"You'll not only lose your mind, but you'll lose your soul" | Christopher Lee on the occult

[Anonymous No.14206165]

Why was he so afraid of reading about The Occult/Black Magic? Why did he feel the need to warn these students?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRVQD4FKPrY

>"NEVER! NEVER! NEVER!"

Also...subtle Black Magic recommendation thread :)

[Anonymous No.14206237]

>>14206165
vk Jehannum seems to have some decent stuff.

[Anonymous No.14206251]

>>14206165
He had strange rumours about keeping occult books in his library so he was clarifying

[Anonymous No.14206510]

>>14206165
because he was based and recognized the latent evil in those writings

[Anonymous No.14206683]

>>14206165
>he thinks the soul exists ab initio as orthodox christianity teaches
>he doesn't realize it has to be brought into existence by a process of guided self-observation
pretty embarrassing tbpfwy

[Anonymous No.14206685]

>>14206165
He was just rapping.

[Anonymous No.14206730]

>>14206683
Practical books on this?

[Anonymous No.14206738]

>>14206683
What religion is this?

[Anonymous No.14206768]

>>14206165
He knew shit.

[Anonymous No.14206798]

>>14206730
>>14206738
Gurdjieff teachings. The best starting point is a very readable book by his student Ouspensky called In Search of the Miraculous. Half of it is batshit crazy but the other half makes a ton of sense, about attention, self-remembering, and going through life in a state of sleep. Also, the Reality of Being by Jeanne de Salzmann

Those lines are from Monty Python's Meaning of Life, and they were almost definitely written by Cleese, who is a proponent of the works of Maurice Nicoll, another student of Gurdjieff.

[Anonymous No.14206809]

>>14206798
Ah, I've actually heard of him. I read about him a bit, he's very odd. I meant to read him but I forgot. Thanks for jogging my memory

[Anonymous No.14206872]

>>14206237
He's pretty cringe imo.

[Anonymous No.14206921]

>>14206165
I haven't personally read too deep into the occult. I started with following this guide.

The books that I've read personally are;
Prometheus Rising by Wilson
Info Psychology by Leary
Principia Discordia by Thornley
Undoing Yourself by Hyatt
Abrahadabra by Orpheus
Analects by Confucius
Dammapada by Buddha
Yoga Sutras by Patanjali
Bhagavad Gita by Krishnu

Those aren't really directly related t the occolt though. They're in the same vain but Abrahadabra was the closest to the real thing.

The books I've heard about but never read are;
The Upanishads
The Hermetica
Three Initiates - Kybalion
Agrippa - Three Books of Occult Philosophy
Crowley - Gems From The Equinox
Regardie - Complete Golden Dawn System Of Magic
Duquette - Handbooks Of Rituals Of Thelma
Alli - Angel Tech
Carrol - Condenced Chaos

[Anonymous No.14206944]

>>14206921
cringe chart desu

[Anonymous No.14206975]

>>14206944
Well, what books would you recommend?

[Anonymous No.14207030]

>>14206975
my diary desu

The only good authors offering somewhat valuable insight in this chart are Jung, Reich, Nietzsche, Huxley and Leary

I wouldn't bother reading Joyce, Eco, Eliot, Wilson

Crowley, Steiner, Hill/Thornley (Principia Discordia) and Blavatsky are literal retards

honestly you just gotta accept synchronicities are real, try to roll with them and make your own discoveries and conclusions from there. this might sound retarded but it's too abstract to be taught in a meaningful way with our current language

[Anonymous No.14207035]

>>14207030
and dont bother reading secondary literature about anything

[Anonymous No.14207038]

>>14206798
Wow havent seen gurdjieff on here in forever

[a_poor_sinner !!eiHxl4pZe1i No.14207066]

>>14206165
>Why did he feel the need to warn these students?
Because they are students. They want knowledge. And some kinds of knowledge are very ill-advised to pursue.

[Anonymous No.14207364]

>>14207066
What is to be feared in Black Magic?

[Anonymous No.14207587]

>>14206165
>Why would Saruman warn students about black magic?
You need to rewatch those films.

