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[Anonymous No.14121643]

Why do catholics tolerate this evil man. He is insincere. He is uncharitable and dishonest. He has some strange fetish for capital punishment. He is a clone made to discredit Catholicism by infesting it with his trite Americanisms.

He will not lead you to truth. He is a crude polemicist and a bore. he defames Aquinas by association

[Anonymous No.14121681]

>>14121643
why is he evil? he's definitely less evil than david bentley hard

[Anonymous No.14121682]

>>14121643
You're making some pretty major assumptions here, OP
First, you're assuming that anyone on /lit/ has actually read Feser. Second, you're assuming that anyone on here who has read Feser is capable of forming any sort of critical conception of what they read. Third, you're assuming that anyone here who has read Feser and who has understood it to some degree will possess enough cognitive prowess to mount a critique of his writings.
Sadly, the only people on here you're going to get are people who skimmed his wikipedia page (or rationalwiki page, more likely) and then spout buzzword chocked non-sentiments. So you're thread will most likely die with under ten replies.
I agree that he is mostly in it for the publicity and money and polemics is how you drum those things up, however, he's a decent intro to some exceptionally complex scholastic thought. The issue becomes when people start citing him as a definitive authority on Thomism (like that dilettante Jay Dyer).
I think his level of celebrity speaks more to the drought of contemporary theologians more than anything. I'm still looking for some good ones myself.

[Anonymous No.14121744]

>>14121643
>evil man
How?
>insincere
You can read his mind?
>uncharitable
Rhetorical embellishment isn't uncharitable
>dishonest
Proof?
>He will not lead you to truth.
As opposed to whom?

[Anonymous No.14121765]

>>14121643
If you're going to criticize something, then offer an alternative. I deeply appreciate being able to hear another catholic voice that is not a 1,600 year old document. If you can give some other Catholics worth listening to then I would be more than happy to give them a shot, but this is just character assassination.

[Anonymous No.14121814]

>>14121765
I'm not OP but I suggest Jean Borella and Wolfgang Smith.

[Anonymous No.14121860]

>>14121814
Thank you. I've got a list of books from Lit I want to eventually read (Near triple digits at this point), and I really want to have more active Catholic voices providing guidance. Always appreciate more sources.

[Anonymous No.14121870]

>>14121765
the 20th century has lots of catholics like etienne gilson, henri de lubac, etc.
more recently i've been interested in radical orthodoxy which is more of an anglican thing but it has john milibank etc.

[Anonymous No.14121887]

>>14121643
I don't find him particularly uncharitable, although he does seem to be rather slippery when he discusses Hume. He uses the classic strawman about "Hume thinks concepts are images!" + his blogpost on inductive skepticism was particularly bad.

[Anonymous No.14122038]

Also his comment section is cancer, I much prefer 4chan style vulgarity over these passive aggressive sanctimonious little shits

[Anonymous No.14122051]

what the fuck do you expect reading the primary philisophical inspirator of nick "slippery nick" fuentes, a literal neo-nazi who denies the holocaust

[Anonymous No.14122225]

>>14122051
Does Fuentes actually reads Feser please give me a source if you are not dankposting

What a funny coincidence, I was watching the debate with Destiny yesterday

[Anonymous No.14122234]

>>14122225
Nah, I'm just fucking about. Someone needs to get him reading Feser, though, wud be laff

[Anonymous No.14122288]

>>14122234
Heh he actually made a point in the 2 vs 2 debate with Sargon that he rejects the idea that everything must be empirically verified and he believes that you can justify some things a priori, it kinda sounded like a crude take on Feser so I thought you might be into something

[Anonymous No.14122333]

I never engaged with this guy, only ever heard of him in passing, but he looks like a smug irl shitposter, like I would imagine the best Catholic LARPers on here would look like in 20 years. Does my impression have any truth to it?

[Anonymous No.14122384]

>>14122333
Kind of, he always posts superhero comic book panels in his blogposts about philosophy and he very often employs a polemical or sarcastic tone. For an academic philosopher he is as close to a memelord as they come

[Anonymous No.14122392]

>>14122051
>a literal neo-nazi who denies the holocaust
shut the fuck up GORKA

[Anonymous No.14122395]

>>14122288
>he rejects the idea that everything must be empirically verified and he believes that you can justify some things a priori
Sounds like Fideism. Feser, on his blog, said that he is "appalled by Fideism."

[Anonymous No.14122398]

>>14122225
>Does Fuentes actually reads Feser
Yes, he does. He displayed a copy in one of his debates

[Anonymous No.14122407]

>>14122288
>you can justify some things a priori
Yeah, like: should we send our women to go to war for Israel, rather than to be stay home moms. He was arguing against Destiny who's a massive empiricist cuck

[Anonymous No.14122409]

>>14121814
>Wolfgang Smith
>evolution denier
>worth reading

[Anonymous No.14122419]

>>14122409

[Anonymous No.14122422]

>>14122395
A priori synthetic reasoning is Rationalism, not Fideism. Feser thinks that the human mind can know some truths directly without the mediation of the senses, that's his entire shtick

>>14122398
Do you remember which one was it?

