/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.14066162]

god tolkien was such a fag

[Anonymous No.14066361]

>>14066162
This is based.

[Anonymous No.14066365]

Fucking awesome.

[Anonymous No.14066373]

>>14066162
Based worldview

[Anonymous No.14066385]

>>14066162
Wtf he was a Vargtard after-all. animism is cringe.

[Anonymous No.14066415]

I've kinda wondered how many things would be mythological if we describe them to people from the past

>Tiny little beings causing disease
>India being used to be island and colliding with Asia, creating Himalayas
etc
>We all came from suns some way

[Anonymous No.14066474]

>you will never live in such a world full of wonder

[Anonymous No.14066798]

>>14066385
Not actual animism, a description of its influence on our ancestors and the accordingly different way they understood shared aspects of language. A very nice description too.

[Anonymous No.14066830]

>>14066162
wholesome althought it is still quite corny

[Anonymous No.14066889]

>>14066415
Actually nice post, good job. And that's not even getting into the "machine spirits."

[Anonymous No.14066912]

>>14066474
you do live in that world, modernity has just blinded you to

[Anonymous No.14066918]

I always liked the inextricable link in German between:
>Das Eiche
>Die Eichel
>Das Eichhörnchen
The oak, the acorn, and the squirrel were so closely related that they each shared a variant on the same name.

[Anonymous No.14066947]

>>14066918
>Eichhörnchen
little oak dog?

[Anonymous No.14066948]

>>14066162
He sounds a lot like Chesterton in this. Why though? Does being Catholic have something to do with it?

[Anonymous No.14066952]

>>14066912
I've been entertaining the idea of writing a fantasy story in a scarcely-populated world but with technology on-par in many ways with ours. It'd just be nice to help re-enchant the world in my own small way and show people it's still full of wonder.

[Anonymous No.14066958]

>>14066918
I can imagine Heidegger writing abstruse nonsense on this though:

>"Das Eiche in its fullness gives rise to Die Eichel: which in its falling fosters the Das Eichhornchen" (Sein und Zeit, 223),

[Anonymous No.14066966]

>>14066948
It does if your parish is competent. If you grow up learning the evolution of philosophy from the Greeks to Christ to the early Church to Aquinas and so on, and attending Latin Mass (as Tolkien would have, pre Vatican II), you understand the ancient and medieval mind, and how they differ from our own.

t. attends such a parish

[Anonymous No.14066984]

>>14066918
> Eichel
You mean that thing in my pp?
Also it's die Eiche not das

[Anonymous No.14066997]

>>14066162
A fag who fought in WW1, you tit. What wars have your fought in?

[Anonymous No.14067026]

>>14066162
Science was a mistake

It took all the magic out of the world

[Anonymous No.14067034]

>>14066947
Since there is interest, we first need to clarify that it is not Hündchen but Hörnchen (not that that is any better or that this word separation yields a valid etymology). Further, Hörnchen is a diminutive (or at least follows the pattern) of Horn, which reduction yields:
>Das Eichhorn (legitimate but rare form of the word that is usually only used in diminutive form)
which resembles "acorn" even more, and is nearly pronounced so in German against the English (almost like "eye corn").

[Anonymous No.14067039]

>>14066162
Absolutely BASED

[Anonymous No.14067049]

>>14067026
Science is a tool, and one that hurt men of past times little. Most Natural Philosophers had religious beliefs and to them it likely seemed a magical, exciting process. You could argue that was only because their science was more primitive and learning too much inevitably sucks the fun out of life. Maybe. But I harbor a shred of hope otherwise. I think we're living in an interesting, if soulless, time period and perhaps in a century or two's time a little life can be breathed back into Earth.

[Anonymous No.14067058]

OP got filtered by his own idiocy. Good riddance.

[Anonymous No.14067065]

>>14066984
>Also it's die Eiche not das
Sorry.
>You mean that thing in my pp?
Yes, the etymology is there.

[Anonymous No.14067143]

>>14066162
pretty cringe post to be honest, OP

[Anonymous No.14067153]

>>14066162
>tfw this mythical sense of wonderment has been eroded from all modern societies
>tfw you will never get to experience it

[Anonymous No.14067166]

>>14067153
you can to an extent, you just need to do a looot of de-programming

ffs I know people who have never seen a full sky of stars before. Just shameful.

[Anonymous No.14067171]

How does he know the first people using those terms thought like that? Does he have any hard data?

[Anonymous No.14067174]

>>14067171
He experienced it for himself, and only had to extrapolate backwards

[Anonymous No.14067185]

>>14067153
>tfw you will never get to experience it
You are right. I never will - but my D&D fag friends have.

[Anonymous No.14067212]

>mfw Tolkien was a crypto-pagan

[Anonymous No.14067233]

>>14067166
>de-programming
Explain pls. I honestly don't think it's possible in the modern day.

