/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.14003103]

Why do English majors get a bad rep? I feel like my critical thinking skills, argumentation, work ethic from writing a bunch of papers have all skyrocketed over the past four years. I have attained a wider knowledge of a variety of different fields (philosophy, politics, ecology, psychology, anthropology, history, art, etc). I will admit a lot of my development was due to my own efforts reading and learning extra shit on my own time but being around and having discourse with academics and being around other people my age willing to learn has all been helpful to me. Take a STEMbug out of their specialization and they are all embarrassing and are obviously stagnant in their development.

[Anonymous No.14003135]

English generally requires much less work then STEM and most departments are just ideology factories at best, and activism training camps at worst.

[Anonymous No.14003141]

>>14003103
Your perspective is fair enough but you should be aware that English departments have a reputation for perpetuating feminist bullshit and other assorted cynical bad faith intersectional deconstruction BULLSHIT

[Anonymous No.14003148]

English majors are less employable because for every self directed critical thinking type there’s four lazy co eds who want a phoned in major. STEM isn’t actually that rigorous it’s just standardized and will kick you out if you don’t learn something in the intro courses. If English departments started being selective and having ruthless grading for undergrads, the prestige might increase. But they can’t because economic factors lead to their funding being cut, so they have to buoy themselves with a bunch of fucking retards. It’s pretty sad because you’re right OP that STEMfags are basically just paying for official seals of approval on their Khan Academy progress and learning how to be the special monkey on a typewriter. None of them have vision or anything important to say besides physicists and mathematicians and even then it’s a small subset

[Anonymous No.14003151]

>>14003103
When I think about an English major, I picture someone who think we should replace Milton, Shakespeare, etc and only read modern writers who only write about identity politics.

[Anonymous No.14003153]

>>14003135
>omg I had to like memorize a bunch of shit because 400 of us signed up for Orgo and the department needs a way to weed out retards who think they’re gonna be doctors with a C GPA from their public high school my life is so hard

[Anonymous No.14003164]

>>14003151
At my college, the vast majority of them were writing like YA short stories for their theses about like some Mary Xue defeating patriarchal aliens, but there was one dude who was in a cross disciplinary thesis seminar with me who was writing about Melville and was a deeply sensitive and based bro. I hope he got into a good PhD program cause it was fun as fuck to go get beers after class and hear him wax poetic about random short stories I’d never heard of and how they made Moby-Dick even more interesting. It’s a shame that his type of English major is dying so rapidly. It’s probably the one discipline where Peterson’s complaints are largely correct and not based in complete ignorance of the state of the discipline

[Anonymous No.14003175]

Who is your favorite English novelist and English poet OP?

[Anonymous No.14003203]

>>14003175
>novelist
Henry James
>poet
Emily Dickinson and Wallace Stevens

[Anonymous No.14003213]

>>14003151
nah that is a huge meme

[Anonymous No.14003379]

My ex has an English degree (masters) and now owns a very successful construction company in the Midwest. Don't fret, anon

[Anonymous No.14003423]

>>14003103
Because though English and literature most certainly are not jokes, American education has made the English major, its curriculum, and its reputation, a joke. Basically
>females get into teaching industry
>most males leave industry
>everything becomes dumbed down and feminized, especially the arts due to them appealing to emotions
>they lose any objectivity or foundation and become too emotional and subjective
>this of course, leaves it without truth and without truth leaves it a pseudoArt unable to produce any merit
>this transfers to colleges
>Being literal businesses, they take the English major, a now very appealing and subjective topic, and market it towards the untalented, stupid, too emotional, lazy students that were not fit for anything else
>the degree is so easy to obtain all you need to do is buy it
>English is now a joke degree along with pretty much all the other liberal arts

[Anonymous No.14003425]

>>14003135
I graduated in May with a BA in English. What this anon said is fairly accurate. A few of my English classes taught substantial material, particularly my technical writing classes. However, many of my literature focused classes were solely focused on Marxist/psychoanalysis/feminist indoctrination. I was considering going to grad school to continue my studies, however most of the grad programs look like pic related. I mean this school literally has a "holocaust class". It's all so fucking sad.

