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14180592 No.14180592 [Reply] [Original]

>the greatest philosopher of all time didn't start with the Greeks
What the fuck? Did lit lie to me?

>> No.14180598
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14180598

What do you mean? Taleb did start with the Greeks.

>> No.14180614

Plato said you should start with the Maths, not the Greeks, which means Wittgenstein did the right thing.

>> No.14180625

>>14180598
You missed a great opportunity to use a photo of Dr Phil instead of Taleb and I want you to know we're all disappointed in you.

>> No.14180661

>>14180592
As far as I know it was just Aristotle he had a disdain for.

>> No.14180713

>>14180614
I doubt a Greek of the time of the Greeks would say start with the Greeks

>> No.14180718
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14180718

>>14180598

>> No.14180724

>>14180592
>not the most overrated philosopher of all time
The number of Wittgensteinians grow smaller by the day

>> No.14180726

Guy was a BEAST
The orson welles of philosophy

>> No.14180751

>>14180592
How does this sound OP:

Write the next Tractatus, then you can ignore whatever you want. Do what he did. Stroll into Cambridge (or somewhere of similar pedigree) and convince on of today's preeminent philosophers is whatever area you like to take you on after a brief discussion. Change the game in one book afterwards.

Do this, and I swear, I will never tell you to start with the Greeks again.

>> No.14180984

>>14180598
Why the fuck do people post shit like this. I did smile, but still, why?

>> No.14181009

Except that Kant did studied the Greeks.

>> No.14181018

>>14180592
Frege started with the Greeks so your garbage bait is pointless, OP.

>> No.14181021

>>14180984
for the smiles

>> No.14181092

Give me 3 reasons to think Wittgenstein was important

>> No.14181101

>>14181092
Baby's first "philosopher who tried to destroy metaphysics and failed" basically.

>> No.14181123

>>14181101
Metaphysics was destroyed not by any philosopher but by worldly events, by the mid-late 19th century. Any later attempts to "revive" "metaphysics" is essentially alien to the traditional project of first philosophy from the early modern period and before

>> No.14181295

>>14181021
:)

>> No.14181310

>>14180726
Guy Debord?

>> No.14181331
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14181331

>>14181310
>Mwaaaah, the French! Champagne has always been celebrated for its excellence. There is a California champagne by Paul Masson, inspired by that same French excellence. It's fermented in the bottle, and like the best French champagnes, it's vintage-dated, so Paul Masson's superb...

>> No.14181332

>>14181101
This honestly. This is also why /lit/ pseuds like Nietzsche.

>> No.14181378

>>14181331
10/10 post

>> No.14181403

>>14180592
Adolf was superior

>> No.14181721

Is he worth reading or a meme?

>> No.14181750

>>14180592
It's almost as if not following the same well trod path like a scholastic dupe assists with originality.

>> No.14181758

>>14180726
Harsh words, he may have been a charlatan, but he was neither obese nor a lush as far as I know.

>> No.14182574

>>14180713
Obviously Plato started with the Greeks

>> No.14182594

>>14181101
eh desu kant was babby's first philosopher who tried to destroy metaphysics but witty was just sadder.

>> No.14182598

>>14180592
>greatest
>>14180592
>philosopher
how bourgeois

>> No.14182821

>>14181332
???
That doesn't make any sense as a take on Nietzsche. He wasn't out to destroy metaphysics. Metaphysics were hardly a concern, and for what little it held his attention, he fucking wrote metaphysics.

Yet another example of the fact that it's not that pseuds like Nietzsche, is that pseuds think pseuds like Nietzsche and say Nietzsche is for pseuds to distinguish themselves as non pseuds. You can tell by the fact that everyone who has shit to talk on Nietzsche has clearly not read him.

>> No.14182829

>>14182594
Kant explicitly states an intention of making a foundation for future metaphysics. You're fucking clueless

>> No.14183004

>>14182829
>the whole copr is against 'dogmatic metaphysics'

if you'd read it you'd realize that just means metaphysics. He just wanted to masturbate about the noumenal/phenonemal distinction. He even thought the transcendental deduction showed that he was right lmao.

