>The supposedly immaterial soul, we now know, can be bisected with a knife, altered by chemicals, started or stopped by electricity, and extinguished by a sharp blow or by insufficient oxygen.

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Anonymous Tue Nov 19 20:43:27 2019 No.14199842 [Reply] [Original]

>The supposedly immaterial soul, we now know, can be bisected with a knife, altered by chemicals, started or stopped by electricity, and extinguished by a sharp blow or by insufficient oxygen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 20:44:58 2019 No.14199852 >you can kill someone or give them brain damage Woah!

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 20:47:32 2019 No.14199872 >>14199842 >The supposedly immaterial radio signal, we now know, can be struck with a hammer, doused in acid, dropped from a great height, and extinguished by turning the radio off. Whoa

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 20:48:37 2019 No.14199882 Why does this guy make incels seethe?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 20:49:45 2019 No.14199886 >>14199882 He's a manwhore midwit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 20:49:58 2019 No.14199887 >>14199842 >After more than thirty years in neurosurgery, I feel confidant saying that we have no idea how consciousness arises or proceeds. -Dr. Henry Marsch, Do No Harm

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 20:50:24 2019 No.14199890 >>14199842 >this kills the mystic new ager thank g*d we have people like this now

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 20:50:51 2019 No.14199893 he's describing the heart and not what is meant by the soul

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 20:51:14 2019 No.14199896 >>14199842 >we now know >Implying the Greeks didn't know hitting someone in the head could kill them

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 20:51:54 2019 No.14199900 >>14199886 Then why is he more successful academically than you will ever be?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 20:52:32 2019 No.14199906 >>14199900 That has nothing to do with what I said. He's Jewish.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 20:54:09 2019 No.14199915 >>14199890 >brain damage never happened before current year

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 20:54:52 2019 No.14199922 >>14199842 wow what an absolute brainlet is this the power of academics?

Anonymous Tue Nov 19 20:58:22 2019 No.14199943

>>14199900
Being successful in a trash heap shithole world is an indictment. A bunch of tasteless, decadent and worthless socialites. The only thing possibly more pathetic is someone who is a member of the lower classes and looks up to this kind of person.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 21:00:05 2019 No.14199954 File: 968 KB, 1097x800, Screen Shot 2019-07-16 at 12.23.24 PM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14199842

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 21:00:55 2019 No.14199960 File: 428 KB, 680x797, chad gun.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14199842 Nihilism, materialism, and scientific empiricism will only lead to a road with a dead end.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 21:01:23 2019 No.14199964 >>14199943 based

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 21:02:03 2019 No.14199971 >>14199842 Brilliant in his field, an idiot when he decides that he is a philosopher and that words mean what we wants them to.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 21:02:07 2019 No.14199972 >>14199960 Getting shot by chad?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 21:02:15 2019 No.14199973 >>14199960 >empiricism contradicts materialism actually

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 21:03:10 2019 No.14199981 >>14199943 >i-it's not my fault im a failure!

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 21:06:32 2019 No.14199997 File: 154 KB, 720x882, joe-on-slash-tv-slash.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14199943 Damn! Why did you need to be so hard on >>14199882, >>14199900?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 21:07:20 2019 No.14200001 >>14199981 Dr Pinker! A man was mean to me on 4chan! You're so cool and smart I wish I was just like you.. I might be a loser too, but at least I can parasitically attach to your social status in hopes of winning arguments.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 21:12:05 2019 No.14200025 >>14200001 oof

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 21:14:40 2019 No.14200038 >>14199842 Very Jewy...

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 21:17:20 2019 No.14200054 >>14199842 ayo dis nigga doesn't even know the difference between a soul and a brain?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 21:23:18 2019 No.14200084 >>14200054 It's a hylic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 21:26:24 2019 No.14200093 >>14199842 Haven't we always been able to do these things with the brain though?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 21:27:01 2019 No.14200097 >>14199842 Pinker's an idiot

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 21:36:15 2019 No.14200143 >>14199872 The problem with this analogy is that radio signals have been shown to exist outside of the radio, and their sources can be discerned. No better analogy exists because the very thing you're arguing for, the immaterial, doesn't exist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 21:39:07 2019 No.14200160 >>14200143 It exists. It has to.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 21:40:48 2019 No.14200166 wait so isn't accepting the soul also denying IQ

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 21:42:45 2019 No.14200179 >>14200160 Wow ok, you convinced me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 21:43:28 2019 No.14200184 >>14200160 science btfo

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 21:43:49 2019 No.14200186 >>14200166 >wait so accepting the signal is also denying the transmitter used.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 22:20:22 2019 No.14200418 File: 95 KB, 1366x768, radio.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14199872 >I am not a number I am a free man!

