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Let's try this again.
Nietzsche.
Discuss.

>> No.1403121

How do you view the Ubermensch?

>> No.1403118

That On Truth and Untruth is a compendium?

>> No.1403122

God is dead.

>> No.1403125

Lady, you're coming off as a huge attention whore.

>> No.1403132

>>1403118
it is. what are you asking?

>> No.1403129

there is no point in living

>> No.1403134

I've heard from Nietzsche scholars that Thus Spoke Zarathustra is the absolute worst place to start reading Nietzsche. I haven't read it myself (just Birth of Tragedy and Case of Wagner), but I plan to read some others first.

>> No.1403136

how can I hold books correctly

>> No.1403139

women are useless sluts and whores.. oh and god is dead

>> No.1403140

>>1403134
Whoops. It's the first one I read.

>> No.1403141

hey. how yellow are your teeth?

>> No.1403148

Like a fucking camwhore can understand anything about philosophy.

Get out, we have enough tripfags here, we don't want a camwhore

>> No.1403146

>>1403132
I usually don't like compendiums. Which texts are included?

>> No.1403143

I see you still haven't learned to take a proper picture whore

>> No.1403142

“He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.” - Friedrich Nietzsche

Why even go there?

>> No.1403153

>>1403146
the gay science
beyond good and evil
on the genealogy of morals
the will to power
twilight of the idols
the antichrist

>> No.1403155

who do I have to talk to on /fit/ or /fa/ to get your nudes?

>> No.1403158

>>1403148
I won't post often, don't worry.

>> No.1403162

>>1403148
no i think she should stay.

OP there are no /lit/ girl trips here & the last one that stayed for a day turned out to be a kind of pathetic whore (tripsk). i think you should stay so there's a recognisable female voice on /lit/. do it!

>> No.1403163

>>1403155
piss off, this thread is not about my tits.

>> No.1403167

>>1403162
very well. i'll post when i can.

>> No.1403169

OP I suggest you start by telling what the books brought you to get more respect.

>> No.1403172

Okey doke.

Anyone think one of the most fundamental failings of the text, the clue or idea of the prophet "Zarathustra", is either overlooked or misinterpreted?

>> No.1403174

OP why do you waste your time pouring over someone else's ideas and ideologies instead of coming up with your own?

Or are you incapable of original thought?

>> No.1403177

Your fingers look fat.

>> No.1403186

>>1403169
Well, I was rather impressed by the compendium on truth. In short, it talks about how Nietzsche's views changed from focusing on truth itself to whether or not truth is good, which I think is accurate, having read a good number of his writings. It provides numerous quotes from his works to support the thesis and it's really spot-on.

>> No.1403188

>>1403172
Zarathustra was clearly a vehicle to convey Nietzsche's ideals. It wasn't meant to be taken literally.

>> No.1403189

>>1403153
All that or just some chapters from each or what?

Also, isn't The Will to Power also a compendium, or an unfinished work put together by his sister?

>> No.1403190

brittany?

>> No.1403192

>>1403174
What about this discussion implies that I don't? It's important to study the philosophy of others so that one may broaden one's perspective.

>> No.1403195

>>1403189
just some chapters from each in chronological order.
will to power was a posthumous compilation of his notes which were adulterated by his sister

>> No.1403198

How do you feel about whips?

>> No.1403202

LULZOR,

OP IS A FAT DONKEYCUNT.

I'M A PUBLISHED AUTHOR AND I DON'T EVEN GIVE A FUCK.

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT?

>> No.1403206

>>1403174
Original thought only comes from dialog and conflict with other's ideas. Otherwise you would be inventing the wheel.

>> No.1403204

>>1403202
>DON'T EVEN GIVE A FUCK.
>my thoughts exactly

>> No.1403207

I'd fuck you OP, while reading some Nietzsche, although it would be from Beyond Good and Evil, his best.

>> No.1403233

YO MAMA SO FAT, SHE REVEAL HER INNERMOST NEUROSES IN HER TRIPCODE AND STILL EXPECT BE TAKEN SERIOUS.

>> No.1403234

Really OP I don't understand you, are you scatophiliac or something ? Because all you'll receive here will be shit thrown at you, it isn't worth any time or effort of constructive exchange. I don't get you OP.

>> No.1403240

>>1403233
>yo mama's tripcode
>but it's her tripcode
>eternal recurrence

>> No.1403263

>>1403195
>will to power was a posthumous compilation of his notes which were adulterated by his sister
nonsense. there was a holy war over nietzsche in the humanities of the 60s. first he was a fascist, not it is just his sister. throw a look on human all-to-human or zur genealogie der moral.

>> No.1403268

>>1403263
He hated his sister. Called her "that stupid, anti-semitic goose" or something similar.

>> No.1403277

>>1403268
...he was in love with his sister

>> No.1403293

>>1403277
It's not a good citation, but the article is good.

