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Why does philosophy get a reputation as being boring?
I just started reading Plato and this shit is FUN to read.
Why is this so much FUN?
If I told people I was reading Plato for fun they would look at me like I was insane.

>> No.14073992

It is fun, when I read Wittgenstein it felt like a novel.

>> No.14074002

>>14073987
The first few pages of Euthrphro are fun, yes. From there it's all downhill.

>> No.14074584

Some philosophers (Plato) are very fun: deep insights topped with dramatic, poetic, and humorous elements. Other philosophers (Aristotle (what we have from him), most of them desu) have none of these elements, and quite often they're not good writers at all

>> No.14074598

Don't get ahead of yourself. The vast majority of philosophy is nothing like Plato.

>> No.14074621

>>14073987
Plato is one of maybe 4 fun philosophers to read. The rest could be considered cruel and unusual punishment.

>> No.14074662

>>14073987
Plato is very fun. He's also the last philosopher to be as fun as he was. Doesn't mean there's not fun philosophy reads but Plato was the actual peak of that.

>> No.14074679

>>14073987
plato is the only philosopher that is actually good at expressing his ideas, good luck reading all the other brainlets that came after him

>> No.14074682

>>14073987
>being
lol. Plato wasn't a philosopher.

>> No.14074683

Philosophy is better than sex.

>> No.14074708

>>14074682
>I'm a weird tranny who wants to disassociate myself from my weird parody of normal existence, which makes me have an intense antipathy to anything to do with 'God' 'tradition' 'being' 'existence' etc and which makes me want to decontruct them

yawn

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14074714

>tfw starting to read Organon after finishing Plato

>> No.14075628

>>14073987
The lack of understanding of your own biased is a very complex matter for others and making sharing any kind of information which change your own concept of the information partake.
ei.: Ones parents forcing their offspring to disregard (any subject) contend until later in life. Thereafter wondering why they could not be able to grasp the subject thoroughly.

Maybe ideas are complex and they may be to simple to show proper example but it would remove opportunities for elaboration on the individuals. Exposition to subject in a matter of neutral sub-justification allow participant to raise their on awareness of it.

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>>14074708
based, dab on that tranny faggot

>> No.14075765

>>14074714
You'll make it. When done you feel like you can read anything. I rec just reading the Organon from Basic Writings of Aristotle for less torture and more relevance for study of Aristotle.

>> No.14075766

>>14073987
Plato is fun. Most others aren't though because they're not very creative writers.

>> No.14075780

>>14073987
Modern philosophy tends to be devoid of literary merit, if you like poetic philosophy I suggest Lucretius

>> No.14075782

>>14073987
Try Heidegger.

>> No.14075802

>>14074584
I wonder how different western philosophy would be if we lost Aristotle's lecture notes and kept his dialogues instead.

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14076199

Why was Thrasymachus such an asshole?

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14076206

>tfw reading an edition that doesn't have an introduction by some competent philosopher who digests the whole book for you so you don't have to read Kant alone.

>> No.14076218

>>14075802
I think about the Roman who said "If Plato's prose was silver, Aristotle's was a flowing river of gold" quite often. Although I don't think what we have of him is just lecture notes, he often cross reference his other works as complete, unified bodies.

>> No.14076404

>>14076199
Thrasymachus was pretty refreshing desu. Pretty good to see someone object and argue with Plato instead of sucking his cock like Glaukon.

>> No.14076647

>>14074714
almost finished Sophistical Refutations here. The Organon has been a real slog so far, but found it became somewhat easier to read after Prior Analytics.

>> No.14076656

>>14074584
Aristotle's Poetic is entertaining read solely based on the weird literary theories he makes and the way he argues them(eg. "Every tragedy must do this"). Bizzarities, like different characters in different tragedies with some similar characteristics using same mythological names make for a good laugh.

>> No.14076688

>>14074002
Fuck you Phaedo was incredible

>> No.14076723

>>14076656
>Every tragedy must do this
isn't It more like "every tragedy does this"?

>> No.14076959

>>14074584
>>14074598
>>14074621
>>14074662
>>14075766
>>14075780
Who are some more fun, literary philosophers? I assume Nietzsche, Schop, Descartes, who else?

>> No.14076976

>>14076959
Shestov, Kierkegaard though he's still fairly dense, Saltus' books on pessimism and philosophy are fantastic, literary overviews of the subjects, and Schelling imo