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Do Muslims and Christians worship the same God?

>> No.14070665

>>14070615
Yes obviously, ironically it's the Jew's God.

>> No.14070679

>>14070665
Judaism, Christianity and Islam aren't an argument about who is the true God, they are an argument about how to worship the true God.

>> No.14070689

>>14070679
I think Judaesm denies Christ as a being a divine prophet of God, whereas Islam recognizes him as one.

>> No.14070699

>>14070689
True but irrelevant to my point.

>> No.14070717

>>14070615
I'd say no because they deny the trinity and downgrade Jesus.

>> No.14070772

>>14070615
I'lll give you the answer, since it doesn't look like anyone here knows it. No we do not worship the same God. The main point of dissension being they do not believe Jesus to be the son of Yahweh, the old testament God. So they think Jesus is just some crack addict that happened to say some correct things, which, ironically, is what fucking muhammad is, a crack head, except he didn't say nearly anything right.

>> No.14071073

>>14070772
youre wrong, muslims dont carry that belief, they believe that jesus was a prophet of god

>> No.14071091

>>14071073
Some even say christ was so pure that he became an avatar of the word of God—he's also the messiah.
The difference is that the word of God in Islam is an inanimate extension of God. Not its own subject.

>> No.14071183

>>14070615

Yes. Catholics, who are not Christians, worship Yaldabaoth though.

>> No.14071192

>>14070615
they like to pretend they do, but in reality they don't

>> No.14071203

>>14070665
No, the jew is a corrupt pagan, they worship Marduk, not the one god, the father

>> No.14071600

>>14070665
this

>> No.14071602

>>14070615
No, they dont share the same attributes

>> No.14071606

>>14070615
No. Muslims deny the crucifiction, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.

They do not worship the same God.

>> No.14071650

>>14070689
Whereas Islam does not recognize him as the son of god

>> No.14071691

>>14070615
>Do Muslims and Christians worship the same God?
It's complicated. Imagine that there's someone you really admire who wrote good books. Some hundred years later, someone pretends to be that person and writes books in their name, even claiming that the old books have been tampered with and aren't pristine but these new books really are original to the author. People love the author because of the new books. The question is, who do they really admire? If you settle the question one way, then they admire the author of the fake books. If you settle the question another way, then they admire the author that you admired centuries before. That's what's going on with Islam. In a sense they do worship the same God as the Christians. But if you're a good Christian you know that God didn't reveal the Quran to them, it must have been some other spirit pretending to be God. So there's a second sense in which they worship a pretender spirit and not God. Both are valid interpretations, and you can accept both simultaneously. Different contexts call for different interpretations to be put to use.

>> No.14071816

>>14070717
>>14070772
>>14071602
>>14071606
By this understanding, Christians do not worship the same God as the Jews, as they too deny your polytheism. Your gods are different from the God of Moses, David, and Jacob.

>> No.14071951

>>14070679
Based

>> No.14071993

Yes and no. Muslims worship Parth of the truth but they reject Jesus and God and the Holy Spirit, so no.

>> No.14072005

Just because we eat different slices doesnt mean we aren't eating from the same pie. Pie of God to big to eat by yourself. Mmmmmm, pie

>> No.14072015

>>14070615
>Do Muslims and Christians worship the same God?
That is official papist doctrine.

>> No.14072016
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14072016

>>14070615
Yes, but he’s dead.

>>14070717
Jesus was just a dude, you polytheistic turd

>> No.14072025

>>14072016
>Jesus was just a dude
Yikes. Repent and believe the gospel.

>> No.14072026

>>14071816
>By this understanding, Christians do not worship the same God as the Jews
Yes, this is correct. Christians worship the trinity, which is the God of the New and Old Testament but not the God Jews worship.

>> No.14072027

>>14071183
Interesting, can you expand on that?

>> No.14072043

>>14072026
>Yes, this is correct. Christians worship the trinity, which is the God of the New and Old Testament but not the God Jews worship.
Which is exactly what a Muslim would say to you - "We worship the God of the Old and New Testament, but not the God Christians worship". In the end, the true understanding is that which God taught His inspired prophets. The prophets did not worship a triune god, but rather the understanding of God we find in Jewish and Muslim theology. The Christians are the odd ones out, and both Jews and Muslims are in agreement that your theology is both polytheistic, and against the understanding of all the prophets, and contrary to the First Commandment.