And it should have been vengeful, not stupid:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/ben_macintyre/article3634609.ece

>> No.1403314

>>1403268
>Unangenehme, ja gefährliche Eigenschaften hat jede Nation, jeder Mensch; es ist grausam, zu verlangen, dass der Jude eine Ausnahme machen soll. Jene Eigenschaften mögen sogar bei ihm in besonderem Maasse gefährlich und abschreckend sein; und vielleicht ist der jugendliche Börsen-Jude die widerlichste Erfindung des Menschengeschlechtes überhaupt. Trotzdem möchte ich wissen...
from Menschliches Allzumenschliches.
No, no, no, most certainly not an antisemite. no.

I do not study the humanities but I keep hearing the same factoids from the students who do. I wonder if any professors actually takes the time to read the actual Nietzsche before regurgiating them.

He was a protofascist. He was the favourite write of all elitist twits including those Ãœbermensch ideologists of the nazi party. He flirted with the right wing of the Second Reich as much as with it's liberals. You can't be read and discussed without being outrageously ambiguous. When is the last time we discussed a random left-hegelian?

>> No.1403318

I didn't know camwhores could be nihilists

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>>1403277
I wish you were my sister. I'd make your thighs like butter, easy to spread, and we could make sandwiches.

>> No.1403319

I've never heard of Ehcsztein

>> No.1403321

>>1403277
If there is any truth to Italian neorealist cinema they had a menage à trois with her and rilke. also, they pissed in an urn.
o.O
übermensch.

>> No.1403322

>>1403204
get out of my /lit/ whore. Who the fuck, who the fuck let you out of the kitchen?

>> No.1403326

>>1403318
But they most certainly do not belong to the common herd.

>> No.1403329

>>1403321
Wasn't that Lou Andreas-Salomé?

>> No.1403331

>>1403316

Here's hoping your parents never have a girl.

>> No.1403332

I picked up Beyond Good and Evil. I can't get through it. Just like every other book.

>> No.1403335

>>1403314
>>Unangenehme, ja gefährliche Eigenschaften hat jede Nation, jeder Mensch; es ist grausam, zu verlangen, dass der Jude eine Ausnahme machen soll. Jene Eigenschaften mögen sogar bei ihm in besonderem Maasse gefährlich und abschreckend sein; und vielleicht ist der jugendliche Börsen-Jude die widerlichste Erfindung des Menschengeschlechtes überhaupt. Trotzdem möchte ich wissen...
>from Menschliches Allzumenschliches.

Can you translate that?

>> No.1403340

>>1403322
>Also sprach das Eisen zum Magneten: »Ich hasse dich am meisten, weil du anziehst, aber nicht stark genug bist, an dich zu ziehen.«

>> No.1403344

Why does it appear that on this board, more so than others, the tripfags have such a prominent hold? Disgusting.

>> No.1403357

>>1403344
We're full of it.

>> No.1403363

>>1403321
Care to explain this reference for me?

>> No.1403367

>>1403335
No, since I want you to read the whole book. Genealogie der Moral is just as good. It claims that Christendom is Judaism (the ethic of Egyptian slaves) enforced over the blond heathen masters of europe.

Just where the words "fair" and "mean" come from in your Aryan mother tongue, says Nietzsche. And it was not the late and cathatonic Fritz.

>> No.1403372

>>1403367
Well, I thought you were trying to make a point with the quote but I can't read german, but whatever.

>> No.1403375

>>1403344
It is a slow board thus we are constantly sieged by the few hermits with an overflowing cup.

>> No.1403377

i like the other thread better its lulzy

>> No.1403379

>>1403314
>Naive reading of an out of context passage
Great job!

>> No.1403384

>>1403372
it's where he claims there is no beast worse than the youthful kike from the stock exchange. do you know of an english language Nietzsche repository, anon?

>> No.1403394

>>1403384
Be wary of an open Nietzsche repository, since the source may have his sister's hand in there.

>> No.1403410

>>1403379
yes, just keep vomiting your dumb professor's factoids. who did he got them from? That french anarchist scatterbrained fuck from the 1960s? that is passé. out of context?
he does agree with every single premise of his contemporary antisemites. yes, they are miser, selfish. yes, they are hell-bend on destroying everything hold sacred by the aryan christian soul "and i love them for that. it's so uber."
"there is no beast more ferocious than the stock exchange jew." a worthwhile opponent, i say.

>> No.1403414

>>1403384
He's saying that, like every other race, the Jews also have their less desirable qualities, so why exclude them for this reason from a conception of a European man? He's pointing out a false argument.

>> No.1403424

>>1403410
I would find this easier to believe if he didn't actively hate antisemitism, and indeed any form of racism. And if you weren't an idiot spouting out your ill formed opinions.

>> No.1403425

>>1403410
Considering what Nietzsche understood for beast and ferocious that may even be a positive remark

>> No.1403438

OP, Have you read Ernest Renan? I just wrote a piece on his work and a bit is below here. Totally recommended to check out.

My discussion continues mainly in the context of French writers contemporary with Nietzsche, particularly Ernest Renan, the hugely successful author of Vie de Jésus and Professor of Semitic Languages at the Collège de France, in some respects a triumphant alter ego of Nietzsche, being both philologist and wide-ranging thinker, though today their relative importance is reversed.

