/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.14125448]

Has there ever been an iceberg chart for /lit/?

[Anonymous No.14125509]

bottom is evola and crowley

[Anonymous No.14125513]

>>14125509
First layer under the surface newfag

[Anonymous No.14125523]

I have it, but I'm not going to share!

[Anonymous No.14125527]

make it a /lit/ conspiracies iceberg.
Pynchon died in the 70s and dfw begain writing under his name. faked death in order to fully dedicate himself.

[Anonymous No.14125546]

>>14125509
>crowley
my ex gf was into that gay shit. its cringe not to mention unholy

[Anonymous No.14125566]

[Anonymous No.14125634]

>>14125509

Imagine being his fucking basic.

[Anonymous No.14125686]

The bottom is Harry Potter

[Anonymous No.14125714]

TVHC has to be second from bottom at least.

[Anonymous No.14125892]

>>14125509
HOLLEEEEYYYY SHIIEETT

[Anonymous No.14125902]

>>14125566
checkd, but there's not a fucking iceberg on that iceberg picture. am I going to have to do it?

[Anonymous No.14126270]

>>14125566
>tolkien
>YA fantasy
>lacks substance
>same tier as King, Bukowski, Atwood, and Vonnegut
>Not a Hyperborean Grail myth that unified traditionalism with the push for understanding the relevance of linguistics to epistemology without devolving into modernist scientistic babble
>Tolkien on the same tier as Clancy
Absolutely DROPPED

[Anonymous No.14126290]

>>14125686
True, but it is also at the top

[Anonymous No.14126323]

>>14126270
I read Tolkien when I was 7 bro (not meming), it is about as accessible as it gets, putting it in YA is generous.

[Anonymous No.14126330]

>>14126323

The Silmarillion is a fucking work of art. Read some Jung and Campbell and realize you need to reevaluate Tolkien.

[Anonymous No.14126351]

>>14125509
No, >>14125513 is right. Bottom is when you're reading Mariano Iberico in the original Spanish. A little above you find grey literature on the Donatists, or on 9th century BC Assyria-Urartu border petty kingdoms. Above that, you're reading Herbart and Bolzano. Somewhere above, you're reading scans of the 17th century editions of The Bloudy Tenent of Persecution. It'll be a little later that you're reading Cesar Vallejo's Trilce, in the Spanish and English both. Next, you're reading Carnap's Aufbau. Only after that do you finally hit Fichte's Wissenschaftslehre Schelling's System of Transcendental Idealism. You can start to see the light from here. Soon you'll be out of the water and you can read Umberto Eco or something. You look up, and what do you see at the tip? Lo! Infinite Jest.

[Anonymous No.14126362]

>>14126323
Yeah and just because you watched porn when you were 7 too didn't make you not a virgin

[Anonymous No.14126366]

At the very bottom is The Ego and Its Own

[Anonymous No.14126386]

>>14125566
>tfw comfortably in tiers 2-3
I own Dubliners but now I’m too frightened to start

[Anonymous No.14126389]

Bottom is John Money

[Anonymous No.14126394]

>>14126386
don't be intimidated it's very accessible
The Dead is a common favorite

[Anonymous No.14126399]

>>14126386
Dubliners is babay's basic Joyce. Come back when you tear your hair out after the first passage in Finnegans Wake

[Anonymous No.14126401]

>>14125448
The iceberg is compromised

[Anonymous No.14126406]

>>14125566
>bottom of the iceberg
>mostly jews
What did anon mean by this?

[Anonymous No.14126408]

>>14126386
dubliners isn't a very hard read, the most inaccessible aspect of it is that many of the stories will probably bore you to death if you aren't really engaging with the text

[Anonymous No.14126411]

>>14126394
>>14126399
Okay, that’s good to know. I thought the tierlist didn’t have early-era Joyce but for some reason they just used his first name for that one.

[Anonymous No.14126413]

>>14126411
Nevermind I’m retarded, that’s a different James. In that case early-Joyce isn’t present.

