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>In every society philosophy only comes into being when civilisation does
>Philosophers are doctors trying to diagnose the many ailments civilisation burdens humanity with
>The only real answer to any philosophical problem is the destruction of civilisation and a return to nomadic life
>Everything else is merely a bandage or painkillers
Before you chime in, any philosopher who specialises in being a pedantic pseud concerned with definitions and proof of banal bullshit like truth and "what is the self" is a wanker who deserves nothing but a swift kick to the balls. That isn't philosophy, that's fart sniffing autism sudoku.

>> No.14059656

You do you

>> No.14059669

>>14059656
Get off this board, you child.

Take your cringe inducing, mealy mouthed, milquetoast attitude to life with you. We are not all equally right, you fucking coward. Grow a spine.

>> No.14059674

>>14059654
>Philosophers are doctors trying to diagnose the many ailments civilisation burdens humanity with
What about political philosophy then? Personally I consider it the most important and useful branch, and it concerns itself with the ideas and values behind governance. It doesn't necessarily try to diagnose anything. J.S Mill for example is hugely influential in how we think about government but he doesn't do much of what you said.

>> No.14059679

>>14059674
>What about political philosophy then?
Pseud shit, like everything to do with politics. It's no different than watching anime.

>> No.14059737

>>14059679
You started off with:
>Philosophers are doctors trying to diagnose the many ailments civilisation burdens humanity with
Wouldn't that involve a lot of engagement with political philosophy? The root of many problems lies with how society is organized, which is a political question.

>> No.14059752

>>14059737
>Wouldn't that involve a lot of engagement with political philosophy?
No. Politics and political philosophy is just kill time, it doesn't try to diagnose shit. There is no optimal way to run a civlisation, it will always be shit.

>> No.14059758

>>14059669
That’s just your opinion.

>> No.14059764

>>14059752
>There is no optimal way to run a civlisation, it will always be shit.
Maybe it's because life will always be shit?

>> No.14059772

>>14059654
You need metaphysical claims in order to have ethical claims silly.

>> No.14059780

>>14059764
Or maybe it's just life in civilisation that's shit?

The suffering of humanity in civlisation is purely mental. Which is far far far worse than any physical suffering you'd face outside of civilisation.

>> No.14059792

>>14059780
t. never went hungry for more than a day

>> No.14059825

>>14059737
Political philosophy is a meme because there is no resolution or an answer to any type of governance.Because people in essence are flawed beings and it makes sense for us to not being able to create a perfect system where people can live in harmony and peace.It all boils down to fear insecurity and radicalism with any type of governance since they cant really be objective when people are polarized and divided into different ideologies.

>> No.14059831

>>14059792
You can always fill your belly, you can't do the same for your mind.

>> No.14059851

>>14059825
>Political philosophy is a meme because there is no resolution or an answer to any type of governance.Because people in essence are flawed beings and it makes sense for us to not being able to create a perfect system
Political philosophy is not about creating a perfect system. Read something like On Liberty. It's a brilliant work of political philosophy that will justify principles that are familiar to anyone living in a liberal democracy. Texts like this define how we live.

>> No.14060212

>>14059758
It's a fact

>> No.14060467

>>14060212
I'm epismistically incredulous.

>> No.14060483
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14060483

I actuallu agree with this desu

Here is Whitehesd on something similar.
"Also we must recollect the basis of our procedure. I hold that philosophy is the critic of abstractions. Its function is the double one, first of harmonising them by assigning to them their right relative status as abstractions, and secondly of completing them by direct comparison with more concrete intuitions of the universe, and thereby promoting the formation of more complete schemes of thought. It is in respect to this comparison that the testimony of great poets is of such importance. Their survival is evidence that they express deep intuitions of mankind penetrating into what is universal in concrete fact. Philosophy is not one among the sciences with its own little scheme of abstractions which it works away at perfecting and improving. It is the survey of sciences, with the special objects of their harmony, and of their completion. It brings to this task, not only the evidence of the separate sciences, but also its own appeal to concrete experience. It confronts the sciences with concrete fact."

“Philosophy is not a mere collection of noble sentiments. A deluge of such sentiments does more harm than good. Philosophy is at once general and concrete, critical and appreciative of direct intuition. It is not—or, at least, should not be—a ferocious debate between irritable professors. It is a survey of possibilities and their comparison with actualities. In philosophy, the fact, the theory, the alternatives, and the ideal, are weighed together. Its gifts are insight and foresight, and a sense of the worth of life, in short, that sense of importance which nerves all civilized effort. Mankind can flourish in the lower stages of life with merely barbaric flashes of thought. But when civilization culminates, the absence of a coördinating philosophy of life, spread throughout the community, spells decadence, boredom, and the slackening of effort.”

>> No.14060548

>>14059654
So, anarcho-communism? nomadism? By trying to dethrone philosophers, you yourself invite yourself into a cage match with philosophy.
If you were a true believer of your own statements, then you needn't convince anyone else to go back to the jungle, and go there yourself.
But even this argument is more philosophy. You are within the palm of the buddha, And The Answer Is Always The Same is a poem I wrote to express my frustration with this idea.
To ask a question, already, is to enter into a debate with others and yourself. It would be much easier to give into curiosity and fully live in the question, "what is there?", but because humans gonna human this is impossible.
They inevitably seek another person to match their words, their meaning, their image, their age- it is endless. And because agreement is always sought, it cannot be found.

>> No.14060679

>>14060548
He's not trying to "dethrone philosophers" (you namefaggot) but the civilisation that they deliberate upon.