[Anonymous No.14003462]

I graduated in English and History, am a high school English teacher and earn 3.1k after taxes.

3 months holidays, no work in the afternoon.

I can live with the "bad rep" on 4Chan

[Anonymous No.14003468]

>>14003462
>I can live with the "bad rep" on 4Chan
You mean society right?

[Anonymous No.14003488]

>>14003468
Well, Germany is one of the countries where teachers are rather well-paid, so society is fine with me.

[Anonymous No.14003496]

>>14003488
You don't have to lie on the internet Anon, I'm quite well aware at the absolute state of teaching in Germany.

[Anonymous No.14003500]

>>14003496
I was just referring to the pay, bra ^^

[Anonymous No.14003516]

>>14003103
Because a lot of those classes can be passed with an A writing every paper while inebriated.
Though desu I did that with all my research reports, too.

[Anonymous No.14004287]

Buump

[Anonymous No.14004317]

>>14003468
I wonder what compels someone to make a post like this. You could have gone after someone more insecure to stroke your ego. Why are you so desperate to doubt someone happy with their life?

[Anonymous No.14004536]

>>14003141
Those are interesting concepts to dissect, however; an English major is a flexible enough degree, where a smaller topic or aspect of language and ideology can be explored, with each student responding to it in a significant and unique way. That is, the content rendered is dependant upon the student, not the English program itself. Take that tweet for example. It shows someone focusing their understanding of English syntax as it applies to their community of interest. That same subject can also produce a more traditional essay or thesis (not unlike Wallace’s review of a Dictionary of Modern English Usage, where he similarly states that there are unacknowledged biases within curated systems of grammar and syntax) in the hands of a different student.

TL;DR — your comment needlessly complicates something completely valid; learning about everything possible while in school is terrific, and the OP is right, in that studying English provides a lot of leeway in regards to that goal.

[Anonymous No.14004595]

>>14003203
Not the anon who asked but you have great taste.

[Anonymous No.14004627]

>>14003462
I feel like being a teacher is a underrated job. If you teach in a decent state you can make solid money and really don't have to do all that much. English is definitely the best since your students can't be tested in the same sort of way they can test your students in math. Gives you a bit more freedom

[Anonymous No.14004669]

Society appreciates college careers that offer an easier gateway into a career - scientists, technicians, engineers, data analytics (that's a new one right?), doctors, lawyers, etc etc.

Getting an English degree is a bit neblous - surely you're not going to TEACH English are you? When there are supposedly so little teaching positions and so many English degree holders. This is why you see many English and humanities folks teach themselves and eventually get into a career in coding.

I agree with you though - a background in English and the Western canon is a very nice and enriching thing to have. But so what if the STEMbug didn't study Plato in school? He is getting on just fine making widgets and paying his taxes. Forget about him.

[Anonymous No.14004682]

>>14004669
Specialists are the bane of the modern world

[Anonymous No.14004688]

>>14004682
In what sense? They're a bane to society; they're a bane to themselves (and they're leading a less fulfulling life), or something else?

I don't know if I agree or disagree with you, but I'd like to hear your thoughts.

[Anonymous No.14004761]

>>14004682
Specialists are essentially what made the modern world possible.