[Anonymous No.14067241]

>>14067171
This stuff isn't as old as you think, just read the Prose Edda. Mysticism was the norm in all cultures until a few centuries ago.

[Anonymous No.14067243]

>>14067153
you're going to have to do some psychedelics if you want that feeling

[Anonymous No.14067394]

>>14067233
Cut people off, digital media, internet, screens, everything. Read, lift, re-connect with nature, and contemplate. And suffer immensely.

[Wolf No.14068504]

Based

[Anonymous No.14068528]

>>14067241
But the prose Edda is 800 years old

[Anonymous No.14068728]

>>14068528
800 years is practically recent compared to "first men to talk" times

[Anonymous No.14068772]

>>14066415

You can definitely dress up (or down) anything to sound more mythological and poetic. Which is nice, it's part of the role of poetry. A world without romance is a bitter and sad world to inhabit.

[Anonymous No.14068982]

>>14066474
Read this.

[Anonymous No.14069001]

>>14067394
unironically lifting can gave you a glimpse of this ancient worldview, e.g. "respecting" the deadlift
i wrote a shitty cringe poem some years ago about the "god in the iron"

>>14067243
i suggest mescaline / peyote / san pedro, better with a shaman

[Anonymous No.14069104]

>>14066918
*Die Eiche

[Anonymous No.14069153]

>>14066162
Damn that's a beautiful quote.

[Anonymous No.14069164]

Saved.

[Anonymous No.14069170]

>>14066162
that quote is based

[Anonymous No.14069184]

>>14066162
I like it. What is this from so I can read it?

[Anonymous No.14069454]

>>14066162
He had me until the last line.

[Anonymous No.14069504]

>>14066918
Adorable.

[Anonymous No.14069517]

>>14066918
>the acorn
>the one who grows the acorn
>the one who eats the acorn

[Anonymous No.14069552]

>>14066162
The Pagan perspective was honestly really charming and poetic in many regards. My own spirituality is different from either Paganism or Christianity but I certainly wouldn't mind the more holistic approach to the natural world being more prominent in our soulless, modern society; and especially so when our environmental condition has apparently reached the stage it has today. No major traditional religions has seemingly had anything of concern for our treatment of the natural world, save the several long-dead Pagan cultures of Europe. And it's worth asking whether we'd ever have entered the capitalist paradigm we're presently under had pagan mindsets been more prominent in society, instead of the ones which were and are.

[Anonymous No.14069555]

What are some books like this? I feel like a lot of myths paradoxically don't fully describe the "mythos of nature" since they assume it to be shared by the traditionally, mythic-minded reader.

[Anonymous No.14069557]

>>14069552
haha gay

[Anonymous No.14069568]

>>14069552
Tolkein was a devout Roman Catholic and that quote by no means necessitates paganism. This sort of idea regarding nature is a supra-confessional one that applies to all traditional religions before the corruption of them during the Enlightenment and Industrialization. For certain things it makes sense to speak of a Pagan vs Christian dialectic, but for certain traditional ideas, not all needs to be inherent opposition.

[Anonymous No.14069586]

>>14069568
good post

[Anonymous No.14069596]

>>14069568
Oh, fair. I had never seen such perspectives within Christianity, which concerns itself with the transcendent, immaterial world rather than the immanent and natural one, hence why I'd see it as uniquely pagan. I also felt that since LOTR was based in pagan folklore that the author may have had some affinity with that worldview.

[Anonymous No.14069605]

>>14069596
LOTR is an interesting synthesis of pagan and christian themes. Now that I think about it there is probably some academic literature about that.

[Anonymous No.14069615]

Here is a little paper about it
https://cecilecristofari.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/cristofari-paganism-in-middle-earth.pdf

[Anonymous No.14069623]

>>14069596
Once again, I think that the antithesis of immanent vs transcendent is based upon Cartesian ideas and not traditional ones (although such Cartesian outlooks have certainly seeped into deviant forms of Christianity). Traditional religions have both. Take for instance people like St. Francis of St. Isaac the Syrian in the Christian tradition who prayed for animals while at the same time so too recognizing the transcendent that was analogically reflected in all manifested beings. The entire nature of traditional Christian art reflects the fact that the material world has an impact on the Intellect. To completely deny everything natural and material would amount to nothing more than a crude Gnosticism, a viewpoint that is foreign to traditional Christianity.

[Anonymous No.14069631]

>>14067212
Paganism is actually just crypto Christianity

[Anonymous No.14069964]

>>14067153
>>14067166
>>14067394
>be me
>grew up in plains but without any decent sized lakes
>Wasn't allowed to go boating for reasons by parents
>finally saw the night sky reflected in the water last summer on a lake
pretty neat, desu. I love seeing how the stars seem to curve like the inside of a sphere.