[Anonymous No.14126428]

>>14125566
pleb-and-jewcore.

[Anonymous No.14126439]

>>14125566
Abstruse writing doesn't make something high quality just because it's abstruse. Stein and late-era Burroughs are obvious garbage.

[Anonymous No.14126442]

>>14125566
Late era Joyce is not hard. The bottom stuff should all be foreign language religious texts imho, reading maths proofs for fun, and learning cuneiform and tangut so you can read things no one else can

[Anonymous No.14126444]

>>14126439
Let alone Gass, the original pseud's pseud.

[Anonymous No.14126457]

>>14125566
>no Goethe
>no philosophy in general
Are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.14126460]

>>14126457
It was made in a darker time, a time when /lit/ was mostly populated by overcompensating left-wing English lit majors who namefagged and talked to eachother in chitchatrooms like a bunch of little queers.

[Anonymous No.14126467]

>>14126460
One of them is still left from that time: Butterfly, the last namefag left standing out of that bunch.

[Anonymous No.14126472]

>>14126467
She remains like a living obelisk, to remind us of how bad things once were. Any time someone says "gee I wish /lit/ were mostly English majors" they can look at Butterfly's posts and feel complete terror.

[Anonymous No.14126517]

>>14126444
Gass is great go fuck your mother; you disgusting son of pig

[慈禧太后, Il Vate [herrn ossian 'o(...) No.14126531]

>>14125566
this is all 'memefic' its like this person is some middle-aged /lit/-browsing bore Parteigenossen Parteigenossinnen

[Anonymous No.14126548]

>>14125566

Level 4 thanks to Pynchon and DeLillo.

Interested in picking up Woolf and Nabakov at some point.

What do I win now?

[Anonymous No.14126579]

>>14126270
Like the other anon says, it's not about the depth of the work it's about its accessibility

[Anonymous No.14126901]

>>14125448

[Anonymous No.14126921]

>>14126548
3 GBP, u keep readin okiedokie sweetums ;)
u gotta be a BIG BOI to surpass your selected author that you will overcome as per the late Harold Bloom's (May Christ guard his Jewish soul) Anxiety of Influence©

[Anonymous No.14127025]

>>14126901
>mathematical platonism
Based. Anyway I'm 729 times happier than you faggot so deal with it.

[Anonymous No.14127053]

>>14125448
>the Bible literally in the sky
Just no

[Anonymous No.14127067]

>>14126901
Holy shit im unironically the bottom one. Fucking kill me

[Anonymous No.14127091]

>>14127067
>comebine CG Jungs gnosticism, platonism, neo-platonism, christian mysticism, Dostoyevsky's existentialism and Bach's mysticism and aesthetics
better

[Anonymous No.14127203]

>>14126901
The non-lefty version of this is just the top layer left intact and all the other layers filled with a big picture of Carl Schmitt, and the pictures on the right indicating the reader also being replaced with different pictures of Carl Schmitt. Personally, I think that would be a much better chart than this one.

[Anonymous No.14127246]

>>14126901
I reee'd a bit at Neoplatonism being so high up. Then I read the bottom.

[Anonymous No.14127257]

>>14126460
>>14126467
>>14126472
Really, is that true? I guess I can see some remnants of that definitely. When I started browsing /lit/ in 2017 it even seemed more left-wing then.

[Anonymous No.14127266]

>>14127203
>Carl Schmitt
So what did he actually like? I'm aware he wrote on power and economics and was a nice looking person.

[Anonymous No.14127273]

>>14127246
Quick rundown on Penrose? I know nothing about him but have read Plato.

[Anonymous No.14127374]

>>14127273
The emergence of a superpositioned/uncertain particle into certainty and fixed position is the root of consciousness and choice. The "cloud" is an indecision, literally, and fixed position is a concluded proto-choice.
Also the universe is eternal and cycles from maximum entropy where it then resets and starts over (entropically), the arrow of time still continues eternally forward.

[Anonymous No.14127411]

>>14127374
What about his thoughts on equations proving man something but not in abstract proving it. Can't that just be understood as the essential knowings of mankind limited by the expansiveness of the universe and so unknowable in its ultimatum?

