CIA and french philosophy

[Anonymous No.14160344]

https://www.cia.gov docs CIA-RDP86S00588R000300380001-5

thoughts??

[Anonymous No.14160364]

Didn't Marcuse work for the CIA? German, but still.

[Anonymous No.14160366]

link doesnt work

https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp86s00588r000300380001-5

[Anonymous No.14160376]

[Anonymous No.14160384]

>>14160344
The French deserved the bombings.

[Anonymous No.14160386]

[Anonymous No.14160391]

>>14160344
Jay Dyer says the CIA is everywhere and I always laugh at him. I think he might have a point though.

[Anonymous No.14160408]

>>14160344
Are we permitted to discuss the Paris Review or is that a no-go?

[Anonymous No.14160440]

>>14160408
Sure

[Anonymous No.14160477]

>>14160440
If Stein had started a career in an earlier era, if he was then burn noticed, he'd have simply been fired or filed for bankruptcy and left town or something discrete like that. The sexual impropriety stuff of today is so sordid. I wonder why it seems part of protocol and tradecraft now. The rabble must love it, ala SVU

[Anonymous No.14160486]

>>14160477
Whoops forgot my pic. Once I learned pic related, statecraft and international relations type thinking seems much more important, because it seems almost everything important is a move on that board.

[Anonymous No.14160500]

>>14160366
>pg. 14
>Against these critics, the New Right can point to kudos from Michel Foucault, France's most profound and influential thinker. Foucault has praised the upstarts for, among other things, reminding philosophers of the "bloody" consequences that have followed from the rationalist social theory of the 18-century Enlightenment and the Revolutionary era.
Michel Foucault confirmed as a crypto-rightist.

[Anonymous No.14160752]

Honestly there was a parallel story in the US. The American left also failed to support the student revolutions, which were smaller but still violent (Kent State) and lost the labor unions. Chomsky's role resembles Foucault, being the most prominent leftist intellectual, but too at odds with the failures of the leftist movement and its mainstream representatives to contribute to policy (his political writings are mainly critical). And just like in France, most students pursue careers in business, tech, or science, and there's a severe lack of intellectuals independent of academia.

Fuck, I should have pursued business, tech, or science.

[Anonymous No.14160772]

>>14160752
Chomsky's a faggot that continually downplayed the CIA's influence on the left and political conspiracies like 9/11 and JFK. He's probably a court historian on payrole of the CIA.

[Anonymous No.14160778]

Book on Marcuse and other Frankfurt school members working for OSS and CIA.

[Anonymous No.14160804]

Postcolonial theorist Frantz Fanon and the CIA: https://academic.oup.com/ahr/article/124/3/983/5509740

>French continentals are CIA
>Critical Theory and Frankfurt school is CIA
>Postcolonialism is CIA
>Feminism is CIA
>20th Century art is CIA

Imagine still being leftist and pushing this stuff.

>why yes, my mind is parasitized by my enemy, but that's a good thing

[Anonymous No.14160826]

>>14160804
Yep, the CIA pushes for postcolonial critical theory while subverting third world socialist movements. Retard. The CIA is nothing but a right wing institution that has sabotaged and infiltrated any sort of rebellion from the American empire (see COINTELPRO). Do you honestly think /pol/ isn’t a giant PSYOP and honeypot?

Pic related is a good example of military intel’s true intents (occult fascism)

[Anonymous No.14160831]

>>14160391
Dyer is a Christian simpleton who steals all of his credible research from the much better Dave McGowan and perverts it to be reactionary.

[Anonymous No.14160835]

>>14160804
>The 20th century is just one big CIA psyop
Based

[Anonymous No.14160842]

>>14160835
He’s correct though, but he forgot to add the 21st century is an even bigger one

[Anonymous No.14160860]

>>14160826
>The CIA is nothing but a right wing institution
retard detected. learn some history.

[Anonymous No.14160861]

>>14160376
>>14160386

These pages do not derive from the OP's (attempted) link, but are instead passages from "Now", the latest book from anarchist finks The Invisible Committee. If I had to make a guess as to why these images were posted, and their relationship to the actual CIA article (indicated in the SP >>14160366), I would say that it's meant to indicate the Committee's conception of "destituent" as issuing from the leftist inter-nicene "bickering" (great word) indicated in the CIA article itself. But the "Everybody hates the Police" chapter of Now, from which the passages derives, isn't so directly involved with this idea as such, which is central to the rest of the book, so it's an odd choice.

OTOH the authors of Now lifted the historical conceptions of the police directly from a Foucault lecture (both works cite the exact same three thinkers and their old theories of how the police "ought to be"), and Foucault is pictured in the OP so maybe that's significant as well, but I don't see it on a cursory look through the CIA article.