[Anonymous No.14004766]

>>14004688
It produces minds in a groove. Each profession makes progress, but it is progress in its own groove. Now to be mentally in a groove is 'to live in contemplating a given set of abstractions. The groove prevents straying across country, and the abstraction abstracts from something to which no further attention is paid. But there is no groove of abstractions which is adequate for the comprehension of human life. Thus in the modern world, the celibacy of the medieval learned class has been replaced by a celibacy of the intellect which is divorced from the concrete contemplation of the complete facts. Of course, no one is merely a mathematician, or merely a lawyer. People have lives outside their professions or their businesses. But the point is the restraint of serious thought within a groove. The remainder of life is treated superficially, with the imperfect categories of thought derived from one profession. The dangers arising from this aspect of professionalism are great, particularly in our democratic societies. The directive force of reason is weakened. The leading intellects lack balance. They see this set of circumstances,or that set; but not both sets together. The task of coordination is left to those who lack either the force or the character to succeed in some definite career. In short, the specialised functions of the community are performed better and more progressively, but the generalised direction lacks vision. The progressiveness in detail only adds to the danger produced by the feebleness of coordination.

[Anonymous No.14004787]

>>14004688
>>14004766
This professional training can only tooch one side of education. Its centre of gravity lies in the intellect, and its chief tool is the printed book. The centre of gravity of the other side of training should lie in intuition without an analytical divorce from the total environment. Its object is immediate apprehension with the minimum of eviscerating analysis. The type of generality, which above all is wanted, is the appreciation of variety of value. I mean an aesthetic growth. There is something between the gross specialised values of the mere practical man, and the thin specialised values of the mere scholar. Both types have missed something; and if you add together the two sets of values, you do not obtain the missing elements. What is wanted is an appreciation of the infinite variety of vivid values achieved by an organism in its proper environment. When you understand all about the sun and all about the atmosphere and all about the rotation of the earth, you may still miss the radiance of the sunset. There is no substitute for the direct perception of the concrete achievement of a thing in its actuality. We want concrete fact with a high light thrown on what is relevant to its preciousness. What I mean is art and aesthetic education. It is, however, art in such a general sense of the term that I hardly like to call it by that name. Art is a special example. What we want is to draw out habits of aesthetic apprehensIon. To do so is to increase the depth of individuality. The analysis of reality indicates the two factors, activity emerging into individualised aesthetic value. Also the emergent value is the measure of the individualisation of the activity. We must foster the creative initiative towards the main- tenance of objective values. You will not obtain the apprehension without the initiative, or the initiative without the apprehension. As soon as you get towards the · concrete, you cannot exclude action. Sensitiveness without impulse spells decadence, and impulse without sensitiveness spells brutality. I am using the word 'sensitiveness' in its most general signification, so as to include apprehension of what lies beyond oneself; that is to say, sensitiveness to all the facts of the case. Thus 'art' in the general sense which I require is any selection by which the concrete facts are so arranged as to elicit attention to particular values which are realisable by them. For example, the mere disposing of the human body and the eyesight so as to get a good view of a sunset is a simple form of artistic selection. The habit of art is the habit of enjoying vivid values.

[Anonymous No.14004841]

>>14004766
>>14004787
I'm either not smart enough to understand you, or you write too obtusely, or it's a bit of both. I'll think on your words.

[Anonymous No.14004871]

>>14003379
The average /lit/anon and frogposter has autism combined with social anxiety. Most of us would never be able to put up our own business or doing anything related to having to deal with strangers/customers, and thus prefer to get a job as something like a librarian or a programmer.
To be honest with you, I'd never felt more stressed or nervous than that one time I had a summer job at an art museum talking about Renaissance art to visitors. I love that subject, but it feels awful to have to deliever information as set down in a script along with having to keep a calm and composed image before others.

[Anonymous No.14004934]

>>14004787
>>14004787
Reading your words legitimately made me need to take a steamy dump.

[Anonymous No.14004975]

>>14004841
They are not my words but the words of the great thinker Alfred North Whitehead from the last chapter of Science and the Modern World. I recomend getting a pdf and reading the chapter to get the full context. I thought it was pretty accessible.

[Anonymous No.14005771]

>>14004766
>>14004787
>>14004975
Not a bad point to make... but it probably didn’t need such an extensive quote.

