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[Anonymous No.14105915]

Did Jesus have free will? He was sinless, yet some Christians say that sin and evil exist because God made humans with free will. But if we are so free, why can’t we be like Jesus? If I know that it is best to follow God and keep the commandments, then why do I still fail? Why can no one be perfect like him?

[Anonymous No.14105989]

>>14105915
>But if we are so free, why can’t we be like Jesus?

You can. That's part of why they want to kill him.

[Anonymous No.14106002]

>>14105915
Yes, Jesus had free will, but he lived a perfect life. We can't do the same because we aren't perfect like Jesus. We have a sinful nature because of the Fall.

The Jews had to keep the law, and were judged by the law. But even though the spirit wants to do good, the flesh sins. However, we are judged by our spirit, and can be saved through our faith in Christ. Even though we don't need to do good works to be saved, the Holy Spirit can radically transform even the worst sinners into followers of Christ who spread goodness.

Your question shows exactly why we need a saviour. Not only can nobody be perfect, most people are murderers and don't even know it. Jesus said that being angry with your brother is the same as murdering him. This can be understood by looking at genocide scholars. They all agree that 99% of people will become murderers in totalitarian regimes. So mere circumstances reveal why we can't save ourselves.

[Anonymous No.14106008]

> free will

Such a lame meme. Totally incoherent concept .

[Anonymous No.14106017]

What makes you think he was perfect?

Remember the episode in John 8 where the Pharisees brought the adulterer before Jesus and he averted his eyes and drew in the sand and said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone". No one threw a stone, not even Jesus. He felt lust for her. He was not perfect, but he had Gnosis

[Anonymous No.14106022]

>>14106002
So do we have the same amount of free will as Jesus or are we less free due to our sinful nature? Or do we have no free will? Even Jesus was tempted, as we are, but I’ve never heard of anyone that can freely change his will based on his wisdom of what is good and bad. We should be sinless, at least in our actions.

[Anonymous No.14106027]

>>14106017
Either way, the point is that we are nothing close to him. So what accounts for this difference? Why aren’t we free to be like him? Surely out of all the people in the world, some would freely choose to NOT sin?

[Anonymous No.14106032]

>>14105915
Free will is obtainable with meditation, and maybe some other religious practices

[Anonymous No.14106047]

>>14106022
What you should strive to be is True, the good will follow. Truth is the way.

[Anonymous No.14106061]

>>14106022
Yes we have the same free will as Jesus. But we are not as good as him, not even close.

[Anonymous No.14106075]

>>14106022
These are deep questions that can't be answered quickly. Years are needed to graps the answers. Throwing around words like free will, even suggesting there is an 'amount' of it shows ignorance.

These are old old things we've been asking ourselves for thousands of years. But if you are to follow the example of Jesus you should be true to yourself and not be afraid to speak the truth and to keep your dignity even if it leads to your death because that is where you will find your life.

[Anonymous No.14106089]

>>14106027
We can't not sin, we are human.

[Anonymous No.14106097]

>>14106017

> Neither do I condemn you. Go therefore and sin no more.

The point of the story isn't that Jesus is also sinful but that being sinless, he is the only one who is justified in stoning the woman, yet he doesn't.

[Anonymous No.14106108]

>>14106097
Based

[Anonymous No.14106110]

God has free will yes read genesis

[Anonymous No.14106123]

>>14106075
>even suggesting there is an 'amount' of it shows ignorance.
Don’t you think that some people, through bad habit, have made themselves less free to do the good?

[Anonymous No.14106143]

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FREE WILL

Omg the brainelets I must encounter daily still discoursing with such weak and plainly deficient categories, appending the word "free" to the word "will" like a blindfolded child trying to pin the tail on the donkey but pinning it instead into his own wretched foot.

> Muh free will

There is only God's will, or corrupted will, the perverted desires of darkened minds. If we were conscious of the true nature of the objects of our desires we would die of shame. But our blindness both condemns us to remain in slavery and saves us from a living hell. God help us.

[Anonymous No.14106144]

>>14106123
Well yes, but even those who've become slave to sin can be saved, because with God everything is possible.