[Anonymous No.14070096]

>>14069552
just out of curiosity, what are your spiritual views

[Anonymous No.14070337]

>>14069568
>and that quote by no means necessitates paganism
In much the same way that the male author of a story about two men in a homosexual relationship is not necessarily himself homosexual.

>>14067153
>>14067166
If you want a more intellectual and less effective route then read Eliade and Campbell and if you want a more direct and more dangerous method go have a good strong outdoor trip on peyote or P. cubensis. I suggest combining both.

[Anonymous No.14070368]

>>14066415
It's actually easier to think of it like this, easier to learn and reason. Because, evolutionarily, we are suited to thinking in very straightforward geometric and social terms. Even our sanitised understandings boil down to shitty versions of this.

>>14067171
It's layered interwoven stories vs. linear mechanical causality. It's pretty easy to see the latter is very recent and out of place.

[Anonymous No.14071033]

>>14069184
it's from the authorised biography by humphrey carpenter.
his collected letters are also well worth reading.

[Anonymous No.14071078]

>>14066948
He was a fan of Chesterton

[Anonymous No.14071094]

>>14066958
Kek this is too accurate

[Anonymous No.14071096]

>>14066162
reads like a watered-down Swedenborg

[Anonymous No.14071145]

>>14068772
very much so, i almost killed myself over it whilst studying STEM. everyone and everything was just so stone cold. everything felt completely empty, everyone was just there for themselves, and actual meaningful human interaction was just too rare for me to maintain hope.
spending 3 years in that shithole has disillusioned me so much about the world i have to resort to drugs to stop myself from thinking about suicide all the time.

[Anonymous No.14071148]

>>14066958
lmao pseudgerrians btfo

[Anonymous No.14071151]

>>14066948
I remember Chesterton saying the paganism was really poetry instead of religion. He also said it was better for moderns to be pagan rather than godless because paganism is the seed Christianity grew from.

[Anonymous No.14071152]

>>14071145
Most people don't give a fuck about technical shit, they need a financial incentive to slog through it.

Every philosophy class I've taken was always lively and energetic. Normies care and want to discuss ideas, not polynomials. Not saying STEM can't be a spiritual experience but vast majority of people aren't capable of it

[Anonymous No.14071164]

>>14071152
same for me, i just wanted money. i dunno if it was worth it in the end. i think i'd been better off just studying history right away. maybe i wouldn't have been so depressed by now. I only started visiting 4chan after my first year in the shithole, and got hopelessly addicted to all kinds of stuff after that.

[Anonymous No.14071186]

>>14071164
Any stories about arrogant STEM people?

[Anonymous No.14071214]

>>14066162
Based. Only a small-souled bugman would disagree.

[Anonymous No.14071220]

>>14066415
Based. The 'deromantization' of the world has nothing to do with the actual content of recent theories but everything to do with a change in presentation and hermeneutics.

[Anonymous No.14071249]

>>14066912
Remember anon, 'a man cannot overleap his time'. The artificiality of itself which we call modernity cannot be escaped and is, in this moment, the only truest thing possible to be true. For if we claim it "FALSE!" or a "lie" we also run the risk of abandoning all of mans experience as just that. For if a Nation is not mans most truest thing, a race, a culture, a production of all this, if these are but artificial creations within our times than we also say them to be the eternally artificial and man is reduced to only his ego consciousness and somewhat paradoxically modernity - again.

[Anonymous No.14071255]

>>14067153
Jung did this for me at a time, but I can only do so much.

[Anonymous No.14071267]

>>14066966
>t. attends such a parish
Shame they near don't exist of that high a quality. Especially in such a -now- deadbeat country of Australia.

[Anonymous No.14071269]

The "Deromantization" produced by the Enlightenment is the culprit here. Abrahamic Religions are completely incapable of stopping this mass-legitimization of the natural world. Ironically, the only places capable of standing against this are Asian Pagan religions practiced by peoples who havr no moral qualms against rigid ethnonationalism.

Shinto and Chinese Folk Religion will survive past 2200, Christianity and Islam won't.

[Anonymous No.14071346]

>>14071186
Mostly just these fuckin tryhards sitting in front of the auditorium at all times, answering every question, going through tonnes of extra excercises and discussing them with the professor. Every time there'd be an exam, they'd literally tell every single other professor about their results DURING class, and compare them with everyone else's, laugh at them etc.
Also, we had a couple of critical thinking/humanities classes, and they did so poorly that they had to go cry with the professor afterwards. Then all of a sudden it wasn't because they were dumb, but because the professor was an asshole, and they actually tried to get him evicted cause he gave them a bad grade.
The poor guy only barely managed not to get fired, cause our dean was a spineless loser who'd be so easily bribed you could say literally anything about the staff and he'd explode at them.
These arrogant losers didn't have a single sliver of humanity in their behaviour. They were completely convinced the world went as far as their grades/thesis, and all other people were just tools they had to use to reach their goal.
And believe me, they weren't the exception, more like the norm.

