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[Anonymous No.14139371]

Is corporatism fascism?

[Anonymous No.14139373]

yes but also no

[Anonymous No.14139376]

>>14139371
That’s a cute frog. Did you draw it or is it from something?

[Anonymous No.14139381]

>>14139376
read the file name

[Anonymous No.14139384]

>>14139371
No, it may be one of the economic characteristics of fascism, but is not fascism itself.

[Anonymous No.14139386]

>>14139371
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.14139417]

Unhappy people become communists, fascists. Happy people can move towards higher states – they have more freedom, more buoyancy. And more trust. They can trust life – it has given them something, maybe there is more to come

[Anonymous No.14139422]

Fascism is primarily a social movement and not economic. This is why it marketed itself as being both a rejection of communism and capitalism. There's significant differences between the various historical fascism's throughout the world so it's not useful to identify it with any particular economic system. You can be socialist or you can be laissez-faire as it suits the needs of a people.

[Anonymous No.14139432]

>>14139371
>>14139373
>>14139384
>>14139417
>>14139422
Mentally ill freaks

[Anonymous No.14139436]

>>14139432
i'm against fascism and therefore healthy by woke standards

[Anonymous No.14139485]

Yes

[Anonymous No.14139489]

>>14139432
All of those traits can be applied to communists too

[Anonymous No.14139568]

>>14139371
No but fascism is corporatist. Swedish social democracy is a prime example of a corporatist society.

[Anonymous No.14139580]

>>14139381
Insightful

[Anonymous No.14139586]

>>14139376
That's apu newfren

[Anonymous No.14139600]

>>14139371
No. It´s a catholic doctrine. However fascist economic policy was heavily influenced by corporatism.

[Anonymous No.14139680]

corporatism is a greed based ideology that appropriates multiple contradictory ideologies for its purposes. The corporate-institutional apparatus will predominantly preach neoliberalism for trade and lending as in the world economic forum, libertarianism for regulation, and what is preached to the populace is split between liberal individualist tokenism(or if they start losing the class war, cucked progressive democracy (Elizabeth Warren) as a last resort) on the left, and theocratic neoconservativism on the right with right wing populism to pick up the discontents. The institutional apparatus definitely appropriates fascism and funds right wing media, but mainly to AstroTurf a culture war as they carry out their ruthless campaign to replace government with a financial theocracy.
The corporatist praxis is investment in various commodified ideologies that are complement their greed based utilitarianism. Investment means indoctrination through the k-12(look at American textbooks) and universities education, tightly controlled media discourse, the devolution of all aspects of government into various private institutions.
If you want to find out about it, start with the think-tank wormhole it's very telling, like this video I just watched.
https://youtu.be/z2DKG-BtMW4

[Anonymous No.14139693]

Corporatism is literally just capitalism. Stop being a fucking brainlet, it's not like making the observation that "huh maybe the nature of capitalism encourages and facilitates the capture of democratic institutions by the capitalist class" will instantly turn you into a marxist-leninist.

[Anonymous No.14139696]

>>14139373
this

[Anonymous No.14139700]

>>14139586
I always preferred helper, apu will always be that poo from the simpsons. Plus helper is cuter

[Anonymous No.14139712]

>>14139693
The word capitalism was initially just a slur against laissez-faire economics but over time it came to mean laissez-faire economics. That's the way people use the word now. It's a reference to free market principles or limited government intervention and because this is the case, it doesn't make any sense to conflate capitalism with corporatism which involves the government actively intervening with the market. The principles of capitalism and corporatism are contrary.

[Anonymous No.14139869]

>>14139371
The one thing that really sets fascism apart is extreme nationalism, while corporatism is defined by "transnationalism," or globalization.

>>14139712
What this really means is that laissez-faire is the fantasy, and what we have is the reality. "Free markets" have to be heavily enforced by the government (this is merely called "limited intervention" as a bit of propaganda), and since this is the case, the actual result (as the post you responded to pointed out) the economic elite will capture the state and use it to further entrench themselves. In all this, I don't know what one could possibly mean by laissez-faire other than the system we actually have, because this is the system that results when you try to implement laissez-faire ideals.

[Anonymous No.14139889]

>>14139869
laissez-faire only exists when the state is very weak like in frontier American times. No state would ever go for it if they had the choice, whether monarchy, republic, whatever. I've heard the argument from a certain type of reactionary that monarchies are more conducive to laissez-faire economics, they like to bring up Singapore as some kind of proxy, as well as various periods in English history, but idk how much merit there is to these arguments.

[Anonymous No.14139932]

>>14139869
Even if we suppose what you say is true, that laissez-faire inevitably collapses into corporatism, it would still be a misnomer to conflate them simply because one is the corruption of the other. It's like confusing oligarchy with aristocracy. You feel that laissez-faire inevitably turns into corporatism but that sort of language should tip you off. If one turns into another then they can't be the same thing.

[Anonymous No.14139957]

>>14139700
Apu Apustaja is Help Helper in Finnish.

[Anonymous No.14140023]

>>14139371
Fascism is a form of corporatism but corporatism isn't always fascism.

>>14139693
No it's not... "capitalism" is about the autonomous rule by capital of society... corporatism entails the formal recognition of corporate bodies (not just business enterprises), not as fictitious "persons" as in the liberal tradition, and the regulation of all their interactions.

>>14139869
Corporatism might be globalist (Catholic ideal) but it generally is nationalist e.g. German national socialism or older Swedish social democracy.

[Anonymous No.14140063]

>>14139371
The word corporatism has been heavily bastardized. In its original sense, corporatism was an integral, foundational part of fascism. The modern meaning, however, is tantamount to simple corruption.

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[Anonymous No.14140078]

>>14140063
>The modern meaning, however, is tantamount to simple corruption.
Corporatism still means the same thing unless you're talking about the popular vernacular where materialism means consumerism.

[Anonymous No.14140298]

>>14140078
People talk about corporatism in the sense of companies having a lot of influence on the government, and things like that. The original, and fascistic, meaning of corporatism was having sectors of society join interest groups, and having those groups cooperate with each other in the running of society, and advancement of national interest.