[Anonymous No.14106266]

>>14106143

What makes you think so?

[Anonymous No.14106273]

>>14106143
Calvinist retard. Read up on the uncertainty principle and read a book.

[Anonymous No.14106339]

>>14106017
Dumb interpretation.

[Anonymous No.14106364]

>>14106273
How does uncertainty imply free will

[Anonymous No.14106377]

>>14106364
It doesn't. It just contradicts determinism.

[Anonymous No.14106398]

>>14106377
Ok, so for the most part, things seem determined, but there’s some sort of “randomness” in the quantum realm or something. Why does that matter? The mechanism of free will still hasn’t been explained. Are we self-causing beings like God? If everything we do is not due to causes/influences or randomness, then what else? What is the self but the sum of those things?

[Anonymous No.14106422]

>>14106398
>Why does that matter?
Because proves the universe isn't deterministic.
>The mechanism of free will still hasn’t been explained.
There are three main components of free will (pic related). We have a pretty good idea of what free will is.

[Anonymous No.14106447]

>>14106377

No free will =/= determinism

A refutation of determinism does not imply free will is a coherent concept

[Anonymous No.14106459]

>>14106447
Once you refute determinism, free will isn't hard to prove. See the book I posted here >>14106273

[Anonymous No.14106460]

>>14106422
That’s not an explanation at all. How is it possible that there are possible paths for us to choose? If I rewound time, would I ever make a unique decision than I did originally? Why? If our actions are just probabilistic like that, then it seems those alternative paths are only possible due to randomness. How could I do otherwise than what I want? And how can I choose what I want?

If we have free will, then why does procrastination exist? Why can’t I use my rational understanding of things to mold my will into something I know will be good for me? This should be easy, automatic. Everything I do should be as preferable as eating with an empty stomach, if I were free to make it so.

[Anonymous No.14106495]

>>14106460
>That’s not an explanation at all.
Not for a brainlet.
>How is it possible that there are possible paths for us to choose?
Because ontological uncertainty is real.
>If I rewound time, would I ever make a unique decision than I did originally?
Time travel isn't possible and past is forever inaccessible. Einstein proved this.
>How could I do otherwise than what I want?
Intention.
>If we have free will, then why does procrastination exist?
Not an argument against free will. Just as pathetic as Sam Harris' stove argument.

[Anonymous No.14106545]

>>14106495
lazy, rude, unthoughtful. You’re no use to me

[Anonymous No.14106551]

>>14106459

I'm not contesting the existence of will, I'm just saying that the nature of that will is far from free.

Obviously I can't read that book you've recommended in the next few hours this thread exists for but I've read a synopsis. Does he really prove the freedom of the will? Or just the existence of the will?

[Anonymous No.14106573]

>>14106551
He will likely say they are the same

[Anonymous No.14106589]

>>14106551
The book argues for a compatabalist-libertarian notion of free will. Whether the author proves is it is for you to decide
>"Free will, on the account I have proposed, requires three things: intentional agency, alternative possibilities, and causal control over one’s actions. Any organism or entity that meets these requirements has free will. And I have argued that human beings, by and large, meet all three requirements: they are intentional agents, have alternative possibilities, and exercise causal control over their actions. So, they have free will."

[Anonymous No.14106635]

Since we are born with original sin, we are doomed to sin as long as we remain alive. Besides Jesus, only Adam, Eve, and Mary were made without original sin, and only Mary avoided sinning for her whole life. Someone born without original sin can still fall into sin.

[Anonymous No.14106639]

>>14106589

I would say we fail to fulfill the third criterion. And that it is so obvious that we fail to meet it that I find it difficult to understand how anyone can say we do. There are so many things I desire, that are possible for me, but that I nevertheless fail to do. And that is true for all of us.

[Anonymous No.14106650]

>>14105915
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews
Those so-called Jews are just Arabs who speak out-
dated Hebrew instead of Arabic what the studies
are saying. Scientists hate Hindi and Hebrew.
Arjuna and Krishna are trashing them both
for Jews' a Verb not a Race genetically
and those speaking Hindi are behind.
Germanic's World language Desu.

