/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.14107750]

What is the most /lit/ religion?

[Anonymous No.14107754]

>>14107750
Islam

[Anonymous No.14107755]

[Anonymous No.14107775]

Christianity

[Anonymous No.14107829]

Zoroastrianism

[Anonymous No.14107843]

>>14107750
Not sihk or Baha'i, too new
Everything else is fine
Druze maybe

[Anonymous No.14107849]

>>14107750
Christianity obviously.

[Anonymous No.14107852]

>>14107750
Atheism

[Anonymous No.14107887]

>>14107750
Whatever gets you to write something.

[Anonymous No.14107937]

>>14107750
Is taoism even a religion?

[Anonymous No.14107969]

>>14107750
It’s pantheism or agnosticism
But of those you’ve listed it’s Christianity because European literature (and by extension almost all literature from the new world) was so influenced by it and European literature is the best literature

[Anonymous No.14107980]

>>14107937
Yes. There's really two forms of "Taoism though, "pure" Taoism and "folk" Taoism, "pure" didn't really survive communism though.

[Anonymous No.14107989]

Considering the inaccessibility of everything on that list apart from Christianity or Islam, it really isn't a choice.

[Anonymous No.14107993]

>>14107852
There's nothing less lit than being an atheist and talking about it without being asked

[Anonymous No.14108002]

>>14107750
Hinduism is the most redpilled one

[Anonymous No.14108017]

>>14107750
The American religion.

[Anonymous No.14108019]

>>14107750
Christianity, in no small part due to this mad lad

[Anonymous No.14108033]

>>14107750
If I were to rank them, Buddhism would be first, Hinduism along with Gnosticism and Zoroastrianism and Sufism second, third Christianity, and everything else below these.

[Anonymous No.14108037]

>>14108019
cringe and aristotle-plagiarismpilled, Augustine was more important and more based

[Anonymous No.14108042]

[Anonymous No.14108073]

>>14108033
>Purple prose and commentary on commentaries on commentaries first

[Anonymous No.14108083]

LaVeyan Satanism

[Anonymous No.14108087]

hellenismos

[Anonymous No.14108175]

>>14107980
Whats the difference?

[Anonymous No.14108214]

>>14108033
this, but put Judaism ahead of Christianity

[Anonymous No.14108236]

>>14108175
Meditation, internal alchemy, immortalism, herbs, etc = "pure"

Hell money, cult worship, incense, ancestor worship, etc = "folk"

[Anonymous No.14108240]

>>14108073
Buddhism has purple prose? the pali texts are as straightforward as religious texts get

[Anonymous No.14108327]

honestly zoroastrianism.

fire temples.

[Anonymous No.14108337]

>>14107750
Buddhism obviously, it has hundreds of thousands of sacred texts.

[Anonymous No.14108427]

>>14108236
There are plenty of "pure" Taoist texts that have survived the Cultural Revolution. There must be some hermits or monks who still practice it.

[Anonymous No.14108507]

>>14107750
I'm not even sure about this ranking but whatever:
Buddhism=Christianity=Hinduism>Taoism>Islam>Judaism>Sikhism>Shinto>Bahai

[Anonymous No.14108540]

The Bhagavad Gita

[Anonymous No.14108641]

>>14108236
theres non mystical tao
>see: taoism for heterosexuals

[Anonymous No.14108687]

>>14107750
hinduism obviously

the priest class was economically reliant on the scholar class so it had no choice but to support it

[Anonymous No.14108694]

>>14107750
WORLD RELIGIONS, RANKED
1. Catholicism
2. Islam
3. The rest
-28935. Atheism

[Anonymous No.14108699]

>>14107750
Whatever Baruch Spinoza believed in, Dualist Pantheism

[Anonymous No.14108704]

>>14107750
Christianity because jewish shills keep spamming 4chan

[Anonymous No.14108705]

Oriental Orthodoxy.

[Anonymous No.14108753]

>>14108019
Wtf Aquinas looked like a fat gabagool eating goombah? I always imagined him as a GigaChad. Dropped.