[Anonymous No.14160867]

>>14160826
>the CIA pushes for postcolonial critical theory while subverting third world socialist movements
That's right, it's right there in the peer reviewed article. Why don't you have a read or do you prefer your safe little Chomsky stories from CIA academia? The CIA nailed you stupid little redditors into pushing their psyops, and you gobble it down like a pack of retards to this day.
>The CIA is nothing but a right wing institution
It's liberal and always has been.
>COINTELPRO
They also targeted right wing groups. See pic related.

[Anonymous No.14160873]

>>14160826
>Pic related is a good example of military intel’s true intents (occult fascism)

Unironically based.

[Anonymous No.14160895]

>>14160826
What is fascism?

[Anonymous No.14160911]

>>14160804
reminder: gloria steinem is a CIA agent. feminism is just a distraction.

[Anonymous No.14160925]

>>14160826

Sabotaging and infiltrating any sort of rebellion from the American empire is a good thing.

What I'm not quite getting is the rhetoric which seems to be bubbling ITT, about how the CIA backs "left theory" to crypto-fascist ends, or whatever. Are you (any of you, in the thread) saying that the CIA props up certain leftists to eat the others, divide-and-conquer like? Or are you making some other specific claims?

OTOH the painting meme has been repeated many times, though admittedly I've never rigorously looked into its historical veracity (maybe the CIA reading room is a good place to look!). The story goes that AbEx art of the 50s and 60s was promoted by the CIA as a good example of American freedom of creativity, as opposed to doctrinaire Soviet realist art and similar. It's a very tall order to market abstract paintings (which most people naturally hate) in this way, but there's something to this: Look closely at any piece of socialist realist art, and you'll see a soullessness which isn't even present in a Pollock or a Rothko. For real soullessness in modern art, you have to to the 1970s and minimalism (Ellsworth Kelly, say). Of course classical Western art is much better than both of these.

[Anonymous No.14160930]

>>14160826
why does he look like a homosexual

[Anonymous No.14160954]

>>14160826
>CIA pushes for postcolonial critical theory while subverting third world socialist movements
Postcolonial theory has feminism, queerness, and other Liberal values baked in, which are intrinsically Western in origin. Postcolonialism is a Trojan Horse of Western Imperialism to keep third world shitholes under our thumb while keeping leftitsts happy and in the dark.

[Anonymous No.14160956]

Seriously WTF is fascism? I don’t know what it is and whenever I ask someone what the tenets of fascism are or how it’d work they talk about murder which is not fascism cause it’s murder and the their distinct (I think?? WTF )

[Anonymous No.14160966]

>>14160954
uhh nooo sweety, western values are wehn men are strong and make sex with women (who be in the kitchen makin food n babies!). Everything is post-neo modern marxist communists, which is 100% NOT WESTERN!

[Anonymous No.14160989]

>>14160925
>"hmmm they are discussing things they shouldn't, better tell them that the American empire is good."

[Anonymous No.14161006]

>>14160989

It is. I'm a private citizen and I delight at the image of Che's corpse. The thing about Bane? He lost, he died.

[Anonymous No.14161011]

>>14160956

it comes down to "we (whom ever that is) come from a glorious civilization which has been subverted by "outsiders" whom we must go to war and destroy to reclaim our glory for the future."


Emphasis on cult or personality, authoritarianism/totalitarianism government, military strength, social conservatism and hiearchies and tradition and in a perpetually state of war against an enemy (which is constantly changing) who is both extremely powerful but is also sub-human and weak. Fascist ideology is built on contradiction, double think. It has no consistent ideology, there is no single fascist government, no fascist economy, or fascist culture. It is fairly hard to define, its more like "ill know it when I see it"

Nazi's believed Aryans to be the master race, but made the Japanese "honorary Aryans" because they needed allies for the war. Jews were greedy, selfish, sub-human rats, but also were incredible crafty and powerful creatures who are united to control the world and was destroying the Aryan race. So you can see how fascist ideology needs contradiction to exist.

[Anonymous No.14161016]

>>14161006
cuba sure is a hell hole with 99% literacy rate, 0% homelessness, and being one the biggest exporters of doctors and medical professional to the developing world.

[Anonymous No.14161051]

>>14161016

I cheerfully concede the high literacy rate as common not only to Cuba, but to the socialist experiments in general. Communism remains untenable.

Suddenly, I find myself fantasizing about stealing into Cuba late at night, grabbing Assata Shakur, and causing her the humiliation of being turned back over to white American pigs while still alive. A man can dream.