[Anonymous No.14071375]

>>14071346
The most frustrating thing though, was that they actually did get good grades, like all the time. There was never any consolation in seeing they were just egomaniacs convinced they were smart whilst getting shit grades.
I managed to do alright in the end, but in such a cold, competitive environment you can't help but feel self-conscious cause you're always placed at the bottom for not being such a fucking tryhard.

[Anonymous No.14071440]

>>14071145
STEM-bashing is becoming something of a meme. I did Computer Science, and it wasn’t this soul-crushing, autistic, despairing experience. Sure it got really frustrating and stressful at times, and I can imagine at a lot of non-research institutions its very much a technical, self-serving pursuit; but having professors talk about, say, the importance of the von Neumann architecture, or introducing the halting problem, or discussing the implications of P=NP, or proving correctness of an SML program; or implementing threading and memory management in an operating system—these were all artful, fulfilling experiences, for me. plenty of other experiences were exhausting, but that was normally a consequence of my own ineptitude at programming. the degree itself is a worthwhile exercise in acquainting oneself with the concepts underlying large parts of our modern world

[Anonymous No.14071450]

>>14071269
>Shinto and Chinese Folk Religion will survive past 2200, Christianity and Islam won't.

Or perhaps Christianity and Islam will splinter into folk religions? I foresee transformation, not annihilation.

[Anonymous No.14071458]

>>14071440
I can agree with that, I must say my own lack of mathematical abilities made the whole thing more nightmare-ish than it had to be. There were good people there as well, I just mostly experienced it as a toxic and hostile environment most of the time. Again, maybe this was mostly due to my anxiety disorder.

[Anonymous No.14071498]

>>14071346
These people have nothing inside them so they use grades and academic recognition to decorate their void like a Christmas tree. I used to be like that, but not so obnoxious

[Anonymous No.14071507]

>>14070337
The dude was Catholic. He was not writing for pagan larpers. Sorry my man

[Anonymous No.14071536]

>>14071269
Shinto has been dead since the end of WWII. It's all aesthetics now, no spirituality. No young Japanese still think that the emperor is the manifestation of the sun god. It is very similar with Chinese folk religion. Almost all valid Daoist lineage has been destroyed or corrupted and Communist propaganda is cleverly woven into much of the doctrine. These are not even religions at this point, but just a cultural unification that will be lost once and for all when globalization reaches into the back country of China.

[Anonymous No.14071539]

>>14071346
>>14071375
It seems to me that what you're actually upset about is that these people are better than you at something, and that grates at you. Their betterness is made legible by virtue of the grading scale, such that any murkiness about their status is removed. You can call themn"tryhards" (you're paying for an education, why wouldn't you try your best?) as if that's a putdown, bit you're also upset that they're better than you, because you do want those tokens of status (grades), you just can't have them for whatever reason.

You put on this cool internet tough guy persona, but if you weren't truly jealous about a bunch of dweebs getting As you wouldn't act like grades didn't matter while seething about them gettinf said As for actually trying. You COULD get those As if you really wanted, but you're too cool for that. You don't really want those grapes, they're sour after all.

I'm not knocking it, the economy certainly can't handle as many STEMlords as it has (US PhD chemists have a higher unemployment rate that highschool graduates), but look inaide yourself first. What do you really want?

>>14071450
Then they're no longer Christianity and Islam. The entire point of Abrahamism is theological legibility. The defining feature of Abrahamism, codified holy books (The NT and Koran are really just rip-offs of the Torah) is the shining testament to this. Morality, history, and law rigidly defined at a moral level. The Enlightenment, and the atheism it spawned, is just taking this a step further and removing Yahweh to better understand Yahweh.

I'm not saying Jesus won't still be around in some form, but no one will care what the NT and Torah have to say.

[Anonymous No.14071550]

>>14066162
Beautifully said. Maybe eventually i'l force myself to read LOTR.

[Anonymous No.14071592]

>>14067153

You can experience the original stuff that gave rise to pretty much every religion in the entire world.
It's called Astral Projection.

[Anonymous No.14071622]

>>14071539

You haven't taken on the fact that these people went up to the professor to get him fired, yet you focused on the grades only.

[Anonymous No.14071634]

>>14071539
I don't give a fuck about grades, I just meant to say that it's very hard not to feel worthless and empty in an environment where that's all everyone cares about. It was way too antisocial for me.