[Anonymous No.14127854]

>>14126901
This is a very accurate representation of the real world and not an internet culture's imagination of it. Good job

[Anonymous No.14127888]

>>14125566
>Eco under Bolano and Borjes
Yaiks

[Anonymous No.14127934]

>>14125566
/lit/ circa 2016 was interesting. Also, level 4 thanks to Pynchon and Woolf.

[Anonymous No.14127965]

>>14126386
Dude Dubliners is smooth sailing compared to Ulysses

[Anonymous No.14128008]

>>14126901
who here /surrealism/

[Anonymous No.14128032]

>>14125448
DONE

[Anonymous No.14128048]

>>14127965
THE WAKE AWAITS

[慈禧太后, Il Vate [herrn ossian 'o(...) No.14128159]

>>14128032
have you ever considered reading something that wasn't on a reddit 'top 100' list

[Anonymous No.14128369]

>>14127411
No its related to his theory of consciousness. Knowing is computation, dialectical, memory... The things computerd do.
But "understanding" transcends knowledge/computation. We can intuit beyond what math can prove (we for example require this intuition to use knowledge in the first place). "Can't get and Ought from an Is." Yet here we are producing results all the time.

[Anonymous No.14128386]

>>14127411
>>14128369
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penrose%E2%80%93Lucas_argument

[Anonymous No.14129100]

>>14126921
Thank (you)

[Anonymous No.14129123]

>>14125566
>Atwood lower than Orwell
>Huxley lower than Austen
>Mishima that low
>Tolkein that high

[Anonymous No.14129161]

>>14125566
>tolkien on the top
Tolkien universe was created through God's song which isnt far fetched from our universe, kys faggot

[Anonymous No.14129163]

>>14126366
Based and ownness-pilled

[Anonymous No.14129168]

>>14128032
You forgot Calvino, faggot

[Anonymous No.14129345]

>>14125566
>>14125566
The lower you go the more ridiculous some of the inclusions get.

Mailer? Barnes? Theroux?

I mean, I quite like those guys, but they're in the wrong company here.

[Anonymous No.14129778]

>>14126901
>pro-choice below pro-life
Pro-choice is what all the brainwashed normen support without questioning

[Anonymous No.14129840]

>>14125509
Yo I just got my first evola book yesterday.

[Anonymous No.14130102]

>>14125448
One time, I saw a thread where some people were having a conversation that asserted that Memes could very well be alive and sentient. I'm not sure if it's philosophy or metaphysics, but probably both. I'd put it below the foot of the iceberg, maybe below that.

[Anonymous No.14130640]

>>14125448
put the Bible on both ends

[Anonymous No.14131408]

>>14130640
this

[Anonymous No.14132218]

>>14129778
pro life is exclusively for "sanctity of life" niggers. the majority of people choice people are the same way with some mental gymnastics to reconcile their views, but the few people who realize it's murder and still support it put it a step above pro choice. everybody should be sterilized to avoid bringing another generation into this hellhole, but not many people would agree for it to happen so voluntary abortion is the best alternative.

[Anonymous No.14132225]

>>14128159
>>14129168
Ok bro put it on the top ::D

[Anonymous No.14132430]

>>14132218
>everybody should be sterilized to avoid bringing another generation into this hellhole
pleb opinion

[Anonymous No.14132515]

>>14126901
>freudian psychoanalysis at stage 4
my sides

[Anonymous No.14133331]

>>14128032

[Anonymous No.14133341]

>>14132218
I'm always here to send you a length of rope if you ever feel like it's time to stop being a hypocritical pseud.

[Anonymous No.14133404]

>>14125448
>the Bible is at the top
Anon, I...

[Anonymous No.14133421]

>>14125566
>no greeks, no romans, no other writers of antiquity

[Anonymous No.14133884]

>>14133331
>Nabakov

[Anonymous No.14134619]

>>14133404
Well it is a very popular book. You do understand how this meme works, right?