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almost no criminal ever repent from its actions

>> No.14181509

because muh christian reflection on redemption

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>>14181500

>> No.14181523

Wow. What an incredible take you get from the book. Much enlightenment, teach us the way please!

>> No.14181850

>>14181500
I mean, he repented and got nothing odut of it. Heaven's not real and now he's going to spend the rest of his life in Siberia.

>> No.14181992

>>14181509
That's not what the book is about. Raskolnikov is cursed because he is just superior enough to recognize what it means to be superior, and he has to come to the realization that he is only marginally intelligent and will never be a truly great man. He breaks down and cries in the epilogue because he finally accepts his own mediocrity and embraces the common morality. He's basically the original "gifted kid" probably why hes so popular on /lit/.

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>>14181500
First off, kill yourself, you ESL bastard. Secondly, shut up.

>> No.14182048

I’ll take the bait.

Crime and Punishment blew me away, but it was a bit overlong in certain portions.

>> No.14182054

>>14181992
This is how I saw it too. I didn't think his great man theory was wrong as he worded it. He just wasn't a great man

>> No.14182159

>>14182054
It seemed like Raskolnikov was motivated by a sort of altruism as well. He genuinely wanted to make the world a better place but thought morality was limiting. He didn't account for the fact that Napoleon and Alexander were working for their own ends they didn't feel the need to justify what they did to some higher good. Raskolnikov couldn't reconcile his actions because they were so obviously not the actions of a hero for the greater good.

>> No.14182521

>>14181850
jack the stripper never regreted to a prostitute

>> No.14183437

>>14181850
>rest of his life
8 year sentence

the largest consequence from it was his mother dying

>> No.14183478

>>14181500
>almost no criminal ever repent from its actions
Thanks faggot.

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>>14181500
Kratz is literally the worst translation possible.

>> No.14183498

is this book hard to read? how long will it take for me to read it?
no troll answer plz

>> No.14183499

>>14183498
It's not difficult to read. As is always my suggestion, force yourself to read the first twenty pages. If you enjoy it, continue. If not, put it down for another time.

>> No.14183531

>>14183499
Already bought it to be shipped and too lazy to read a pdf online. Anything i should know before reading it? This will be my first book from him.

>> No.14183550

>>14183498
>>14183499
Ignore this guy. Read the first part then force yourself to read the second part. I read the first part then put it down for years. Some translations make Marmalodov's rant difficult to understand. I recommend P&V.

>> No.14183563

>>14183550
fugg, I bought the penguin classics one

>> No.14183576

Would not recommend to everyone but it is a masterpiece
I actually just finished it within the last hour, I knew there would be a thread on it as there always is.
I read it in 12 days and would have done so faster if I hadn’t wasted some time.
I have never related to a character so much.
Dostoevsky writes for those who suffer.
I have no reason to try to convince any brainlets as to why it is good but I will respond to this:
>he didn’t repent
when he begins his prison sentence, he is upset by his lack of repentance and only regrets his actions so far as he was unable to succeed in them.(any one who has ever failed in getting away with a crime knows this feel)
The rest of the epilogue obviously implies his repentance and his being rewarded with an actual future to look forward to. He finally gets along with the other prisoners, shows his love to Sonia, and starts reading the new testament (obvious allusion to dostoyevsky reading it in prison)

If this book does not impact you, if it does not give you deep hope for life and propel your hunt for truth and meaning, then either you are a normal who does experience great suffering, or you are an idiot, spiritually and intellectually.

>> No.14183579

>>14183576
normal who doesnt** experience great suffering

god greatly loves the ones he makes suffer

>> No.14183586

>>14183531
>>14183499 here. Ignore >>14183550.
P&V suck. Do not read it. Your version (McDuff, I think) should be fine.

Things to know? Since it seems you're new to literature, I'd say relax your mind, and let the book imprint itself onto you. Don't worry about getting every single meaning/reference/nuance from every single page. You can always reread books that matter to you. For now, just read it, enjoy it, and engage with the text when something in the book (say, Rodion's dreams) pulls on your mind.

personal pro tip from me for Russian books: always read the names out loud.

>> No.14183597

>>14183586
How's the Pasternak Slater translation from Oxford?

>> No.14183621

>>14182054

I think the thing that caused his suffering much more was the fact that stripped down he killed to get money and therefore his motives were base and that of an ordinary criminal.
The great men of his theory, never commited murder out of such base an low life motives.

>> No.14183737

>>14181500
Crime and Punishment is one of the greatest novels of all time. Dont make me give your retarded ass the lizaveta treatment.

>> No.14184036

Most first degree murderers are also mentally ill.

>> No.14184141

>>14183576
>thinking you are literally Raskolnikov

You are not wrong in believing it is a great novel. However you should realize you are not special just because you "get" one of the most widely read novels of all time, and your take involving "normals" is pure cringe. Most people believe they themselves suffer or at least have done so at some point in their lives. They also believe that they are in some way special or unique from the herd.

>> No.14184590

>>14181500
Prifory Petrovich (The Detective) is literally the greatest fictional character of all time.

>> No.14185979

>>14181500
He was not a criminal.

>> No.14186186

>5 Dosto threads active
Based, and truly redpilled

>> No.14186190

>>14181500
only the cucked one. true gangsters feel no regrets.

>> No.14186429

>>14181992
This is correct interpretation, except it's not entirely because he wasnt high iq enough. But yeah, he basically tried to ve Nietschzean übermensch, failed, and lapsed back into christian morality. I think Dosto didn't see his own work that way though

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>>14181500
I just reread this novel 14 years after I first read it. It is SO MUCH BETTER than I remember.

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>>14186529
>mfw I loved it the first time I read it when I was 14
>mfw I would probably be able to appreciate 100x more now
Damn I need to reread it.