[Anonymous No.14071645]

>>14071458
its fine
i call the tryhards “Stickers.js”, cause they always got all these hackathon stickers on their laptops. my mates and i made fun of that. the kids always “furiously coding” in class. they’d get big 4 internships etc etc. but everyone pretty much turned out alright landing a job. they probably make $20k more than me, but whatever.
yes, to appreciate the beauty of cs, you do need a good bit of math. however, many algorithms aren’t that hard to understand. an example is scheduling processes in an os as round-robin, or the elevator model of moving a disk head over a harddrive for block retrieval.
another thing i appreciated is the comp arch class (even though mine sucked) where you get into assembly and cpu design.
for me, the awakening was the demystification of computing. im finally understanding that the keystrokes i type get stored as voltages in a buffer, and when the cpu instruction pointer jumps, it all happens in the circuit .
id recommend “the elements of computer systems” it you felt dissatisfied with your classes. it builds a computer from the ground up, starting with logic gates. you implement a circuit design to run on a virtual machine; define your cpu; write a compiler for a language; and write an os. its not as intimidating as it sounds, is a pedagogical book.
what are you doing now?

[Anonymous No.14071671]

>>14071645

Not that anon but I've been looking for a book like that. What you wrote was beautiful.

[Anonymous No.14071699]

>>14067026
Only someone who has no knowledge of science would say this. Just contemplating the size of the universe that science has revealed should be magic to anyone with any imagination. And that is only the beginning of the magic of science. The merging of neuroscience and mysticism is happening at a fantastic rate and will change the course of history in your lifetime.

[Anonymous No.14071738]

>>14066162
cool

[Anonymous No.14071782]

>>14071699
This

[Anonymous No.14071925]

tfw no qt anglo-saxon folk christianity revival

[Anonymous No.14071931]

>>14066385
Jesus either didn't exist or was a jewish rabbi, and christians are solely responsible for the presence of jews and blacks in the western world.

[Anonymous No.14071932]

>>14071925

Soon

[Anonymous No.14071984]

[Anonymous No.14072029]

>>14070096
I try not to elaborate them here because they sound pretty pretentious when laid out. I believe that consciousness is the foundation of reality, i.e not something in reality, but reality itself. Consciousness has all the attributes traditionally ascribed to God - indivisible, singular, immutable, unchanging, perfect, eternal, objective, necessary, and so on. The universe is in consciousness, rather than consciousness being in the universe, hence it's "transcendent" to space-time.

Human beings are at a stage in the animal kingdom whereby we have one foot in the lower world of instincts and another foot in the higher, Divine world. But all of nature, from earthworms to celestial beings, could be seen as a spectrum of Divinity. The reason human beings know of and care for the aspect of the "Divine" is because their own deepest nature is that, and it's essentially surfacing in their waking behaviors, longing to be realized.

The attributes we consider Divine and transcendent, such as: Love, the Beautiful, the Good, the Pure, the Free, the Just, and so on - are themselves the attributes which consciousness in it's most fundamental form consists of. The above are not behaviors, rather, they are conditions. And we only seek them in the first place because they are our fundamental nature, and they appear "transcendent" to us because our nature is such. Consciousness is Being, and since these items correspond the fundamental attributes of consciousness, they naturally remain unchanging in their definition, even as external society changes their views on them. People are mistaken to view the above as behaviors, in which case every individual conceives of a different notion to what constitutes something like Freedom, for example. Some will associate it to being able to pursue one's desires, while another will view it as the very opposite, of being able not to act on one's desires. Both are incorrect, but the one that is nearer to reaching consciousness's foundation (i.e temperance of desire) is more correct.

Moral objectivity exists internally, in the sense that actions of a kind are born from corresponding levels of consciousness, and consciousness's structure therefore being ontologically objective. Violent behaviors are born from lower regions of consciousness, hence why the animal kingdom is so full of brutality - while peaceful, compassionate and loving behaviors are born from higher ones, hence why humans are at the stage we are, inbetween animals and the angels. IThis doesn't answer the question of external moral objectivity, though.

Meditation is the best means of accessing deeper places of your consciousness which are always there but typically veiled by your mental activity.

As for what consciousness is and how it works, I have no clue.

Sorry if this was cringey. I'm also bad at explaining my views in single attempts like this. I have a journal where I elaborate my perspectives with more detail and clarity.

[Anonymous No.14072042]

>>14070096
Also, Advaita and Buddhism are my major influences, and the ideas mentioned there aren't really original to me, being found within the above philosophies. However, I do like to think I came to them through personal reasoning too and not merely external absorption, and have further extensions on them which I didn't explicitly lay out above. If you found any of those concepts intriguing, I'd recommend you read into the above philosophies, where you'll get a much deeper understanding than what I could myself explain of such ideas. Platonism influenced me too.