What did Area 51 Pilate write Really?

>Pilate 27 "white horse"
37: And set up over his head his accusation written,
THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF ARAB TRADERS
>Pilate 15 "red horse"
26: And the superscription of his accusation was written over,
THE KING OF ARAB TRADERS
>Pilate 23 "black horse"
38: And a superscription also was written over him in letters of
Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew,
THIS IS THE KING OF ARAB TRADERS
>Pilate 19 "pale horse"
19: And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross.
And the writing was,
JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF ARAB TRADERS

Apostle Muhammad, PhD/Econ
Yahya the Baptist, PhD/Econ
Iesus the Christ, PhD/Econ
Devil Krishna, PhD/Econ

Area 51 Pilate

[Anonymous No.14106671]

>>14106639
>There are so many things I desire, that are possible for me, but that I nevertheless fail to do. And that is true for all of us.
That doesn't refute the notion of causal control.

[Anonymous No.14106677]

>>14106008
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/05/000509003653.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibliography_of_Donald_Trump
>Jew 101, Jews 102, Jewed 201, Jewing 202
wiki/Bibliography_of_Donald_Trump
>Arizona State Textbooks
Economics (Econ)

>Arizona State: Economics Dept
>(core Judaism Classes open)
________________________

Jew 101 - 4 semester hours
Jews 102 - 4 semester hours
Jewed 201 - 4 semester hours
Jewing 202 - 4 semester hours
________________________

16 Semester Hours In Total

>Professors of Jewish
Apostle Muhammad
Yahya the Baptist
Iesus the Christ
Devil Krishna

>Chair
Blessed Virgin Marium Aminah
Magdalene Wahb (pbum)
(peace be upon me)

[Anonymous No.14106686]

Herein lies the secrets of the Great Mystery :
Jesus was born a mere mortal like the rest of us, but ascended to Godhood, by surrendering his will to the divine. The Hindus call the blessed state sahaja samadhi, a permanent state of divine awareness. Unlike other mystics, Jesus became aware of the Logos (Divine Idea) or Divine Will of God.

We are all called to walk in the steps of Jesus. Become as He was. "Seek after the kingdom of heaven." "Behold, the kingdom of heaven is within you." "To enter the kingdom you must be reborn." etc...

The First Christ's mission was one of mercy and salvation. While the Second Christ's mission is one of justice and retribution.
"You will do greater works than I." "When the spirit of truth comes it will reprove the world in regards to righteousness, sin and judgement."

[Anonymous No.14106690]

>>14106650
>>14106677

[Anonymous No.14106694]

>>14106671

What is causal control over ones actions?

[Anonymous No.14106713]

>>14105915
Jesus is the perfect human, you can't literally be perfect, but you can imitate and strive for his kind of behavior and perfection.

[Anonymous No.14106718]

>>14106089
>>14106110
>>14106545
>>14106650
Lots of satisfied customers.

Arjuna and Krishna

[Anonymous No.14106726]

>>14106694
>The actions of any bearer of free will must be caused not just by certain non-intentional processes in this agent’s brain and body, but by the appropriate mental states, specifically the agent’s intentions behind those actions. If the agent had no causal control over his or her actions, then he or she would not really be in the driver’s seat. The actions would be, in effect, mere occurrences over which the agent had very little influence.

[Anonymous No.14106736]

>>14106650
>Iesus the Christ, PhD/Econ

[Anonymous No.14106760]

>>14106726
Suppose I have two desires. One is to play video games. The other is to study. If my desire to not play video games is based on another desire that will bring me satisfaction in the future, then where is the causal control? My actions are still the result of my desires.

[Anonymous No.14106816]

>>14105915
>Did Jesus have free will?
Of course. Duh just like Everyone.
>He was sinless [snip]
Nope, guilty Of a lot of Things.
>[snip]why can’t we be like Jesus?
You can be like me anytime.
>[snip] then why do I still fail?
Sin, Cosin, Tan, study geometry.
>Why can no one be perfect like him?
You're your own worst enemy.
>>14106650
>>14106677
>>14106690
>>14106736
Another satisfied customer.