[Anonymous No.14108779]

Is it weird if I view Buddhism as less of a religion and more of a philosophy? I constantly find myself melding it's concepts with my actual faith

[Anonymous No.14108787]

>>14108641
This. When you read the internal alchemy texts, you find that Taoism is explicitly Right Hand mysticism.

[Anonymous No.14108792]

>>14108779
You don't find it weird because you are a Western modernist. Real Buddhists believe in spirits and ghosts, and they have their own concept of heaven and hell.

[Anonymous No.14108803]

>>14107852
Not a religion

[Anonymous No.14108804]

>>14107750
jain!

[Anonymous No.14108805]

>>14107750
>Christianity
The GOAT religion. The focus on the continuously fallible nature of man and the exploration of human sin is unmatched by any other religion. It has made the greatest contribution to human art, philosophy, and science throughout history.10/10

>Islam
The polemic, dogmatic nature stifles any real philosophical development. Despite claiming to be an Abrahamic religion, it is theologically, stylistically, and philosophically inconsistent with every other work from both Judaism and Christianity. The only redeeming feature is the prohibition on depictions of God and Mohammed and the beautiful geometric artwork it inspires. 1/10

>Hinduism
Ultimately bronze age polytheism, transplanted to the modern day, despite the myriad influences that have transformed it since. The naturalistic, mystic feel and sense of the cosmos as something dictated to an animalistic man resonates in a way no other religion does. Of all modern religions it comes closest to approaching the state of man in his earliest days on the planet. 8/10

>Buddhism
The focus body of work on the soul and the nature of man is unmatched. It has the greatest insight into emotion, pain and suffering, and the human condition of any religious tradition. The only detractor is the lack of any real insight into the nature of reality that extends beyond the experience of consciousness. 9/10

>Taoism
More philosophy than religion. Wishy-washy theologic principles make it meaningless as anything but an ethical guide. 3/10

>Baha'i
The religious equivalent of 'I listen to everything except country and rap'. 2/10

>Sikhism
An interesting merger of middle eastern monotheism with the philosophical precepts of eastern religions. Unfortunately it hasn't been around long enough to develop a proper body of theologic works the way other religions have. 5/10

>Judaism
See Christianity above, with which it shares most of its philosophy and theology, but more mystic compared with Christianity's more scientific theology and apologia. Ultimately, the inward clan-based focus and inherent ritualism limit it. 8/10

>Shinto
Not really a religion, just Japanese folk traditions that survived into Buddhism the same way pagan traditions continued on through Christianity in Europe. Impressive as a cultural tradition, but serious belief in it is on par with people who believe in fairies or leprechauns. 6/10

[Anonymous No.14108809]

>>14108779
it's both but it definitely has 'supernatural' elements, heavens and hells, ghosts, however you don't really have to interact with those things to practice it and become awakened.

[Anonymous No.14108845]

>>14108805
Only will comment on what I'm familiar with.
>Islam
>beautiful geometric artwork it inspires
Well, they actually got their architecture from Byzantium. Even their chants come from Christianity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGJcF7FFrBA
>but more mystic compared with Christianity's more scientific theology and apologia. Ultimately, the inward clan-based focus and inherent ritualism limit it. 8/10
Kabbalah is "mystic" but it's a totally bizarre cultish form of witchcraft. Not sure what you're saying applies here.

[Anonymous No.14108872]

>>14108805
islam is very consitent with judaism, it only differs when it comes to jesus, islam says he was a man prophet and judaism says he was an imposter who is burning in boiling excrement .

[Anonymous No.14108877]

>>14108805
>Polemic, dogmatic

The truth is One anon. There is no doubt about it. Why are you so afraid of surety? Are you afraid of it's purity and conviction? There is a reason why it's hard to accept. For every other piece of idealogy that we have grown to accept has holes in it. So we assume anything worth believing in to be similarly incomplete, believing ourselves to be good enough to fill those holes, owning something for ourselves, which makes it more 'genuine'.

