the greeks are gay

[Anonymous No.14016085]

I fell for the meme but the forms are a shit idea and the republic? Absolute state control + eugenics? Why does ANYONE take Plato seriously?

Tyranny is bad but if I'm given absolute control of society and censor all art, it'll form a perfect society.

[Anonymous No.14016103]

Why does everyone talk about Plato but not Aristotle? :3

[Anonymous No.14016109]

>>14016103
Because they give up in their quest to "start with the Greeks" when faced with 2000 pages of Plato's wank.

I don't regret the 40% of that book, or so, that I read but fuck me, a lot of it is pure shite.

Is daddy Aristotle better?

[Anonymous No.14016114]

>>14016085
That's how you create productive and prosperous societies, though.

[Anonymous No.14016115]

>>14016085
Eastern philosophy is way better than Western philosophy, and this is something clearly displayed by the current state of the West
Read “Tao Te Ching”.

[Anonymous No.14016120]

>>14016109
You sound like a Plebbitor from Britain. Fuck off, niggerlover.

[Anonymous No.14016124]

>>14016085
You are gay, and probably baiting. Hes still the steping stone
>>14016103
Anyone who does not study Aristotle cannot understand the basics of western political and philo theory. Most things after were either an embrase or rejection of him. Hobbes, etc.

[Anonymous No.14016130]

>>14016120
I'm starting to think you're upset because he is correct.

Aristotle shouldn't make anyone feel like a brainlet, he is incredibly dense at times and many scholars disagree about the overall meaning constantly. :3

[Anonymous No.14016131]

>>14016120
>Justice helps bad people

"haha, well memed my friend, let me SCHOOL you"

>>>>>justice is good for good for good people because unjust people actually feel bad inside

mfmw

[Anonymous No.14016138]

>>14016130
He hasn't even delivered argument why state control + eugenics is a no-no, so he can't be correct.

[Anonymous No.14016157]

>>14016138
Well, in my view his purpose seems to be aimed towards stability and production, regardless of actual human happiness.

As long as everyone is continually doing their job at 100% and no one is dying, it's a perfect state. This is regardless of how people feel and its why the "guardian class" needs to be maintained with pure lies to make sure they stay in line.

He seems to take a view that people are just fleshy robots and the strength of the state has precedence above all else.

[Anonymous No.14016171]

Lmao it's a shitwit memer thinks he can comprehend the intricacies of Platonic doctrine in one pass episode

[Anonymous No.14016190]

>>14016157
>Well, in my view his purpose seems to be aimed towards stability and production, regardless of actual human happiness.
Even third world countries with way fewer niggers are happier than America and England. Look it up. First worlders are unhappy already. Plato is right about this. State control + eugenics is objectively the best option, especially for the West.

[Anonymous No.14016193]

>>14016157
he lived in an age of slavery

[Anonymous No.14016196]

>>14016190
>>14016157
BUT WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT PLATO, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ARISTOTLE

WHY DOES EVERY DISCUSSION ABOUT ARISTOTLE TURN INTO ONE ABOUT PLATO

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON

[Anonymous No.14016198]

>>14016115
meme

[Anonymous No.14016210]

>>14016115
>Tao Te Ching
"Just be a rock, bre" the book

[Anonymous No.14016218]

>>14016196
We were talking about Plato. Nobody cared about your Aristotle fag question.

[Anonymous No.14016220]

>>14016198
>>14016210
Those shitty posts aren’t arguments. Eastern philosophy is objectively better than western philosophy.

[Anonymous No.14016227]

>>14016218
Absolutely not the case. Another individual already had replied regarding Aristotle.

There is no reason for you to be a complete dumbass flagrantly. :3

[Anonymous No.14016231]

>>14016220
Eastern philosophy can be broken down to "bow to your elders and the state" or "be a plant bro, lmao".

It's dogshit.

[Anonymous No.14016237]

>>14016220
The flawed duality in western metaphysics led to the metaphysical method of reality manipulation, aka science, so I'm inclined to say western metaphysics is not inferior to the east but a part of a greater duality between the two which will eventually be synthesized.

To be honest, if you hold any member of a duality to be above another, aka believe eastern is superior to western, you don't truly understand eastern philosophy, whose point is that dualities are maya, aka illusions, hiding from us the ultimate unity of everything.

Read harder, you're doing good

[Anonymous No.14016248]

>>14016231
No, it can’t. You clearly haven’t read any of it whatsoever, pseud.

[Anonymous No.14016256]

>>14016237
Sorry, I should’ve phrased differently. Eastern philosophy isn’t “better”, it’s more correct.

[Anonymous No.14016263]

>>14016248
Certified 100% plant.

[Anonymous No.14016264]

>>14016220
Let me illustrate.

Here we have the yin-yang, which is a duality nested inside a duality. Which is to say yin and yang are a duality, and both yin and yang are composed of yin and yang.

In western parlance:
yin and yang = yin and yang
which is to say, 1.

[Anonymous No.14016268]

>>14016263
>he can’t into yummy sunlight

[Anonymous No.14016272]

>>14016256
The west was right about this, to my mind: the Telos. The duality is an illusion, but what it fundamentally is is a unity finding itself. If a duality is seeking its unity, it has a clear goal- a Telos. The passage of time and evolution of civilization is the process of dualities unifying into greater harmonies- which translates to greater practical real world harmonies (political, cultural, economic) which translates to a greater moral harmony (universal acquisition of intrinsic goodness, eudaimonia, accross all space and time and consciousness- aka universal perfect realization of potential for all.

The greatest metaphysical lie/ mistake of our age is this: evolution is teleological, not random.