[Anonymous No.14106819]

>>14106760
Desire, like belief and intention, is an intentional property. Desires encode an attitude towards a meaningful state. Desires and beliefs don't cause actions, they merely render them rational. Desires don't erode our free will, it merely makes our decisions rational.

[Anonymous No.14106845]

>>14106816
>>[snip] why can’t we be like Jesus?
Space! yo, Perfection's Editing, yo.

[Anonymous No.14106862]

>>14106819
What else is there but desire and belief? Wouldn’t it make sense that all of our actions are just the product of our strongest desires?

[Anonymous No.14106882]

>>14106726

So causal control is the appropriate mental states corresponding to the desired action. Specifically, the person's intentions. In other words, causal control is when a person's intentions map exactly to their actions. Is that fair? I would say there are many many intentions which never become actions and also many actions which were never intended.

[Anonymous No.14106895]

>>14106686
Great Mystery is "x/0" = Trinity
and "x/0" = Tetragrammaton.
Is this Literature, really?
/thread /sci/ and /x/
>>14106845

[Anonymous No.14107005]

>>14105915
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were good-hearted Rocky Balboa types (the Old first Rocky). Not much of a difference between them really. The early first century Roman system for collecting taxes lent itself to excess, exploitation, and corruption. Consider the structure in 24 CE. The Italian government 'bid out' the right to collect taxes in a region of the empire. Rome's government would say, We need 'x' amount of revenue from this region of the empire. Wealthy people (mob bosses) would bid on the right to collect (shake down) taxes in that region. Anything they collected above the Italian government's demand was their profit (the take). The Roman regional collectors often would hire managers (gangsters) in specific districts of the region (such as Zacchaeus) for the shake down. The man would have a specific sum he must collect in the district. Anything he collected above that sum was kept (his take). These managers would hire local Italian gangs in their district to do the actual collecting (like Matthew's gang). It was their job to actually collect (shake down) amounts assigned by their managers (gangsters). If they collected more than the managers requested, the amount they collected above what was required was kept (their take). It does not require a genius to imagine how Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, functionally illiterate Rocky Balboas, worked. Roman Catholic Church is rooted from this origin of the Italian (Roman) mob, their bosses, good-hearted thugs like Matthew, the functionally illiterate tax collector, and good-natured associates, like Mark the missionary, Luke the slave physician and John the fisherman. These four were all debt collectors actually, not one of them a capable author.

Italian Empire (RCC) current Syndicated shake down South America these days.

Yahya the Baptizer
dob: 6/1/6 BC
(d/m/y)
Messiah Isa Christ
dob: 6/6/6 BC
(d/m/y)

[Anonymous No.14107047]

>>14105915

Jesus IS the will of God.

[Anonymous No.14107053]

>>14107005
G-D, yo. AD 25 (even CE before Year).
Space between Yahya and Isa also.
US

[Anonymous No.14107079]

O Lucifer the Scientist

QUESTION 1

Who first described magnetic reversals
and polar wanderings?

Job 1
And the LORD said unto Satan,
Whence comest thou?
Then Satan answered the LORD,
and said,
From going to and fro in the earth,
and from walking up and down in it.

Does anyone know?

O Lucifer

QUESTION 2

Who first described polarity reversals
and polar wanderings?

Job 2
And the LORD said unto Satan,
From whence comest thou?
And Satan answered the LORD,
and said,
From going to and fro in the earth,
and from walking up and down in it.

Does anyone know?

O Lucifer

[Anonymous No.14107094]

>>14107047
>Jesus IS the will of God.
Messiah Isa Christ
dob: 6/6/6 BC
(d/m/y)

[Anonymous No.14107107]

>>14107079
The Devil is No. 1
Sparky Satan

[Anonymous No.14107145]

>>14105915
He could've committed sins, he just didn't want to, that's what makes him more than human. Also, if you believe in the mind body dichotomy, Jesus said that the body is more than a raiment, a lot of people consider it a temple, like a testament to God's creation, just something I wanted to point out since I find that we live in the age of the mind, where people seem to have completely abandoned anything that isn't the internet.