[Anonymous No.14005901]

>>14005771
Probably but he had a great way of saying it

[Anonymous No.14006065]

>>14003148
>and even then it's a small subset
Math student here and can confirm. Most of the kids in my classes are either cs/mcs students or math majors that want to do computer science but want to feel just a little bit smarter than the normal code monkeys. I haven't met a single person this far that is actually interested in mathematical research at the grad/postdoc level.

[Anonymous No.14006237]

>>14003103
Because America is circling the drain so all the field slaves need to make fun of all the house slaves who are making fun of the body slaves and on and on.

[Anonymous No.14006300]

>>14003425
>Irish Lit
>British Lit
>Early Modern
>Renaissance
>Romanticism
>Shakespeare
>Novel
>Vic Novel
>The entire top left corner
I see what you mean, but a lot of that still looks really fun to me.

[Anonymous No.14006627]

>>14003135
And yet nobody wants to talk about data and engineering over a drink

[Anonymous No.14006650]

>>14006300
I agree. The problem is that when you sign up for a class on Shakespeare you're not going to learn about him from a professor who is well versed in Shakespeare and literary criticism, you're going to learn about him from some rabid SJW ideologue who will superimpose Marxist/femenist shit all over Shakespeare because that's the "woke" and "critical theory" thing to do. If you have a genuine interest in British Lit, Romanticist Lit, or any of those other topics, you're better off reading them independently. Fuck the American education system.

[Anonymous No.14006701]

>>14006650
it's a real damn shame. i studied in the middle east, and took shakespeare as a subject for a summer semester. she was one of, if not, the best professor i ever had in my life. she made us feel bad for skimming over the text instead of reading, so i put in some effort and doubled it, and in return i became a better thinker, a better orator, and a better human being. she left us for a better offer later on, but that was the day our small university died.

[Anonymous No.14006710]

>>14006627
At least engineers can afford a drink

[Anonymous No.14006754]

>>14004766
It's very debatable whether what you describe is not as old as writing. The degree of specialization has increase, but Antiquity was already defined by people dedicating themselves to careers. Sure, those careers where less numerous, less narrowly defined, and so embraced a comparatively greater span of their society. Still most of the important people only ever dealt with two or three kinds of tasks.

[Anonymous No.14006763]

>>14006065
How long have you studied in uni so far? In my experience, starting from last year of bachelor/first year of master you start meeting pretty interesting and research-focused characters.

[Anonymous No.14006783]

>>14006627
You'd be surprised.
At the bottom of it the general problems of dealing with data are epistemological in nature.

[Anonymous No.14006795]

>>14003103
>Why do English majors get a bad rep? I feel like my critical thinking skills, argumentation, work ethic
Because so many of them are known to call upon these things by name only. If you hear someone use the phrase "ad hominem" you can be almost 100% fucking sure it's an english major, who otherwise lacks an argument. I think a smart, responsible person can do well on a good college's english curriculum, but undergrads are not smart, responsible people most the time. Take the skill levels of your average writing workshop and it's not a bell curve; it's a fucking heartrate monitor with a couple beeps.

>Take a STEMbug out of their specialization and they are all embarrassing and are obviously stagnant in their development.
And I'd rather their weaknesses were obvious than obscure.

[Anonymous No.14006807]

>>14003425
I'm in my last semester of a BA in english and none of my classes have read anything that I would consider leftist.

I think most people think English = Communications. Because all of the Communications I've taken have had a lot more leftist readings than anything I've read in English classes

[Anonymous No.14006808]

>>14006754
professionalosm really is a modern phenomenon

[Anonymous No.14006841]

>>14003141
'White' English excludes more whites than not given the demographics of the lowerclass population of Englishspeaking countries and the traditional sociolects they speak in that are unallowed.

[Anonymous No.14006928]

>>14006627
Scientists and engineers 100% do

[Anonymous No.14008125]

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[Anonymous No.14008294]

>>14006627
Only talking about your job is an unattractive feature regardless of what it is.