But you cannot know all the answers. You aren't bigger than yourself and your shortcomings. There can be a constant and absolute Truth. There has to be one, for our views are fickle and easily bent, which is why we crave certainty, which is why religion has to sustain us. Why aren't you willing to accept your ignorance and accept the Divine Truth?

[Anonymous No.14108878]

>>14108872
>consitent
I meant consistent*

[Anonymous No.14108879]

>>14107750
too broad. most of these categories are big enough to include several different ideologies that are at complete odds with each other, think of Protestantism and Catholicism, or Sufi and Sunni Islam

[Anonymous No.14108902]

>>14107750
Christianity

[Anonymous No.14108933]

>>14108872
The nature of man in Judaism (and Christianity) is depicted as continuously sinful and doubting. Even people who God has revealed Himself to still struggle with faith. For instance, Moses striking the rock twice or Ezekiel in the cave. By contrast, Islam treats faith as a black and white divide. Once you have the truth of Islam revealed to you, you either accept it fully or reject it and are condemned. If, after accepting God, you express any doubt, then you are an apostate and likewise condemned.

Never mind the fact that the entirety of the Torah is concerned with either the Jewish people or the land of Israel. Arabs and an Arabian prophet are not mentioned a single time. You can credibly argue that certain passages of the Torah refer to Jesus, but it's impossible to find anything in it that could be talking about Mohammed.

[a_poor_sinner !!eiHxl4pZe1i No.14108937]

>>14107750
>that chart
>no Klingon religion

[Anonymous No.14108941]

>>14107750
Which religion did not burn books?

[Anonymous No.14108942]

>>14108002

Based

[Anonymous No.14108958]

>>14108933
I meant the consistency when it comes to god being one and how no depictions of god should be made and other religious laws, like no pork etc etc.
> Arabs and an Arabian prophet are not mentioned a single time
mohammed is the most mentioned person in the quran, he isn't mentioned by name but rather when god commands him to tell the people, you would notice many verses start with "tell them" or "they ask you". when it comes to faith, yes islam is very strict, also its view of prophets is very strict.

[Anonymous No.14108959]

>>14108872
>islam is very consitent with judaism
No, it isn't. It literally teaches that Adam (later, Abraham and Ishmael) built the pagan box they worship today. For some reason there isn't a Levitical priesthood anymore after Mohammad? It's retarded, and everything "impressive" comes from Byzantium, as pointed out before. St John of Damascus thoroughly exposed the Ishmaelites back when their cult was nascent.
>he was a man prophet
Yeah, except Muslims deny that He was the Son of God, and they deny His crucifixion, and that is absolutely central to Christianity. Judaism, in fact taught the Trinity--ancient (non-Talmudic) Jews believed in something approximating the Trinity, read some of the works of Philo/the Targums if you can. Why do Muslims have a "Oneness" view of God? Likely, it comes from Khadija, who was a Talmudic Jew. After the Jews rejected Jesus, they created their own religion, repudiating the multiplicity in YHWH that they had believed before.
https://juchre.org/articles/word.htm?fbclid=IwAR34_imdrfMsgMrj3NEwIFBJu3Ff2TCvItHyK6wRwROShSMiGrSzlAa19gw
A good website:
https://islammeetsorthodoxy.wordpress.com/
>>14108877
Your absolute divine simplicity doctrine leads to pantheism. Jay Dyer has completely exposed that teaching. I mean, your book literally teaches that Jews believe Ezra is the Son of God, that heaven will have "large-breasted" women (Surah 78:31-33), furthermore, Muslims are completely blind to typology (the best proof for the Bible being inspired) and blithely prattle about the "corruption" of the Bible without ever having looked into any textual criticism. The Bible is the most reliable text of the ancient world--that's a fact. The Sana'a manuscripts destroy your claims. Leave that cult, dude.