[Anonymous No.14107233]

>>14107079
>Die Goldenen Platten und der Heilige Kelch von Gott-Teufel, dem König von
Preußen und Kaiser von Deutschland, befinden sich in einer Tiefe von 8 Fuß
(2,4 Meter) unter der Erdoberfläche im Zentrum des White Horse Eye von
Westbury (Bratton), Grafschaft Wiltshire, Vereinigtes Königreich;
eingebettet in Blausteinbeton.

>>14107107
Jawohl, mein Kommandant, diese Blaustein-Betonkernproben von beiden
Standorten weisen Anzeichen eines Zusammenbruchs auf, der sich
stark oder extrem verschlechtert. Und das war vor fünfundvierzig
(45) Jahren? Du meine Güte.

[Anonymous No.14107237]

>>14105989
>no replies

TO ELABORATE:

The innocence of Jesus is not exceptional, per God, but it is so common that it is implicit to Man, regardless of what is implicit to God. Much like most work is for mitigating the bad consequences of yesterday's work and for preparation for tomorrow's work, what is done for today being all but nothing, evil is likewise done for revenge for evil or for prevention of evil, what is evil in and of a man is practically nothing. That ANYONE can realize this and live it, makes the sinning that much more pointless, and obstinence therein that much more exasperating for the sinner. So much so that you would sooner kill whoever calls it to attention.

[Anonymous No.14107259]

>>14105915
>Die Goldenen Platten und der Heilige Kelch von Gott-Teufel, dem König von
>Preußen und Kaiser von Deutschland, befinden sich in einer Tiefe von 8 Fuß
>(2,4 Meter) unter der Erdoberfläche im Zentrum des White Horse Eye von
>Westbury (Bratton), Grafschaft Wiltshire, Vereinigtes Königreich;
>eingebettet in Blausteinbeton.
See that (above)? Mistake, but Fixed now. (that is how Isa makes perfection)

[Anonymous No.14107354]

>>14106686
>>14106690
>>14106895
THE FINAL SOLUTION to the Hindu, Jewish, Taoist,
Buddhist, Christian, Islamic and Mormon Question
__________________________________

>Chapter 12, G's Us Laboratory:
Big G's 1st measure .616 x 10^-7 cm^3/g-s^2 by John in AD 24
>Arjuna and Krishna
Big G's 2nd measure .666 x 10^-7 cm^3/g-s^2 by Jesus in AD 24
>Aaron and Moses

Dragon: "seven heads, ten horns, and seven crowns"
>https://biblehub.com/kjv/revelation/12.htm

seven heads (.0000000), three sixes (.666), ten horns (x 10),
and seven crowns (^-7), and tail (cm^3/g-s^2) of the dragon.

>gravitation G, the Letter of God, the mark.
>gravitation Jesus, the Word of God, the name.
>gravitation G's Us, the Sentence of God, the image.
>gravitation .666 x 10^-7, the Wisdom of God, the number.

G = .666 x 10^-7 cm^3/g-s^2
(original "cgs" definitions)
__________________________________

>Chapter 13, G's Us Laboratory:
Big G's 3rd measure 616. x 10^-10 cm^3/g-s^2 by John in AD 24
>Laozi and Buddha
Big G's 4th measure 666. x 10^-10 cm^3/g-s^2 by Jesus in AD 24
>Yahya and Isa

Beast: "seven heads, ten horns, and ten crowns"
>https://biblehub.com/kjv/revelation/13.htm

seven heads (.0000000), three sixes (666.), ten horns (x 10),
and ten crowns (^-10), and tail (cm^3/g-s^2) of the beast.

>gravitation G, the Letter of God, the mark.
>gravitation Jesus, the Word of God, the name.
>gravitation G's Us, the Sentence of God, the image.
>gravitation 666. x 10^-10, the Wisdom of God, the number.