[Anonymous No.14008471]

>>14006650
You went to a shit school, anon. My Shakespeare prof was a scholar who focused on his work, and any friends I’ve made who went to other schools had similar profs with such specializations.

[Anonymous No.14008598]

>>14003141
grammar is descriptive, not prescriptive. you don't "have" to speak "white", but if you speak nigger no one will undertand you except other dumb niggers

[Anonymous No.14009291]

You can read most of philosophies essentials and come out with a reasonable understanding of most major traditions within a decade, that's simply impossible with English, to even begin specializing in a single author requires you to study hundreds upon hundreds of other authors.

[Anonymous No.14009324]

>>14003425
You do realize a graduate program is, by definition, about you producing novel insights about some body of work, and that implies you reading a lot of some particular body of work, right?

Pic related is on point because they've done you the service of creating about 50 sample bodies of work here among which you could convincingly do interesting research. I'd take pride in attending a school with an effective program.

A holocaust literature review isn't sad, it's a good place to explore a number of what I'd think could be pretty interesting analyses about people and circumstances surrounding the Holocaust:
>Revenge vs. forgiveness responses to genocide, and the extent to which violence towards populations and particulars of the authors life circumstances inspire one or the other
>Mechanisms of coping with mass death, and relating the Holocaust to other genocides to see if the literature is comparable with, say, the Khmer Rouge, the gulags, and other internment/death camps, and in what ways
>Finding authors who wrote prior to the holocaust, and after it, and using linguistic and semantic analysis to determine how it affected their work 5, 10, and 40 years later.
>Exploring the theological responses to the holocaust for each major religion, focusing on how it, and WW2 at large, has affected traditional theodicy arguments.
>The relationship of holocaust victims to one another as type of identity formation, and the extent to which this crosses religious lines (did,e g, Jewish H victims, Christian H victims, and LGBT H victims form bonds afterward that were not traditional because of their mutual traumatic experience? In what ways?

The honest truth is you won't start seeing the REALLY interesting patterns that are bigger than the books themselves till you've read a fuckton of one of those bodies of work

[Anonymous No.14009351]

>>14009291
STEMbugs can't get into philosophy.

[Anonymous No.14009354]

>>14009324
>about you producing novel insights about some body of work
>novel
That isn't exactly true, a graduate program is, by definition, about you pushing the envelope, contributing an original thought to the field, it can be entirely orthodox or even ass backwards.

[Anonymous No.14010023]

>>14003141
>that tweet

[Anonymous No.14010109]

>>14009324
You do realize the Holocaust didn't happen, right?

[Anonymous No.14010124]

>>14008471
Yeah my shitty mid western college had a laughably bad English department. Are you European by any chance? I've heard literature studies at the university level over there are better.

[Anonymous No.14010130]

>>14010109
Even if you incorrectly believe this, literary analysis of fiction is half the fun of being an English major.

[Anonymous No.14010132]

>>14010124
Stop believing the Europhilic shit you read on the Internet.

[Anonymous No.14010141]

>>14010130
I agree that literary analysis is fun and intellectually stimulating. But do you know what's not fun or intellectually stimulating? Taking a class about a fake "historical event" and having a SJW professor use it as an excuse to shit on white males for a semester. Which is the exactly what you'll be getting if you take a holohoax class.

[Anonymous No.14010210]

>>14010141
In case you legitimately believe this, pretty basic lit review seems pretty clear that it wasn't fake. A good quote from Himmler back in 1943 that to me is basically undismissable:

>In the infamous Posen speeches of October 1943 such as the one on October 4, Himmler explicitly referred to the extermination of the Jews of Europe and further stated that the genocide must be permanently kept secret:

>I also want to refer here very frankly to a very difficult matter. We can now very openly talk about this among ourselves, and yet we will never discuss this publicly. Just as we did not hesitate on June 30, 1934, to perform our duty as ordered and put comrades who had failed up against the wall and execute them, we also never spoke about it, nor will we ever speak about it. Let us thank God that we had within us enough self-evident fortitude never to discuss it among us, and we never talked about it. Every one of us was horrified, and yet every one clearly understood that we would do it next time, when the order is given and when it becomes necessary.

