Diogenes: Was he an Ubermensch?

[Anonymous No.14143299]

[Anonymous No.14143306]

>>14143299
No ubermensch has existed you pseud retard

[Anonymous No.14143499]

He was the village idiot

[Anonymous No.14143542]

>be so unter you become uber

[Anonymous No.14143550]

>>14143299
he was a maniac

[Anonymous No.14143654]

he think he may have been the proto-ubermensch, sure.

nietzsche doesn’t really talk about him much, but praises cynicism, and the fact he tore apart Socrates and not Diogenes probably says something

[Anonymous No.14143693]

>>14143654
Nietzsche is embarrassing as a philosopher. The Cynics claimed lineage from Socrates by way of Antisthenes.

[Anonymous No.14143725]

He's a troll

[Anonymous No.14143726]

>>14143654
>nietzsche doesn’t really talk about him much,
That's because he didn't write a single thing, brainlet.

[Anonymous No.14143746]

>>14143693
not in my opinion, i think lack of systematisation really does allow for more integrity to make contradictory statements that may be more correct. if you just say ‘democracy is always good’ you get a rigid worldview if something better comes along, and there are clearly elements of socrates he would have deeply admired, regardless of the criticism

>>14143306
there are potential examples of ubermensch imo, in some shape or another, it doesn’t do the idea much service to say it’s unreachable..

i feel Werner Herzog embodies a lot of those traits as does most of his documentary subjects, from White Diamond, La Soufriere, Wings of Hope, Woodcarver Steiner, etc. Including that tragedy almost always plays a key part of their heroism, not success.

[Anonymous No.14143859]

>>14143725
first of his kinde

[Anonymous No.14144088]

>>14143299
>it's a "the ubermensch is simply someone who feels like he's above everyone else" episode
Why does no one actually read him? Fuck's sake.

[Anonymous No.14144413]

>>14143746
>potential examples of ubermensch
Shut up you fucking pseud retard, what are you even talking about?

[Anonymous No.14145659]

>>14144088
Did Diogenes not create his own values?

[Anonymous No.14145681]

>>14145659
The ubermensch is way more complex than that.

[Anonymous No.14145699]

>>14145681
clearly OP worded it to bait people into discussion

[Anonymous No.14145873]

>>14144413
well for a start the Overman is an ideal, yet N is strictly unidealist, he is ‘this worldly’ rather than ‘other worldly’, so an otherworldly conception of Overman is kind of useless.. hence, some examples of Overman-like individuals in my opinion could be:

[Anonymous No.14146694]

>>14145699
There's a lot about humanity that Diogenes didn't transcend, so it's hard to consider him as an ubermensch. He was definitely a strong personality, but the ubermensch is more like a synthesis of various wills. He's not merely someone who acts outside the herd morality and lives according to his desires like some monster; if he was, many children could be considered the ubermensch then. Nietzsche's third metamorphosis of the spirit, the child, comes AFTER the camel and the lion—it's a return to childish naturalness AFTER the spirit has already collected many burdens, and fiercely synthesized everything it's gathered into a single, hardened will.

[Anonymous No.14146737]

>>14145699
There's a lot about humanity that Diogenes didn't transcend, so it's hard to consider him as an ubermensch. He was definitely a strong personality, but the ubermensch is more like a synthesis of various wills. He's not merely someone who acts outside the herd morality and lives according to his desires like some monster; if he was, many children could be considered the ubermensch then. Nietzsche's third metamorphosis of the spirit, the child, comes AFTER the camel and the lion—it's a return to childish naturalness AFTER the spirit has already collected many burdens, and fiercely synthesized everything it's gathered into a single, hardened will.

The reason why Nietzsche wrote about the ubermensch was to give humanity something higher yet tangible to strive towards in a post-God world. He sees the world like this: there are many kinds of wills... humanity has spent millennia cultivating different kinds of wills, or archetypes if you like. Each of these cultivations is the result of arduous experiments that involved creating many failures along the way, they're the wisdom of generations of various lineages of spirit. Spirit is something part genetic, part culture, the two coming together to produce an effect on our consciousness. We as a species are naturally inclined towards this activity. The ubermensch is the result of taking all these cultivations together, all the wisdom of the human spirit in each of its multiple facets, to create a new archetype, one that synthesizes all the others. We see our progress towards this archetype incrementally in history, though it's not linear, because various factors get in the way of its progress, some of them malevolent and deliberate.

[Anonymous No.14146761]

>>14143299
Not with those delts

[Anonymous No.14146801]

>>14146737
(OP here)
great points. the other anon was correct in saying that I worded it to bait a discussion. obviously he is not THE ubermensch but certainly has some ubermensch qualities in him.
>The ubermensch sleeps on the floor
Who else in history has truly done this?
Ultimately Diogenes accepts "harsh reality" and realizes that all struggle makes him stronger. He rejected Greek (particularly Athenian) civilization like Nietzsche and created his own values.

[Anonymous No.14146807]

What is everyones favorite Diogenes story?

>Diogenes was walking backwards across the Agora, affecting a studied indifference to all who laughed at him. Finally, when he had collected a large following he stopped and announced, “You are laughing at me walking just a little distance backwards while you all lead your entire lives arse-about.”
>“And what’s more,” he asked, “can you change your way of living as easily as this?” Whereupon, he turned on his heel and walked off in normal fashion.