An alternative to christianity

[Anonymous No.14171040]

Long post incoming please be respectful

You see the state of the world anon? You ever noticed the start of this shit? You ever read the bible? Well I have, I would like to educate you today. I would mark the downfall of europe when a widespread non european faith became the faith of europe.

Christianity what was once a jewish sect spread to Europe via the roman empire. It was a more peaceful form a Judaism that focused around a rabbi that claimed to be the messiah. His name was Jesus of Nazareth and he spread that he was the son of god and had been brought to this mortal realm to sprea d gods true teachings.

Now that you understand the base of the religion let me tell you what happened. The religion was spread to Europe where it got a head start as being the religion of the roman empire. It morphed with pagan values and became more violent. After this it was both peacefully and violently spread throughout Europe overtaking traditional european paganism.

From here on europe saw the dark ages and nothing but wars and strife it was almost like a curse brought to us from the land of the jews.

I promote european countries to re connect with their respective pagan religions and drop the failed judeo-christian values that were forced upon us.

Some misconceptions people get is that this is a new movement removing years of history.
Its not, its meerly a return religions that had been practiced for thousands of years. Next I promote all paganism not just norse paganism but also roman and hellenic along with slavic celtic and all others I am not a muh odin kind of a guy.


Lastly while we promote returning to the old ways we do not promote destruction of christianity. We understand its a vital part of our history and we would never remove it. We respect the religion highly but we honestly think the values have led europe astray.

We are not trying to larp but rather actually believe and return to the old way of things the new way clearly has not worked out.

[Anonymous No.14171049]

Please get off /lit/ you schizophrenic and unread freak. Christianity is Greek thought put to action.

[Anonymous No.14171055]

>>14171040
>An alternative to christianity
Reason

[Anonymous No.14171062]

>>14171049
Christcucks are absolutely delusional

[Anonymous No.14171070]

>>14171040
>please be respectful
You do realize where you are right?

[Anonymous No.14171079]

>christianity
CROSSTIANITY
jew on stick
jesus was a jew
>islam
religon of peace
>judaism
created two cancer religons called islam and crosstianity

stupid desert abrahamic cults
gtfo

[Anonymous No.14171093]

I support what you are saying, however you should try to tie this into some aspect of myth or other works on old religions. Try to have it on a specific topic so that it doesn't get deleted.

[Anonymous No.14171096]

>>14171049
Christianity is the antithesis of the Greeks. Go back.

[Anonymous No.14171143]

>>14171049
Christianity is the death of Greece brought to life.

[Anonymous No.14171160]

>>14171096
Platonism had significant influence on early Christian thought (the Church Fathers) and Pauline theology. Paul's ideas of souls and the resurrection were very much influenced by Greek thought.

[Anonymous No.14171172]

>>14171049
The Greeks asked the question, "what is wisdom?", and formulated many answers for it. Sometime later, a travelling rabbi effectively says "I am wisdom", alongside many other unintelligible claims, around whom a cult quickly forms. Western civilization takes the anonymous figure on his word, doesn't ponder the question further, and has never asked it again since. That's the difference between the Greeks and the Semites, and I think we all know which category your camp falls into.

[Anonymous No.14171190]

>>14171172
based

[Anonymous No.14171199]

>>14171172
Look at this imbecile making a fool of himself. Luckily 4chan is anonymous; otherwise you would be ridiculed. I bet you think that Jesus offered answers to questions such as what is the nature of matter? Are there laws of nature, if so, what are they? How did the universe begin?
The problem with imbeciles like you is that you think Jesus was a philosopher. He was a prophet. He never made any claims about what wisdom is.