[Anonymous No.14072067]

>>14072029
>>14072042
spooks everywhere

[Anonymous No.14072658]

>>14072029
>>14072042
Thanks anon, very interesting. I actually share a lot of the same views
> I have a journal where I elaborate my perspectives with more detail and clarity.
I really need to do that too. it would probably help me get my mind straight

[Anonymous No.14072924]

>>14066162
What a beautiful quote.
>>14071539
You haven't addressed any of his qualms other than the grades. Besides, taking issue with your intelligence and potential being rated solely by a single metric is a legitimate concern. People who cheat, who share homework or buy it online, and people who take professors that might not teach as well but grade more leniently are all examples of failings of this system. In high school I took college level math classes and usually got B's on them, but since they're on my transcript now my GPA is lower than someone who does the practices I mentioned above. Taking risks to learn more about the field should be encouraged instead of being a drone who's afraid to upset his gpa and derides those who are not.

[Anonymous No.14073311]

>>14071450
>Or perhaps Christianity and Islam will splinter into folk religions?
They always have been, especially Christianity.

>>14071539
>Then they're no longer Christianity and Islam.
The religious practices of the average European peasant a thousand years ago would be borderline unrecognizable as Christianity and the syncretic elements in particular would probably have the average 4chan Christian screeching about "heresy", "blasphemy" and other such accusations.

>The entire point of Abrahamism is theological legibility.
The entire point of Abrahamism is earning enough GBP to get into heaven if you're not being cynical and if you are being cynical then the point is accruing financial and political power by selling insurance for the soul to the insecure.

>The defining feature of Abrahamism, codified holy books (The NT and Koran are really just rip-offs of the Torah) is the shining testament to this. Morality, history, and law rigidly defined at a moral level.
Yes, and all to the end of knowing what to do to have YHWH admit you into heaven when you die.

>The Enlightenment, and the atheism it spawned, is just taking this a step further and removing Yahweh to better understand Yahweh.
People have been asking those questions since the Greeks; the YHWHists just monopolized the discussion.

[Anonymous No.14073602]

>>14066162
The Christ Cuck cries out in pain as he strikes you

[Anonymous No.14073634]

>>14072658
No problem, thanks for appreciating it. Not a common perspective in the Western world, which typically operates along more dualistic worldviews. But it's a growing one, I feel. And yes, definitely record your ideas down - it greatly helps for both organization and future recollection.

[Anonymous No.14073636]

>>14066162
You got a higher res version of that?

[Anonymous No.14073865]

>>14066162
>>14073602
Giga cringe, low quality posts.

>>14072029
Very high effort post, but not neccesarily based or cringe.

>>14069001
Post the poem.

[Anonymous No.14074054]

>>14066162
>WrathOfCuck
But why?

[Anonymous No.14074065]

>>14071507
He wasn't, but the sentiment is inherently pagan. He is speaking about pagan men and had a deep understanding of paganism. Don't pretend that people can't have notions within themselves that are in conflict with one another, papist.

[Anonymous No.14074123]

>>14069001
Lol come on man you have to post the poem now

[Anonymous No.14074137]

>>14072029
This was interesting. I'm not altogether sure I agree with it all but perhaps some of it just went over my head. You've certainly made me think about things a little bit differently.

[Anonymous No.14074149]

>>14068982
I'll give it a try, thank you Anon.

[Anonymous No.14074169]

>>14074054
wrathofgnon is based, dumb cumbrain

[Anonymous No.14074396]

>>14066162
OP is a faggot nigger and tolkien was based.

[Anonymous No.14074421]

>>14074065
Nope, those statements regarding nature and myth are universal to all traditional religions. You are projecting your we wuz pagan fantasies on to any author you like. Tolkein is not pagan and if the statement was exclusive to paganism, he wouldn't have been a Catholic. If you want to have such a broad definition of paganism to include anyone that likes nature and myth, you could assimilate anything you want into your larping fantasy. Go back to playing WoW.

[Anonymous No.14074799]

>>14073865
>>14074123
>post the poem
don't even know where I saved it
wrote it when training for a 2.5xBW deadlift
it was about how the god in the iron has to be respected, how he punish the neglectful and the arrogant, etc.
focused training gives me this feeling of "otherworldliness", of perfect flowing and sacredness, same with mountaineering

[Anonymous No.14075375]

>>14074137
Thanks anon, I really appreciate that. If you have further questions just ask me.

[Anonymous No.14075793]

>>14074421
>nope
>we wuz
stopped reading, what a retarded NPC drone compulsively diarrheaing out preprogrammed thoughts

[Anonymous No.14075805]

>>14072029
wow this is super retarded and generalized
you could be on the right track if you actually questioned what you just wrote

you know why you know it's cringey? because you don't bother to explain any of this shit in depth and you're too lazy and/or afraid too because you're self loathing

[Anonymous No.14076189]

>>14074421
>there is no such thing as complexity or subtlty
Fuck off and go do STEM like the inhuman little calculator that you are

[Anonymous No.14076277]

>>14066162
Reminds me of this Arthur Conan Doyle quote
>In those simple times there was a great wonder and mystery in life. Man walked in fear and solemnity, with Heaven very close above his head, and Hell below his very feet. God’s visible hand was everywhere, in the rainbow and the comet, in the thunder and the wind. The Devil, too, raged openly upon the earth; he skulked behind the hedgerows in the gloaming; he laughed loudly in the night-time; he clawed the dying sinner, pounced on the unbaptized babe, and twisted the limbs of the epileptic.