[Anonymous No.14108967]

>>14108959
Fuck kikeanity

[Anonymous No.14108969]

>>14108958
But Mohammed isn't mentioned anywhere in the Torah or the Bible. In Islamic theology, both Christianity and Judaism are broadly correct and part of God's plan, so therefore why is there absolutely nothing about God's final prophet in either book? You would expect at least one line about Arabs or Arabia, but instead the Torah is focused entirely on the Jewish people.

[Anonymous No.14108970]

>>14108959
again, I meant the core belief of judaism and islam is identical, one god and no other, also the muslims and jews pray very similar with hand on their chest or stomach.
> Judaism, in fact taught the Trinity--ancient (non-Talmudic) Jews believed in something approximating the Trinity,
thats a complete lie, The description of the messiah in judaism is completely different to christianity, the messiah is a man, not son of god, everything that christianity claims when it comes to the messiah is the comeplete opposite of judaism

[Anonymous No.14108978]

>>14108969
yeah I understand that, I didn't mean to claim that Mohammed was mention in the bible,I was just trying to say that in their core beliefs Judaism and Islam are almost identical, thats all

[Anonymous No.14108988]

>>14108970
>again, I meant the core belief of judaism and islam is identical, one god and no other, also the muslims and jews pray very similar with hand on their chest or stomach.
Can you even read? Look into Philo and the Targums. Jews believed in a multiplicity within YHWH. And Orthodox Christians do pray using prostrations and bows, that's just another tradition Muslims ripped from Christianity.
>The description of the messiah in judaism is completely different to christianity
Really now? Malachi 3 described a man leading the way for the Messiah (John the Baptist) and says that the Messiah will be divine. I could go on and on. Saint Paul in particular and the Apostles knew Scripture incredibly well. That's how they converted so many Jews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NioUYSkLpgA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdPyPAVq67M

[Anonymous No.14108994]

>cucks arguing which one of the Judaism spin-offs can LARP harder as a Israelite

[Anonymous No.14109000]

>>14108994
Yeah, vitalism sure has worked well for everyone. Idiot.

[a_poor_sinner !!eiHxl4pZe1i No.14109001]

>>14108994
"which is the most /lit/ religion" is actually a good question nerd

[Anonymous No.14109004]

>>14109000
What are you even talking about cuck?

[Anonymous No.14109005]

>>14108988
>Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one!
Philo and the Targums are interpretations of the Jewish bible in Aramaic, you think thats a credible source? Go and ask a rabbi if the jews believe in a multiplicity and the answer would be a big NO.
>says that the Messiah will be divine
Again you're lying, Read the jewish scriptures, The messiah isn't divine, he isn' the son of God, he isnt God. he is nothing but a man, the reason why jews till this day haven't accepted Jesus is because he claimed he is God

[Anonymous No.14109010]

>>14108933
Eh, I wouldn't say that, there's shades of the Moses story in Islam too, and it would be silly to assume that none of the Prophets seeked to have a fuller, realised version of their religion beyond just accepting the Truth and preaching it. I tend to see it as wanting to expand on the truth rather than doubt it. The Moses story in the Qur'an is far from black and white, he would not rest till he had asked the Truth to be revealed to him in its fullest form, believing his faith to be incomplete until then. I think it plays well into your nature of man, Islam does accept that the believer needs to be strengthening his faith continually for he would be led astray otherwise. The Moses and Khidr encounter in the Qur'an is proof that how much can the limits of faith and belief be pushed till the Truth becomes almost impossible to accept, how it is in the nature of the believer to question.

Islam and it's Sufi connotations stresses how the believer doesn't know the first thing about the mysteries of their religion, the fact there are mysteries itself is a testament towards a depth to the religion that goes beyond the polemic and simple way you're projecting it to be. It just posits that there is always an answer to be had, whether you know it or not, and the challenge of the believer is to accept the impermutable Truth. The unsurety lies in the limits of human knowledge, not in the doubting that what is already known

[Anonymous No.14109018]

I would gladly see the Islamization of Europe if it means that muh based cuhthedrals are profaned. Christianity destroyed European civilization. If the west is going to be Abrahamic anyway, at least I want to live to see Christianity, which started it all, destroyed.