Anonymous Tue Nov 19 22:23:51 2019 No.14200439

>>14200143
>the problem with this analogy is that it isn't an argument for the position it is trying to refute

I'll defer to Wheeler on this one: saying there is no soul (properly understood) is like stepping outside of your house and concluding that no one lives there

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 22:26:39 2019 No.14200464 File: 172 KB, 564x600, picturemessage_jlh2wqqz.22m.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14200439 i don't get it

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 22:27:14 2019 No.14200470 >>14199887 Bullshit. There is a scientific pathway of understanding, upon which progress is being made. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMrzdk_YnYY

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 22:34:02 2019 No.14200520 >>14200464 the "soul" is basically Internality, the seer that sees, etc. once understood, it's nonsense to deny it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 22:38:21 2019 No.14200550 >>14200520 ok that's fine but the problem is that when you die it is destroyed and all of the world is replaced with the back of your head forever.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 22:41:56 2019 No.14200577 >>14200520 No, that is the 'self', which we can posit is explained by physical phenomena. 'Soul' assumes some kind of ephemeral nature which is not specifically described nor indicated to exist in any way. You're begging the question.

Anonymous Tue Nov 19 23:07:19 2019 No.14200729

>>14200577
the soul as motive principle maybe, but generally what people mean by soul is the self and I promise it's what Pinker thinks he's refuting.

>>14200550
>forever

a billion years of oblivion is nothing to nothing. "I" am either here or I am not here to know I'm not here. subjective death is impossible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 19 23:09:45 2019 No.14200745 >>14200470 >TED oh nonono

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 00:47:29 2019 No.14201312 Imagine unironically not believing in a soul

Anonymous Wed Nov 20 00:52:53 2019 No.14201347

>>14200745
Yeah, they're little more than neoliberal agitprop these days, but there was a time when you got some apolitical scientific talks like this one. It's a relatively brief talk that demonstrates some of the progress we're making towards understanding consciousness as a physical phenomenon.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 01:00:40 2019 No.14201373 >>14201312 this

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 01:03:03 2019 No.14201383 >>14199842 The supposedly moral Steven Pinker, we now know, can be seen in a photo alongside Lawrence Krauss and none other than Jeffrey Epstein.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 01:06:32 2019 No.14201394 >>14199882 Completely the opposite, this guy is the incel prophet

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 01:08:06 2019 No.14201402 File: 611 KB, 1058x794, 543543333.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>14199842 If there is anything more gross than a materialist kike is a physic-chemical reductionist materialist kike who assists pedophiles.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 01:24:27 2019 No.14201452 >a rock in the head can kill you How is this guy popular in academic circles, I don't get it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 01:53:51 2019 No.14201557 >>14200143 The immaterial cannot be proven to exist or not exist, you fucking retard

Anonymous Wed Nov 20 02:02:59 2019 No.14201583
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>>14200143
>No better analogy exists because the very thing you're arguing for, the immaterial, doesn't exist
how silly!
>>14201557
>The immaterial cannot be proven to exist or not exist, you fucking retard
but that's where you're wrong, anon!

>The Syllogistic Arguments:
>1. AEE, Figure 2
>A All physical things are particulars
>E No universals are particulars
>E No universals are physical things
>2. Conversion of Conclusion: No physical things are universals
>3. EIO, Figure 2
>E No physical things are universals
>I Some concepts are universals
>O Some concepts are not physical things
>4. OAO, Figure 3
>O Some concepts are not physical things
>A All concepts are in the mind
>O Some (things) “in the mind” are not physical things
>5. Translated Conclusion: Some things in the mind are not physical
>6. OAO, Figure 3
>O Some things in the mind are not physical things
>A All things in the mind are part of the mind
>O Some part of the mind is not physical
>7. Translated Conclusion (Obversion): Some part of the mind is immaterial (where immaterial means the negation of what is material/physical)
>8. Materialism/Physicalism Thesis: E No part of the mind is immaterial
>9. Modern Square of Opposition: the contradiction of E (No S are P) propositions is an I proposition (Some S are P)
>10. Therefore, the I proposition (Some part of the mind is immaterial) refutes materialism/physicalism by way of counter-example.
>Q.E.D.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 02:03:07 2019 No.14201584 Katha upanishad answers this btw