>> No.1403441

>>1403394
lol. I see you academics react like pavlov dogs to defend your nietzsche. but his sister only published his wille zur macht. she didn't force him to suck wagner's neopagan cock, nor to claim that all christian morals and all enlightenement philosophy (and first and foremost socialism) were jewish slave morals wrongfully enforced over heathen slave drivers. Human all too human came in 1878, the genealogy in 1887, also before his supposed madness.
the french indie sex+anarchy-philosopher tried to pretend he didn't write Wille zur Macht. It was compiled by his sister from his personal writings, but they liked to pretend it was a forgery. It left more room for pretentious übermensch homosex.

>> No.1403455

>>1403414
why do internet loners hold nietzsche so dear?
you will cling to him no matter what. read on zarathustra with his followers. nietzsche fanboyism should be an oxymoron. but, alas, it is not.

>> No.1403468

>>1403424
This is wishful thinking. How could Nietzsche become everyone's favourite pop star out of a reactionary philosopher from the Gründerkrise era of the Second Reich?

>> No.1403483

>>1403414
>so why exclude them for this reason from a conception of a European man?
no: he is talking about the "future european race", not about some compolite's abstract drivel. He was on our side. Live with it, commie.

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1403487

They just are.

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1403490

Yes.

From >>1403416

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>>1403487
>Fromm und schweigsam wandelt er hin auf Sternen-Teppichen – aber ich mag alle leisetretenden Mannsfüße nicht, an denen auch nicht ein Sporen klirrt.

>> No.1403602

>>1403134
>>1403140
>>1403188

Neitzsche himself claimed that Thus Spoke was his magnum opus. He believed it was the best summary of his views available, and everything else only explored aspects of Thus Spoke in more detail.

>>1403277
>>1403314
You are now aware that Nietzsche's sister edited many of his texts after his death, and reinterpreted them to be racist to support her own fascist views. Nietzsche himself hated fascism and his sister.

>> No.1403638

>>1403483
You're misinterpretation only makes sense if you think he's talking about a proto European race; one that has always existed. This is not what he's talking about in that section of Human All too Human, since he's looking to a future conception of a European "race", since he's discussing the breakdown of nations. He even says if we want progress like that of Ancient Greece, we need the Jews, as they were the leaders of the enlightenment.

>> No.1403654

>>1403602
>You are now aware that Nietzsche's sister edited many of his texts after his death, and reinterpreted them to be racist to support her own fascist views. Nietzsche himself hated fascism and his sister.
not again! see
>>1403483
>>1403441
also, you are now aware he claimed Jews were just as important international politics as the Russian Empire while the Germans closing borders to Jewish immigrants was an instinctive defense against a more powerful and pure race. (Beyond Good and Evil 251, published 1886 by Friedrich Nietzsche personally)

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>>1403654
>>1403638

>> No.1403689

>>1403676
No, I'm not Jewish. I am more of a fascist. I hate it when the left wing tries to highjack our Nietzsche.

According to the Protocols of Elders of Zion Nietzscheanism was primarily spread by Jews. Apparently it was garbled in the way.

>> No.1405169

>>1403335


>>Unangenehme, ja gefährliche Eigenschaften hat jede Nation, jeder Mensch; es ist grausam, zu verlangen, dass der Jude eine Ausnahme machen soll. Jene Eigenschaften mögen sogar bei ihm in besonderem Maasse gefährlich und abschreckend sein; und vielleicht ist der jugendliche Börsen-Jude die widerlichste Erfindung des Menschengeschlechtes überhaupt. Trotzdem möchte ich wissen...

Unpleasant, even dangerous qualities mark each nation, each human being; it is cruel to demand that the Jew be an exception. Those qualities, in him, could be particularly dangerous and even repulsive, and perhaps the young purse-Jew is the most disgusting invention of mankind in general. Regardless would I like to know...

Seems, out of context, that Nietzsche both acknowledged the ubiquity of unpleasantness in humanity and even dubbed stereotypes of Jews as flawed.

Anyhow, from a letter to his sister, translated:
"In the meantime I've seen proof, black on white, that Herr Dr. Förster has not yet severed his connection with the anti-Semitic movement. [...] Since then I've had difficulty coming up with any of the tenderness and protectiveness I've so long felt toward you. The separation between us is thereby decided in really the most absurd way. Have you grasped nothing of the reason why I am in the world? [...] Now it has gone so far that I have to defend myself hand and foot against people who confuse me with these anti-Semitic canaille; after my own sister, my former sister, and after Widemann more recently have given the impetus to this most dire of all confusions. After I read the name Zarathustra in the anti-Semitic Correspondence my forbearance came to an end. I am now in a position of emergency defense against your spouse's Party. These accursed anti-Semite deformities shall not sully my ideal!!"

My emphasis:
"These accursed anti-Semite deformities shall not sully my ideal!!"

>accursed anti-Semite deformities

>> No.1405180

Nietzsche wasn't that good. Schopenhauer and Stirner, his too hugest inspirations, were much more interesting.