[Anonymous No.14161067]

>>14160925
>we must become the swamp to defeat the swamp, since there's no more village and all that
The absolute state of burgers.

[Anonymous No.14161098]

>>14161016
Lol I love how commies do this gambit.. there are tons of doctors who spoke out about Cuba fudging numbers on things like infant mortality.

Would be funny to have this guy walk around Havana with a copy of Infinite Jest and have the Cubans read it to him (translated to Spanish it was..)

[Anonymous No.14161101]

>>14161011
>Fascist ideology is built on contradiction, double think. It has no consistent ideology, there is no single fascist government, no fascist economy, or fascist culture. It is fairly hard to define, its more like "ill know it when I see it"
No shit, Sherlock. A political ideology that has only been around for 20 years wouldn't have the time to refine and solidify into something more coherent.

[Anonymous No.14161102]

>>14161098
t. gusano

[Anonymous No.14161105]

>>14161011
>cult or personality
>authoritarianism/totalitarianism government
>military strength
>in a perpetually state of war against an enemy (which is constantly changing) who is both extremely powerful but is also sub-human and weak
>contradiction, double think
So, USA?

[Anonymous No.14161109]

>>14161006
>I'm a private citizen
imagine believing this when the empire you love is busy taking away your privacies

[Anonymous No.14161110]

>>14161102
Not a gusano, not even Cuban

[Anonymous No.14161130]

>>14161011

I've never been convinced of this Umberto Eco take about contradictions in fascism. It's retarded. It's basically denying things can be powerful in some areas, and can have weaknesses in other areas. For example saying this:

>Jews were greedy, selfish, sub-human rats, but also were incredible crafty and powerful creatures who are united to control the world and was destroying the Aryan race

Isn't a contradiction. A contradiction is p and not p. If it were a contradiction they'd be saying Jews are greedy and not greedy, selfish and not selfish, sub-human rats and supra-human non-rats, craft and noncrafty, powerful/united and weak/un-united. There doesn't appear to be any explicit contradiction here, and the people that push Eco's take here really haven't thought it through (which is funny, because they are implicitly implying their opponents aren't rational by use of contradictions).

[Anonymous No.14161215]

>>14161011
>it comes down to "we (whom ever that is) come from a glorious civilization which has been subverted by "outsiders" whom we must go to war and destroy to reclaim our glory for the future."
That seems to be the mainstream historical take on WW1. A pretty prosperous Germany fought a 4 year long war and ended up as a failed state due to literal outsiders forcing harsh conditions onto them, which ultimately ended in a disastrous financial crisis and a slow recovery from that.

>perpetually state of war against an enemy (which is constantly changing)
In which fascist country was that the case?
It seems like Germany, Hungary, Romania, Italy, ... fought pretty consistently against the Allies.

>Nazi's believed Aryans to be the master race, but made the Japanese "honorary Aryans" because they needed allies for the war.
Or because they believed that the Japanese culture was similar to their own Ideals, which made the Alliance viable in the first place.

>Jews were greedy, selfish, sub-human rats, but also were incredible crafty and powerful creatures who are united to control the world and was destroying the Aryan race.
Doesn't seem contradictory.
Certainly both could be the case, as the first part is simply a moral judgment, the other a factual statement.
At least it doesn't seem more contradictory than occupy Wallstreet, with it's slimy, greedy bankers, out there to exploit the poor.

>So you can see how fascist ideology needs contradiction to exist.
You don't seem to present a contradiction.

[Anonymous No.14161248]

>>14160364
For the OSS, yes

[Anonymous No.14161251]

Just read this Cultural Cold War book and you'll understand how CIA funded not only French Philosophers but nearly all the world.

[Anonymous No.14161267]

>>14161109

I'm aware of the comparisons with one's "credit score", but the proposed Chinese model, for example, is far more insidious. In the United States, the possibility exists to opt out, to minimize: not so elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.14161363]

>>14160826
I don't know if there's even a single republican (and that includes neocohens and 'reformed' trotskists) working for the cia outside the president appointed ones who are figureheads.
The cia gets a reputation because they fucked over soviet aligned regimes for national reasons.

[Anonymous No.14161491]

>>14160954
>Postcolonial theory has feminism, queerness, and other Liberal values baked in, which are intrinsically (((Western)))
ftfy

[Anonymous No.14161498]

>>14160925
>(which most people naturally hate)
The latest Franz Kupka exhibition in his home country was crowded, and he was the originator of the abstract art decades before Pollock. This "CIA did modern art" meme is extremely shortsighted and burgercentric.

