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[Anonymous No.14152836]

Why did postmodernism fall out of fashion on /lit/?

[Anonymous No.14152838]

>>14152836
What's postmodernism and what does it have to do with Foucault or Derrida?

[Anonymous No.14152853]

>>14152838
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/postmodernism/
now kys

[Anonymous No.14152877]

>>14152838

[Anonymous No.14152885]

>>14152853
>>14152877
Jordan Peterson's disciples are spilling over from reddit.

[Anonymous No.14152907]

>>14152836
Honestly anon, I don't think it's fallen out of fashion at all.

[Anonymous No.14152929]

>>14152836
desu post modernism is a redpill too bitter for most people
I was at a gathering on the weekend and I dropped some skepticism on the concept of gender and people lost their shit
Makes sense though, so much identity and pride is wrapped up in gender, to question it is blasphemy
They thought I was mad

[Anonymous No.14152946]

>>14152929
Now they think you're a fag, you sure showed them.

[Anonymous No.14152963]

>>14152885
I used to love postmodernism until I learned its a communist/cia thing. I liked how it re writes the rules. Subverts. Is rebellion against the status quo. But then you see how all these things are dangerous to society that is already hanging by a string. It is just ivory tower masturbation. Maybe I don't understand it?

[Anonymous No.14152973]

>>14152946
its fine I want to alienate myself from them

[Anonymous No.14152976]

>>14152885
bro I wrote against jordan peterson from day 1

I could outpostmodern you in my sleep

[Anonymous No.14153206]

>>14152836
skepticism with no substance, pretty boring really

[Anonymous No.14153802]

>>14152836
derrida's haunting look obv. no one can resist it

[Anonymous No.14153828]

>>14153802
derrida is shit tier, grossed out that this board still even mentions him and memes like him.

[Anonymous No.14153857]

>>14152885
Reddit seems to hate him, Ben Shapiro, ect. I don't think they came from Reddit. Although, that would be a convenient, if people on 4chan like something you don't. It would be far better if they all came from a lower stock, namely from Reddit.

[Anonymous No.14154060]

>reactionaries are too stupid to realize that post-modernism can easily be appropriated to reactionary views (eg. Baudrillard) so they just think they're "leftists"

fuck they're dumb

[Anonymous No.14154092]

HIV discovery

[Anonymous No.14154426]

>>14152836
When people actually committed to the arguments of Derrida and Foucault showed it wasn't just an easily memed 'u cant no nuffin'

[Anonymous No.14154565]

>>14154426
It could be because Foucault wasn't even a postmodernist per se, as in: unlike Derrida's, his thought dedicated to disarming grand narratives and the concept of objective truth. He was more of a sceptic-sociologist if anything. Did Peterson call him a postmodern neomarxist or why do people even believe so?

[Anonymous No.14154574]

>>14154426
It could be because Foucault wasn't even a postmodernist per se, as in: unlike Derrida's, his thought wasn't dedicated to disarming grand narratives and the concept of objective truth. He was more of a sceptic-sociologist if anything. Did Peterson call him a postmodern neomarxist or why do people even believe so?

[Anonymous No.14154636]

>>14152836

neither of the men in the image are postmodern philosophers.

[Anonymous No.14154756]

>>14152929
>I was at a gathering on the weekend and I dropped some skepticism on the concept of gender and people lost their shit
They probably thought they had an SJW in their midst

[Anonymous No.14154764]

>>14154060
this

[Anonymous No.14154788]

>>14152836
because it's shit

[Anonymous No.14154819]

To simplify, Post-Modernism is kind of hyper-scepticism and scepticism is a weaponry system for fostering doubt among your enemies, you use it to pull the rug out from under their axioms and make them view their own beliefs as ultimately groundless.
Why did it become unpopular? Well to the extent that its introduction in the anglosphere did have some degree of alphabet agency push behind it then they most likely had a specific field of goals in mind while doing so and moved on to other things after they either achieved these goals or decided on a different approach.

Regarding the influx designer genders on the market right now, among other store-bought identities, the people attached to these only desire scepticism as far as it allows for their identities to exist and then immediately place a sacred shell over those identities to prevent them from being subjected to the same treatment.

Another Anon mentioned how easy it would be for the right to use this caustic scepticism to melt the sacred cows of their rivals and this is true, however it is unlikely for the same reasons mentioned above. Most people want their enemies to be delusional and for their own beliefs to be rooted in some rock hard ontological foundation. The breed willing to impose their aesthetic vision on a churning sea of nihilism, and acknowledge it as such, does not exist in meaningful numbers yet.

[Anonymous No.14154844]

>>14154819
>Post-Modernism is kind of hyper-scepticism and scepticism is a weaponry system for fostering doubt among your enemies
Prove this statement

[Anonymous No.14154849]

>>14154844
I can't, I'm a fraud.

[Anonymous No.14154869]

>>14154819

[Anonymous No.14154893]

>>14154756
This lmao. If anything postmodernism alongside the conditions of modernity have made gender all-important to one's identity. Before it was more social than personal.