[Anonymous No.14122428]

>>14121682
>>14121744
>>14121765
>>14121814
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>>14121887
>>14122225
>>14122333
>>14122288
>>14122395
>>14122392
>>14122409
Why do you still associate with the catholic church even after hundreds of years of pure evil, pedophilia, war and oppression? Even today, with the nag hammadi, we know that Jesus was a supreme gnostic teacher and the catholic church formed as a reaction to the truth that is gnosticism. Why would anyone in 2019 be interested in an old oppressive church with no gnosis? Enjoy giving your money for 'faith', I guess.

[Anonymous No.14122430]

Capital punishments is the pillar of a healthy civilization.
t. De Maistre

[Anonymous No.14122437]

>>14122422
>Do you remember which one was it?
why, do you work for Charlie Kirk? Are you going to make Feser disavow Nick?

[Anonymous No.14122438]

>>14122428
>the Gospel of Thomas
>accurate
LMAO

[Anonymous No.14122457]

>>14122288
>>14122422
Thomism is closer to empiricism than rationalism

[Anonymous No.14122459]

>>14122457
Thomism is closer to ur mom

[Anonymous No.14122477]

Look, I do not know this man — all I know is that Brian Davies is the best contemporary scholar on Thomism. His book, "The Thought of Thomas Aquinas," is a great introduction for any serious student. Hell, he even edited the Oxford World Classics edition of Anselm's major works. Also, perhaps surprisingly, Umberto Eco wrote a good book on the aesthetics of Aquinas. So rather than get involved in further shitflinging, I would council anyone just to read Davies.

[Anonymous No.14122485]

>>14122457
"Rationalism" doesn't just mean Leibniz, every philosophical doctrine which affirms that synthetic judgments can be a priori justified is Rationalist. That includes Aquinas and even Kant.

[Anonymous No.14122508]

>>14122477
Kenny is still alive. He's a good Thomas scholar too.

[Anonymous No.14122675]

Catholicism only exists in the Mediterranean. Anglos, G*rmanics, etc. are all just LARPers.

[Anonymous No.14122719]

>>14122675
>Germanics are just LARPers
This makes no sense. Over a quarter of Germans identify as Catholic, and over half of Austrians. The Goths converted to Christianity in the 4th century. Also, Northern French are not Meds.

[Anonymous No.14123126]

>>14121682
Based

[Anonymous No.14123142]

Who are the best Catholic philosophers of the 20th and 21st centuries, bros?

[Anonymous No.14123151]

>>14122508
Kenny is trained as a Roman Catholic priest, and made significant contributions to Analytical Thomism.

However he is now an agnostic. So it's clear he's a soiboy retard who doesn't know SHIT about Thomism.

If anything Kenny needs to read some Feser, who obviously has the superior grasp of Thomas' holy truth.

[Anonymous No.14123472]

bump

[Anonymous No.14123876]

>>14123142
McIntyre and Anscombe.

[Anonymous No.14124693]

Edward Feser is a character portrayed by Tim Heidecker

[Anonymous No.14125411]

>>14122675
>he thinks the Church is an ethnic club

I have some news for you, friend.

[Anonymous No.14125487]

>>14121643
Manuel Valls has certainly gained some weight

[Anonymous No.14125528]

>>14121870
>radical orthodoxy
>john milbank
if you can cut through the obtuse prose you'll realize it's cringe. if you need confirmation just check the dude's twitter account.

[Anonymous No.14125990]

>>14123142
Jacques Maritain
>At the Sorbonne, Jacques and Raïssa soon became disenchanted with scientism, which could not, in their view, address the larger existential issues of life. In 1901, in light of this disillusionment, they made a pact to commit suicide together if they could not discover some deeper meaning to life within a year. They were spared from following through on this because, at the urging of Charles Péguy, they attended the lectures of Henri Bergson at the Collège de France. Bergson's critique of scientism dissolved their intellectual despair and instilled in them "the sense of the absolute." Then, through the influence of Léon Bloy, they converted to the Roman Catholic faith in 1906.
https://youtu.be/ysHIjrV6asQ

[Anonymous No.14126734]

>>14125990
nice

[Anonymous No.14126744]

>>14125411
>refuses to recognise amakusa shirou as a saint cos he was a warmonger and shieet

[Anonymous No.14127537]

>>14121870
>>14125990
>nouvelle théologie
>anything but cancer
Don't be so gullible.