[Anonymous No.14171202]

>>14171040
dude, fuck off. stop posting here and go finish high school. you've no fucking idea what you're talking about and you're spouting retarded soiboi-tier blasphemy. for fuck's sake, you don't even believe in anything you're talking about, you just want to "promote" some fake shit to control people. look at it this way, what you're saying is exactly what the neoliberals and globalists say: that "all religions are equal and it doesn't matter what you believe as long as you don't hurt anyone." you believe in nothing, and that is why you're a faggot. even to suggest that more then one religion could be called "good," for any reason, is absolutely cucked. you think that the west has a lack of faith, but you yourself don't even believe in anything. yes, they're going to be super "inspired" by your "promotion" of returning to a bunch of dead, fake religions that you yourself don't even care about in the slightest so that they can behave in a way that is more beneficial to you.

OP, you are possibly the biggest faggot alive on this board today. You have no idea who Christ is or about the things He did for us. you disrespect Him and you don't even have the balls to fully get behind an alternative.
are you willing to die for Odin? lmao. get the fuck out of here you absolute pussy. i really hope for your sake that you're just a retarded high schooler and not a full blown retard.

Christ is King

[Anonymous No.14171206]

>>14171199
Jesus was a science-fiction character.

[Anonymous No.14171226]

>>14171206
Elaborate

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.14171257]

>mfwtt

I appreciate the effort post, but it’s a bit more nuanced than that. Has anyone suggested some decent history books on this topic?
The Middle Eastern cult changed the Europeans as much as they changed it.
But now the same has finally happened with secularism and atheism. There is no going back, no pagan revival is coming.

[Anonymous No.14171422]

>>14171199
Jesus brought a measurable degradation to the ideological depth of the philosophical discourse in the civilizational sphere he influenced.

[Anonymous No.14171452]

>>14171202
Nice bait

[Anonymous No.14171453]

>>14171040
>An alternative to truth

[Anonymous No.14171465]

>>14171040
No one cares about your country. Christ is king.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.14171478]

>>14171465
No one cares about your imaginary friend anymore

[Anonymous No.14171501]

>>14171040
is this more /pol/ shilling on /lit/? Most of the problems currently the West is dealing with can be traced to Christian apostasy. Europe and other once Christian nations were thriving when people lived by the word of God.

I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

[Anonymous No.14171515]

>>14171422
Prove it

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.14171528]

>>14171501
No, the problems are tied to our “Christian work ethic” and complete spiritual laziness concerning the real world. The devout in positions of power are actually eager for the doomsday of the extinction event, and the mindless sheep can’t wait to die. There’s still too many faithful “cucks” in the world.

[Anonymous No.14171533]

>>14171478
Nietzsche is dead. Jesus is alive.

[Anonymous No.14171536]

>>14171528
hurrrrrrrrrrr

Believing in God is literally necessary to live one's life. If you don't see this you must be dumb. If you do, you must be running away from this truth. :3

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.14171581]

>>14171533
They’re both dead.
Their writing still goes on, but only deranged fools believe in the old wizard of Aelia Capitolina, who could turn water into wine and slice bread really really thin.

>>14171536
Not only do I not see it, I live contrary to it.

[Anonymous No.14171604]

>>14171096
You have no idea of what you're talking about

[Anonymous No.14171606]

>>14171581
The Resurrection is a provable historical fact.
http://www.exegeticalapologetics.com/2018/05/an-historical-case-for-christs.html

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.14171614]

>>14171604
That was all after the fact. I mean you’re right— that picture is crap. Fucking Turkish minarets

[Anonymous No.14171621]

>>14171536
>Believing in God is literally necessary to live one's life.
I would say not believing in god is necessary to live, as one is not stunned trying to avoid death and regarding life as a test

[Anonymous No.14171622]

Why is everyone so obsessed with Greece? I guess they were nice for their time, but their accomplishments are basically babby-tier compared to later European civilization.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.14171624]

>>14171606

[Anonymous No.14171630]

>>14171040
>I would mark the downfall of europe when a widespread non european faith became the faith of europe.
Oh look, another "neo-pagan" LARPer. Have sex, incel.