[Anonymous No.14154957]

>>14154060
They realize it very well, it's just dishonest and inhesthetic. It's bad faith made into a pseudo-system (they'll dent the word system). Of course it can be used by whatever, by Islam, xi jinping, libertarians, etc...
It indeed says something that only the progress crowd has been using it in large doses, but it's not that other people are stupid.

[Anonymous No.14154970]

>>14154957
I should add that based foucault isn't really postmodern. He's just a confused man troubled by his lust for young Algerian boypucci.

[Anonymous No.14154991]

because it requires reading and nu/lit/ doesn't read

[Anonymous No.14155155]

>>14154060
big brain

[Anonymous No.14155332]

>>14152963
post-modernism is not taking "things are just like that" as an answer and trying to understand what made it to be what it is. that's why everything is a construct for them. how is this subverting muh indefinable while maintaining exclusivity western values?
this method of pure skepticism is the leading cause to a lot of the significant modern discoveries like quantum mechanics and spacetime. physicists didn't take newton's "it's just like that" as an answer, instead they hypothesized mechanisms, observed and made links to understand that there is a higher reality and water flowing above newton's head
however because of the french faggotery many postmodernists believe that a construct is somehow less important and can be changed easily when in fact a construct is way more stubborn than an essential. sex and other social rules being a construct doesn't mean you can just jump right in and start changing shit. trannies are only accepted today because of good will and empathy but they still don't fit in the system and that's why they are buttblasted about everything.
humans constructs are less like a building and more like an interconnected net with no base or center, that's why it's almost impossible to change.
read more

[Anonymous No.14155373]

>>14153802

[Anonymous No.14155388]

>>14155332
>that's why everything is a construct for them.
except racial equality. can't be edgy and skeptical about that one LMAO. or fascism or antisemitism, those r just evil haha
but yeah we are totally brave intellectual adventurers who will question all of society's most taboo ideas. Just not the ones that would get us kicked out of university haha

[Anonymous No.14155399]

>>14155332
>this method of pure skepticism is the leading cause to a lot of the significant modern discoveries like quantum mechanics and spacetime. physicists didn't take newton's "it's just like that" as an answer, instead they hypothesized mechanisms, observed and made links to understand that there is a higher reality and water flowing above newton's head
You incredible fucking faggot. Physicists have nothing do to with you industrial scale dicksucking, and the reason that modern physics went past Newton was because it was trying to explain observed discrepancies. It wasn't questioning newton's theorems as being 'constructs' it was just noticing places they failed to be predictive(a word postmodernists have nothing to do with in any way) so new theories had to be invented

[Anonymous No.14155466]

>>14152885
Derrida and Foucault have been the go-to postmodernists for decades, prior to Jordan Peterson. People like Windschuttle already wrote about how their thoughts had infected history back in the 90's, when postmodernism was at its academic peak.
Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.14155525]

>>14155399
i didn't say Einstein was a post modernist, i said that this method of skepticism of constantly asking why is the foundation of most modern discoveries and also the foundation of post modernism. like i said because of the french many postmodernists tend to stray away from reality to appeal to their sensitive emotions by creating abstractions while sciences always stays glued to reality and focuses on understanding and explaining, but nonetheless this method of skepticism and curiosity shouldn't be abandoned because of a few french humanist faggots. most people constantly keep spewing about the evil postmodernists without understanding what it is and to explain it simply: the first why is ancient, the second why is enlightenment, the third why is modernism and the 4th why is post modernism. the 4th why could be 'why is everyone inherently equal?' and it could also be 'why do human sexes behave in the way they do?'

[Anonymous No.14155546]

>>14154060
That's more because most of post-modernists simply are leftists. But if you go back far enough, you'll see that much of it is dependent on perspectivist thoughts that were formulated by far right or at least reactionary thinkers like Nietzsche, Heidegger, and to a lesser extent Spengler.

[Anonymous No.14155600]

>>14152836
>Be Jordan Peterson
>Make a career out of criticising "Postmodern Neo-Marxism"
>The Majority of actual Postmodern Philosophers also Criticise Marxism
>Admires Nietzsche and thinks he was a great Philosopher, without realising that he was also a Postmodernist
>Petersons Disciples now think Postmodernism is the same as idpol and that idpol is the same as far left Marxist/Leninism
>And use postmodernist critiques against "Postmodernist" Neomarxism


fun game: Go through a jbp video and replace every instance of "the neomarxists" with "the Jews"

[Anonymous No.14155616]

>>14154756
>>>14152836
>14152929
Because of brain drain and newer people joining,

Wait what kind of gathering was it? Was it some sort of conservative gathering or a trans rights gathering? Because both would make sense here except I thought the latter is what you meant.

[Anonymous No.14155624]

>>14155600
Nietzche really wasn't pomo but I guess he was a big influence on it. Don't see why you added the bit about jews, he obviously isn't an anti semite.