[Anonymous No.14207615]

[Anonymous No.14208925]

because he probably knows some fucked up magicians closer than he wants them to be and the thought of it haunts him

[Anonymous No.14208936]

>>14207615
i miss /fringe/

[Anonymous No.14208948]

>>14206165
He was based

[Anonymous No.14209200]

>>14207615
Well Im curious.

[Anonymous No.14209679]

>>14207615
The Kybalion is new age garbage I have no clue why people keep recommending that shit.

In my opinion the best part of the occult, the enlightenment aspect, can be found more reliably in mystical traditions of major religions. I would be willing to bet someone who deeply studies Eastern Orthodox mysticism, who works under a Vedic or Vajryana Buddhist teacher, or practices Sufism seriously will make greater spiritual gains and reach enlightened states far more quickly and wholly than a burned out Thelemite engaging in low level sex magic (read; oral sex with candles and robes) or a Satanist obsessed with Will to Power but unable to pay his rent.

https://youtu.be/soTcHACX760

A starting point.

[Anonymous No.14209729]

>>14206798
based

[Anonymous No.14209789]

>>14209679
>>14207615
>>14206921

In fact this just popped up as well
http://www.nickfarrell.it/kybalion/

[Anonymous No.14210695]

>>14206683
No, what's embarassing is the idea that you can create an eternal principle of the self by material means. The soul is given by God, and it's the only part of you that's eternal.

>>14207030
>Nietzsche
retard

>>14207364
identification with, and eventual enslavement by, the ego-self
Black Magic is about indulgement, and indulgement always goes hand in hand with enslavement.

[Anonymous No.14210702]

occultism is literally gay

[Anonymous No.14210853]

>>14210702
shouldnt you be able to tell us all its secrets then?

[Anonymous No.14210867]

>>14207615
>1. The Kybalion
stopped reading

[Anonymous No.14211210]

>>14210695
>The soul is given by God, and it's the only part of you that's eternal.
Nothing is eternal. Even God is mortal.

[Anonymous No.14211265]

>>14210695
>indulgement

[Anonymous No.14211420]

A few months ago someone linked a website with a few hermitic texts, and like an idiot I read half of one then forgot to save the bookmark
The text in question was about a vision a man had where he sees everything as earth and water combined, then a light shines down into it iirc.
Also, this may not have been on the same website but another was about how man came to earth and dominated each planet on the way, taking their power for their own. Does anyone know what I'm talking about?

[Anonymous No.14211467]

>reads about the occult
>claims it to be harmful
>still lives to be 100
Not a great deterrent there

[The final nail No.14211807]

>>14211420
I don't know but I just finished the 48hs podcast of The Modern Hermeticist on youtube. Its full of stories and referencial texts.
It's was really a personal discovery of the year

[Anonymous No.14211880]

>>14206683
>process philosophy
RETROACTIVELY DEBUNKED

[Anonymous No.14212572]

>>14207364
Turning into a trannie with cheek plugs and tattooed eyebrows who thinks that whacking off to “sigils” literally makes your wishes comes true cuz Grant Morrison sez so.

[Anonymous No.14212650]

>>14206165
Unless he's alluding to actual murder, torture etc. being performed in secret, I have to assume he was just a superstitious goof.

[Anonymous No.14212699]

Old people are just crazy about that kind of thing. My grandma thinks there are gangs of Satanists wanding around doing evil things trying to trick people into joining them

[Anonymous No.14212740]

>>14212699

It's not satanists, but demons and demon influenced people. The people who peddle satan's lies are ignorant themselves and don't know the extent of their actions

[Anonymous No.14212793]

>>14206165
When you make deals with infernal entities a mortal does not have have the knowledge or insight to understand the true nature of the deal, or the full cost.

These entities fulfill their end of the bargain by manipulating the subtle realms where they reside. This is something YOU can learn to do, with practice, on your own.

It is like hiring a crooked contractor to repair your counters or build you a cabinet. He charges you way too much, and if he's a real fink he also initiates a frivolous lawsuit or files a false lien on your property. A big problem you my never fix. All for something you could have learned to do yourself. Which would have been much cheaper, and infinitely more rewarding. You could have even requested the aid of honest contractors (i.e. Christ, angels, saints, God) to make your work more effective and quicker.