[Anonymous No.14109036]

>>14109005
>Go and ask a rabbi if the jews believe in a multiplicity and the answer would be a big NO.
Go and ask a Talmudic Christ hating Rabbi... owned! Yeah, right. That means nothing. The Jewish religion after the destruction of the temple is completely different... the destruction of the Temple was the final action of God divorcing Israel due to their constant acts of apostasy and the ultimate fulfillment of that (killing God). Furthermore, Jews agree that the sign that the Messiah has come is that the Gentile nations worship the true God of Israel. The pic attached is the oldest synagogue in the world--note the distinct iconography, something that only Orthodox Christianity has maintained.
>the reason why jews till this day haven't accepted Jesus is because he claimed he is God
Most Jews were converted, lmao. Only the most rigid, pharisaical Jews stuck to their traditions of men. Watch that debate Jay Dyer had, and watch this video on the Trinity in the Old Testament. It's literally clear as day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_uBaARATqs

[Anonymous No.14109040]

>>14109005
Also
>Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one!
No, that's a deliberate, Talmudic mistranslation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGoktZEzO8M

[Anonymous No.14109058]

>>14109036
>Go and ask a Talmudic Christ hating Rabbi... owned!
so you leave everything I said and latch onto the argument that rabbis hate christ? The jewish texts are clear as the sun, Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one. you have to go lengths to twist such a simple concept.
> killing God
God can't be killed, you're insane if you think jews killed God. the Scriptures are simple, you like to twist words and go to extreme lengths just to justify Christianity's blasphemy, A picture in a synagogue means nothing, The words of tanakh means everything and what does tanakh say? The messiah is a man, not god, not son of god, not divine, HE IS A MAN, christians worship Jesus, thats absolute blasphemy in Judaism. The messiah isn't supposed to be worshiped

[Anonymous No.14109063]

>>14109040
> that's a deliberate, Talmudic mistranslation
Learn hebrew and go read the Jewish bible, to see for yourself, The mental gymnastics that you're doing is amazing

[Anonymous No.14109071]

>>14109058
>>14109063
Lol, this is just risible. Again, the Talmudic religion is not the religion of the OT Jews. Much of what you're saying is just casuistry. The reason Christ assumed universal human nature was to deify and heal us and bring us back to the way things were *before* the fall of Adam and Eve. Modern Judaism does not even believe in Satan--yet we know that the OT clearly teaches such a being. Give me a break dude. Twist the scriptures? The OT does not teach Islam, you only think that because you've never read the OT.

[Anonymous No.14109088]

>>14109071
>The reason Christ assumed universal human nature was to deify and heal us and bring us back to the way things were *before* the fall of Adam and Eve.
Imagine actually believing that lol

[Anonymous No.14109107]

>>14109088
Imagine being so ignorant of the true religion. Well, Saint Paul does speak of the veil over the eyes of the Jews.

[Anonymous No.14109109]

>>14109071
> The OT does not teach Islam,
that wasn't my argument, you keep on spewing christian bullshit, The christians claim that Jesus is the messiah that is prophesied in the jewish bible, correct? well thats impossible, the messiah is never said to be the son of god, he is never said to be god and he is never said to be divine, refute that.

[Anonymous No.14109113]

>>14109107
>Jews
Nice straw man. Jews believe in almost the same retarded shit

[Anonymous No.14109117]

>>14108805
>Hinduism
>Of all modern religions it comes closest to approaching the state of man in his earliest days on the planet.

Interesting. Tell me more..

[Anonymous No.14109131]

They are Christianity, Hinduism, and Judaism.
Second tier is Islam and Buddhism.

[Anonymous No.14109143]

Christianity is based, Paulianity on the other hand...

[Munch !SZTDRG5yAw No.14109155]

>>14109143
>based
Based.