Anonymous Wed Nov 20 02:36:43 2019 No.14201676

>>14200729
>"I"
We're talking about the "you" made up of your personality and memories, that's what dies, and is forgotten. That some other kids are born somewhere and calls themselves "I" is irrelevant to that you. Nothing is carried over through some immaterial means, and that's what most people would like to believe when they're talking about soul.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 02:45:17 2019 No.14201710 >b-but muh radio signals Kek i would like to watch you trying to tune others "souls" with your brain

Anonymous Wed Nov 20 02:47:28 2019 No.14201716

>>14199842
>We now know
Literally a current year argument to try and frame retardation as the latest cool thing brought to you by SCIENCE. As other anons have said, grug the caveman knew he could kill someone by hitting hard enough.
On the other hand, jew prime doesn't seem to understand what any philosopher meant.

Anonymous Wed Nov 20 03:05:25 2019 No.14201785
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>>14201583
All concepts themselves (thoughts) are physical things. Futhermore, what we imagine in those thoughts is always constrained by our observation of the physical. For example, we observe that we are mortal and non-omniscient, so we conceptualize anthropomorphic projections that are immortal (soul) and omniscient/omnipotent (god). We observe the physical, so we imagine that something could be non-physical. However, these notions simply don't describe anything concrete (they are negative claims), and are only defined by way of naive contrast to what we do observe. You can't even form a speculative theory about what 'immateriality' could be, since you literally can't say anything specific about it. It's a figment.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 03:11:07 2019 No.14201811 >>14201785 >All concepts themselves (thoughts) are physical things. It's time to accept that psychologism was btfo for all eternity.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 03:13:24 2019 No.14201819 >>14199842 this does nothing to dualism

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 03:25:53 2019 No.14201852 >>14201811 If abstraction is psychological (i.e. brain function), then psychologism is obviously correct. Specifically, the theory that all things are physical (including thoughts) is physicalism. Also, not an argument.

Anonymous Wed Nov 20 03:34:51 2019 No.14201880

>>14200143
> No better analogy exists because the very thing you're arguing for, the immaterial, doesn't exist.
That's wrong. Did radio signals come into being the moment we identified them, or were they always present?
So let me ask you; can you zoom in on hunger, to find its material components? Can you zoom in on colors, to find theirs?
I'm not referring to light particles, here. I'm referring to the color - which does not exist outside of being seen.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 03:35:48 2019 No.14201883 >>14199887 >confidant

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 03:39:14 2019 No.14201895 >>14200729 >a billion years of oblivion is nothing to nothing im gonna kill myself, then

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 03:44:01 2019 No.14201907 >>14199887 >Dr.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 03:45:05 2019 No.14201911 >>14199896 Specially if you're using a turtle as your projectile of choice.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 03:54:37 2019 No.14201938 >>14201911 >projectile pussy

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 03:57:05 2019 No.14201948 >>14201583 based and logic pilled materialists seethe at this

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 03:57:07 2019 No.14201949 >>14201880 Qualia don't exist. Refer to trope theory. 'Immaterial' is not a specific theory that is potentially testable and observable (like radio waves), it is a negative claim. The analogy is incoherent.

Anonymous Wed Nov 20 04:01:42 2019 No.14201960

>>14201949
Radio waves are testable and observable now. I would not be surprised if we could test various phenomena (such as experiences) with more advanced technology. However, before we can do that, limiting ourselves to this shitty stone-age tech and what it can do will only backfire in terms of studying consciousness or experiences.

The body is not its experiences, but the two are linked. Hunger is eternal (because it is shared by all hungry things across timespace), but the body is only temporarily hungry. This leads me to believe that the body has to align in a certain way to connect to hunger.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 04:10:13 2019 No.14201981 >>14201452 poster boy for presupposed status quo enforced conclusions.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 20 05:25:41 2019 No.14202145 >>14201394 no that would be houllebecq

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