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14072052

>>14070689
>tfw Jesus was divine but so is everything else

>> No.14072061

>>14070679
This is so succinct and based, I'm gonna be using this anon, if you don't mind

>> No.14072071

>>14072043
Jews and Muslims don't worship the God of the prophets, they at best worship the God of Aristotle. Moses literally met Jesus and the Old Testament constantly alludes to the trinity even if it isn't revealed fully to every reader. I know it's difficult for 82 IQ incest babies to understand theology but there is two decades of philosophy dedicated to explaining the trinity so it isn't our issue that you haven't done the reading necessary to grasp this argument.

>> No.14072103

>>14070679
>>14072061
It's total bullshit though, Jews and Muslims do not worship a triune God who incarnated as man.

>> No.14072112

>>14070615
Jews dont exist, Christianity is right and Islam is Christian heresy which formed into its own religion focusing on the militaristic and violent aspects of God and Israel.

Christians have far more to offer in terms of God and a much closer God to creation than the other two. God is personal and loving and anchoring and while Judaism did have this, it ceased to exist when Christ made the new covenant and so anything the Jews had, they lost and the Christians gained.

The end.

>> No.14072117

>>14072103
muslims believe that a soul is a piece of god and maybe that guy jesus had a bit too much soul in him that he metaphorically became god

>> No.14072119

>>14070665
This. Or gods jews created. It's how the jewish parasite used to root itself within the host.

>> No.14072123

>>14072071
>Moses literally met Jesus
>christcucks actually believe this

>and the Old Testament constantly alludes to the trinity even if it isn't revealed fully to every reader
>even if it isn't revealed fully to every reader
Wew, good argument there, bro. "The Old Testament TOTALLY teaches the trinity, man! Don´t worry about the fact that literally NO ONE ever picked up on this teaching through the thousands of years that God sent prophets to the children of Israel"
No intellectually honest reading of the Old Testament leads anyone to a belief in a trinity. The theology of Abraham is clear, and was clear for thousands of years. Again, only you Christians have come up with this concept, despite thousands of years of study of the OT, as well as countless prophets inspired by God being sent to the Jews. I know all the arguments - "Elohim is the trinity!", and all the foolishness about plurality in the language. It is all bullshit, and you are a polytheist

>> No.14072132

>>14072103
>Jews and Muslims do not worship a triune God who incarnated as man
And this is a theological nightmare for Christians. If Moses, David, and Abraham all understood God the way the Jews and the Muslims understand God, while you guys have a totally different, and even contrary understanding of God, then you guys are in some deep water.

>> No.14072174

>>14072043
Go read Daniel and Isaiah.

>> No.14072183

>>14072123
>Wew, good argument there, bro. "The Old Testament TOTALLY teaches the trinity, man!
Explain to me what the angel of the LORD is without outing yourself as a polytheist. While you're at it, try your best to explain what Christians believe the trinity is without completely embarrassing yourself. Just admit that you can't understand the Old Testament without understanding the New which is why Jews had to create thousands of pages of fanfiction to justify rebelling against God.

>> No.14072185

>>14072132
>And this is a theological nightmare for Christians. If Moses, David, and Abraham all understood God the way the Jews and the Muslims understand God, while you guys have a totally different, and even contrary understanding of God, then you guys are in some deep water.
Moses, David, and Abraham were not Talmudists or Muslims lol

>> No.14072188

>>14070689
>Judaesm denies Christ as a being a divine prophet of God, whereas Islam recognizes him as one.
>Implying both of these views are not heresy.

>> No.14072198

>>14072183
>While you're at it, try your best to explain what Christians believe the trinity is without completely embarrassing yourself
To be fair, you could ask 10 Christians the same question, and get 10 different answers (every one a different heresy, most likely)

>> No.14072202

>>14072198
It doesn't matter since it was settled in the councils and maintained to this day in the Orthodox Church

>> No.14072219

So basically what I got from this thread is Muslims and Christians believe in the same god, but muslims do not see Jesus as the son of god, but his prophet?
What else do Islam and Christianity differ in (core beliefs)

>> No.14072223

>>14072219
>So basically what I got from this thread is Muslims and Christians believe in the same god, but muslims do not see Jesus as the son of god, but his prophet?
No, no, no. It's so simple, Muslims do not believe in a triune God, Christians do. They cannot be the same God.