[Anonymous No.14109263]

agnosticism = deism = pantheism = pandeism > atheism > Buddhism > universalist Christianity > Mainline Protestantism > Catholicism = Eastern Orthodoxy = Islam = Judaism > Jainism > Hinduism = Sikhism > Evangelicalism > Mormonism > larpers (pagans, Taoists, Bahá'í, Shinto, etc) > cults (Jehovah's Witness, theistic satanism, demonolatry, new age spirituality, etc)
>>14108805
>Islam is polemic and dogmatic
>Christianity isn't
you have no clue what you're talking about, even if your opinion of the Bahá'í faith is based

[Anonymous No.14109274]

>>14107750
Living out your entire life without ever being taught or finding out what religion or irreligion is

[Anonymous No.14109294]

>>14108019
Youre recommending me some asshole who carries round doll houses and holds his books like THAT?! Enough so that they had to immortalize it in art? Not to mention he looks like a goomba wearing a cloak for the cult of the fried egg yolk. what do you take me for? Some sorta fago?

[Anonymous No.14109549]

>>14108507
have you seen india?

[Anonymous No.14109555]

>>14107829
this, unironically

[Anonymous No.14109559]

>>14108694
are you ranking based on child abuse?

[Anonymous No.14109584]

/urantia/

Besides being the ultimate /lit/ book of all time and the supreme religious /lit/ book,

Urantia embraces all the best and greatest of these great /lit/ religions and encourages you to learn from all these traditions

[Anonymous No.14109728]

>>14109143
My Jewdar is going berserk.

[Anonymous No.14109777]

>>14108805
This reads like a very narrow Christian view.
>Islam is dogmatic but Judaism isnt
Holy fuck is this bait?

[Anonymous No.14109801]

>>14108959
>non Talmudic Jews believed in the Trinity
This is a gigantic lie and the only evidence is the supposed plurality of Elohim (even Allah calls himself we) and post hoc apologia
>Jews called Erza sons of God
Jews did call their respected folk sons of God. This is in itself is considered blasphemy in Islam as God's relationshkp to humanity cannot be analogous to father and Son.
>virgins in heaven
Physical pleasures aren't inherently evil unless you're a gnostic

[Anonymous No.14109827]

>>14109143
Mashallah brother

[Anonymous No.14109865]

>>14107937
yes

folk taoism is still very big in places like taiwan, southern china, SEA
its very pagan, polytheistic and shamanistic. There are hundreds of "official" deities and thousands more "unofficial" ones (ghosts, spirits etc)

[Anonymous No.14110365]

>>14107750
Jews are literally the most well read, most high iq demographic. Stay jelly.

[Anonymous No.14110402]

>>14108019
He got refuted before he even began.

[Anonymous No.14110420]

>>14108017
RIP Bloom-y

Probably Ethiopian Orthodox Christianity,

[Anonymous No.14110515]

>>14108805
fair and balanced

[Anonymous No.14110800]

> christianity
> a religion with only one holy book
> /lit/
Come back when you've got 30+ holy books.

[Anonymous No.14110845]

isn't the so called "philosophical taoism" pretty similar to buddha's teachings?

[Anonymous No.14111440]

>>14107750
>>14107754

Islam ofcourse. Remember the first word angel gabriel told to the prophet:

>read

[Anonymous No.14111463]

>>14110402
>Natural law
>refuted
Stop.

[Anonymous No.14111721]

Esoteric germanic polytheism

[Anonymous No.14111759]

I would go with Hinduism. I think it's pretty based but mostly because there's such much different lit. Kashmir shavism, upanishads, prunas, all the yoga stuff.. A good mix of ancient stories, philosophy and self growth

[Anonymous No.14111802]

Of all those religions only one involves memorizing a book of poetry that comes directly from G-d, and regularly getting together with your bros to recite that poetry together.

[Anonymous No.14111821]

>>14108033
How can buddhism ever be before hinduism rofl

[Anonymous No.14111883]

>>14111463
It is the way Aquinas used it. As an Aristotelian foundation. And it reduces
God to a monad.