[Anonymous No.14161632]

>>14160826
>Pic related is a good example of military intel’s true intents (occult fascism)

Then why did he get in to a cat fight with Myatt back in the 80's?

[Anonymous No.14161639]

>>14161011
None of that is unique to fascism.

[Anonymous No.14161645]

The American empire is the cancer of humanity

[Anonymous No.14161786]

>>14160826
Dude, the last head of the CIA, John Brennan, openly admitted voting for the Communist Party when he was younger. The current CIA doesn’t care about communists, at least in its own ranks.

[Anonymous No.14161821]

>>14161498
Based. Americans were gobbling down Warhols left and right while Europe was producing Picassos and Richters.

[Anonymous No.14162208]

>>14160804
>>why yes, my mind is parasitized by my enemy, but that's a good thing

cuck philosophy btfo

[Anonymous No.14162213]

>>14160826
>Pic related is a good example of military intel’s true intents (occult fascism)

you wish bucko

[Anonymous No.14162229]

>>14160364
Marcuse wasn't German, he was a Jew.

[Anonymous No.14162237]

I remember reading somewhere about how 1968 was a colour revolution and I think he this is right. It was an American-led and financed attempt to unseat a nationalist leader who went against U.S. political and economic interests, using the same methods that became standardized in recent decades, street demonstrations, strikes and interventions led by student activists.

And it worked. Charles de Gaulle fell and with him the dirigiste model of the French economy was opened for American capitalism. Not only the economy though, the entire French society was remodelled around liberal norms and the French philosophers, both those from the left such as Foucault and those from the right such as BHL were part of that.

The French Communist Party was right in rejecting all that.

[Anonymous No.14162241]

>>14160835
the irony that the anglo analytic phil circle is the only part of 20th c. intellectualism that isn't a psyop, it genuinely was just autism

instead the continentals were the real conduits for anglo soft power kek

[Anonymous No.14162242]

>>14160835
Based CIA desu

[Anonymous No.14162261]

>>14160804
The Americans pretty openly supported decolonization, so it's not a surprise that they would support Fanon.

It's not that the CIA or the U.S. State Department are pro-communists, they just saw in the collapse of the European empires in Africa an opportunity to expand the American sphere of influence. Once they saw that the new African countries were turning to communism instead they changed their methods and began supporting right-wing groups and dictators.

[Anonymous No.14162275]

>>14161011
>it comes down to "we (whom ever that is) come from a glorious civilization which has been subverted by "outsiders" whom we must go to war and destroy to reclaim our glory for the future."

No, it doesn't. This is a retarded definition since the belief in a mythical "Golden Age" is prevalent in several cultures millennia before the development of fascism in Italy in the aftermath of WWI. Even communists have something of this with their belief in "primitive communism" corrupted by class society.

>>14161130
Umberto Eco "Ur-Fascism" is a retarded text and people who take it seriously are even worse. There is not a single characteristic he gives to fascism that isn't prevalent across the political spectrum in one way or another.

[Anonymous No.14162396]

the CIA are some dumb motherfuckers who i wouldn't trust to organise a birthday party

[Anonymous No.14162418]

>>14160925
Makes me want a Big Mac and some Pornhub. Yummo!

[Anonymous No.14162455]

any examples of the CIA funding right wing intellectuals like jordan peterson or richard spencer or do they just do it for free?

[Anonymous No.14162472]

>>14162455
I think "funding" is a funny euphemism for secret rulings from secret courts, all the things done covered by many scary layers of NDA's and similar legal instruments. Not all assets are paid. Many are impelled.

[Anonymous No.14162486]

>>14160804
The Fanon-CIA relationship postdates his theoretical contributions.

[Anonymous No.14162514]

>>14160344
Why would the CIA, given it's responsibilities, permit there to be groups it did not understand, power it did not fully explain?

[Anonymous No.14162518]

>>14162229
So a honorary german

[Anonymous No.14162528]

>>14162455
Probably not because right-wing forces today are inherently centrifugal and (when oriented against the correct enemy) opposed to the bourgeois capitalist society. That is to say, the biggest winners of anglo democracy are the people like those that populate intelligence agencies, Universities, As well as power positions in business and finance. Right-wing radicalism wants to see these people dispossessed or destroyed, to be replaced with some kind of racial, theocratic or Aristocratic elite. These elites are the ones that have been wiped out by the bourgeois “liberal elite”

[Anonymous No.14162600]

Haley Tempest is my girlfriend. It's me and Haley, always together forever. I love her blond hair. I love her blond bush between her legs. I love her eyes when they smile, and they so often do, which is quite nice. I enjoy dancing with Haley Tempest, who is my girlfriend. Haley Tempest and Me, we were meant to be... together... forever...

