Is there objective truth, /lit/?

[Anonymous No.14165331]

[Anonymous No.14165343]

Subjectivity proves there is, but not in the way you're thinking of it.

[Anonymous No.14165348]

Yes.
A=A
Not-A=/=A
Literally nothing else

[Anonymous No.14165356]

>>14165348
But why isn't A an S?

So A = S

[Anonymous No.14165365]

>>14165331
>>14165343
>>14165348
>>14165356
Because there is objective truth of quantity, there also must be objective truth of the subject/object quality, hence everything is its own value and so you are me because you are your value and I am you because you are my value and without us there is not quantity with which to measure.

[Anonymous No.14165366]

>>14165356
"A" stands in for anything which is not unlike itself, not something particular.

[Anonymous No.14165369]

There is objective truth in mathematics, otherwise we wouldn’t be able to build things.

[Anonymous No.14165381]

Yes, and it's whatever I say.

[Anonymous No.14165384]

>>14165365
I didn't even establish quantities exist, you dumb fuck. Alike, equal, and unlike are qualities, not quantities.
Accepting quantities would imply accepting that there can be sets of things that are equal to one another.

[Anonymous No.14165397]

>>14165331
Yes.
Will you ever experience it? No.

[Anonymous No.14165404]

>>14165397
Speak for yourself.

[Anonymous No.14165430]

>>14165348
A=A? Bro, things can only be defined in n-1 dimensions

[Anonymous No.14165439]

>>14165331
Yes. Consciousness is objective truth. Objective simply means "mind-independent", which consciousness is. Your mind can deny or doubt the existence or status of many items, but it cannot doubt the consciousness containing it. That's because the mind is sustained within consciousness, not the other way, and that consciousness itself can be likened to a "field of objectivity", whereby everything existing in it exists regardless of what the mind thinks of it. Your mind can deny, but it can't deny that it denied - that is because consciousness objectively encases your mental acts inside of itself, without ability for said mind to simply make any kind of statement it likes.

What is the absolute truth? Pure Consciousness, the most fundamental level of consciousness, which sustains all shallower levels of consciousness. This moment, prior to any conceptualization, is truth. The direct experience of reality. Any act of thought you engender simply exists within that non-conceptual, direct reality. So absolute truth simply means that you can't proceed deeper than it, hence why it's Pure Consciousness. But every layer of consciousness, including our shallow waking state, is still "absolute", in the sense that it cannot be changed, existing as it does immutably.

I can't explain myself very well, but these are my basic thoughts. It feels so obvious to me personally, that consciousness is the necessary, objective, eternal, immutable, unchanging reality which people had labelled "God" for so long. And that all you need to do to realize your truer nature, is to learn meditation and thereby reach those deeper states within your own consciousness.

[Anonymous No.14165494]

>>14165331
the universe is expanding

[Anonymous No.14165535]

>>14165404
I'm gonna eat your ass out, ideoloboy

[Anonymous No.14165569]

>>14165331
Only the Lord knows. Don't be so arrogant as to think that if there were, we could know it.

[Anonymous No.14165571]

>>14165439

>consciousness is the necessary, objective, eternal, immutable, unchanging reality which people had labelled "God" for so long

This guy knows.

[Anonymous No.14165581]

>>14165494
No it's getting smaller, conforming into a single coin for me to use in the coffee machine – you absolute bumbling retard.

[Anonymous No.14165605]

>>14165569
There is, and we can. Speaking from experience, here.

[Anonymous No.14165609]

>>14165331
Yes, within a given frame of reference you may speak of objective truth.
Conversely, when you blow apart the frame, all points of view are seen as subjective.
However, as soon as you try to say or do something, you're back into a frame of reference.
So what do you take from it? Obviously not to see everything as subjective, but simply to allow for multiple differing points of view.

[Anonymous No.14165688]

>>14165569
Get thee hence, vile tempter!

[Anonymous No.14165691]

>>14165605
This >>14165688 was directed at you>>14165605

[Anonymous No.14166159]

>>14165571
Thank you anonfren.

[Anonymous No.14166199]

>>14165571
I don’t know

[Anonymous No.14167169]

>>14165348
How do I know I have access to A in itself, and not just a subjective representation of A?

[Anonymous No.14167604]

>>14167169
It doesn't matter. We can only know things subjectively. But truth/reality isn't a thing, or it is the *only* thing.

[Anonymous No.14167716]

It would be impossible for there to not be an objective truth

[Anonymous No.14167743]

>>14165331
there is none, but it will never matter because the universe is entirely arbitrary. we cannot be sure that the view we perceive A is actually A but because it wouldn't matter either way we can disregard that and assume A = A. otherwise life begins to lose meaning. it is important to always remember that objectivity isn't so objective but never to fall into the pitfall of doubting it to hinder your mentality

[Anonymous No.14167762]

>>14167743
>there is none
Is this true?

[Anonymous No.14168003]

If I step off the edge of a cliff, I'm going to fall. It doesnt matter if I believe I can fly or I believe I wont fall, no matter what I will fall and most likely die. It's all objective anybody that says truth is subjective is trying to please their own ego.

[Anonymous No.14168014]

>>14165331
Any answer to the question of objective truth must necessarily be an objective truth, so the only answer can be yes. It is an anti-question.

[Anonymous No.14168269]

>>14165384
It’s entirely possible to form such sets of single elements, supposing that some elements can be equal to themselves.

[Anonymous No.14168568]

Not if my feelings say otherwise. :^)

[Anonymous No.14168575]

>>14165331
Yes.
It's called Math

[Anonymous No.14168577]

>>14168568
Truth doesn't care about your feelings.

[Anonymous No.14168589]

>>14168003
>implying you will fall just because lots of other things have fallen in the past

[Anonymous No.14168591]

>>14168577
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