[Anonymous No.14111906]

>>14111440
The angel Gabriel supposedly visiting Mahomet is a blatant rip-off of the Annunciation. It's so obvious, you guys are blind.

[Anonymous No.14111911]

>>14111821
Because it centers around the direct awakening of the individual? Do most people prefer to just memorize ancient mythology and philosophy, and then consider themselves enlightened for having done so? Sounds pretty comfy. Shakyamuni Buddha was the only person of known history who dedicated himself solely to the ideal of self-awakening, and subsequently left a culture around his experiences, and how he believed it could be done best. But I guess if people prefer the entertainment of colorful storytelling over the liberation from their own ignorance, then they should follow that in this lifetime. Maybe by a future birth they'll be more interested in the latter pursuit, and will follow it then.

[Anonymous No.14112016]

>>14111911
>Because it centers around the direct awakening of the individual
so did the Upanishads dating from both before and after buddha
>Shakyamuni Buddha was the only person of known history who dedicated himself solely to the ideal of self-awakening
lol, you mean after loafing around living the life of a hedonist for 30 years in a palace? Your description would far more aptly apply to Hindus like Adi Shankara who become a monastic at age 8 and remained one until his death

[Anonymous No.14112139]

>>14112016
The Upanishads did too, but Buddhism takes the best parts of them and strips away irrelevancies, like intercessory prayer to deities for the sake of personal liberation.

I personally was raised in a Hindu family, and I happen to love Advaita and Buddhism more than any other world philosophies. That said, I consider Buddhism a more streamlined manner of reaching transcendent consciousness than I do Hinduism, which is often bogged down in rituals, social constructs and mythological belief rather than the sheer practicum for spiritual progression that Buddhism offers. And the decadent circumstances Buddha was born into shouldn't be held against him, we are all inescapably creatures shaped by our environment to some degree. But he eventually abandoned it all, and led a drastically different lifestyle for the rest of his lifetime, and also made a culture around that model. For someone to do all of that of their own volition, deserves respect in my book.

The Upanishads are based, but I also feel that Buddha only improved on the quest they started.

[Anonymous No.14112164]

>>14108236
Pretty neat. However, it seems to still have some idolatry to it. Is there any traditional religion outside of deism and pantheism that pretty much does away with all mystical and worldly matters? Emphasis on mystical exclusion.

I guess kinda the greek moral schools, but they were more philosophy than religion.

[Anonymous No.14112175]

>>14108779
You can say the same for most religions. Most westerners, even the nonreligious ones usualy fuse religion and philosophy to different levels of incompatibility.

[Anonymous No.14112202]

>>14112164
The Zhuangzi and the Tao The Ching both don't really concern themselves with ritual etc. - could easily be argued they were anti-ritual, particularly with the historical context.
The Zhuangzi does reference TCM etc from time to time, but that's more a function of the background culture.

[Anonymous No.14112211]

>>14109263
I dont disagree, however i would like to put a duel mention for atheism. Just slighly above evangelicalism, for reactionary athiesm. Something that purely comes from a disdain for religion and not even trying to follow its line of thought and development. Pure reactionism.

The secound atheism is fine where it is. One who started from the greeks to now and understands the historical development of thought, but rejects it not out of reaction, but out of good spirit and comprehensive understanding.

[Anonymous No.14112215]

Catholicism and Hinduism should both be studied extensively. Everything else is mouthbreather tier.

[Anonymous No.14112254]

>>14112202
Huh, neat. Ill check it out. Ive always kinda been blase for a lot of the mysticism in a lot of eastern branches of religion. Christianity, and further Protestantism and diesm, I kinda respected for doing away with a lot of the previous ritual that defined the pagan west and that cicero, Plato, and the platoettes kinda tried to veir away from.

I dont dislike ritual and I see the value in it (Love catholic churches), but if I want to get a more pure spirituality, removed from frivolity, I go to a austere no nonsense Quaker meeting house.