[Anonymous No.14076288]

>>14066474
do psychedelics

not even continuously, it's not like a drug fix, you can do acid once and have newly opened eyes to the wonder of the world you live in

[Anonymous No.14076708]

>>14074421
It seems a nerve has been touched. The world of the papist really is very fragile, no wonder their traditional theological defence is burning.

[Anonymous No.14076713]

>>14075805
cringe

[Anonymous No.14076731]

>>14071164
>i just wanted money
well no shit you didn't like it. don't project just because you're incapable.

[Anonymous No.14076741]

>>14071539
You're exactly the kind of mongrel he described, except in all likelihood without the raw wits to get by in spite of your vile personality.

[Anonymous No.14076862]

We still have plenty of more recent terms with comparable animate descriptiveness and the original meanings of many words may have become long forgotten by historical peoples.

[Anonymous No.14076898]

>>14066958
german philosophy btfo

[Anonymous No.14077014]

Anons. I have a question about Elves in Tolkien's fiction.

Do Elves poop?

[Anonymous No.14077019]

>>14077014
im an elf and im pooping rn

[Anonymous No.14077094]

[Anonymous No.14077116]

>>14077014
Poop is part of the corruption of Morgoth, so no, Elves cannot and do not poop.

[Anonymous No.14077889]

>>14069605
>>14069596
LotR is pagan cosmology with Christian ethics

[Anonymous No.14077908]

>>14071249
I think I understand. Could you explain to me like I'm a little child though?

[Anonymous No.14077909]

>>14074421
this is exactly true. orthodox Christianity has always affirmed the existence of governing spirits in nature. the problem in paganism isn't believing that there are gods and spirits, but sacrificing to them, worshiping them, making yourself subject to the powers and principalities overthrown by Christ.

[Anonymous No.14077914]

>>14077889
mega high IQ

There's book on the angelology of the Ainur available on libgen. Tolkien's real innovation is his narrativization of a personal mysticism.

[Anonymous No.14078248]

>>14074799
i think people in trades have similar attitude towards their tools

[Anonymous No.14078727]

"Spare us your pity, scum. You gush about your connection with nature, your primal wisdom, but what has it brought you?

"Where are your marvels of engineering? Your voyages of discovery? Your great insight into the nature of the universe? Even at our basest, when we dressed as you do, dwelt as you do, hunted as you do, lived as you do, we did more than merely survive. We built wonders. We made great journeys. We forged epics. You have not.

"You speak so proudly of the plugs dangling from your skulls, little realizing that they are but strings and you puppets. What little you have accomplished you attribute to the wisdom of your goddess, who is nothing but the voices of your dead echoing for all eternity. She moors you to the past, serving as a leash that keeps you as little better than apes, sad parodies of civilization that lack that special spark to become something more.

"We have come to your world in search of resources. Whether your actions drive us back or we take what we want and move on, the outcome is the same. We will depart from your wretched planet, leaving you behind. And in a thousand years, you will not have changed from this contact with another world. You will remain in your trees, hunting your prey, communing with your goddess, until your sun burns out and your world dies.

"And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us..."

[Anonymous No.14078744]

>>14066952
I write fantasy stories with broadly 20th century tech, it's comfy.

[Anonymous No.14078828]

>>14078727
>the stars will belong to us..."

See, this is the sad thing: the person who wrote this fan-fic or whatever it is wanted this line to be imposing, but it just comes across as childish. The oh-so advanced and oh-so realist speaker of these lines is still caught up in the delusion of private property, of "mine" and "Yours".

Imagine thinking that you can "own" a star.

[Anonymous No.14078839]

>>14078828
agreed

[Anonymous No.14078867]

>>14074123
What the fuck lmao , hilarious picture

[Anonymous No.14078871]

>>14078828
>Not owning a star
Not gonna make it

[Anonymous No.14078948]

>>14066958
>the Das

[Anonymous No.14079028]

>>14069631
You're not making any sense anon.
Christianity is a lot younger than the pre-christian natural faiths of Europe

[Anonymous No.14079123]

>>14071931
>Jesus either didn't exist or was a jewish rabbi
God incarnate, actually.

[Anonymous No.14079672]

>>14079123
Return to the desert

[Anonymous No.14079687]

>>14075793
>says the one who has no argument but name calling NPC :)

[Anonymous No.14079707]

>>14076708
Not an argument. I can't even imagine being a pagan when you have to resort to using Catholics who hated the very thing you believed in to try and justify your larp.