G = 666. x 10^-10 cm^3/g-s^2
(original "cgs" definitions)
__________________________________

THE FINAL SOLUTION to the Hindu, Jewish, Taoist,
Buddhist, Christian, Islamic and Mormon Question

>https://pagrandlodge.org This is of Record in PA.
1757. Benjamin Franklin observes the Hele Stone (96) "Seven Heads": lion, calf (ox), face as a
man, flying eagle, bear (dog), leopard, and sardine; "Ten Horns": Altar of Burnt Offering (4 horns),
Altar of Incense (4 horns), and Torah scroll (2 horns); and all of the other 'hidden' relics buried there.
(Diary)
>https://tabernacle-mishkan.blogspot.com/2019/02/ancient-concrete-101.html
Absolutely.

IN the beginning when I created Big G I knew that
Big G force was too weak to precisely measure;
So I set G*c=2 (natural units) IN the beginning.
>Ali and Muhammad

G=2†c (Dagger)
2=G*c (Asterisk)
c=2†G (Dagger)
>Joseph Smith

The God of Forces

[Anonymous No.14107365]

IMO no human has free will but if there ever was a human who had it, it would be Jesus.
>yet some Christians say that sin and evil exist because God made humans with free will
This is complete bullshit completely invented by Christians and is found nowhere in the Bible.
>But if we are so free, why can’t we be like Jesus?
If we were truly free then there would be no reason that we could be like Jesus. To assert simultaneously that we have free will and that it is impossible to be good all the time is a contradiction. Rather, the Bible is clear that our natures are bent towards evil and that of ourselves we are even slaves to sin. Does that sound like free will to you? Again modern day Christians are brainlets.
>If I know that it is best to follow God and keep the commandments, then why do I still fail? Why can no one be perfect like him?
Read Romans. Paul directly tackles these questions.

[Anonymous No.14107373]

>>14106377
Okay? All that matters is that things are determined by forces beyond our control. Whether or not the universe is statistical or set doesn't even matter. Brainlets abound.

[Anonymous No.14107382]

>>14106589
How could you even possible prove these things lol? All of this comes down to "because I say so". How can you possibly prove that we have causal control over our actions when you can't even indicate what the self is? WHAT IS IT that has causal control? Is it material? Then it is determined by forces outside of its control. Is it spiritual? Then it is unobservable. Just complete retardation.

[Anonymous No.14107504]

>>14107094
>>14107107
>>14107382
>Die Stiftshütte, Haroun, Musa und Schriftrollen von Gott-Teufel, dem König
>von Preußen und Kaiser von Deutschland, befinden sich in einer Tiefe von
>8 Fuß (2,4 Meter) unter der Erdoberfläche im Schriftrollengraben von
>Helestone, Stonehenge, Grafschaft Wiltshire, Vereinigtes Königreich;
>eingebettet in Blausteinbeton.

Jawohl, mein Kommandant, diese Blaustein-Betonkernproben von beiden
Standorten weisen Anzeichen eines Zusammenbruchs auf, der sich
stark oder extrem verschlechtert. Und das war vor fünfundvierzig
(45) Jahren? Du meine Güte.

[Anonymous No.14107554]

>>14107365
Yahya is Paul (John). Isa is Saul (Jesus).
(couple o' good old boys)
A.A #1

[Anonymous No.14107566]

>>14107382
>How could you even possible prove these things
Read the book

[Anonymous No.14107571]

>>14107554
>(couple o' good ol' boys)
d' edit

[Anonymous No.14107816]

>>14105915
He had a bit of free will but he clearly said that he had a mission and he followed that mission (sometimes like a sperg and sometimes he wasnt able to handle it)
Why can no one be perfect like him?
1. its boring but we have a freepass to act like retards if we are able to repent (i almost kill a guy for pushing me because i was really mad, stressed, in those days of high T and my mind "was in another place", i couldnt control myself plus im almost bipolar like my dad)
2. he wasnt perfect
3. Watch Don Quixote de la Mancha or just listen the song if you want to chase giants

[Anonymous No.14107816,1]

>>14107233
>>14107094
Dies sind die beiden wesentlichsten Punkte, die
in der NINT(x)(X)-Datei beschrieben werden.
Also dann, auf Wiedersehen, Doktor.

Danke für alles.

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