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I've never actually read any feminist literature yet I consider myself at least tacitly against feminism. What am I missing? No intellectual cowards who are afraid to engage with ideas they disagree need reply thank you.

>> No.14201582

>>14201576
Some of it is moderately interesting.

>> No.14201599

There is no way to defend protestant gender roles

>> No.14201615

>> 14201576
It would help if you put forward a position. What specifically are you against?

>> No.14201668

>>14201615
Honestly just want to know more so I can actually develop this. I think woman today is sick, in a way that I pity, they suffer from depression/BPD and all kinds of sexual pathologies, they almost have it as bad as the contemporary young men, and feminism isn't really doing anything to help that.

>> No.14201712

>>14201668
Okay, zoomer.
1. google about the suffrage movement across the western wold (not your country only, America wasn't the center of the world at the time)
2. ask yourself what women were doing when their brothers and husbands and fathers and sons went to fight at war and what did it change
3. google the cultural revolution of the late 50s/60s/early 70s (the whole world, yes)
Now ask yourself "what is third wave feminism?" and find about it.

>> No.14201750

>>14201668
All right, here’s a reading list to get started. Honestly, it sounds to me that you haven’t been around women. Sure, there’s some women who have pathologies but that’s any subset of a population. There aren’t uniquely afflicted.

More than reading, I’d suggest just talking to women and listening. That’ll probably give you a more firm bedrock to build a solid argument for or against feminism than building a philosophical position based on memes and straw men.

Basic:
Start with the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy about Feminism - https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminist-philosophy/

A Vindication on the Rights of Woman - Mary Wollstonecraft (First Wave)

On the Liberty/Subjection of Women - John Stuart Mill

The Second Sex - Simone de Beauvoir (second wave)

Gender Trouble: Feminism and the Subversion of Identity - Judith Butler (third wave)

Men Explain Things to Me - Rebecca Solnit (4th wave)

You’ll probably find the most to disagree with in the fourth wave since it’s developing currently.

>> No.14201755

>>14201576
>I've never actually read any feminist literature yet I consider myself at least tacitly against feminism.
why am i not surprised

>> No.14201759

>>14201750
2 of those writers supported pedophilia, why is gender/feminist theory and pedophilia so closely connected?

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>>14201755
I got bullied by too many people posting this face, though. How can you argue against it?

>> No.14201770

>>14201759
Begin with the Greeks

>> No.14201778

>>14201759
Which ones, fag?

>> No.14201795

>>14201778
Simone and butler

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>>14201795
And Mill was HORNED.

Wew, lad.

The only normal person in that list is Wollstonecraft.

I haven't heard about Solnit, but I know what to expect.

>> No.14201884

>>14201759
>why is gender/feminist theory and pedophilia so closely connected?
Because feminism is just code for satanism, and raping children is a core tenet of satanism.

(Just reading the Scriptures should clue you in - Eve, the Serpent, Christ's quote about the millstone - satanism is just the direct inversion of this.)

>> No.14201908

>>14201615
women

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>> No.14202054

>>14201759
>2 of those writers supported pedophilia

In what way? Is it "well, if someone's 15 and they have an older boyfriend" or is it full on "everyone should be able to fuck any 10 year old they want"?

>> No.14202151

>>14201576
>what am I missing?
Decent discussions on power dynamics and also the inspiration of some really good authors like Woolf and Angela Carter. Feminism is badly taught in schools IMO, since most people can barely define what it means outside of some vague notions of gender equality. I became much more interested and sympathetic towards it once I started doing my own research.

The Second Sex is a seminal text, but it’s not the gospel since it’s mostly just a lengthy catalogue of trying to dispel misogynistic notions that you’ve probably heard a million times before. Personally, I’d recommend Nina Power’s One Dimensional Woman as a good text to explain how feminism can go beyond the diluted SJW forms and actually be an interesting critical framework for examining modern society.

>> No.14202180

You can't win against biology with some female mental gymnastics. So almost all literature about feminism is useless garbage.