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>tell gf the trolley problem
>trying to explain the subjectivity of choice and the uselessness of free will by self inserting in the example
>she tells me she'd kill me and save the other people because theres more of them
What do

>> No.14126877

Hang around in large groups

>> No.14126879

>>14126853
Trolley problem is only a problem for people who without any morals. If you act, you're murdering people who wouldn't have been murdered otherwise. You just don't do anything, easy. Why are 90% of people for murder?

>> No.14126891

>>14126879
haha, i think these people only have one step of consequences they can comput at once.

they don’t think about the second step where they have to explain to everyone why they killed the second group, and the third step they’d have to live with the decision to kill innocent people forever

>> No.14126892

pull out the doctor killing hobo for organs and see if she flip-flops because she is just being emotional

>> No.14126894

>>14126853
Tell her that if she kills herself, she will not contribute to global warming and potentially save millions of people.

Seriously, do something to make her have more exposure to philosophy (like leave Plato's Republic laying on the couch or something), she will pick it up one day and she will question stuff and grow. If you ask her openly, she will be hesitant, she will say she has no time, etc. If she will believe she did it by herself she will eventually dig deeper by herself

>> No.14126897

>>14126879
>why
A vague sense in the equality of life and dissociation from consequences when considering the thought experiment.
>>14126853
Do not discuss philosophy with women and expect insight, you will be disappointed
Don't worry about your abstractions and look her in the eyes when you fuck her

>> No.14127045

>>14126853
Time for some nice quality tkme with my boyfr--
>DURR HEGEL WHITEHEAD GUENON AM I RIGHT
Umm, okay Anon, that's fine and all, how was your day at work at Target toda--
>I AM A PHILOSOPHUH I HAVE DONE SO MUCH RESEARCH ON MUH /lit/
>R-right Anon, you are very intellectual and all, I really think you should go back to college since you dropped out. Let's talk about it, we can make it wor--
>HURR LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MUH TROLLEY PROBLEM

God, I would kill you too, OP

>> No.14127051

>>14126894
>(like leave Plato's Republic laying on the couch or something), she will pick it up one day and she will question stuff and grow
lol

>> No.14127060

>>14126877
fpbp

>> No.14127078

>>14126879
>>14126897
So if a little girl is drowning in a pond and it’s in my power to drag her out and save her but I just walk past and let her die I am not in any way culpable in her death?

>> No.14127089

>>14127078
It's not your fault her parents were too lazy to organize swimming lessons

>> No.14127090

>>14127078
Ignore deontologists, they're not known to be very bright.

>> No.14127094
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>>14127078
Yes.

>> No.14127126

>>14126879
>action is determined by muscular exertion
Absolutely bottom of the barrel tier. There is no such thing as 'not taking action' once you are conscious of the situation. Not touching the lever is as much of a decision as pulling it.
The question of which of the two options is right is another matter entirely and I think it is undetermined. But cucking out of the decision by claiming there is a third option of 'not acting' is false from the general theory of action but also utterly plebeian and sensory materialistic.

>> No.14127132

>>14126853
>a woman is dumb
What else is new?

>> No.14127134

>>14126853
>What do
Finish the story, friggtard
What did you reply?
Were you angry?
Did you cry?

>> No.14127185

>>14127134
Shit and cum maybe?

>> No.14127447

>>14126877
lol

>> No.14127455
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>>14127045
>>R-right Anon, you are very intellectual and all, I really think you should go back to college since you dropped out. Let's talk about it, we can make it wor--
delete this right fucking now

>> No.14127486

>>14126877
>>14126853
OPs GF explaining civilisation in a single sentence..

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>>14126894
T.

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>>14127126
What if I close my eyes and just flick the switch back and fourth at random?

>> No.14128112

>>14126853
Reminder that whoever tied up the people is the real murderer.

>> No.14128127

If you want to break up with your girlfriend, just do it. No need to force her to do it by boring her with topics she couldn't possibly understand or take an interest in. Let her go to a man who knows what women are for.

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>>14126853
>gf
get out normie

>> No.14128261

>>14127126
The true third action is to break the lever off, the fourth is to derail the trolly with a well timed pull.

>> No.14128269

>>14128112
Whoever made the trolley is the true culprit

>> No.14128275

Anyone who cares about this is a pseud. This sort of ethics is for babies who can’t into actual philosophy

>> No.14128284

>utilitarians still fucking exist

>> No.14128311

>>14127078
>I am not in any way culpable in her death?
Legally, no. If you were capable and refused? It's up to your conscience.

>> No.14128361

>>14127078
Why would I, someone capable of not drowning in a pond, risk my safety, and potentially my life, saving someone who demonstrably isn't?
She ought to learn to swim, and FAST.
Not my fault she spent her childhood pursuing hedonistic endeavors like eating sweets and learning shapes instead of something useful like swimming.

>> No.14128450

>>14126853
People shouldn't be on trolley tracks.

>> No.14128467

>>14127078
>walk past hobo schizzing out in the street every day
>don't get involved, don't call for medical services to be brought
>???
>according to /lit/ I am a one man hobo genocide machine

yes you retard.

>> No.14128473

>>14126853
she's right retard

>> No.14128482
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14128482

Fuck Deontologists

>> No.14128498

>>14126879
It's always nice starting off the day with a reminder of how retarded people are

>> No.14129087

>>14126853
Tell her to go fuck all the other people as she will bring more pleasure to more people.

>> No.14129272

>>14128361
>hedonistic endeavours
>learning shapes

lmaoing irl

>> No.14129616

>>14128361
damn kek women really do be eating sweets

>> No.14129808

>>14128311
>Legally, no.
That may be the case in the land of *nglos, but in (continental) Europe you are legally obligated to aid someone or call for help, unless doing so would put you in danger as well.

>> No.14129856

>>14128311
Unless it puts you in physical danger you'd rightfully go to jail in the civilized side of Europe for not aiding some in immediate mortal danger

>> No.14129893

>>14127126
It's not even 'materialistic'. I'm a physicalist, I don't believe in free will, and it's obvious to me that being aware of the situation and not using the lever is as much a part of the deterministic chain as using it.

Ironically, I think that 'imperative' position is more likely to be produced by philosophic idealism.