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What are some literature that defend objective beauty in art?

>> No.14149795
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Pic related is a history and exegesis of German Aesthetic rationalism, which the author is a proponent of. Here is his summary of aesthetic rationalism:

1. The central concept, and subject matter, of aesthetics is beauty.
2. Beauty consists in the perception of perfection.
3. Perfection consists in harmony, which is unity in variety.
4. Aesthetic criticism and production is governed by rules, which it is the aim of the philosopher to discover, systematize, and reduce to first principles.
5. Truth, beauty, and goodness are one, different facets of one basic value,
which is perfection.

>> No.14149838

>>14149760
>pic completely unrelated

>> No.14149856

>>14149838
OPs picture is an example of objective beauty

>> No.14149871

>>14149760
Never seen a good argument for it.

>> No.14149896

>>14149760
Off topic but I've seen that girl on the left in other memes on this board. Who's she?

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>>14149871
Pic related is a good argument for the existence of objectively non-beautiful (ugly) "art". So it's clear that there is much to be studied here. Spoiler to not detract from the beauty of the OP.

>> No.14150296

>>14149896
Patchouli Knowledge, from touhou. A bookworm.

>> No.14150414

>>14150224
How is that objective?

>> No.14150429

>>14150414
Looking it at places one in a state of knowledge that this art is ugly.

>> No.14150518

>>14150429
Not me

>> No.14150601

>>14150518
You can chose to deny or suppress this knowledge, but you cannot escape the state where you know that it is ugly.

>> No.14150640

>>14150601
You can chose to deny or suppress this knowledge, but you cannot escape the state where you know that it is beautiful.

>> No.14150650

>>14150640
I _literally_ know that it is ugly. Something cannot be both beautiful and ugly. You learn this in Philosophy 101.

>> No.14150663

>>14150650
I _literally_ know that it is beautiful. Something cannot be both beautiful and ugly. You learn this in Philosophy 101.

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>>14149871
See pic related. He is true beauty and true love. Anything constructed emulating his true love will itself be truly beautiful.

>> No.14150682

>>14150663
>I _literally_ know that it is beautiful.
You cannot know something that is false. You learn this in Philosophy 101.

>> No.14150683

>>14150675
he looks pretty fucking ugly to me.

>> No.14150686

>>14150682
You have to prove something to be false. You learn this in Philosophy 101

>> No.14150697
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What is objective art? Is creativity somehow related with meditation?

Art can be divided into two parts. Ninety-nine percent of art is subjective art. Only one percent is objective art. The ninety-nine percent subjective art has no relationship with meditation. Only one percent objective art is based on meditation. The subjective art means you are pouring down your subjectivity on the canvas, your dreams, your imaginations, your fantasies, your dreams. It is a projection of your psychology in the same way it will be in poetry, in music, in all dimensions of creativity. You are not concerned with the person who is going to see your painting. You are not concerned what will happen to him when he sees your painting; that is not your concern at all. Your art is simply a kind of vomiting. It will help you, just the way vomiting helps. It takes the nausea off, it makes you cleaner, makes you feel healthier. But you have not considered what is going to happen to the person who is going to see your vomit. He will become nauseous. He may start feeling sick.

Look at the paintings of Picasso. He is a great painter, but just a subjective artist. Looking at his paintings, you will start feeling sick, dizzy, something going berserk in your mind. You cannot go on looking at Picasso's painting long enough. You would like to get away, because the painting has not come from a silent being. It has come from a chaos. It is a by product of a nightmare. But ninety-nine percent art belongs to that category.

>> No.14150706

>>14150697
Why would you spend time writing this?

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>>14150683
I did not say that he was beautiful (he was, but that is besides the point), just that he was true beauty itself.

>> No.14150731

>>14150728
How can you be beautiful and a beta?

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>>14150731
Christ is not a beta. He is both an Alpha and an Omega.

>> No.14150757

>>14150738
Why couldn't he have more alpha facial features? He looks like he does heroin.

>> No.14150763

>>14149795
Good post. Just wanted to add that I'm a non-dualist who believes that consciousness is the ultimate reality, and when it perceives it's own character through the senses, perceives it as "Beauty". Hence why we find Beauty in sight of Unity - because Consciousness is a Unity, and when it sees itself, sees Beauty. Beauty is the fundamental property of Consciousness, which we'd see nothing other than if we had no bodies or minds, and were simply Pure Consciousness without any contents.

>> No.14150802

>>14150706
Because he is an artistic being at his soul and you aren't. Pretty simple, I'd say.

>> No.14150898

>>14149795
Yikes.

>> No.14150899

>>14150898
>"Yikes"
Bugman detected.

>> No.14150905

>>14150675
Small heads are evil.

>> No.14150911

https://youtu.be/su3pVP-P9HU

>> No.14150917

>>14150899
Not at all. It's just wrong.

>> No.14150926

>>14150682
>>14150686

Sounds like you guys need to do a Phil 201 class and progress your thinking.

>> No.14150930

>>14150917
You're still a bugman for being incapable of articulating your viewpoint like a proper man.

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>>14150930
>t. poltard who is at heart no different from a bugman

>> No.14150958

>>14150930
>proper men waste their time arguing with retards
Yikes.

>> No.14150971

>>14150946
>posts random American non-sense as an immediate and involuntary response to seeing one of his kind being called what he truly is
see >>14150899

>>14150958
>Yikes
see >>14150899

>> No.14151001

>>14150926
Nice argument

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Koakuma kunny

>> No.14151058

>>14150971
Guaranteed correct though.

>> No.14151092

>>14150224
is that a used asswipe?

>> No.14151116

>>14149760
>Patchouli memeing Remilia into reading Ulysses

>> No.14151135

https://youtu.be/w6Q3mHyzn78

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Bump. also interested in artistic beauty.

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>>14151116
lol