Me and Haley Tempest, we go to the water park and splash water on each other, the sun is shining so beautifully, she says, and i say, well yeah haley, sure, i guess haha and i blush and grab her neck fiercely. ouch, she says, haha, why do you hurt me like that. Oh sorry, i say, it wasnt my intention. I think something inside me for a moment wanted to strangle you, as if your love of the sun was directly attacking or undermining my own ability to appreciate the world, i felt jealous and degraded, because to me it's just a sun and i have no poetic or deeper feelings regarding it. Please dont be scared, i would never hurt you and i hope you understand that me sharing this with you, is just a way of working on our relationship, on making my decision-processes transparent and tangible to you, so that you can develop a deeper understanding of what drives me in my actions and thoughts. Do you understand, Haley? Do you understand that i did not in any way degrade your appreciation of the sun, but rather felt a heavy affectation because I myself could not feel as beautiful as you do? And even now, he says while clenching his fist and feigning of raising it against her, and even now i feel trapped in a mode of thinking and percepting that is like a typing machine, as if everything that happens within me and outside me must be translated, no not must, but rather automatically by some internal necessity, becomes signified only through language, through lengthy expressions, which, if i was consequent and at the same time, had lost all shame, could stretch on forever. I am sometimes afraid, and i mean a genuine fear, or perhaps one could say that sometimes i am confronted with a terrifying vision of not being able to stop talking anymore, that a type writer etches words into my skull endlessly and i become lost in an infinite ongoing sequence of sentences which transform the reality around me, but me cut me away from it, as if a layer of linguistic pre-perception intruded to the sphere of perception and reality and cut me away from it, as if i had lost all my sensous organs and now was trapped only within a skull embedded in sentences. It is good that i'm merely myself and not the harbinger of my nightmares, as even now i find myself growing tired, my tongue becoming weak and exhausted, my eyes growing glassy and weary as i finish this dispell of thoughts and anxietys, and waiting for you to take me into your arms, love me, kiss me, pet me, not take me, but just comfort me, just comfort me, because i am far away from any sexuality, because my state of mind makes me drift away endlessly far away from the relief of sexuality,

[Anonymous No.14162603]

>>14160344
Admittedly I've only skimmed the article, but it's starting to look like French intellectuals specifically rejected the left due to the attempts to incorporate said intellectuals into the political parties more directly. I'm curious if this is an implicit statement as to the role of intellectual as lofty observers of the nation rather than practitioners of statecraft.

So much for Philosopher kings.

[Memearrows Bueller No.14162616]

>>14162603
[Hmmmmmm]
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[Anonymous No.14162653]

>>14162603
>be leftist philosopher
>capitalist and petit-bourgeois parties attempt to integrate me into their washed down social democratic parties
>refuse
>"so much for philosopher kings"

[Anonymous No.14162674]

>>14162514
exactly
which is why you can be sure that there are glownigs reading and posting in this very thread

[Anonymous No.14162733]

pretty funny
BHL (bernard henri levy) is a jew who was maoist around the 68 and were the one criticising communists as "petit bourgeois"(like not enough radical) and then became liberal as fuck with a certain trend to write books based only on the jewish question.He is (he was ,no ones like him anymore but still invited) someone frenquently invited on tv news or shits like that and say what we should think ,what we should do. He was actually very active for french intervention in yougoslavia against serbs,gulf war,iraq,lybia and kurdish people. In french we call him the "son of mars" because he is such a moron to advocate for wars when everytime it's total failure and france won nothing in their interests.Notably known to be pro-israel as fuck while blaming far-right in france (civic nationalism) when supporting israel at any cost (far right ethnico-religious government since 90's)
pic related is hour bhl ,son of mars.
Glucksmann is kind of same ,notably known for pushing french intervention as bhl.
His son is actually having a overcover from medias ,leading the socialist party (not its not commie it's just liberals) ,advocating for every shit we see since 80's (immigration,free gibs,intervention for kurds,far right not good it's nazi).
t.french guy interested since he's 13 in the JQ

pic related: bhl at the bn'ai brith

[Anonymous No.14162992]

>>14160344
I haven't read the entirety of it but it doesn't seem that the French intellectuals discussed in the document are in any way actually connected to the CIA. The document is just an analysis of how the cooling of pro-Soviet sentiment in France can be used to the US's advantage

[Anonymous No.14163207]

>>14162653
If they do nothing but persist in the realm of observation in what way will they reign?

>>14162616
What did anon mean by this?

[Anonymous No.14163949]

>>14162616
t. glow nigger

[Anonymous No.14165389]

>>14160344
merci "ah non" !