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What 19th century philosopher should I start with? Is starting with Hegel fine, or do I need to read Kant first?
>inb4 "read this medieval or ancient philosopher first"
no fuck off

>> No.14110958

Sumerians>Egyptians>Hindu>Greeks>Romans>Muslims>Descartes>Spinoza>Kant>Hegel

>> No.14110966

>>14110958
Start with Kant, got it.

>> No.14110991

>>14110958
>Sumerians>Egyptians>Hindu>Greeks>Romans>Muslims>Spinoza>Kant>Hegel
ftfy

>> No.14111000

>>14110966
You should at least read the Stanford articles on Plato, Aristotle and Spinoza before going into Kant

>> No.14111027

>>14110949
You literally won't know what Hegel is talking about without reading ancient philosophers first. What do you think philosophy is? Random voices on random subjects?

Like another anon said, at least read the stanford articles on his predecessors before attempting to read Hegel. This is for your own sake, not in any way to be elitist.

>> No.14111062

Read Hegel's Lectures on history, philosophy, and religion. Best place to start. Literally for students. Then read PoS and/or the Logic. Supposedly the encyclopedias are good too but I haven't read them yet. PoR is also important but less of the metaphysical Hegel people are interested in. There's a lot of some good secondary literature -- such as that by Beiser and Pinkard and Inwood for the more orthodox interpretations and on the continental side you got Hyppolite, Kojeve, and Zizek with hot takes.

>> No.14111089

Hegel is interesting but the amount of effort one puts into the lecture is worthless, his dialect only hides knowledge we already know(I assume you're not an idiot). I would rather read Nietzsche or the Greeks, at least with them I can take insight in subject matters I know very little of.

>> No.14111139

>>14111000
>>14111027
I've listened to the Stefan Molyneux vid, I think I've got it covered (joke).
Is this the Standford article you're referring to?
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/plato-ethics/

>> No.14111149

>>14110949
A mediocre mind like you would not benefit from the majesty of medieval philosophy anyway. Enjoy tending the garden.

>> No.14112184

>>14111139
I'm not sure if this is too mean to say but I can't help myself. I find your sense of humor completely insufferable.

>> No.14112195

>>14110949
Kant is based and hegel is retarded but its your life

>> No.14112207

>>14112195
A completely empty statement bereft of any sign of competence on the subject

>> No.14112219

>>14112207
Hoes mad

>> No.14112239

>>14111139
That's the website but there's plenty of articles on the guys I listed that you should probably give a look at, especially in terms of metaphysics, ethics and aesthetics

>> No.14112248

>>14112219
The height of Kantianism

>> No.14112306

>>14112219
I love kant, but really>>14112248
Hegel is kinda conceptual for my liking, but He is still very much an important read.

>> No.14112318

>>14110949
You should unironically start with Aristotle/Plato. Then Kant and then Schelling/Fichte. Then Hegel.

>> No.14112866

>>14111000
You need Hume and Leibniz more than Spinoza for Kant

>> No.14113128

>>14112866
this.

>> No.14113180

Start with Kant. Then skip Hegel and move directly to Schopenhauer. Never return.