>> No.14183032

>>14180598
I assumed he started with the Hadiths.

>> No.14183111

>>14180592
In 10 years, a /lit/izen will be acknowledged as a rising star philosopher. 50 years later, he'll universally recognized as the greatest philosopher to have ever lived. This friend of ours is starting with the greeks as you read my awnser

>> No.14183494

>>14183004
>He just wanted to masturbate about the noumenal/phenonemal distinction. He even thought the transcendental deduction showed that he was right lmao.

What'd you just try to look him up on wikipedia for the sake of this conversation? who the fuck are you trying to kid lol just stop

>> No.14183505

>>14183032
IMBECILE

>> No.14183522
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>>14182594
>tried to destroy metaphysics
>Kant

>> No.14183544

>>14180751
Cambridge Is probably the only place on earth who can take on a guy like Wittgenstein. He never attended classes (except for few Russell and Moore ones )
Or took exams. He just did what he fucking wanted, he never really approached philosophy from academic point of view.

Probably no one on earth can pull this again.

>> No.14183555

>>14183544
I know almost nothing about his philosophy but a fair bit about himself. Why is he revered so much? Saddler said others did what he did deeper prior to him.

>> No.14183583

>>14183555
Wittgenstein probably gave Saddler an existential crisis, that's why he doesn't like him that much. Wittgenstein said that all philosophical propositions are just nonsense even the ones he wrote himself, which of course Saddler or really any academic "philosopher" can't accept.

>> No.14183591

>>14183583
>another retard who only read the Wikipedia page of the Tractatus.

Man, I fucking hate how pseuds like you jump on the bandwagon, we are starting to have a Nietzsche situation over here.

>b-but MUH PHILOSOPHY IS JUST A SPIELE, WITTY SAID THAT THERE ARE NO GENUINE PHILOSOPHICAL PROBLEMS

Cool, now read what the second Wittgenstein says on the Philosophical Investigations you fucking pseud.

>> No.14183616

>>14182574
He actually started with the Egyptians desu.

>> No.14183620
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>>14180592
?

>> No.14183636

>>14183620
I worry for how many people believe this is real but it's still one of my favorite memes

>> No.14183643

>>14183111
I'm still at the Sumerians actually

>> No.14183649

>>14183636
those propositions aren't real??

>> No.14183652

>>14183636
some of them are actually real

>> No.14183675

>>14183591
I like early Wittgenstein more so fuck off.

>> No.14183688

>>14183675
As an outsider: what made Wittgenstein change his mind and why do you disagree with that?

>> No.14183712

>>14183688
he still use some ideas from his early philosophy. Latter Wittgenstein was influenced by Freud and wanted more practical approach like the language games.

I just started with philosophical investigation but I still like Tractatus more since it has this poetic, abstract and literature beauty to it, even if Wittgenstein thought that most of the ideas were wrong (the picture theory)

>> No.14183716

>>14183688
>what made Wittgenstein change his mind
some dude brought up a logical inconsistency concerning the perception of colors which left W no choice but to re-examine his philosophy.

>> No.14183773

>>14183643
Lol imagine ever thinking one is qualified to progress beyond cave paintings

>> No.14183788

>>14183773
>he doesn't start his wisdom with fossilized dino poo
Anon...

>> No.14183799

>>14180592
For me it’s Heidegger

>> No.14183929

>>14180592
important for the history of philosophy, but linguistic pragma(u)tism is kinda outdated

>> No.14184086

>>14183636
Fuck.

>> No.14184304

>>14183688
FP Ramsey btfo Wittgenstein a number of times

>If philosophy is nonsense, we must take it seriously that it is nonsense and not, as Mr Wittgenstein pretends, that it is very important nonsense

>> No.14184619
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>>14180592
Hitler BTFO'd him and all jews for the rest of eternity

>> No.14184667

>>14183688
>Wittgenstein was insisting that a proposition and that which it describes must have the same 'logical form', the same 'logical multiplicity'. Sraffa made a gesture, familiar to Neapolitans as meaning something like disgust or contempt, of brushing the underneath of his chin with an outward sweep of the finger-tips of one hand. And he asked: 'What is the logical form of that?'