[Anonymous No.14171644]

>>14171606
I personally disagree, even as a Christian. However, don't listen to butterfly because she subscribes to some discredited crackpot theory that Jesus was 3 different people who managed to get synthesized into one.

[Anonymous No.14171652]

>>14171422
That happened long before Jesus. The high philosophy of the greeks already degredated by that time into mystery cults and self help.

The best thing at the time was stoicism, but even then, thats self help, not the rigours of plato or Aristotle.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.14171709]

>>14171644
I more entertain the idea than subscribe to it.

>>14171652
The mysteries were practiced well before the philosophers came about. There’s no connections.
>Stoicism
They had quite a competition with Epicureanism before the neoplatonists got ahold of the Christ/Dionysus cult

[Anonymous No.14171717]

>>14171624

[Anonymous No.14171723]

The problem is Western Christianity has lost it's healing power, Eastern Orthodoxy with a direct mystical relationship to Christ is the solution.

[Anonymous No.14171725]

>>14171040
How can you even believe in "old gods". they are simple cultural arifacts and the only reason for going back to paganism is blatant contrarianism instead of any pure belief. Do people now adays believe in Odin? An entity inextricably linked to a specific culture group (which by itself probably subsumed a culture group before it, why not go before paganism and go straight to shamanism?) a universal god or a mindset like abrahamic or hindu/Confucius actual allows one to honestly believe in some absolute.

Anyways, you are probably a history brainlet if you see rather specific correlations between religion and subjective social progress. Saying that it "failed" is reductionist in the extreme. was 15th century Europe any worse or better than 15th century Japan?

As someone who has actually read primary sources I am always disgusted by pagan larpers who have a idiotic linear sense of history and turn a blind eye to the various socio-economic factors interpretations and developments at play. I see so much more of the best of aristotle and plato in middle age manuscripts than anything in the Hellenistic period of utter self help. I could go on for paragraphs about how exceptionally wrong you are. And I can if you want.

[Anonymous No.14171744]

>>14171257
I can at least partially agree with you on that butterfly. I see things as causal and athiesm/agnosticim is probably enevitable. MOst of the really interesting/influential works by pagans usualy worked within a diest/agnostic frame anyway. And once Christianity got into full swing they did the same with a more wholistic (while still not completely rational) mindframe of some platonic absolute that lead the way for true intellectual rigor later on.

[Anonymous No.14171788]

Sometime ago I read some pagan claiming that Tolkiens work was more pagan than Iliad, I havent been able to take paganism seriously after that. They think aesthetic and religion are one and the same. If you want to convert into non-abrahamic religion take up buddhism or something, and do it seriously, don't just copy the aesthetic.

[Anonymous No.14172575]

>>14171040
Well, I'm convinced. Except for the bit about not having wars prior is xtianity.

[Anonymous No.14172642]

>>14171725
not OP, but I'd appreciate reading it

[Anonymous No.14172727]

>>14171040
You are ignorant to the role Christianity played in shaping the Western mind. No other culture in history has spent so much effort on the idea of free will because of the Christian emphasis on willing conversion. Christian thought is what separates our culture from the Greco-Roman. Without Christianity the West ceases to exist.

[Anonymous No.14172744]

>>14172727
ok boomer

[Anonymous No.14172747]

>>14172727
>Without Christianity the West ceases to exist.
I'm right-wing but if that's the case, I'm all for a rapid decline of the West.

[Anonymous No.14172782]

>>14172747
The West needs to overcome the contradiction between the will to power and the message of the gospels. The overman's new dawn will be an epoch to reminisce that the old heart beats with ancient blood

[Anonymous No.14172941]

>>14171622
Imagine believing this.

[Anonymous No.14172959]

>>14171604
And Americans have art inspired by the Greeks while shitting on everything they stood for. Empty aesthetic similarities are meaningless, you're a pseud.

[Anonymous No.14172964]

>>14171160
So what? Neolib academics are influenced by the Greeks, doesn't mean they understood them nor that their interpretations have any value.
None of you christcucks understand Plato.

