pragmatism, yes

>> No.14211682

>>14208451
Basically read Roberto Unger.
Knowledge And Politics
The Self Awakened
Religion Of The Future

Any of these go into pragmatism and doing exactly what you are saying

>> No.14211699

>>14211682
Thanks, do you have any objections to this school of thought?