>> No.14072258

>>14072223
Noah, Abraham, Isak, Jacob, Joseph, David, Solomon, Moses, and Jesus all worshipped the same God - and He is not some schizo with a split personality. The difference between Jews, Christians, and Muslims is that the Christians worship a man, while the Jews and Muslims do not. You are right in that we do not worship the same God - but that is an issue for you, not for us

>> No.14072267

>>14072258
>and He is not some schizo with a split personality
Read about the trinity before discussing it.
>You are right in that we do not worship the same God - but that is an issue for you, not for us
Cool

>> No.14072855

>>14072267
>muh trinity
Three gods are three gods, not one. Read up on elementary math before using numbers

>> No.14073104

>>14072855
I seriously doubt you've even taken a calculus class tripfag

>> No.14073700

"Judaism" ended with the Rabbinical age. Judaism is over. Islam is closer to Mormonism and is essentially an advanced heresy.

>> No.14075101

>>14073104
We're talking about counting, anon. Get that out of the way before discussing the implications of the combining word "tri"

>> No.14075119

>>14075101
>It thinks the trinity is an addition problem
You realise the number one contains natures of both unity and multiplicity, right?

>> No.14076081

>>14075119
Ignore them. Still, Trinitarianism is pretty much impossible to conceive. Every single person who tries to explain is actually committing heresy. Certainly every ante-Nicene Father (like Tertullian, Hippolytus, Origen), but also theologians since (the Cappadocians, Augustine). Even today, William Lane Craig's stuff is pretty much heresy. Ordinary pastors and ministry websites don't fare better. They're usually modalist or tritheist. Possibly the only person to avoid heresy is Aquinas, but he has to rely on straight up dialetheism as far as I care. The Trinity is fucking impossible to explain; any explanation you give is probably either heresy or logically impossible. But thankfully, there's so many other options Christians can pick that aren't logically absurd.

>> No.14076087

>>14072188
I'm not implying anything, I didnt even think I was representing the views correctly.

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>>14075119
You are an adherent to a polytheistic theology

The son, the father and the dust of the pyre.
Church fathers tore apart the original church father’s teachings and it has been a nonsensical wreck ever since

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14076114

Why the fuck people have so many difficulties understanding trinity?

>> No.14076396

>>14076114
I'm one of them honestly

>> No.14076402

>>14076114
how the fuck can a person be his own father AND son?

>> No.14076765

>>14072026
Jehovah witnesses do not believe in the trinity. Do they and muslims believe in the same god?

>> No.14076804

>>14072016
Kys namefag. Follow your nihillistic ways.

>> No.14076813

>>14076402
by being God

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14076820

>>14070615
Read this book to understand the trinity and how it "works" properly.

>> No.14076835

>>14076114
People struggle to understand what omnipotent truly is. It's not lifting heavy rocks or controlling the weather. Its being able to be distinct yet still one.
Muslims are the worst at this. They profess one god but treat him like nothing but minecraft player with creative.

>> No.14078113

>>14070679
based as fuck anon, saving this

>> No.14078118

>>14076820
This. Or the third chapter of Lossky's Mystical Theology

>> No.14078125

>>14076804
>nihilism
I posted Nietzsche, anon.

>> No.14078309

any good english books on alveis and alawites?

>> No.14078354

>>14072016
Excuse me, i'm not even religious, i just gave my opinion on the subject.

>> No.14078468

>>14070679
And by true God is meant one among the other Gods in Sumerian paganism that enslaved people in the Garden of Eden to mine gold.

>> No.14078481

>>14070689
>Christianity is Judaism that recognised Jesus as the Messiah

>> No.14078961

>>14078481
No, Jesus does not fit the criteria of messiah. There is no "The" messiah, there are many messiah.

Christianity changed the meaning of messiah to something completely irrelevant to the Jewish point of view, and I mean that in both difference in definition as well as relation to the metaphysics of Jewish belief. The Christian definition of messiah has absolutely no counterpart or interface to work with in Judiasm.

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>>14078354
Ah, well, unknown person who remains in the shadows, I take it back
Unless this is some kind of joke. Have a nice day

>> No.14079466

>>14076804
Cringe retard

>> No.14080552

bu,p

>> No.14080606

>>14075119
go on...