"Occultism" in the western tradition generally refers to magic that involves dealing with entities found in Grimoires. That's what Lee is talking about here.

[Anonymous No.14214277]

>>14212793
>You could have even requested the aid of honest contractors (i.e. Christ, angels, saints, God) to make your work more effective and quicker.
based

[Anonymous No.14214742]

So really what's gnosticism exactly?

[Anonymous No.14214756]

>>14211210
>Nothing is eternal. Even God is mortal.
God is by definition eternal and unchanging, which means he can't die.
#rekt

[Anonymous No.14214760]

>>14212699
Your grandma is right tho.

[Anonymous No.14215026]

>>14214742
A transcendental philosophy that layers a new cosmology on top of orthodox Christianity. God (the Demiurge) is real and created the world, but he's a crazy asshole who only has power over his material creation. That's why it makes no sense and you suffer. Christ isn't his son, but the son of a greater power named Sofia who lives in a supernal realm outside of God's reach, named Babelo or whatever. Faith in Christ lets you escape God's malevolent power and the realm where he's trapped you. If you believe in this fanfic version of Christ you can go to your true spiritual home when you die. Also allowing souls to incarnate in the Demiurge's prison is bad so you shouldn't have sex for the purposes of procreation.

It's a heresy that crops up in some form from time to time. The Cathars were essentially Gnostics. Several prot cults fit the bill. As do modern New-Agers.

>>14214277
There's a major school of Occultism where instead of making a deal you command the demons in the name of Christ, angels, and so forth. In this case it's like forcing the crooked contractor to build your shelves at gunpoint. Or maybe with a court order. Analogies are imperfect but again you're dealing with a sinister being that has every reason to double cross you and hates what you're making him do. Will he do a good job? No. Will you still be fucked at the end? Non-zero chance. Could you still have learned to DIY, and in the end had a result you take satisfaction in? Yep.

[Anonymous No.14215042]

>>14215026
What the fuck
Thanks for the explanation

[Anonymous No.14215045]

>>14215026
>There's a major school of Occultism where instead of making a deal you command the demons in the name of Christ, angels, and so forth. In this case it's like forcing the crooked contractor to build your shelves at gunpoint. Or maybe with a court order. Analogies are imperfect but again you're dealing with a sinister being that has every reason to double cross you and hates what you're making him do. Will he do a good job? No. Will you still be fucked at the end? Non-zero chance. Could you still have learned to DIY, and in the end had a result you take satisfaction in? Yep.
Is the source of this info your personal experience?

[Anonymous No.14215049]

>>14215026
cool, cool, i can get down with that. way more appealing than standard christianity. can i get my fucc on before marriage?

[Anonymous No.14215083]

>>14215045
No, it's in several major works. I don't deal with lesser entities -at all-. If you think you need them for something you should reexamine your priorities.

As for "will they do a reluctant, shoddy job if you command them" modern occult writers say so.

>>14215049
Naw essentially you're supposed to live like an ascetic. This world is bad and you shouldn't become attached to it, etc. Again, it's a fanfic version of Christianity so it will share much of its moral attitudes, only in weirder forms.

[Anonymous No.14215091]

>>14214742
You have two options

1) Go learn what gnosticism actually is by studying it historically, as an actual phenomenon in the history of religions. Maybe start with Hans Jonas' classic book, The Gnostic Religion.

2) Listen to the cartoonish summary of some LARPing Discord faggot who edits "Morrowind CHIM theory" pages on a fan wiki. Spend the next 3 years of your life pinging between "Accelerationist" Discords, pseudo-gnostic Discords, and so on, all filled with retarded dilettantes with no self-awareness.

[Anonymous No.14215124]

>>14215091
I choose number 2, but thanks for the book recommendation

[Anonymous No.14215132]

>>14215091
>faggot who edits "Morrowind CHIM theory"

Uhh err well, I mean, what's really wrong with that?

[Anonymous No.14215718]

>>14211210
>>14214756
God is only immortal if he has people to praise him or fear him.