>I am now referring to the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people. It's one of those things that is easily said: 'The Jewish people are being exterminated', says every party member, 'this is very obvious, it's in our program, elimination of the Jews, extermination, we're doing it, hah, a small matter.' And then they turn up, the upstanding 80 million Germans, and each one has his decent Jew. They say the others are all swines, but this particular one is a splendid Jew. But none has observed it, endured it. Most of you here know what it means when 100 corpses lie next to each other, when there are 500 or when there are 1,000. To have endured this and at the same time to have remained a decent person — with exceptions due to human weaknesses — has made us tough, and is a glorious chapter that has not and will not be spoken of. Because we know how difficult it would be for us if we still had Jews as secret saboteurs, agitators and rabble-rousers in every city, what with the bombings, with the burden and with the hardships of the war. If the Jews were still part of the German nation, we would most likely arrive now at the state we were at in 1916 and 17 [...]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Holocaust_denial#Order_and_responsibility

[Anonymous No.14011341]

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[Anonymous No.14011442]

Because it's pointless. Literally paying thousands of dollars to be assigned a book to read. The only place art has in universities is to be taught how to create, not "analyzed". I have much more respect for creative writing majors because they are actually learning something, same with art history majors vs actual art degrees where skills and fundamentals are taught. If you want to study the humanities learn something that actually has a use in a classroom setting like history or philosophy. Imagine standardizing artistic interpretations, it's pathetic. Even worse when people go farther and dedicate years of their life writing about someone else's literature, I would kill myself if I ended up in that position. English majors are genetic consumers who will die saying nothing. I honestly believe if this degree was eliminated the prestige hit the humanities has taken in the past few years would rejuvenate

[Anonymous No.14011574]

>>14010124
No, I went to a good college in the US. Stop buying memes with your screencoin

[Anonymous No.14011585]

>>14010109
Yawn

[Anonymous No.14012843]

>>14010109
The way as we know it, it actually didn't.

The first jewish claim of it being 15 million jews klilled in the Shoah was absolutely correct. But the systematic opression of preuto-germanic interests in western civilization made the allied nations haggle the number down to only 6 million, so Germany, their hidden ally, wouldn't have to pay too many reparations.

[Anonymous No.14012864]

Why is every thread about degrees populated by idiots who are convinced that all academia is populated entirely by some mad feminist-Marxist gynocracy? If you’re not retarded, if you actually go to a good university, then you’ll know that the post-colonial feminist stuff always takes a backseat and is something that exists mainly for specialisation in Honours years, rather than a mandatory section of every course. I’ve been a Literature student for 3 years now, and I’ve not attended a single lecture on feminism or post-colonialism (they are run, but you can choose to not go to them, and most of the time they run them at the end of the semester when most people are prepping for exams anyway, so attendance is awful). Is this an American thing?

[Anonymous No.14012877]

>>14009324
Cultural literature that is not seriously worth studying. The Ivy League has perfected the curriculum and they study the entire canon of Western Civilization. There must therefore be a reason why the Ivies are taken more seriously then no-name schools.

[Anonymous No.14012886]

>>14012864
My English teacher isn't even having me read any books and this is community college. He's having me watch movies about why Republicans are evil and why he went Vegan because he doesn't like Monsanto. And here I thought liberalism means to be progressive.

[Anonymous No.14012892]

>>14012886
See, you could absolutely be joking, but I have no way of knowing

[Anonymous No.14012894]

>>14003103
>Why do English majors get a bad rep?
Lots of them (us, I graduated with an English BA some years ago) are clueless, not serious about their lives yet willing to spend thousands of dollars a year on higher education because going to university is the thing to do. It's a soft major; soft majors attract people who are soft in the head. If you can write a decent paper you can pretty much BS your way to good grades in all your classes. The theory you learn for literary analysis is largely meaningless.