[Anonymous No.14079783]

>>14079707
>le evurrthing I le dont liek is LARP

[Anonymous No.14079797]

>>14066162
>brehs like words... mean TOTES diff things to other people, man

duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude

[Anonymous No.14079830]

>>14079797
110iq, please return to watching sports

[Anonymous No.14079839]

>>14079783
You seem insecure

[Anonymous No.14079844]

>>14068982
>>14066474
And this. Corbin's interpretation of the ta'wil hits pretty close.

[Anonymous No.14079854]

>>14079707
Is it exhausting being this stupid? A PERSON CAN HAVE CONTRADICTORY NOTIONS. THIS IS NOT A DIFFICULT CONCEPT. Tolkein was not a pagan. He may on some level have held intellectual contempt for paganism. He also held many pagan notions and cherished them dearly. Frankly, my dear, cope.

[Anonymous No.14079884]

>>14071269
Orthodoxy is plenty mystrious. Just latin/augustinianism

[Anonymous No.14079898]

>>14079854
You aren't any less wrong if you type in capital letters sweetie. Trying to project your pagan larping and appropriating his thoughts as being pagan is pathetic. Appreciating the outdoors and mythology doesn't make you pagan; these are not unique concepts. End of story.

[Anonymous No.14080415]

>>14071931
>either didn't exist or was a Jewish rabbi
Stupid dichotomy

>Christians are solely responsible for bla bla
Stupid oversimplification and likely not even accurate

>>14079672
Go pray to a tree or something

[Anonymous No.14080424]

>>14079898
You're right, it is the end of the story for you. In all likelihood you're never going to take off your papist blinkers, and you'll die as ignorant as you lived.

[Anonymous No.14080491]

>>14080424
You sound very bizarre as a pagan using an insult that was coined by and is exclusively used by fundamentalist Protestants. I literally start to laugh whenever you post, it is so unusual.

If /pol/ larping is the hidden knowledge I'm missing, I think I'm good for now.

[Anonymous No.14080509]

>>14067049
>>14071699
Very yes.

Feynman reframes this topic very succinctly in a way I have appreciated more and more over the years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbFM3rn4ldo

[Anonymous No.14080918]

>>14080415
>Go pray to a tree or something
Yes I will

[Anonymous No.14081053]

>>14066162
he's like not wrong but also this is super cringe

[Anonymous No.14081071]

>tfw only get wonder from fictional sources

[Anonymous No.14081123]

>>14080509
>>14067049
How do I get this mindset? I'm just like the artist Feynman references, I can't shake this feeling that science, particularly contemporary science, takes the soul out things. To me knowing why the flower has taken the form it does makes it seem lifeless and mechanical, it doesn't raise my interest at all.

[Anonymous No.14081289]

>>14066162
Tolkein dropping a major redpill. Beauty is all around us OP is just an edgelord who can't understand this feeling.

[Anonymous No.14081318]

>>14067153
also from that same passage
>Indeed only by myth-making, only by becoming a 'sub-creator' and inventing stories, can Man aspire to the state of perfection that he knew before the Fall. Out myths may be misguided, but they steer however shakily towards the true harbor, while materialistic 'progress' leads only to a yawning abyss and the Iron Crown of evil.

[Anonymous No.14081486]

>>14066162
What the stars actually are is literally way more incredible and awe inspiring than house sized globs of incandescent silver embedded in a black roof.

The Earth is still seen as womb that all living things come from. Because it is.

This is dumb as hell.

[Anonymous No.14081508]

Should I read the Hobbit first?

[Anonymous No.14081513]

>>14067026
Magic, and magical thinking, is a blight upon the human mind. You can still have beauty and romance without mysticism.

[Anonymous No.14081521]

>>14067153
>>14081071
Wonder isn't so hard to cultivate. It's just more difficult than everything else now. Wonder comes when a question is asked. Satisfaction comes when a question is answered. Stop treating the world as a series of answered questions and wonder will return.

Steiner says:
> In actual fact, in the soul that wants to penetrate to truth, this condition must first be present: the soul must stand before the universe in a mood of wonder and marveling. And anyone who is able to comprehend the whole force of this expression of the Greeks comes to perceive that when a man, irrespective of all the other conditions by which he arrives at the study and investigation of truth, takes his start from this mood of wonder, from nothing else than a feeling of wonder in face of the facts of the world, then it is in very truth as when you drop a seed in the ground and a plant grows up out of it. In a sense we may say that all knowledge must have wonder for its seed.

It's easy to plant a seed. Anyone can do it, if he goes to the effort. And to plant a seed isn't even required for wonder. To merely behold the miracle of life spawning from earth will do it. Any blade of grass, any star, any rogue stone embedded in the sidewalk is the deliverer of wonder, if one takes a moment to consider the question of origin, instead of dwelling only on the answer of fact.

[Anonymous No.14082669]

>>14066361
>>14066365
>>14066373
samefag