[Anonymous No.14155626]

>>14155399
what part of post-modernism is questioning newton’s theorems as ‘constructs’? none of them.

but there are certain ways of seeing that open up the kinds of ideas available. Einstein’s idea of space-time was genius in that he imagined planets and gravity to work kind of like a cloth with a weight in the middle. what if cloth wasn’t invented yet? or what if that analogy turns out to be slightly faulty, like string theory/quantum mechanics, the wave vs particles problems (and upscaling quantum mechanics to general relativity)

when applied to politics? fascists love to talk about how a nation is a larger version of the nuclear family, with a big daddy leader at the top.. but there are various ways humans interact: a book club, an internet forum, a prison, a village, are we closer to Chimp sized family with both patriarch and matriarch? or are we more like Ant civilisations?

[Anonymous No.14155628]

>>14155600
>Imagine being so mad that a man is telling men it's ok to be men and that they can make something of themselves.
>Godwins law to finish.
Bruh.

[Anonymous No.14156144]

>>14155373

[Anonymous No.14156187]

>>14153857
Go back

[Anonymous No.14156216]

>>14154060
To be honest, that's probably why the CIA financed post-modernist thought in France during the Cold War. With a single stroke, they defanged two enemies. They took from the left the objectivity and scientificity of Orthodox Marxist thought, which gave them strenght and vigor, and instead convinced them into accepting the social results of unfettered liberalism as just another form of "emancipation", while at the same time they managed to psychologically manipulate the reactionary and conservative right into developing a knee-jerk reaction to a school of thought that would give their views strenght against hegemonic liberalism.

[Anonymous No.14156283]

>>14155600
>fun game: Go through a jbp video and replace every instance of "the neomarxists" with "the Jews"
why is this a fun game when it's true?

[Anonymous No.14156328]

>>14156216
Would it be easier to just list things that aren't CIA plots?

[Anonymous No.14156381]

>>14155332
The thing i dont like about postmodernists is that they do not come from a point of trying to understand casuality, but of critique. this makes them innately bias against anything that is, and promotes rebellion for rebellions sake which is only slightly better than blind conformity as it is simply a reaction to it, they are defined by what they see as conformative and thus are simply an antithesis, just as swayed by contrarianism as their derided opposition.

[Anonymous No.14156621]

>>14152929
No men are men and women are women. Their identities are to procreate so that men and women can continue to have sex in the future. There is no more to it, your fake genderphysics is just sexual identification with a false environment.

[Anonymous No.14156740]

>>14152853
Don't wish that

[Anonymous No.14156890]

>>14152836
because deconstructive subjectivism and skepticism served the goals of the left after the fall of the soviet union when they were rudderless and in the opposition, but as soon as they secured power, they forsook all pretence of relativism for rigid identity politics based dogma.

[Anonymous No.14157093]

>>14156216
CIA did not fund post-modernism, show me just one reference please. In fact, they fund counters of it and there are evidences.

[Anonymous No.14157354]

>>14157093
They supported postmodern art, and Louis Armstrong for some reason, as part of a cold war propaganda thing, to show how much better the West was than the Soviet Union.
https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz_ambassadors

[Anonymous No.14157431]

>>14152836
you have to read the entirety of western canon and be moderately intelligent to understand it and when you finally do properly so you need to realise their conclusion is fucking shit and kill yourself for having wasted so much time
t. someone who hasn't read them yet but will soon enough

[Anonymous No.14158349]

>>14152838
Postmodernism is when I don't like something

[Anonymous No.14158858]

>>14157354
They supported modern art, not postmodern. Specifically American modern art, not worldwide, i.e. the modern art that was made before the wars.

[Anonymous No.14159078]

>>14157093
by the late 70's/early 80's the CIA started reading french postwar thought (mostly foucault) as part of an ongoing effort to synthesize an anti-soviet leftism for the masses. here's a declassified internal report:
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP86S00588R000300380001-5.PDF

[Anonymous No.14160615]

>>14155600
you are an idiot

[Anonymous No.14160647]

>>14155600
"jews" ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh funny I see what you did there. You must be a hell of a lot of fun to those parties you are never invited to.

[Anonymous No.14160865]

>>14156621
>men wear blue and are into cars, while women wear pink and are into shopping; Liking cars and malls are genetically tied to sex and has nothing to do with culture, just trust me guys.

[Anonymous No.14161846]

>>14159078
thanks for the document. got more of cia reports on similar issues?

[Anonymous No.14161887]

>>14152963
>I used to love postmodernism until I learned its a communist/cia thing

[Anonymous No.14161920]

>>14160865
Fucking chimps have little boy chimps play with toy cars and robots while girl chimps play dress up with dolls.
The patriarchy is controlling them.

[Anonymous No.14163334]

what was after postmodern......where are we now?

[Anonymous No.14163349]

>>14152836
This is literally a board full of larping Christians. Traditionalists have always hated post modernism and its gay aids faggot cult leader frenchies.

[Anonymous No.14163365]

>>14154060
it is quantifiably demonstrable that post modernists are leftists, for every Baudrillard there's 100 Derridas.

[Anonymous No.14163376]

>>14156621
>biological differences don't manifest themselves in any way
imagine being this retarded, you acknowledge men and women are different but then trip and fall on the first hurdle you can find

[Anonymous No.14163386]

>>14163349
>larping
Says you. PoMo has been a blight upon the world ever since Nietzsche first caught syphilis from the perversion of his thoughts, Christ endures though the world does not.