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How is Kant not a crypto-Platonist? Aren't his categories basically the forms of all possible experience?

>> No.14199036

>>14198695
Who the fuck is Kant?

>> No.14199135
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14199135

>How is Aristotle not a crypto-Platonist? Aren't his categories basically the forms of all possible experience?

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>>14198695
He is, and what is wrong with what.

>>14199135
Yes, Aristotles was a continuation of platonism in many rgards, and was viewed as a minor platonist before his revival in the christian medieval thought (who nevertheless made some very interssting -and necessary - fruitions, such as thomism)

>> No.14199153

>>14198695
Plato devised a theory of forms that were independent of human existence. Notice how and why Kant differs from this

>> No.14199162

>>14198695
Experience predicates Forms.

>> No.14199177

>>14199153
The Forms are independent of human existence but human existence is not independent of Forms.

>> No.14199210

>>14199152
Platonism and Aristolianism differ on major issues. Aristotle and Plato's ideas were married in what is know as Neoplatonism I'm the early AD. Thomas only interpreted Aristotle for a new generation and using Christian theology.

>> No.14199223

Kant doesnt believe in cognitive access to a world independent of what is given by sense experience. Metaphysics for him is drawing the limit to what we can reason about legitimately, constituted by the possibilities given by the categories of the understanding. Plato and Kant may sound similar, but Kants great contribution was to change the very methodology of philosophy.

>> No.14199252

>>14199223
This

>> No.14199283

>>14199177
Somebody please explain this to me. I’ve read Plato and Kant’s Critique of Pure Reason but I still can’t get my mind around how the noumena can be entirely independent from phenomena.

>> No.14199376

>>14199223
So was Kant a BVDDHIST?

>> No.14199381

>>14199223
But what is given by sense experience is preemptively ''shaped'' in the image of those realities.

>> No.14199385

>>14199283
Which circle is in which circle

>> No.14199551

>>14199381
which realities? Im not sure how you are attributing Kant with a Platonist ontology desu.

>> No.14199708

>>14198695
He is, that was the point of Nietzsches Philosophy////

>> No.14199898

>>14199708
Was the point of Nietzsches philosophy to prove that Kant was a Platonist?

>> No.14199912

>>14199152
Yikes

>> No.14199939

>>14199223
>for the worse
Finish your sentences.

>> No.14199970

>>14199939
>muh external criticism of particular philosophy
grow up

>> No.14200043

>>14199970
Yikeseys

>> No.14200052

>>14198695
Yes, the categorical imperative is the precise form of a category mistake.

>> No.14200058

How is Hegel not a crypto-Platonist? Doesn't Spirit basically cover forms of all possible experience?

>> No.14200079

>>14200043
Child

>> No.14200083

How is Plato not a Platonist?

>> No.14200117

>>14199898
It was to prove that all Moral Realism is just Crypto-Christianity.

Christianity, Platonism, Confucianism, Kantism, Buddhism, etc. is all Christian Morality in disguise.

The only exceptions were Hedonistic Philosophy like Epicurianism, which he also criticised for different reasons..

>> No.14200136

>>14200117
>Christianity, Platonism, Confucianism, Kantism, Buddhism, etc. is all Christian Morality in disguise.

hahaha oh no no no no

>> No.14200144

>>14200136
Hahaha, oh yes yes yes.
t. Slave Moralist

>> No.14200150

>>14199210
Pretty sure Aristotle wasn’t that big in the anceint world. Thought Neoplatonism was kinda a mix between Roman stoicism and some lighter branches of Platonism

>>14198695
Either way, most western philosophers are platonic in some nature. You guys all know the quote about the west being a series of footnotes on platonand all.

However, the difference between the observation and unobservable world has been a thing since forever.

>> No.14200191

>>14198695
they're closer to aristotle's categories

>> No.14200217

>>14200117
I know what you mean by crypto-Christianity, but I like the idea of a perfidious Time traveling Jesuit going full Robby Rotten and placing crypto-Christianity all throughout the timeline and in different location, all the while rubbing his hands rather Semiticly with a devious grin.


Besides that, I could see stoicism and some other thought forms being epicurean in the abstract. Morality being a corilitive development of society to decrease overall suffering by regulating behavior. One could even see it as petty to die away with them since one cannot fully separate the society from the self.

>> No.14200229

>>14199898
Nietzsche is
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
in prose