[Anonymous No.14172980]

Ill answer your replys.

"You dont even believe in your gods!"
Two reasons for this. 1. Our religions were never as fervent in belief as Semitic religions comparing your religion to mine is like comparing candy to fruit and then saying the fruits not sweet. It clearly is but your perception is warped. Secondly the legitimize of the religions is always lowered by people when they scream LARP and Faggot. So it kinda makes you feel like going and just accepting the mainstream its almost a struggle of wills. Do I believe what I actually care about or do I crumble and just go back? Because of your screeches of larp saying that we dont even worship you cause us to not worship.

"You dont even know your whole religion."

Now im paraphrasing above but the point still stands that our religions is fractured. Not because of internal strife or clergy like Christianity but because our religions were shattered. Its like shattering a great glass art scattering the pieces everywhere and laughing at the person for not being able to put it back together perfectly. You destroy our religion then laugh when you see us trying to rebuild it?

Lastly I will talk about what I said about how everything went to shit after we got injected with non European religion. The christian values not stolen from pagan Greece are very very bad in our current time for Europe. Turn the other cheek? To what thousands of illegal migrants invading Europe? Your religion itself brought a dark age to europe by assisting in the collapse in the roman empire them assisting prolonging it by burning books and repressing science as heretical. Your religion is non European and your ancestors shed a tear every time you kneel the altar and pray to a crucified Jewish rabbi

[Anonymous No.14173008]

>>14172575
We did have wars but not as huge on a scale of Christianity. They thought for both land and conversion we only fought for little bits of resources and land. We did not care that we worshiped different religions as the religious base was still the same. We can actually translate our gods to roman and greek gods and retain the same meaning. This is simply how indo european religions kinda work. So no wars were not as harsh as there was no conversion element to it.

[Anonymous No.14173009]

>>14171040
There's so much wrong with all of this, as in most of the fundamental premises your argument is built on are completely hollow that's it's hard to even engage without first talking about that.
Your whole idea of a codified faith is a post-Christian thing, the idea that there was a Paganism™ with a codified set of values or whatever is entirely misleading
I mean what little actual philosophical ideas in Christianity that are taken from Judaism are foreign, but the many entire gods and goddesses and their cults which are taken from much further south and east in "roman and hellenic paganism" are totally fine?
You have no fucking clue what you're talking about, have you ever even read a book before?
You don't understand anything about Christianity, you have a meme understanding from short youtube videos and maybe a counterpoints article on Nietzsche and slave morality and that's about it.
Stop with the gay LARP, read a fucking book, come back when you're over 18

[Anonymous No.14173041]

>>14171040
You’re from that gay neopagan discord aren’t you. Get lost faggot, no one likes you

[Anonymous No.14173061]

>>14171049
Christianity is Greek thought completely perverted into its lowest and most unenlightened forms.

You can polish the turd of Christianity all you want with Greek thought, but in the end it is just a turd.

[Anonymous No.14173076]

>>14171040
>It was a more peaceful form a Judaism
citation needed
>that focused around a rabbi that claimed to be the messiah.
citation needed
>and he spread that he was the son of god
citation needed
btw your alternative to Christianity is Judaism.
>b-but circumcision
either find a reform synagogue that will accept you even though you reject G-d's covenant, or be content with being a G-d-fearing gentile.

[Anonymous No.14173082]

Look deep into your throbbing life and you will find the quality of the divine. You will not find a God but you will find a godliness, a truth, an awakening, a buddha.

[Anonymous No.14173091]

>>14173082
Why do you keep posting a cult leader? There must be better representatives for your beliefs than Osho.

[Anonymous No.14173162]

>>14171501
Thriving in corpses maybe. The West has never been more stable.

[Anonymous No.14173212]

>>14172980
Literally read a book any book

[Anonymous No.14173537]

None of you fools have read Klages.