Thanks for the recomendation for the Zhuangzi.

[Anonymous No.14112310]

North Paganism
>Tacitus
>Eddas
>Sagas
>Beowulf
>Nibelungenlied
>Northern Heroic Age Poems
>Great Matters
>Romanticism
>Goethe
>Schopenhauer
>Nietzsche
>Spengler
>Cleary
All one lineage.
>>14111721
>Not going full Odinic Faustianism

[Anonymous No.14112328]

Hinduism has the most (quantity) ancient literature

[Anonymous No.14112348]

>>14112310
Most of that north shit just has either had greaco-roman or christian values placed on it to make them sound even remotely deep.

[Anonymous No.14112354]

>>14107750
Rastafarianism, obviously.

[Anonymous No.14112361]

>>14112348
It all makes sense by the end.

[Anonymous No.14112371]

>>14112361

[Anonymous No.14112407]

>>14109143
*Sniff sniff* Something smells like wet camel.

[Anonymous No.14112413]

>>14112361
By a germanophile that extrapolates those interpretations through his own intellectual accumine rather than by historical precedent. I could do the same with a random guys diary from 200 years ago and extrapolate the metaphysical nuances when he wrote "I slipped on my slippers today, and Hark!, I found a hole in the sole! But No matter, work cleanses all momentary inconveniences."

With the greco-romans or Catholic, or Hindus, I can actually read their particular interpretations of their narratives from first hand accounts like Ceaser, or Lau tsu. And I dont have to make a supposed mentality.

[Anonymous No.14112647]

>>14108805
Biased and bluepilled.

[Anonymous No.14112955]

>>14109109
>refute that

[T.K.R No.14113028]

The kek cult

[Anonymous No.14113134]

>>14112413
>I could do the same with a random guys diary
You do know Spengler was the most important European philosopher between the two wars, right? Like, it made him so popular he got offered jobs to multiple colleges after he already failed his PHD thesis, they thought the work was that impressive.
Besides, Cleary goes into what the Germans thought himself, you can read it here
https://archive.is/xbfK1

[Anonymous No.14113149]

>>14111883
Redpill me on the complexity of God

[Anonymous No.14113234]

>>14113134
So an argument of ethos, eh?

[Anonymous No.14113294]

>>14108641
>theres non mystical tao

Where?

[Anonymous No.14113299]

>>14107750
The blind watchmaker

[Anonymous No.14113302]

>>14107750
Christianity by a mile. Almost the entire canon links into Christianity in some way. Juddhaism is close but it's just occult shit.

[Anonymous No.14113307]

>>14107750
Judaism, Shinto, Daoism, Hinduism, etc. don't really take converts. They might be lit, but they're not for you. Bahai is a tiny cult and is not lit.

The answer has to be one of Buddhism, Christianity, Islam.

[Anonymous No.14113328]

>>14112202
The Zhuangzi and the Laozi *the way Westerners read them* have literally nothing to do with Daoism as practiced now or as practiced for over a thousand years in China. It's all about semen retention to attain immortality, ritual, and that sort of thing. The Chinese read the Daodejing as a treatise on attaining bodily immortality. Consider that they may have a better reading of it than your white ass.

[Anonymous No.14113409]

>>14113234
Well it is community. That which captivates the community at one point in time, and that which captivates it a couple hundred years of difference, must contain some similarities that are to be found underneath.

[Anonymous No.14113411]

>>14113307
>Hinduism, etc
yes they do, the notion that they dont is misinformation which usually spread by proselytizing Buddhists and Abrahamists

[Anonymous No.14113430]

religion is cringe if i am perfectly honest
dont reply btw

[Anonymous No.14113457]

>>14113430
this

[Anonymous No.14113492]

>>14113430
'sup

[Anonymous No.14113570]

>>14113430
theism can be cringe, but not as much as blanket antitheism desu

[Anonymous No.14113722]

>>14113430
A lot of its aspects are, yes.