The 'hard' majors for literary types are classics and foreign languages. You're supposed to study the Anglo canon on your own. I mean fuck who needs some professor to tell them about a Dickens novel? At least for my degree I concentrated on Renaissance and Medieval stuff, material that's relatively inaccessible, but even then, if you get a good edition of a Shakespeare play it practically reads itself with all the scholarly annotations.

[Anonymous No.14012902]

>>14012886
The subjective definition of progress depends entirely on your own opinion regarding the moral values of society and where it should be heading.


Bigot.

[Anonymous No.14012912]

>>14012892
I live in Arizona. The education really is bad as they say.

[Anonymous No.14012951]

>>14003103
>I have attained a wider knowledge of a variety of different fields (philosophy, politics, ecology, psychology, anthropology, history, art, etc)
But English majors usually view these topic through a strictly aesthetic lense, which is why most experts on these topics consider you pseuds. When you say you know a thing or two about psychology, for instance, you probably mean surface knowledge about psychoanalysis or William James. Maybe you specifically are not like this, but many people in your major are.

[Anonymous No.14013056]

Because you can't do anything, anon.

I own and run a small firm that does HR consulting. I will pay you money if you can
1. be given a shitty description of something that a company considers a problem and a vague aspirational end state they would like to achieve
2. go to that company and ask the right questions quickly and manage the process such that you get useful answers
3. come back and look at the answers using statistical analysis and your brain to discern what the real problem is, what's causing it, and how to fix it
4. go back to the company and sell your solution AND explain why they can't just attempt to implement it themselves but actually do need to keep paying us if they don't want to fuck it up
5. manage the implementation of the solution
6. have it all actually fucking work so that I get paid at the end (you get paid no matter what because you're my employee and I pay you, but if you fuck it up and the company doesn't want to pay its bills because your shitty ideas didn't work, that comes out of my bottom line faggot)
7. actually critically analyse your own work so that you improve
8. while doing all of that, do the same thing to my company and come to me with useful suggestions on how i can make more money

I'm not saying that any of that is particularly hard. You don't need to be a genius and my employees aren't (I only have a handful). It's downright easy - once you know how. I'm also not trying to say how great I am - I don't make phat stacks, I'm barely middle class (all my wealth is in the business and it could fall over any time). HR isn't a glamorous field anyway, there are better things to lie about.

The point is that this is how my business works, and you're not part of it because you can't do any of it.

So I'm not going to pay you any money.

[Anonymous No.14013087]

>>14013056
what qualifications do your employees have?

[Anonymous No.14013103]

>>14013087
The least qualified is undertaking a bachelor's in Business Management majoring in HR, the most qualified (partner, not employee) has a Masters and some certs.

The other guys are in between, and we have a part-time stats nerd to help out with business data analysis.

[Anonymous No.14013347]

>>14006627
Have you ever actually met an engineer? I’ve talked for hours about 3D printers with a friend of mine

[Anonymous No.14013526]

>>14013347
sounds boring. guess that's why only the two of you wanted to hear about it.

[Anonymous No.14013546]

>>14013056
>The point is that this is how my business works, and you're not part of it because you can't do any of it.
or anon isn't apart of it because it's a jib joint with 5 suckers and a photocopier sat in a retail park.

[Anonymous No.14013567]

>>14003103

[Anonymous No.14013576]

>>14013056
Sounds legit.

[Anonymous No.14013854]

>>14013056
HR guys are parasites

[Anonymous No.14013862]

>>14013056
>w-wagecucking is so hard you definitely can't do it haha

[Anonymous No.14015283]

>>14004871
sounds like a fun job if you can be confident and not drop your spaghetti

i'd rather do that than clean up homeless people poopies in the library